Herrmann: Coach, it shouldn't have co...

Herrmann: Coach, it shouldn't have come to this

There are 43 comments on the Newsday story from Mar 2, 2009, titled Herrmann: Coach, it shouldn't have come to this. In it, Newsday reports that:

Not long ago, when an elected official went out to drop the ceremonial first puck at an Islanders game, the crowd was pretty rough on him.

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bkislesfan72

Stamford, CT

#1 Mar 2, 2009
Billy has been a CLASS ACT! Even now, he hasn't said anything negative.He will be missed.Having said that, let's remember this team is in complete reconstruction mode and this is a business. It makes perfect sense to trade for youth and to give Billy a chance to win again.As for the vets winning about the coach: TEAM players bust their butts to make the system work. INDIVIDUALS moan about it.Shut up and make it work or GOOD-BYE AND GOOD RIDDENCE!
Disgruntled

Woodbridge, VA

#2 Mar 2, 2009
Wang is a disaster, his orders were "get young"? Translated, "get cheap". The team has absolutely no direction. Oh yeah, thanks again Milbury, guess that guy Parise wasn't worth drafting huh? I used to worry about the day the Islanders would relocate to Vegas or wherever, now who cares. This is not the franchise I grew up with in the '80s. Every team goes through rebuilding, but the only thing Wang want's to rebuild is his portfolio, not this team.
Greg_Avon

Europe

#3 Mar 2, 2009
Disgruntled is right on target, in order to pay respect to the teams of the 80's just end this mess. Mr.Wang or Mr. LI has destroyed this team.
Mark Messier

AOL

#4 Mar 2, 2009
Disgruntled, "get young" is mandatory in the starting stages of a rebuild, which started for this team officially about a year ago.
As for direction, they have a direction but some people (like you) refuse to read the obvious. THEY ARE IN A REBUILD. That is a direction... jettison vets, player younger players, rebuild prospect pool. Its a 5 year commitment.
Battfist

Howell, NJ

#5 Mar 2, 2009
Settle down...
Things arent so bad on the Island.

Obviously this would happen...why this is even a story is beyond me. Herm writes this as if something terrible has happened.

Juice

Minneapolis, MN

#6 Mar 2, 2009
(Battfist)....Settle down!! Yes, it would happen it's the way it is happening. When you have a back-up goalie and a minor league coach, I guess we can't expect much. What a "Mickey Mouse" organazation! Couldn't agree more with "Disgruntled" hopefully Wang will move them soon.
HOT TUNA

Medford, NY

#7 Mar 2, 2009
Give the kids a chance to play.
Nystrom

Brewster, NY

#8 Mar 2, 2009
Scotty Bowman was once a minor league coach.

If Snow had been a bonafide #1, would that make him a better GM?

I agree Gordon seems to have alienated the vets more than he should. A rookie mistake. You probably make some mistakes at your job too.

There is direction. It is how the 80s Dynasty was built: Potvin, Trottier, Bossy: All high Islanders draft picks. Look at Pittsburgh: Crosby, Fleury, Malkin, surounded by other young guys, and they were Cup finalists last year. If you can't see the direction, open your eyes.

As for drafting Nilsson over Parise, Bill Torrey made a few mistakes over the years as well. Scott Scissons anyone?

Yes, this year is painful to watch if you just look at the standings. However, those of us who recognize budding hockey talent when we see it, are watching the likes of Bergenheim, Okposo, etc turn into tomorrow's all-stars.
2kids

Rego Park, NY

#9 Mar 2, 2009
Disgruntled wrote,"Every team goes through rebuilding, but the only thing Wang want's to rebuild is his portfolio, not this team."

Nobody argues with rebuilding there is a time it has to be happened but why it has to be this way? Where is a class act? We want a winning team but not like this. winning or losing we enjoy looting our team. We only ask players a honest effort, best they can. Whether you like him or not Billy dedicated to the team, this broken ship. How could we chase him out like this. Well some might say he wanted to go out. But that's a excuse.
Because the coach and GM has to prove some thing so quickly. Saying stepping toes of someone like Billy is no problem is wrong. We don't forget this or at least take a long time.
Why we can't get some low key but experienced GM and coach?
smitty

Tallulah, LA

#11 Mar 2, 2009
bring back l.i.ducks hockey to commack!
Rob

United States

#12 Mar 2, 2009
This is a trumped up story. The Red Wings play their youth in critical situations all the time. It results in better rested veterans at the end of the season and younger players with more experience to carry the torch into the future.

The truth is that the Isles haven't had any real direction for 10 years or more. They finally do have direction. They've decided to stop trying the quick fix - it wasn't working - and let the team hit bottom while building a new foundation. This is the way the dynasty was built. That took 8 years. They've been working for 1 or 2 years on this build... but it's the right thing to do. And I mean truly working on the rebuilding process. The fact that they've been inept for 15 years does NOT mean that they were rebuilding during that time. They were trying any kind of quick fix they could in an attempt to appease whiny fans. Quit whining and watch this team build into a true winner.

The team isn't going anywhere. Fans were afraid of that in Pgh too... and I told them the same thing all along. The key word is "viable". The franchise is viable where it is and has a storied history. As such, the NHL will not let them move. No owner has the power to move a team without consent of the NHL and the NHL Board of Governors.
Snow Job

Massapequa, NY

#13 Mar 2, 2009
Where is this bizarre level of optimism coming from and lack of accountability on the management. We are in dead last place and having the worst season in franchise history. We have a charletten coach who does whatever the GM tells him who if they have so much faith in why sign him to three one year deals and not a three year deal. That is what you call lame duck. Who is leading the "youth movement"? A rookie coach? What happened to paying your dues? This franchise has absolutely no class anymore and treats its most loyal dedicated members with contempt and ridicule, recent examples being Nolan, Dubie and now our Captain. Bill Guerin is one of the best American born players in the history of the game as is Doug Weight and deserves to be treated with dignity and respect. He would make a better coach and GM than what is here now. As for the argument that this team is fun to watch, of course it is fun when your playing for absolutely nothing and there is no pressure, but what of the future? What veteran, who is in their prime, will want to come here after seeing what can happen to their reputations? What of all the other veterans on the present team? We'll see? Sorry, we've seen. Good luck Bill Guerin and thank you. Well done Herrmann.

“Hoping LI moves past the 70's”

Since: Feb 08

Long Island

#14 Mar 2, 2009
Very good response, Mark Messier.
Reading a few of the other responses here, it genuinely makes me sad to be reminded that some of my fellow Islanders fans really are THAT stupid. They are SO dumb that they actually complain when a GM finally- FINALLY- has the nuts to do what should have been done a long time ago. And they complain when he cannot do what NO OTHER GM HAS EVER DONE. They want Garth to build a consistently winning team WITHOUT giving him the time to build through the draft. Tough ****, it cant happen... with ANY GM. But, they will stomp their feet and whine about it continuously, nontheless- because they are ignorant and dont know WTH they are talking about, they just remain ignorant and complain.

As far as the stupid racist comments go: You are not funny, youre a ****ing embarrassment.
Battfist

Howell, NJ

#15 Mar 2, 2009
Juice wrote:
(Battfist)....Settle down!! Yes, it would happen it's the way it is happening. When you have a back-up goalie and a minor league coach, I guess we can't expect much. What a "Mickey Mouse" organazation! Couldn't agree more with "Disgruntled" hopefully Wang will move them soon.
Do yourself a favor...
Set a side time to watch the Isles games once they go on their roadtrip on March 10th. After the game April 9th let's see how the team played during that stretch. I believe the play of the Isles to end the season will bring some excitement upon those of us looking forward already to next year.
Carl

Shelton, CT

#16 Mar 2, 2009
Snow Job wrote:
Where is this bizarre level of optimism coming from and lack of accountability on the management. We are in dead last place and having the worst season in franchise history. We have a charletten coach who does whatever the GM tells him who if they have so much faith in why sign him to three one year deals and not a three year deal. That is what you call lame duck. Who is leading the "youth movement"? A rookie coach? What happened to paying your dues? This franchise has absolutely no class anymore and treats its most loyal dedicated members with contempt and ridicule, recent examples being Nolan, Dubie and now our Captain. Bill Guerin is one of the best American born players in the history of the game as is Doug Weight and deserves to be treated with dignity and respect. He would make a better coach and GM than what is here now. As for the argument that this team is fun to watch, of course it is fun when your playing for absolutely nothing and there is no pressure, but what of the future? What veteran, who is in their prime, will want to come here after seeing what can happen to their reputations? What of all the other veterans on the present team? We'll see? Sorry, we've seen. Good luck Bill Guerin and thank you. Well done Herrmann.
This is not the worst season is Isles history. Check your facts. They tried to bring Dubie here and he was claimed off waivers. Would you have liked to see more of Bill Guerin in the past month, or the success Bergenheim and some of the other young wingers have experienced?

The Isles are doing what they should. Trading vets for picks and playing their youth. This article was a little over the top and I don't think this trade comes as any surprise to Bill Guerin or anyone else. Guerin is not that good anymore, and while I thank him for his time and whatever leadership he brought, I'm looking forward to the announcement of whatever we'll be receiving for him.

For the record, if I ever see Mike Comrie in an Isles jersey again I might jump off the top of the Lighthouse, if it's ever built.
Fiotech

Floral Park, NY

#17 Mar 2, 2009
Mark,

And you forgot to mentioned that Guerin made millions of dollars playing a game for a few hours a day. In a time when the unemployment is at all time high, hunger in this country is at all time high and people are losing their homes.
Poor veteran hockey player on his way out of his career not given enough time on the ice to play.
These vets where brought in as free agents to a job and that job was not done. So it's time make a change. Remember these player and their union asked for this kind of environment.
To not be held to one team that they move from team to team
I'm so sick in tired of this BS of a player coach. We had a bunch of theses players coaches parade through this organization, and none of them finishing at best a few games above 500. Arbor and Bowman were never know for the warm and fuzzy we are the world crap. Coaches don't need to become friends with the players.
Bye the way, who signs your check???
Isn't it Mr.Dolan these days. What team does he owns?? Isn't that a conflict of interest.
Keep giving us a negative spin on Islanders.Keep up the work spin doctor..
Mike in CT

Danbury, CT

#18 Mar 2, 2009
Hermann, you're such a spineless creep. It does stink for Guerin how things are ending for him here, but tough decisions need to be made now to prepare for the future. How did the Devils and RedWings get to be so good? Well, some time about 15 years ago they decided to build through the draft and instill a system in their minor league just the way we are doing today. How did Boston, Philly, and Chicago get so good? Draft picks and re-stocking the farm system. Even Pittsburgh was on the brink of moving 3 years ago and suddenly they're an offensive power-house, at least they were earlier this season.

Get a spine, get some character and learn what separates the men from the boys. Gordon and Snow are doing the right thing, however, I wish their execution was a little cleaner and more respectful. But it is what is is...get over it.

You think Al Arbour coddled his players?
nyifancentral

New York, NY

#19 Mar 2, 2009
Fiotech wrote:
Bye the way, who signs your check???
Isn't it Mr.Dolan these days. What team does he owns?? Isn't that a conflict of interest.

Keep giving us a negative spin on Islanders.Keep up the work spin doctor..
Funny Herrmann and Logan forgot to report Gordon played Guerin close to nineteen minutes (five pp) his final for a guy being disrespected by the coach who is supposedly distraught at 4.5m a year.

How come there are no Ranger locker-room quotes (un-named) from players who did not like Tom Renney? I guess Steve Zipay if he knew kept it out of his employers paper even after he was fired with a team that scored less than the Islanders with four hundred less man games lost to injury.

But who's counting when Herrmann and Logan are stirring up anything they can against the Islanders?

I'm sure Prucha just loved being a Ranger and kept quiet daily as he sat around for months like the guy who went to Minnesota and his first words were he could not wait to get off the Rangers.

Newsday I guess forgot that one.

Renney bashed his 90m dollar co-centers leadership when he was sacked last week and wanted Shanahan back.

Just seems like there is one standard for covering the Islanders in this paper and a completely different one for the ones owned by Cablevision.

I don't see Knick and Ranger dirty laundry aired with un-named quotes from Newsday beatwriters.

Go ask Newsday editor John Mancini what happened when Newsday tried to air James Dolan's dirty laundy about his sports teams.

Herrmann and Logan pulled this on the teams owned by Cablevision they would out of a job.
Mike Bossy

Trenton, NJ

#20 Mar 2, 2009
"There are going to be players who are going to want to play for the Islanders," Gordon said. "It's going to be players who maybe know me, who know what I'm like and how I do things."

My man, nobody knows you other than AHL players. You already messed things up for us fans.
kallur

Andes, NY

#21 Mar 2, 2009
Several games ago, Kule Okposo was in the offensive end, by the hash marks, the puck was by the boards. Okposo went to the boards, the puck then came out toward the hash marks, the spot where Okposo had been standing. An opposing player got the puck, and headed up the ice. Okposo, seemingly angry at himself for having made the wrong decision, immediately hit the jets, caught up with the player at mid-ice, stole the puck, spun back toward the offensive end and was hauled down, penalty called. The Islanders were down two goals at the time, it was the type of play that wins games, and, yes, wins Stanley Cups. Okposo could have made it seem like he was giving his all, and gone back and played D and settled somewhere in the defensive zone. Instead, he GAVE it his all, caught up with the player and swiped the puck.
In my estimation, for his entire Islander career, Bill Guerin has been more concerned with making it seem like he's been giving his all than actually giving his all. So please Mr. Hermann, don't make it seem like Guerin has been leaving his heart and soul on the ice every night, because he hasn't. He's more or less earned his paycheck, sometimes less, some nights a lot less. And I was once a huge Guerin fan. I actually wrote the Isles after the Yashin and Osgood acquisitions imploring them to make one more big move, getting Guerin, who was a free agent that year. It may have made a difference, quite possibly have led to a second round in the playoffs, which would have paid half of Guerin's salary, which was in the $6 range then. Advice ignored.

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