Panthers answer 'no call' at end

Panthers coach Jacques Martin was disgusted. Captain Olli Jokinen was furious. Forward Jozef Stumpel was confused. Full Story
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RED BARON

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#1 Oct 19, 2007
Another classic Panthers loss. Great game until the last few minutes.The last goal could have been completely prevented if Antropov wasn't permitted to "camp out" in front of Anderson. Someone missed their assignment big time. We did receive bad penalties late in the game (as usual), but this team should expect that and prepare for it in advance.Teams with solid defense are able to play disciplined AND shutdown opposing offense to the point that they can barely get off a shot. Our defense actually seems to grow worse and allows dangerous shots to occur the closer to the buzzer. It's almost as if they panic and lose their ability to play defense. It happens so often I stopped counting. I think Martin needs to make some changes on defense. Our defense is very fragile. Blake was skating around our defense like they were pylons. Murphy is making Bouwmeester look like an afterthought. Salei and Van Ryn seem almost non-existent out there I don't even understand why Mezei is on NHL ice. He can't defend and his shot is very weak. The only thing he did well was block a shot without getting injured. I guess the only hope is that Montador replaces him or they trade him for a prospect. Martin should consider an upgrade on defense. We need it.
Monts

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#2 Oct 19, 2007
I can't believe there was no stoppage of play when White threw off his gloves, that's just disgusting. I don't even care if he doesn't get a penalty, but come on you can't just let the play resume while one guy is about to fight...especially against Stumpel, are the refs stupid or what?? The guy has never fought in his life, what a load of garbage, typical leafs win...very upset right now
Alpha Panther

Boca Raton, FL

#3 Oct 19, 2007
More excuses from the Panthers. When will they learn to take resposibility for losing and stop blaming it on bad calls or any number of other excuses?
JimH

Miami, FL

#4 Oct 19, 2007
Hey, that's Toronto. It's what you should expect from the refs there. They're expected to be lopsided or selectively blind. It's a shame the Panthers got screwed out of a point, but there it is. At least Darcy Tucker didn't make a whiny victimized ass of himself in this game, and the cats did have their chances...

Goldie gets call of the week for describing that 2nd period phantom crosschecking call as "two minutes for nudging". If a Panther wasn't going to the box, I would have laughed.
Rat Boy

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#5 Oct 19, 2007
Where is the outrage from the Panthers over the fact that they lost a two-goal lead?!?!?!?!? That's where Martin should be upset. You get a two goal lead against anyone, anywhere, at any point during the season or playoffs, and the win should be as good as done. But not for this team. And to make matters worse, this team (predictably) finds something other than its own faults to be upset about.I'm sick of it. This team is not capable of winning four in a row. And we will probably play this whole season in 9, 10, 11 place in the Eastern Conference - again. So tired of it.Playoff teams win that game last night.
Steve

Highland Park, MI

#6 Oct 19, 2007
How about the very dirty hit against White that was not called? That should have been a penalty as well. The ref decided to let both potential penalties go. It is a very one sided article.
Wait a Minute

Fairport, NY

#7 Oct 19, 2007
Give Toronto some credit for staying in the game and mounting a comeback. It might have been one of their best efforts this season, as they could have given up after the first period. But the Panthers should have been sharper in the second period, and also parts of the third. There were several spans of even strength where Toronto held possession in the Panthers' zone, making it look like a power play.

I know the guy had the shootout goal in Montreal, but otherwise, I am not impressed with Stumpel's play so far, particularly at the center position. At times he looks lost, at times he looks lazy and otherwise he looks just OK, but nothing impressive.

On a really positive note, Weiss played a great game - and that assist on Olesz's goal was totally unselfish and a true playmaker's play.
Spider Goalie

Hollywood, FL

#8 Oct 19, 2007
Steve, you said there was a dirty hit against White. It may have looked like that but he had the puck in his possession, he had his back away from the wall, and was hit fairly by Stumpel. What about the no extra penalty on Hal Gill for the way he body-slammed Horton, and then roughing him. Yes Horton dropped the gloves, but was goaded to fight, and he was pissed off the rest of the game. The refs took the game away from the Panthers by not calling obvious calls, and then calling against us poor poor poor poor astonishingly POOR calls.

Now about the Panthers. The Panthers played a spectacular first period. I have not seen them play like that in a long time, on both goals, there was traffic in front of the net. Booth's even strength goal is proof that if you put yourself in front of the net, and keep moving, goals are going to happen. The second priod was horrid, poor play poor penalties, poor reffing. The Panthers seemed to not have the fire in their eyes. They keep talking about what they have done in West Point, but you know what. West Point is a learning facility. You learn what you have to there, perseverance, team work, accountability, leadership, hard work, etc. I'm already tierd of hearing about their West Point trip. If they cant hold work hard for 60 minutes, they need to go somewhere else. Anderson played extremely well and kept the Panthers in the game.

20 minute hockey will not win any team in the NHL games, 40 minute hockey will not win any team games. The Panthers need to play 60 minutes of hockey EVERY NIGHT. They should pull the tapes of the games that were won by the Cats back when they went to the cup finals, and show them how they played to get to the playoffs, not how they played in the playoffs, but their regular season games. Those guys played 60 minute hockey.

If the Panthers are having trouble playing 3 - 20 minute periods with a 15 minute break between, someone should write to the NHL Comission that they should make it 4 - 15 minute periods.
RED BARON

North Miami Beach, FL

#9 Oct 19, 2007
Spider Goalie wrote:
Steve, you said there was a dirty hit against White. It may have looked like that but he had the puck in his possession, he had his back away from the wall, and was hit fairly by Stumpel. What about the no extra penalty on Hal Gill for the way he body-slammed Horton, and then roughing him. Yes Horton dropped the gloves, but was goaded to fight, and he was pissed off the rest of the game. The refs took the game away from the Panthers by not calling obvious calls, and then calling against us poor poor poor poor astonishingly POOR calls.
Now about the Panthers. The Panthers played a spectacular first period. I have not seen them play like that in a long time, on both goals, there was traffic in front of the net. Booth's even strength goal is proof that if you put yourself in front of the net, and keep moving, goals are going to happen. The second priod was horrid, poor play poor penalties, poor reffing. The Panthers seemed to not have the fire in their eyes. They keep talking about what they have done in West Point, but you know what. West Point is a learning facility. You learn what you have to there, perseverance, team work, accountability, leadership, hard work, etc. I'm already tierd of hearing about their West Point trip. If they cant hold work hard for 60 minutes, they need to go somewhere else. Anderson played extremely well and kept the Panthers in the game.
20 minute hockey will not win any team in the NHL games, 40 minute hockey will not win any team games. The Panthers need to play 60 minutes of hockey EVERY NIGHT. They should pull the tapes of the games that were won by the Cats back when they went to the cup finals, and show them how they played to get to the playoffs, not how they played in the playoffs, but their regular season games. Those guys played 60 minute hockey.
If the Panthers are having trouble playing 3 - 20 minute periods with a 15 minute break between, someone should write to the NHL Comission that they should make it 4 - 15 minute periods.
Good points. Opposing teams beat the Panthers using this very logic. They know the Cats will come out strong so they just try to contain them for 20 to 30 minutes or so. Once that time has passed, the Panthers become noticably lazy and lethargic. They look like they have concrete in their boots and they start committing bad penalties and turnovers. At this point, opposing teams get the green light from their coach to begin rushing and shelling our goal because Florida's defense disappears. I'm sure almost every team in the NHL knows this strategy and uses it as part of their pregame prep. It was obvious how Toronto knew it. They came out kind of soft. Committed some penalties and gave us an early lead. They didn't seem too bothered. Once we started to get lazy, right on cue they turned on the afterburners, Toskala got hot and the rest was history. I'm actually surprised we lost by only one goal. The way Toronto was buzzing our net it should have been 4 or 5 to 2 in the end. The whining and complaining about refs is hogwash. Martin is again barking up the wrong tree and doesn't see the glaring performance problems within his own team. He probably thinks having Vokoun back in net will change things. Newsflash Martin... it won't.
Ryan

Boca Raton, FL

#10 Oct 19, 2007
You know what...it was a was a bad call. However Bowmeister had a chance to win it and didn't and the Leafs made a play. Still not a reason to give up game winning goal with 27 sec. left.
Matt

Beloeil, Canada

#11 Oct 19, 2007
Rat Boy wrote:
Where is the outrage from the Panthers over the fact that they lost a two-goal lead?!?!?!?!? That's where Martin should be upset. You get a two goal lead against anyone, anywhere, at any point during the season or playoffs, and the win should be as good as done. But not for this team. And to make matters worse, this team (predictably) finds something other than its own faults to be upset about.I'm sick of it. This team is not capable of winning four in a row. And we will probably play this whole season in 9, 10, 11 place in the Eastern Conference - again. So tired of it.Playoff teams win that game last night.
What the hell are you talking about.... a 2 goal lead ( especially early in the game ) is the most easy to come back from... Even if your the best defensive team in the league. You should start watching the games. We got screwed. The 1st goal was all hard work by the leafs. but the second was a pathetic call on Allen. It was stick on stick. Not only that but when we cleared the puck shorthanded one of the leaf players put his stick out and touched the puck , play was whistled and the draw was in our zone???!!!???
And the third, well.... you all saw it. Pathetic refering this game has lost its credibility... thank you Mr. Bettman
Stanley

Brentwood, TN

#12 Oct 19, 2007
Was it bad ice? Or was that game boring and frustrating to watch. Both teams had trouble controlling the puck and it seemed only Bouwmeester didnít have difficulty skating the puck out and he is known to be an excellent skater.

I hope it was bad ice because if that ice was fine then we have major problems here. Not only do the Panthers look terrible but they are frustrating and not enjoyable to watch.

Toronto completely manhandled us; we need toughness as well as a top line. Most successful teams have 1 big line we have none. I know we donít want to be a ďone line teamĒ but itís better than being a no line team. I donít think we have anyone who compliments Jokinen at all. It was completely frustrating to watch Olesz get body slammed to the ice, Nathan Horton popped in the face and Stumpel get consecutive punched with no calls. RIDICULOUS!
Rat Boy

Miami, FL

#13 Oct 19, 2007
Matt wrote:
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What the hell are you talking about.... a 2 goal lead ( especially early in the game ) is the most easy to come back from... Even if your the best defensive team in the league. You should start watching the games. We got screwed. The 1st goal was all hard work by the leafs. but the second was a pathetic call on Allen. It was stick on stick. Not only that but when we cleared the puck shorthanded one of the leaf players put his stick out and touched the puck , play was whistled and the draw was in our zone???!!!???
And the third, well.... you all saw it. Pathetic refering this game has lost its credibility... thank you Mr. Bettman
Ok, Matt. you're right. the Panthers only have to play 20 minutes of a 60-minute hockey game. They were the only team to get that memo from the league office. It was the referees who made the Panthers' defense lethargic in the 2 and 3 periods. It was the referees that took the hustle out of the team. It was the referees who took the smart decision-making abilities from them. Matt, please. Grow Up and learn how to watch a hockey game. The referees make bad calls each and every game. they aren't perfect. It is up to each team to be able to overcome them. I guarantee you that I could watch that game film and find one or two calls WE got away with. Besides, if this team would hustle, they would make their own breaks. But they don't do this. You're the fan that complains when the ref makes a bad pass interference call at the end of the football game and "costs" the team the game. Never mind that the team played lousy the previous 59 minutes of the game. Oh wait, I bet you also believe it's the banks problem that we have a housing bubble, too. That has nothing to do with the fact that millions of people made the decision to sign up for a bad loan. The players have to be accountable, Matt.
Ronnie

Aylmer, Canada

#14 Oct 19, 2007
Hahaha!! biased reporter (whoever he is).Typical Martin,(whining)..little Ian White 5'10" 185, "MUGGING" Stumpel. 6'3" 225..hahahaha..

Since: Apr 07

Sunrise, FL.

#15 Oct 19, 2007
Granted the officials should have stopped play when White went after Stumpy. But it does not excuse the fact that the Panthers just do not know how to win. That goal with 27 seconds never should have happened. The defence is pathetic and weak an this team will never learn from their mistakes. This team is pathetic making excuses game in and game out for their s****y play.
Captain

Pompano Beach, FL

#16 Oct 19, 2007
They lost this game because they were pushed around all game. Panthers need an enforcer or two, to keep the other teams honest. The refs were bad Stummy should have got a penalty that caused the Leaf to drop his gloves which should have been a penalty also. A good ref would have given both 2 minutes for roughing. Until Panthers get an enforcer they will continue to be pushed around. Yes Martin will say they have to be team tough BUT that would mean Horton will be sitting in the box for fighting and then we lose because a fringe player like Gill is off with him and we only help Leafs taking Gill off the ice. Stewart played a decent game but his spot should filled with an enforcer. WE NEED AN ENFORCER!
mbcat

United States

#17 Oct 19, 2007
Alpha Panther wrote:
More excuses from the Panthers. When will they learn to take resposibility for losing and stop blaming it on bad calls or any number of other excuses?
open your eyes you a hole. maybe you have ref vision. we can straighten that out at the next game for ya
YOURS FOR BETTER EYESIGHT

West Palm Beach, FL

#18 Oct 19, 2007
Were you Panther fans really watching what happened? Before, white challenged that wuss Stumpel to a duel-Stumpy ran at him and he should have had a penalty also! I have it recorded if any of you Panther homers want to see it! Just another Panther loss where they are beaten by the refs! This is an excuse they have been using for years now. Those Panther "angels" never do anything wrong-never deserve penalties-it is always the other team at fault!You guys are priceless....
Truth

Tallahassee, FL

#19 Oct 19, 2007
All of you calling it "an excuse," it is called a reason. The fact speaks for themselves. The refs. clearly blew it. It is well known that Can. refs. hate the Panthers, especially when we are winning. Either we, we will still end up with a better record than the Maple Leafs.
Steve

West Palm Beach, FL

#20 Oct 19, 2007
Ronnie wrote:
Hahaha!! biased reporter (whoever he is).Typical Martin,(whining)..little Ian White 5'10" 185, "MUGGING" Stumpel. 6'3" 225..hahahaha..
...and you are obviously a typical Leafs fan. You guys got the Cup parade route map published in the paper yet? hahahahahaha back at ya

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