Late losses 'getting mental'

Late losses 'getting mental'

There are 36 comments on the South Florida Sun-Sentinel story from Feb 20, 2008, titled Late losses 'getting mental'. In it, South Florida Sun-Sentinel reports that:

But after Tuesday's 3-2 defeat in Pittsburgh, Vokoun had nothing to say - at least nothing to say publicly.

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DREW

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#1 Feb 20, 2008
"The Panthers, who were given the day off Wednesday,"

... nice, just what they need. A day off.

No wonder they play like s**t.
CITIZEN X

Pompano Beach, FL

#2 Feb 21, 2008
Cohen, Jacque is a bum get rid of him. Please.(I) want to win.
The Voice of Reason

Richardson, TX

#3 Feb 21, 2008
Agreed!
right wing

Jupiter, FL

#4 Feb 21, 2008
for a guy who never made it to the playoffs, jokinen was the one who guaranteed the postseason at the start of the year.cats need a huge housecleaning, starting at the top.judging from post game quotes, this does not appear to be a happy close knit team.lots of character issues. ah nobody cares anyway,.
12yrseasontkthol der

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#5 Feb 21, 2008
dumping olli does nothing to help. gettting a top center and making ollie the 2nd line center, thats help. Getting a full time coach like every other NHL team....wow crazy idea?
Ryan

Newport Beach, CA

#6 Feb 21, 2008
Hire a coach, put Frodo up his GM office. AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DON'T TRADE OLLI! Just make him an assistant captain and keep him in Florida, he's our only true all-star other than Vokoun and maybe Bou.
cooprulz

United States

#7 Feb 21, 2008
I've been saying it since Richard's accident... say goodbye to Jokinen. Jacques will cover his job before a players any day. Then he'll get another year to drive ticket sales into the ground before Cohen moves him out of coach position.
Cesar

Tampa, FL

#8 Feb 21, 2008
Fire Jacque Fire Jacque Fire Jacque Fire Jacque Fire Jacque Fire Jacque Fire Jacque Fire Jacque Fire Jacque Fire Jacque Fire Jacque Fire Jacque Fire Jacque Fire Jacque Fire Jacque Fire Jacque Fire Jacque Fire Jacque Fire Jacque Fire Jacque Fire Jacque!

His style of defense is the worst Iíve seen in hockey. I also donít like how heís not coaching his players when they make mistakes. All he does is sit there with his arms crossed and do nothing. Whatís up with that? Another thing, I know Olli can play better then that Iíve seen him, we all seen him. I just wish every one would play like booth he always plays hard and never gives up on a play. I think he should have the letter C on his jersey rather then Olli. If they all can play hard for 60 min or more then they wouldnít have anything to complain. JUST STRAP UP THE SKATES AND PLAY 60MIN OF HOCKEY. ITS AMAZING WAT CAN HAPPEND WHEN U JUST PLAY HARD.
Wait a Minute

Boca Raton, FL

#9 Feb 21, 2008
Trading Olli is a mistake. This team is really only 2 quality players (plus the addition of more young talent) away from being very competitive. Add in a top notch wing and a top notch defenseman and this team is far more competitive. Don't forget that next year the team can bring in a young talent like Matthias and perhaps Frolik, McArdle, etc. If they trade Olli, there is no way they will get equal value, which leaves them 3 quality players away from being really competitive (with the top teams in the league).

Of course, the whole thing hinges on coaching. It's obvious that so far Jacques hasn't gotten the job done. Something has to give. Either he relinquishes the coaching job or the GM, but I don't see how they can continue to have him do both jobs. It just isn't working.
JimH

Miami, FL

#10 Feb 21, 2008
Watch them make a bad trade to cover a previous bad trade: Jokinen to Dallas for Stu Barnes!
FIRE MARTIN

United States

#11 Feb 21, 2008
FIRE MARTIN!
Change

Miami, FL

#12 Feb 21, 2008
Wait a Minute wrote:
Trading Olli is a mistake. This team is really only 2 quality players (plus the addition of more young talent) away from being very competitive. Add in a top notch wing and a top notch defenseman and this team is far more competitive. Don't forget that next year the team can bring in a young talent like Matthias and perhaps Frolik, McArdle, etc. If they trade Olli, there is no way they will get equal value, which leaves them 3 quality players away from being really competitive (with the top teams in the league).
Of course, the whole thing hinges on coaching. It's obvious that so far Jacques hasn't gotten the job done. Something has to give. Either he relinquishes the coaching job or the GM, but I don't see how they can continue to have him do both jobs. It just isn't working.
So, basically, you're talking about a total of 10 players or so lol.

So much for only needing two players.
Michael Yormark

Miami, FL

#13 Feb 21, 2008
See, last night proves that we are turning the corner. congrats to the boys for not losing their game last night.

Please come early tonight for a State of the Team address in the Bank Atlantic Center. There will be refreshments. We will also discuss our plans for the trade deadline.

Call me with any questions.
Dear Florida Panthers

Miami, FL

#14 Feb 21, 2008
If you trade Olli Jokinen it's over. No longer will I sit through your rubbish and put myself as a season ticket holding fan through this bullcrap.

Trading Jokinen makes NO sense. If you have a problem with the team..A team by the way thats wants to get picked apart by EVERY other NHL squad looking to better itself. YOU must consider FIRING NOW the losing coach and GM of the Florida Panthers Jacques Martin.

FIRE HIM NOW..because you atleast get the new coach a chance to work with the guys for a 20 game stretch, you may even LIGHT A FIR under these guys and make the serious run. IF NOT, then the new coach gets his feet wet with the boys, and builds again for yet ANOTHER "SO CALLED" promising season.

Mr. Cohen, trading Jokinen solves NOTHING. It just gives ANOTHER team a puzzle to move forward. A puzzle we already have. Trade him for Tanguay, Cheechoo, Marleau? that's the talk. AND it's ridiculous.

MARTIN IS THE PROBLEM..GET RID OF THAT PROBLEM NOW!

Trade Jokinen...AND I'M OUT! I mean it...you keep it. AND so will others..NO ONE will buy the crap anymore. You have a good solid young nucleus..we've had it, seen it, bought into it ALL before..NOW get another MAN capable of RUNNING it..Because this "man" can't.

DO IT TODAY!
Dear Florida Panthers

Miami, FL

#15 Feb 21, 2008
"piece of the puzzle"

Thank You
End of the Line for Me

Boca Raton, FL

#16 Feb 21, 2008
Michael Yormark wrote:
See, last night proves that we are turning the corner. congrats to the boys for not losing their game last night.
Please come early tonight for a State of the Team address in the Bank Atlantic Center. There will be refreshments. We will also discuss our plans for the trade deadline.
Call me with any questions.
While Mr. Yormark, President of the Panthers organization, tries (as is his job) to put a happy spin on things (assuming of course that the original posting was his and not that of an imposter), this season subscriber has reached the end. I have allowed myself to be sold renewals by the Panthers' sales team for each of the last 6 years. No more. I can find much better things to do with my $8k than waste it on the garbage product this organization continues to put on the ice. I would feel differently if the team improved year to year. But they don't. Time for Cohen et al. to clean house, put in new corporate management (perhaps Tampa would like Yormark and his team to return there to "fix" its problems), new coaching and new players and build something people want to see. Then maybe I'll come back. I had the pleasure of seeing a Senators game in Ottawa this weekend. What a difference. Excited fans, positive atmosphere, etc.
RED BARON

Deerfield Beach, FL

#17 Feb 21, 2008
Wait a Minute wrote:
Trading Olli is a mistake. This team is really only 2 quality players (plus the addition of more young talent) away from being very competitive. Add in a top notch wing and a top notch defenseman and this team is far more competitive. Don't forget that next year the team can bring in a young talent like Matthias and perhaps Frolik, McArdle, etc. If they trade Olli, there is no way they will get equal value, which leaves them 3 quality players away from being really competitive (with the top teams in the league).
Of course, the whole thing hinges on coaching. It's obvious that so far Jacques hasn't gotten the job done. Something has to give. Either he relinquishes the coaching job or the GM, but I don't see how they can continue to have him do both jobs. It just isn't working.
Wait a Minute... I agree with you on Olli, but ideally a team with solid chemistry means that the "total" value is equal or more than the sum of the parts. Oddly, in the Panthers case it is just the opposite. The parts (ie. players) when totaled separately exceed the total value of the team. Therefore we perceive them all as underperformers when in fact some of them might be only misused.

That being said, we all agree we have some great NHL players. If we didn't, other NHL teams wouldn't covet them. But why is there very little chemistry? Is it bad coaching, poor leadership from the captain or just an overall sense of malaise or apathy within the ranks? We've heard all the endless crying about injuries and dependence on AHL players, but there were many games we saw meltdowns were most of our core roster was healthy. How do we explain that?

Taking a scientific approach, I think the first answer is to replace the coach. We have to rule him out as the underlying cause or catalyst of this mess. Once that has occurred we can look at player chemistry with fresh eyes. We know the Booth-Weiss-Horton line has show remarkable chemistry. As with anything, if it ain't broke don't fix it. We should try to keep that line intact. As for the other lines (including defensive pairings) there is virtually no chemistry at all. Thanks to Martin's constant line jugglinng, we can almost start from scratch there.

While we all hear rants on these boards about "we need to get this" and "we need to get that", I haven't heard one poster yet state that we need to look at the make-up of our team and take a more holistic approach. Players we acquire should not be brought here because they are expensive or top notch. They should be brought here because we know their style of play works well under our system and that there is a better chance of them finding chemistry here. For these kind of players (top notch or not), we should spare no expense. Unfortunately, we have cheap owner and a marketing freak who are more interested in hype and hot air

I honestly think that if we get a good solid "X's" and "O's" coach who is not afraid to be confrontational it will solve many problems. Look at what Hitchcock did to Columbus? A last place team is looking at a possible playoff berth for the first time in franchise history. This is the kind of coach we need. Someone who has a strategy, has a passion for winning and who knows how to use the strengths (and hide the weaknesses) of his team. Martin is clearly not up to it and he is overworked and overstretched as well. Starting with a new coach is the best answer right now. With the right guy behind the bench, we may find that very little of our players need to be cut. Moreover, we will avoid the costly mistake of trading away players we spent years cultivating on our dime.
Islanders

Miami, FL

#18 Feb 21, 2008
The Islanders are now 1 point out of a playoff spot. Who was the idiot who said the Islanders should be sellers at the trade deadline???
JimH

Miami, FL

#19 Feb 21, 2008
Here's some perspective for you: If the Panthers had won the last two games, they'd have 64 points. One of those wins would have denied Carolina a point, so the cats would be at least tied for the division lead. As it is, they're six points out of 8th place in the conference.(8 points if you consider the Rangers, who have played the same number of games).

This season is still winnable. The playoffs are still attainable. Jacques needs to put on his GM hat and fill some needs or the Panthers will fall short again.

The rumor mill is still churning out the Jokinen/Tanguay rumor, but I wonder if there's a blockbuster waiting to happen?
Ryan

West Palm Beach, FL

#20 Feb 21, 2008
I don't understand how professional athletes can be "scared" in the final 10 minutes of a game and don't know how to win. Where is the confidence???
I've played sports all of my life and played in big games, good athletes always believe in themselves that they are the best at what they do and are better than there opponent. I truly don't understand how these players got to where they are if they lack confidence to win or are afraid to win as they are quoted. ABSOLUTELY MIND-BOGGLING!
I have come to the only conclusion and that is that this team has to be dismantled and a new leadership and anew mantra needs to develop. Vokoun is the right person to keep because he knows how to win. I do feel that it is time to get rid of Martin and change/trade/release about 7-8 players from this team. Money needs to be spent in the off-season to bring in vocal/experienced veteren leaders who will take charge of this team and take charge in the third periods of games.

This is Disgusting!!!

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