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#248
Nov 11, 2009
 
No, I wasn't trying to insult you. And I agree; I am "one of those people." Just a different kind. I was simply saying to some one else that it does no good to try to talk to a person with your very stubborn views on god(s) and Christianity because your invisible god is more important to you than any actual human relationship you might develop. Which is the way your god supposedly wants it. So again, I wasn't insulting you. Just pointing out the obvious.
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Nov 11, 2009
 
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No, I wasn't trying to insult you. And I agree; I am "one of those people." Just a different kind. I was simply saying to some one else that it does no good to try to talk to a person with your very stubborn views on god(s) and Christianity because your invisible god is more important to you than any actual human relationship you might develop. Which is the way your god supposedly wants it. So again, I wasn't insulting you. Just pointing out the obvious.
My God is not invisible. I see him each morning when I open my eyes, I hear him when the birds sing, and I felt him when I have lost a loved one and felt I could not go on.
I don’t think I am stubborn in my faith, just very sure. I come from a very large family, most of whom do not believe in anything. I can see the destruction that goes on in their lives on a daily basis. I don’t try to force my religion on them, but they know where I stand and respect me for it and you can bet when something tragic happens the One I know as my Savior is the One they call on.
My spiritual relationship does not take away from any human relationships I have. This only enhances them, which IS what my God wants. My spiritual relationship has helped me to become closer to people I normally would not have. I have learned to be stronger in moments of weakness so I may help others; I have learned to become a much more generous person with my time and my energy. I find I am not as selfish as I use to be. We are all created equal and I am not any better than the next person. I am just your average female, married, two children and lots of dogs. I work at a job making decent money, and I don’t have anything more than the next person. I have been at the edge and had nothing to hold onto except for the fact that Jesus Christ was walking right along beside me the entire way.
My God is a very loving and generous God who wants us to share our knowledge of Him with others. He is in no way invisible. He paints the sky with the rainbows, He warms the earth with the sun, He gives us people in our lives to love us; these are just a few. He is good and kind, but He is also just. I’m really not sure what the obvious would be that you are stating .
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You people are all ridiculous. Get over it. Nobody is telling you what to think. There are other religions and other opinions in this world, and there is nothing that says Christianity is the right one except you crazy people. So, what you're saying is you don't care if you offend other people? It seems like the spirit of Christianity is not found in any of you people who force religion down the throats of people who don't agree with you. There are a million different things to believe, not one. And don't use this "you can't take the Christ out of Christmas" bull crap. New flash- Christ has been gone from Christmas for a long time. Now all we care about is Santa, and gifts, and what we want and taking back what we got that we didn't want. Saying Happy Holidays is just taking into account those who may not be Christian and celebrate other holidays around the same time: Channukah, Kwanzaa, or Christmas. There is no national religion for a reason. Before you start arguing that saying happy holidays goes against your religion and is taking the Christ out of Christmas, think about how many times this holiday season (yes, we say holiday season!) you think about buying, getting, giving, shopping, pleasing, decorating, making lists, Santa, the North Pole and how many times you think about Jesus. Blame the materialization of Christmas when you want to blame someone for taking the Christ out of Christmas. You do it yourself every holiday season.
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#251
Nov 11, 2009
 
Jessie M wrote:
You people are all ridiculous. Get over it. Nobody is telling you what to think. There are other religions and other opinions in this world, and there is nothing that says Christianity is the right one except you crazy people. So, what you're saying is you don't care if you offend other people? It seems like the spirit of Christianity is not found in any of you people who force religion down the throats of people who don't agree with you. There are a million different things to believe, not one. And don't use this "you can't take the Christ out of Christmas" bull crap. New flash- Christ has been gone from Christmas for a long time. Now all we care about is Santa, and gifts, and what we want and taking back what we got that we didn't want. Saying Happy Holidays is just taking into account those who may not be Christian and celebrate other holidays around the same time: Channukah, Kwanzaa, or Christmas. There is no national religion for a reason. Before you start arguing that saying happy holidays goes against your religion and is taking the Christ out of Christmas, think about how many times this holiday season (yes, we say holiday season!) you think about buying, getting, giving, shopping, pleasing, decorating, making lists, Santa, the North Pole and how many times you think about Jesus. Blame the materialization of Christmas when you want to blame someone for taking the Christ out of Christmas. You do it yourself every holiday season.
News Flash - CHRISTIANS are NOT the only ones that say Merry Christmas. You may have taken Christ out of your Christmas, but He is in mine. In fact, He is with me all twelve months out of the year. When people get caught up in material things that is usually a sign as to what is more important in their lives. I can celebrate the birth of Christ and give, because that is what was done for us.
Somebody is going to get "coal" in their stocking this year!!!!

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#252
Nov 11, 2009
 
You Funny wrote:
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My God is not invisible. I see him each morning when I open my eyes, I hear him when the birds sing, and I felt him when I have lost a loved one and felt I could not go on.
I don&#8217;t think I am stubborn in my faith, just very sure. I come from a very large family, most of whom do not believe in anything. I can see the destruction that goes on in their lives on a daily basis. I don&#8217;t try to force my religion on them, but they know where I stand and respect me for it and you can bet when something tragic happens the One I know as my Savior is the One they call on.
My spiritual relationship does not take away from any human relationships I have. This only enhances them, which IS what my God wants. My spiritual relationship has helped me to become closer to people I normally would not have. I have learned to be stronger in moments of weakness so I may help others; I have learned to become a much more generous person with my time and my energy. I find I am not as selfish as I use to be. We are all created equal and I am not any better than the next person. I am just your average female, married, two children and lots of dogs. I work at a job making decent money, and I don&#8217;t have anything more than the next person. I have been at the edge and had nothing to hold onto except for the fact that Jesus Christ was walking right along beside me the entire way.
My God is a very loving and generous God who wants us to share our knowledge of Him with others. He is in no way invisible. He paints the sky with the rainbows, He warms the earth with the sun, He gives us people in our lives to love us; these are just a few. He is good and kind, but He is also just. I&#8217;m really not sure what the obvious would be that you are stating .
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Thank you, for making my point for me.
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Nov 11, 2009
 
What is "coal" code for?

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You people are all ridiculous. Get over it. Nobody is telling you what to think. There are other religions and other opinions in this world, and there is nothing that says Christianity is the right one except you crazy people. So, what you're saying is you don't care if you offend other people? It seems like the spirit of Christianity is not found in any of you people who force religion down the throats of people who don't agree with you. There are a million different things to believe, not one. And don't use this "you can't take the Christ out of Christmas" bull crap. New flash- Christ has been gone from Christmas for a long time. Now all we care about is Santa, and gifts, and what we want and taking back what we got that we didn't want. Saying Happy Holidays is just taking into account those who may not be Christian and celebrate other holidays around the same time: Channukah, Kwanzaa, or Christmas. There is no national religion for a reason. Before you start arguing that saying happy holidays goes against your religion and is taking the Christ out of Christmas, think about how many times this holiday season (yes, we say holiday season!) you think about buying, getting, giving, shopping, pleasing, decorating, making lists, Santa, the North Pole and how many times you think about Jesus. Blame the materialization of Christmas when you want to blame someone for taking the Christ out of Christmas. You do it yourself every holiday season.
Merry christmas.
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Nov 11, 2009
 
ariadiscordia wrote:
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Thank you, for making my point for me.
When we have our hearts and our ears closed we don't receive the correct message. Get someone other than myself to share the good news with you.

If you think your point was made you are sadly mistaken.

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Nov 11, 2009
 
Merry Christmas wrote:
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There are more people who celebrate the birth of Christ then all other religions combined. If you want to say happy holidays that's fine it's a free country. But don't tell me I have to say happy holidays and not Merry Christmas. If you don't like it don't reply when some one says Merry Christmas.
You may desire to recheck your facts.

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adheren...

Honestly, only a third of the world is Christian...meaning twice as many people do NOT in fact celebrate the birth of Christ.

While I don't typically condone wikipedia as a valid source of information, it does however, in this article, elaborate on it's sources as well...showing that even the Christmas tree was a "borrowed" holiday festivity from Pagans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_tree

It's a shame that we don't celebrate Christ's birth in the right season, but as someone mentioned, it was easier to talk pagans into converting if Christianity shared all their holidays. Let's not forget the birth of the half-god Horrace, born unto the virgin Isis, on December 25th. Is there anything original about Christianity?
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"Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men".
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Nov 12, 2009
 
Logical Thought wrote:
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You may desire to recheck your facts.
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adheren...
Honestly, only a third of the world is Christian...meaning twice as many people do NOT in fact celebrate the birth of Christ.
While I don't typically condone wikipedia as a valid source of information, it does however, in this article, elaborate on it's sources as well...showing that even the Christmas tree was a "borrowed" holiday festivity from Pagans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_tree
It's a shame that we don't celebrate Christ's birth in the right season, but as someone mentioned, it was easier to talk pagans into converting if Christianity shared all their holidays. Let's not forget the birth of the half-god Horrace, born unto the virgin Isis, on December 25th. Is there anything original about Christianity?
You're right to a point. It depends on when you consider life to begin. It wasn't the actual physical birth of Christ, but rather when he was conceived.

I didn't write this but it explains how to get to the physical birthday of Christ.

The Bible scholar E. W. Bullinger, author of the Companion
Bible (a study Bible with copious notes), discovered the clues. The key to the accurate birth date of Jesus is in the birth of his cousin, John the Baptist. The story goes back to before John's birth, with John's father Zacharias. Zacharias was a temple priest of the 'course of Abia'. There were a number of different 'courses' of priests, and it can be determined at which date the 'course of Abia' was on duty-- at least if can if you are a noted Hebrew scholar like Bullinger. Zacharias had a vision while in the sanctuary that when he got home to his wife, she would conceive a child. This happened as predicted-- otherwise the vision would have been forgotten. When Zacharias's wife Elisabeth was 6 months along, Elisabeth's cousin Mary also got pregnant as a result of a vision. Adding 6 months plus nine months to the date of Zacharias's temple duty, you have a birth date for Jesus on about the 15th of Tishri in the Hebrew calendar, or 29 September in our calendar. This date was remembered as a Christian Church feast, St. Michael and All Angels.

December 25TH was the day of conception. Jesus was born nine months later as is normal.

A proof that the September date rather than the December one is accurate is that it is recorded that there were shepherds in the fields at night with their flocks at the time of Jesus birth. There is no grazing for the flocks in December in Israel-- it was the custom to put the flocks in winter housing in October/November.

Another proof is that Jesus birth is recorded as being at a time when the Roman government was compelling its population to participate in a census, which for many involved a journey to their ancestral hometown. December would have been the worst month for such an activity. The best time would have been autumn, when the weather was just right and the harvest activity was done.

The true birthday of Jesus was deliberately forgotten by the Church which bears his name, in favor of co-opting our own sacred feast of Yuletide, as well as other sacred feasts of the winter solstice in other European Pagan traditions. The goal was to stop people celebrating the Pagan feasts by putting in an important Church holiday at the same time-- remember that Christians, even those who were converted to Christianity by force, were required to go to Mass on important Church holidays as well as Sundays.

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#260
Nov 12, 2009
 
What ir wrong in saying holiday tree? there are many religions and people with so many backrounds. christmas is refering to one religion while holiday means many. holiday is meaning there are many choices and freedom. thats what make's this country great is that we have freedom of choice. no one is forcing you to say holiday there merlily putting it holiday tree for legal reasons. if we say christmas tree we are discrimating the jewish and others. im not saying you have to call it christmas tree you can call it big green thing for all care. christian are not the only one who fought and died for this country you least have to respect the fallen soldiers of other backrounds as well.

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Nov 12, 2009
 
smurfz wrote:
What ir wrong in saying holiday tree? there are many religions and people with so many backrounds. christmas is refering to one religion while holiday means many. holiday is meaning there are many choices and freedom. thats what make's this country great is that we have freedom of choice. no one is forcing you to say holiday there merlily putting it holiday tree for legal reasons. if we say christmas tree we are discrimating the jewish and others. im not saying you have to call it christmas tree you can call it big green thing for all care. christian are not the only one who fought and died for this country you least have to respect the fallen soldiers of other backrounds as well.
Well there’s nothing wrong with it and you can call it anything you want but it’s a christmas tree.

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-yernogood wrote:
<quoted text>Well there’s nothing wrong with it and you can call it anything you want but it’s a christmas tree.
I agree.I have called it a Christmas tree for as long as i can remember.I envy you.I miss being on the beach around christmastime in shorts,lol.I used to love watching the lighted boat parades and going to different coastal towns that were all lit up for Christmas.We went to St Augustine one year and it was beautiful with all the old buildings all lit up and horse drawn carrriages,and carolers going from store to store.Haven't been down there since June,and it was HOT as you know what than.The humidity can knock the breath out of you.

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<quoted text>I agree.I have called it a Christmas tree for as long as i can remember.I envy you.I miss being on the beach around christmastime in shorts,lol.I used to love watching the lighted boat parades and going to different coastal towns that were all lit up for Christmas.We went to St Augustine one year and it was beautiful with all the old buildings all lit up and horse drawn carrriages,and carolers going from store to store.Haven't been down there since June,and it was HOT as you know what than.The humidity can knock the breath out of you.
Well christmas is fun no matter where you are, I like the lights reflecting on a snowy ground, for about a week then it’s back to the boat. So many crybabies out there just so unhappy and miserable in their lives they have nothing better to do then fight to take happiness away from those that are. Now isn’t that just about as hateful and pathetic as it gets?
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<quoted text>Well christmas is fun no matter where you are, I like the lights reflecting on a snowy ground, for about a week then it’s back to the boat. So many crybabies out there just so unhappy and miserable in their lives they have nothing better to do then fight to take happiness away from those that are. Now isn’t that just about as hateful and pathetic as it gets?
Not quite. Sending out a not-so-subtle message that members of any given religion have special access to the government and its resources is definitely more hateful and pathetic.
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#265
Nov 13, 2009
 
It's a CHRISTMAS TREE! Keep it as that.
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Not quite. Sending out a not-so-subtle message that members of any given religion have special access to the government and its resources is definitely more hateful and pathetic.
Agreed.

I hope that was spelled correctly and the period put in the right place.
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smurfz wrote:
What ir wrong in saying holiday tree? there are many religions and people with so many backrounds. christmas is refering to one religion while holiday means many. holiday is meaning there are many choices and freedom. thats what make's this country great is that we have freedom of choice. no one is forcing you to say holiday there merlily putting it holiday tree for legal reasons. if we say christmas tree we are discrimating the jewish and others. im not saying you have to call it christmas tree you can call it big green thing for all care. christian are not the only one who fought and died for this country you least have to respect the fallen soldiers of other backrounds as well.
You are wrong. No one should be stripped of their religious rights nor of their traditions. I'm Christian with many friends who practice Judaism. I recognize their freedom to practice their religion by wishing them Happy Chanukah and they wish me a Merry Christmas in return. Who are you to take away our religious freedom???

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PFG wrote:
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Not quite. Sending out a not-so-subtle message that members of any given religion have special access to the government and its resources is definitely more hateful and pathetic.
Wel merry christmas anyway.
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