Better effort key for Lightning rematch

Sunrise - Having just peeled off his gear after Saturday night's win, the goalie who kept a subpar night from ruining the Panthers ' remaining playoff hopes also brushed off the significance of his effort. Full Story
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firethecoachorgm

Miami, FL

#22 Mar 24, 2008
So basically, if you are on the outside looking in, u need t run the table, and Boston and Philly need to basically play .500

firethecoachorgm

Miami, FL

#23 Mar 24, 2008
What the run has done for me as a 12yrseason tkt holder is cash my bonus tkts in for thursday game...and commit to two (fantasy) rounds of playoffs... i guess thats why fan is short for fanatic....
firethecoachorgm

Miami, FL

#24 Mar 24, 2008
Numbers Guy

United States

#25 Mar 24, 2008
That's assuming 92 points will be enough. It might not be.

So you're saying Horton shouldn't say "We're not going to have to depend on Vokie in the next game because I'm going to go out there and finish my checks; and personally put the puck in the net three times," because the other team might put the quote in their locker room???

Would that make Horton feel bad?

Would he be afraid they might try to make him look bad on the ice? Maybe they would try to check HIM?? Egads! That would be awful.

We wouldn't want that, no. Much better if no one even knows he's out there. We wouldn't want to antagonize anybody, because we might get hurt. After all, if you don't have your health, you don't have anything.

(Excuse me while I gag.)

This team needs to stop saying "I don't know what it is. We just didn't put in the effort. Oh, well. I hope we do better next time."

They need to start believing in themselves. Sometimes you gotta talk the talk before you can walk the walk. Giving up in advance is no path to success.

They need to say, "Mediocrity ends today. We're going to everything possible to see to it that we play in the post season THIS YEAR. We ARE going to skate hard for 60 minutes. We ARE going to put the puck in their net -- repeatedly. We ARE going to take the body. We ARE going to block shots. We ARE going to work as a team.[I] am going to see to it!"
Numbers Guy

United States

#26 Mar 24, 2008
These guys ... Olli, Jay, Nathan, Steven ... they are INCREDIBLY talented. They were all early 1st round picks for a reason. This team has all of the ingredients to make it deep into the playoffs. Except LEADERSHIP.

If they had solid LEADERSHIP, they would have ACCOUNTABILITY. With Accountabilty, we'd see more HEART and CONFIDENCE would skyrocket. Which would lead to CONSISTENCY. And then we'd finally see all that POTENTIAL turn into RESULTS and we'd bask in glory at the TALENT on display. I'm telling you, there's more than you think.
firethecoachorgm

Miami, FL

#27 Mar 24, 2008
Good post. Having been a previous blue seater, anyone without effort gets booed off the ice at MSG. Period. Here we rarely if ever boo a poor effort, too busy watching the blum and silver shuffle game. Theres no accountability, starting with the coach only having to answer to the GM...hmmmmm
Numbers Guy wrote:
That's assuming 92 points will be enough. It might not be.
So you're saying Horton shouldn't say "We're not going to have to depend on Vokie in the next game because I'm going to go out there and finish my checks; and personally put the puck in the net three times," because the other team might put the quote in their locker room???
Would that make Horton feel bad?
Would he be afraid they might try to make him look bad on the ice? Maybe they would try to check HIM?? Egads! That would be awful.
We wouldn't want that, no. Much better if no one even knows he's out there. We wouldn't want to antagonize anybody, because we might get hurt. After all, if you don't have your health, you don't have anything.
(Excuse me while I gag.)
This team needs to stop saying "I don't know what it is. We just didn't put in the effort. Oh, well. I hope we do better next time."
They need to start believing in themselves. Sometimes you gotta talk the talk before you can walk the walk. Giving up in advance is no path to success.
They need to say, "Mediocrity ends today. We're going to everything possible to see to it that we play in the post season THIS YEAR. We ARE going to skate hard for 60 minutes. We ARE going to put the puck in their net -- repeatedly. We ARE going to take the body. We ARE going to block shots. We ARE going to work as a team.[I] am going to see to it!"
Fire Martin

United States

#28 Mar 24, 2008
Numbers Guy wrote:
These guys ... Olli, Jay, Nathan, Steven ... they are INCREDIBLY talented. They were all early 1st round picks for a reason. This team has all of the ingredients to make it deep into the playoffs. Except LEADERSHIP.
If they had solid LEADERSHIP, they would have ACCOUNTABILITY. With Accountabilty, we'd see more HEART and CONFIDENCE would skyrocket. Which would lead to CONSISTENCY. And then we'd finally see all that POTENTIAL turn into RESULTS and we'd bask in glory at the TALENT on display. I'm telling you, there's more than you think.
I couldn't agree with you more. If the leadership isn't on the ice (and I think Jokinen has shown leadership by being consitently scoring.. which is his job)... than it needs to come from the coach. When it comes down to it, these guys work from 5 to 22 minutes a night (must be nice)... If you can't go all out for 5 - 22 minutes a night for that kind of money... I don't know what to say. It's culture. there are teams, companies, organizations whose culture forbids them from being mediocre.. The panthers accept mediocrity as success.. "we're trying".. this isn't pee wee hockey, where everyone gets a trophy for showing up. This team, this organization needs to apologize to it's fans for all these years of garbage... They most likely will not make the playoffs... I really hope that Cohen holds Martin responsible. If it's his philosophy to build a team through the draft, he's gotta be held accountable for not developing the players once he's drafted them. a "6 point" improvement from last year to this year and no playoffs shouldn't be acceptable to ownership
Fire Martin

United States

#29 Mar 24, 2008
Oh.. and don't give me the BS of we don't have a farm team.. you know what, we share a team with Buffalo, and the sabres with Lindy Ruff are hanging in there after losing Drury, Briere, and Campbell...Three absolutely key pieces to their past success... Ruff has been able to develop his young talent. Globke & Stewart should be further along, and all these guys played through the lockout year (including Horton who's the laziest player we have). If I was Jokinen, I'd tell Belak to beat some sense into Horton during practice, or do it myself
Numbers Guy

United States

#30 Mar 24, 2008
Agreed! Not that I want our guys to be fighting each other regularly (kinda hurts the team dynamic)... but they really need to look each other in the eyes and hold one other accountable. Let's face it -- they're all they've got. There's zero media presence, and what, maybe 30, 35 fans tops? Management obviously can't care less. It has to come from the room.
jgindb

Delray Beach, FL

#31 Mar 24, 2008
Hear this: "we worked a lot harder that game" said the man with the C,referring to the Carolina game. And the big scorer said"HOPEFULLY the next couple of games we dont have to rely on him as much" referring to Vokoun. HOPEFULLY!!! WHAT??? The only problem with this team is the laissez-fair attitude of the 2 most physically talented players. The ones who never go to the boards and hit. PERIOD..Wasted talent. BUT the grinders dont quit and that is why there still may be playoff games in Sunrise next month. GO CATS and oh yea you too Horton and Ollie.
Johnny Vermont

United States

#32 Mar 24, 2008
Fire Martin wrote:
<quoted text> Not just a Captain...but more importantly a coach who will get on a team and make them accountable, a GM who will get on the coach, and media who will call out a team for not performing and not write puff pieces about defensemen (like the Mezei piece) because they threw one good check in 82 games!!! Accountability... self accountability, and by those around you. Martin's biggest failure .. amongst many, to me is the play of Horton. He scored 2 goals on Saturday (one empty net) without even trying. The kid flys down the ice when he wants to, puts checks on people when he feels like it (he's a big kid), gets into scraps when he feel like it, and scores when he feels like it... if you watch him in a game, most of the time he's just coasting down the ice.. watch how Weiss and Booth skate on that line and you'll see.. Weiss is a playmaker (no matter what anyone here says), and Booth grinds it out. If Horton tried a "little" harder he'd be at 35 goals this year.. no question
Somewhat in Timmy's defense - The 3rd forward to enter the zone is supposed to hang back a bit and see where the play is going. Booth and Weiss are faster.

That said - he does coast alot.
He does need a motivating coach.
Fire Martin

United States

#33 Mar 24, 2008
Johnny Vermont wrote:
<quoted text>
Somewhat in Timmy's defense - The 3rd forward to enter the zone is supposed to hang back a bit and see where the play is going. Booth and Weiss are faster.
That said - he does coast alot.
He does need a motivating coach.
Absolutely, positional play is one thing, and that is his job (weiss is great at being in the right position), but the kid just doesn't try. You see other offensive players and how they're "in the game" and he just isn't... I mean.. look at Ovechkin, basically the same job, but finishes checks and the wheels are always moving.
SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#34 Mar 26, 2008
BTW

new york islander beat writers are saying that Ted Nolan may get released one year short of his 3 yr. contract.

IF they do...that's a nice solution. Nolan is a good hard-nosed coach, he led the team last year to a playoff spot, and this year has been a disaster with injuries..even with NEW additions this year of Comrie, Guerin etc. and losing Smyth..they came out like a house a fire...Nolan is a good, solid, coach...

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