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Gov. Jennifer M. Granholm: Fired up! Climate Change Gridlock Needs to Be Replaced With Action

There are 5 comments on the The Huffington Post story from Apr 21, 2012, titled Gov. Jennifer M. Granholm: Fired up! Climate Change Gridlock Needs to Be Replaced With Action. In it, The Huffington Post reports that:

What are we going to do about climate change? Across the political spectrum people want clean energy jobs.

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Mr_Ed

United States

#1 Apr 21, 2012
There is no need to be concerned about global warming.
The present global warming started approximately 25 thousand years ago and is about to end as a new ice-age begins.
http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precautionar...
The “Vostok Ice Core Data” indicates that long before the industrial age, temperature change caused an 800 year delayed change in the atmospheric CO2 level and that was misinterpreted to be the cause of the temperature change. It was not.
According to the Vostok data the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere is 380 ppm = 0.038%= 0.00038 and is a very small proportion. The difference between natural and man made CO2 is less than 0.008%= 0.00008 and probably has as much influence on the earths temperature as its magnitude suggests.
If the periodic temperature cycling is as consistent today as it has been for the last 450 thousand years in the Vostok data, an ice-age is due to start soon and it has nothing to do with human activity or the 0.038% of CO2 in the atmosphere.
Now you can be alarmed about the new ice-age instead.
Ed
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BrianR

Toronto, Canada

#2 Apr 23, 2012
Mr_Ed wrote:
There is no need to be concerned about global warming.
The present global warming started approximately 25 thousand years ago and is about to end as a new ice-age begins.
http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precautionar...
The “Vostok Ice Core Data” indicates that long before the industrial age, temperature change caused an 800 year delayed change in the atmospheric CO2 level and that was misinterpreted to be the cause of the temperature change. It was not.
According to the Vostok data the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere is 380 ppm = 0.038%= 0.00038 and is a very small proportion. The difference between natural and man made CO2 is less than 0.008%= 0.00008 and probably has as much influence on the earths temperature as its magnitude suggests.
If the periodic temperature cycling is as consistent today as it has been for the last 450 thousand years in the Vostok data, an ice-age is due to start soon and it has nothing to do with human activity or the 0.038% of CO2 in the atmosphere.
Now you can be alarmed about the new ice-age instead.
Ed
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From the graph "Data 1" in your link, it looks like the temperature isn't affected by C02 concentrations because of the large spike in CO2 without a corresponding reaction in temperature in the ice core extractions. This spike in the CO2 level is from the increased use of fossil fuels over the past 150 years during the industrial revolution; therefore, human activity has caused a very noticeable increase in C02. This spike is way bigger than any other part of the graph over the past 420,000 years.

The article states that the reason why the temperature hasn't reacted correspondingly during this "spike" in this graph is probably because of the oceans acting as a heat sink which delays the increase in atmospheric temperatures. They also say, "there are recent indications that the oceans are now warming, which will reduce their ability to act as a heat sink" so, we do need to be concerned about human influence in climate change.

Another important point from the next page is that these ice core samples were take from Antarctica which is in the southern hemisphere. The article points out that the southern hemisphere is less affected by global temperatures than the northern hemisphere which makes these core samples even less reliable: "It seems the northern hemisphere is affected more by global temperature changes than the southern hemisphere."

Even stronger evidence of human activity influencing climate change occurs on the next page. If you look at the graphs on this page http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precautionar... , you'll see that there is a correlation between C02 and other greenhouse gases, and the Earth's climate. These graphs are more accurate because they are taken from air measurements and not from ice cores: "After 1958, the data are from annual air measurements, not ice core proxies, and are therefore of higher quality." The graphs show that the exponential increase in CO2 from fossil fuels during the past 150 years during the industrial revolution is highly correlated to temperature increases.

It's clear in these articles that the writer believes that human activity does affect climate change and that we should be concerned: "As Wallace Broecker likes to say, the Earth's climate system is "an angry beast" and one that we should not be poking with sticks, which of course is exactly what we are doing with all our carbon dioxide and other GTG (greenhouse trace gas) emissions."
paul shykora arts

Calgary, Canada

#3 Apr 23, 2012
..NOT SURE,here...eh.....neutral..(n )...
Mr_Ed

San Leandro, CA

#4 Apr 24, 2012
BrianR,

Yes. I disagree with the author. I accept the graph as accurate. You are correct about the last 150 years. But look at the magnitude of CO2. This is my point. Am I wrong about the CO2 level indicated on the graph or the indicated difference in the CO2 spike? No.(total CO2 in atmosphere = 0.00038, Man made CO2 = 0.00008) Look at the graph. Do you think this tiny amount of CO2 has the claimed affects? Think!

You can mix up the issue by discussing other gasses but I was talking about CO2 and CO2 regulations only.

I have only seen Vostok ice core data of this type for CO2. I haven’t seen similar data for methane and until I do, I have no comment on methane.

If the hockey stick was wrong, it must be the ocean. If the CO2 doesn’t work mix it up with methane. If someone has a different opinion, they must be condemned. Don’t you see a pattern here?

Ed
Mr_Ed

Hayward, CA

#5 Jun 16, 2012
Update
Fossil fuel is a renewable resource.“Thermal Depolymerization”, developed in the USA, turns almost any organic based refuse (plastic, rubber, lawn clippings, meat processing waste, etc.) into water, minerals and high quality fossil fuel. It mimics the earth’s natural process in an accelerated time.“Thermal Depolymerization” pilot plants have been profitably running in the USA for over eight years.

YouTube –“Thermal Depolymerization”

CO2 is not the global warming culprit that we were led to believe. The below theories provide more accurate climate predictions than the IPCC claims and are significantly independent of atmospheric CO2 concentrations. The periodic nature of the VOSTOK ice core graph also supports these theories. These theories also predict planetary cooling in the near future.

Dr Habibullo I. Abdussamatov - "Total Solar Irradiance"
Piers Corbyn - "The Solar Weather Technique"
YouTube –“The great global warming swindle”

The only argument in favor of the IPCC theories then becomes the claimed list of prestigious supporters. Nicolaus Copernicus was encouraged by the Spanish Inquisition to publicly denounce his beliefs and agree with a conflicting theory that also had a large list of prestigious scientific supporters. A large supportive list usually indicates a lack of supporting evidence.

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