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Vassar Clements
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My 2 cents wrote: IYOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT ANYTHING YOU SAY CAN AND WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU IN THE COURT OF LAW!!! He was also told at that same time YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO AN ATTORNEY IF YOU CANNOT AFFORD ONE, ONE WILL BE PROVIDED FOR YOU... and from the way the Bennington Banner is making it sound, it sounds like he just simply stated he didnt want to speak to the police. But there is nothing that states police cannot re-initiate questioning, it was his responsibility to keep his own mouth shut if he did not want to say anything against himself. The police in this case were simply doing there job and it would be completely wrong if his confession was thrown out because one or both of his lawyers is a smooth talker. You have no idea what you're talking about, do you? But, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. What are the rules surrounding the obligation of the police once a suspect has invoked his right to remain silent? Ok, let's both admit that you don't know what the standard is. So, let me tell you. Once a suspect invokes his right to remain silent, the police may not do anything that is designed to elicit an incriminating response. Now, after some time passes, they may try again (as opposed to circumstances where the defendant invokes his right to an attorney). In this case, however, it appears that they continued to speak with the defendant immediately after he invoked his rights to remain silent. The real issue is whether they did or said anything that was designed to elicit an incriminating response from the defendant once he invoked his right to remain silent. Now, discuss.
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Legal 1
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Put him in a cockroach infested prison cell for the rest of his pathetic life! Oh, and don't forget the roomate-a 230 lb. muscle man named bubba!
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heynow
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Haven't the Miranda Rights been around long enough that people should know without being told that they have the right to remain silent. Especially if you been arrested before. Its a shame how many losers there are out there. Child molestors are the lowest of the low.
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heynow
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Legal 1 wrote: Put him in a cockroach infested prison cell for the rest of his pathetic life! Oh, and don't forget the roomate-a 230 lb. muscle man named bubba! Unfortunately they may enjoy it too much
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heynow
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Vassar Clements wrote: <quoted text>
You have no idea what you're talking about, do you? But, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. What are the rules surrounding the obligation of the police once a suspect has invoked his right to remain silent?
Ok, let's both admit that you don't know what the standard is. So, let me tell you. Once a suspect invokes his right to remain silent, the police may not do anything that is designed to elicit an incriminating response.
Now, after some time passes, they may try again (as opposed to circumstances where the defendant invokes his right to an attorney). In this case, however, it appears that they continued to speak with the defendant immediately after he invoked his rights to remain silent.
The real issue is whether they did or said anything that was designed to elicit an incriminating response from the defendant once he invoked his right to remain silent.
Now, discuss. If a suspect origianlly says he does not want to talk to the police it does not mean that all further questioning is illegal. They can re-interview him and at that second time he should be read his right again, and would have to sign indicating he does not want a lawyer present and has changed his mind about speaking to police.
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I think if Mr. Wilkins was molesting his own children, as far as I am concerned, he wasnt any better than mr. christmas. Also, if there were other adults within this family who knew of this behavior, perhaps they should undergo a psych eval. It sounds like they all have issues. A normal human being doesnt go around touching children or allows it to happen. If you are well at all, you make sure that you talk to someone to investigate what your thinking might be happening. And, lets keep writing our legislators for Jessica's law. We the people of Vermont, need to start giving ourselves a leg to stand on to help our children grow and to live successful lives without being in fear of those not well people around them.
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Vassar Clements
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heynow wrote: <quoted text>
If a suspect origianlly says he does not want to talk to the police it does not mean that all further questioning is illegal. They can re-interview him and at that second time he should be read his right again, and would have to sign indicating he does not want a lawyer present and has changed his mind about speaking to police. Yeah, I said that.
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Legal 1
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heynow wrote: <quoted text>
Unfortunately they may enjoy it too much True
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jasmine
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spongebob wrote: <quoted text>
how do we start this petition? where is the website? Here is the email the flower farmer left for contacting him on starting and helping with the petition for Jessicas law in Vermont 1 of 8 states left in the Union not having the law in effect. Vermont is 1 that seriously needs this law to be passed and put to practice ASAP! Jessicas-Law-VT@hughes.net
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heynow
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Vassar Clements wrote: <quoted text>
Yeah, I said that. Actually you asked a question above, on what are the obligations of police, I was simply answering it for you.
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jasmine
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flower farmer wrote: <quoted text>
There has been a change in petition wording, and we are currently waiting for the revised wording which Lt. Gov. Brian Dubie is working on. Stay tune for further news,,,shortly I hope ! I hope to get people to help man tables at Price Chopper and WAL_MART in Bennington for a day or two. Help is needed!!
It might be great to have tables when it is "Back to School" shopping time in late August ! Get your school supplies here; sign up !! Excellant idea "Back to school" shopping with the kids, maybe we can get some pamphlets to hand out to the kids raising their awareness as well!I am signing up to woman a table..LOL
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jasmine
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vermont native wrote: I think if Mr. Wilkins was molesting his own children, as far as I am concerned, he wasnt any better than mr. christmas. Also, if there were other adults within this family who knew of this behavior, perhaps they should undergo a psych eval. It sounds like they all have issues. A normal human being doesnt go around touching children or allows it to happen. If you are well at all, you make sure that you talk to someone to investigate what your thinking might be happening. And, lets keep writing our legislators for Jessica's law. We the people of Vermont, need to start giving ourselves a leg to stand on to help our children grow and to live successful lives without being in fear of those not well people around them. I was just curious is This what the shooting was about in the 1st place? Molestation or allegations of such within this family? I pray the victim/victims were not the same chiild or children being harmed by both of these guys. what a chilling thought!
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Vassar Clements
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heynow wrote: <quoted text>
Actually you asked a question above, on what are the obligations of police, I was simply answering it for you. You didn't read my entire post.
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heynow
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Vassar Clements wrote: <quoted text>
You didn't read my entire post. I did. You explained what heppens if a suspect does not want to speak to the police and the police continue to ask him questions after he wanted to remain silent. My point was what happens when the suspect changes their mind after orignally saying they want to keep silent. Those are two different scenarios.
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Frustrated
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vermont native wrote: I think if Mr. Wilkins was molesting his own children, as far as I am concerned, he wasnt any better than mr. christmas. Also, if there were other adults within this family who knew of this behavior, perhaps they should undergo a psych eval. It sounds like they all have issues. A normal human being doesnt go around touching children or allows it to happen. If you are well at all, you make sure that you talk to someone to investigate what your thinking might be happening. And, lets keep writing our legislators for Jessica's law. We the people of Vermont, need to start giving ourselves a leg to stand on to help our children grow and to live successful lives without being in fear of those not well people around them. Personally, I think that there are not very many of you educated enough with this situation to even have the right to an opinion! This has been an extremely difficult year for MANY MANY people!!! Both families have dragged through a whirlwind of emotion, heartache, loss and suffering! these constant blogs from countless people who think they know the whole situation in its entirety, are completely and utterly wrong!!!! In response to your comment about everyone needing to get their heads examined, What the hell do you know? I'm sure anyone in either one of these families would be happy to pass their shoes off to anyone to walk in them for a while!!! Don't think u would want to ! Please stop this!!! Enough is enough! Nobody is to blame here except for Michael Christmas! Let all these children and two families try to return to a life as close to normal as they can!
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Family friend
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Frustrated wrote: <quoted text> Personally, I think that there are not very many of you educated enough with this situation to even have the right to an opinion! This has been an extremely difficult year for MANY MANY people!!! Both families have dragged through a whirlwind of emotion, heartache, loss and suffering! these constant blogs from countless people who think they know the whole situation in its entirety, are completely and utterly wrong!!!! In response to your comment about everyone needing to get their heads examined, What the hell do you know? I'm sure anyone in either one of these families would be happy to pass their shoes off to anyone to walk in them for a while!!! Don't think u would want to ! Please stop this!!! Enough is enough! Nobody is to blame here except for Michael Christmas! Let all these children and two families try to return to a life as close to normal as they can! I agree w/ you 100%
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Vassar Clements
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heynow wrote: <quoted text>
I did. You explained what heppens if a suspect does not want to speak to the police and the police continue to ask him questions after he wanted to remain silent. My point was what happens when the suspect changes their mind after orignally saying they want to keep silent. Those are two different scenarios. Reread it. Actually, it appears that you're unwilling to read beyond the first two paragraphs, so here's what I said: "Now, after some time passes, they may try again (as opposed to circumstances where the defendant invokes his right to an attorney)."
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Real Vermonter
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Hang em already!
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i miss you ron
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ron i love and miss you so much. for those short 3 years i knew you, you were like my second father. you were such an amazing person. i love you so much and miss you so much. rest in peace<3
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