Islanders' young talent taking baby s...

Islanders' young talent taking baby steps for now

There are 33 comments on the Newsday story from Jul 18, 2009, titled Islanders' young talent taking baby steps for now. In it, Newsday reports that:

Just by adding the name "John Tavares" to their roster, the Islanders have taken a major step toward respectability.

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Rob

United States

#22 Jul 20, 2009
Bill wrote:
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I assume you wish to include Tampa as well. For the reasons mentioned, I do not see any of these teams except possibly Atlanta and Ottawa finishing worse than us.
The truth is that either of you could be correct. I wouldn't be shocked if the Isles finished last overall again this year. I also wouldn't be shocked if the Isles were to make the playoffs this year.

I think the one thing that is definitely true is that we cannot be sure what to expect of this team this year.
Bill

New Westminster, Canada

#23 Jul 20, 2009
Rob wrote:
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The truth is that either of you could be correct. I wouldn't be shocked if the Isles finished last overall again this year. I also wouldn't be shocked if the Isles were to make the playoffs this year.
I think the one thing that is definitely true is that we cannot be sure what to expect of this team this year.
There are just toooo many things that would have to go just a certain way for this team to compete for, much less make, the playoffs. Even IF injuries are not a problem, DP is lights out, we find the ideal linemate for JT and Hunts, and everyone is lights out on offense (a bunch of VERY big ifs, if you ask me), we still have a pre-lockout defense that will collect penalty minutes like spoiled fruit collects flies. Miracles can happen...and a playoff run for this team would be nothing short of that. The probability, however, is that this team will earn at least a top five pick and may well win the lottery again.
Lots of Pride

Brooklyn, NY

#24 Jul 20, 2009
Bill wrote:
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There are just toooo many things that would have to go just a certain way for this team to compete for, much less make, the playoffs. Even IF injuries are not a problem, DP is lights out, we find the ideal linemate for JT and Hunts, and everyone is lights out on offense (a bunch of VERY big ifs, if you ask me), we still have a pre-lockout defense that will collect penalty minutes like spoiled fruit collects flies. Miracles can happen...and a playoff run for this team would be nothing short of that. The probability, however, is that this team will earn at least a top five pick and may well win the lottery again.
That'd be fine by me. Let the kids play another year together, get more experience (another tough year wouldn't necessarily be bad for their nhl experience) and then get another maybe top 5 pick.....wouldn't be horrible.

I'd rather finish in the bottom 5 instead of going 1 and done in the playoffs like that OTHER new york team LOL

....sorry, had to do it
Bill

New Westminster, Canada

#25 Jul 20, 2009
Lots of Pride wrote:
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That'd be fine by me. Let the kids play another year together, get more experience (another tough year wouldn't necessarily be bad for their nhl experience) and then get another maybe top 5 pick.....wouldn't be horrible.
I'd rather finish in the bottom 5 instead of going 1 and done in the playoffs like that OTHER new york team LOL
....sorry, had to do it
If we DID pull off such a miracle, it might work out just fine. It would almost certainly mean that DP will have had the best season of his career and we might get some interesting offers for him. Also going from worst to the playoffs might make agents for Kovalchuk and Marleau sit up and take notice. So it might not be a bad thing. I just don't see it happening.
Battfist

Trenton, NJ

#26 Jul 20, 2009
Bill wrote:
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I assume you wish to include Tampa as well. For the reasons mentioned, I do not see any of these teams except possibly Atlanta and Ottawa finishing worse than us.
Maybe...too much talent though.
Lots of Pride

Brooklyn, NY

#27 Jul 21, 2009
Bill wrote:
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If we DID pull off such a miracle, it might work out just fine. It would almost certainly mean that DP will have had the best season of his career and we might get some interesting offers for him. Also going from worst to the playoffs might make agents for Kovalchuk and Marleau sit up and take notice. So it might not be a bad thing. I just don't see it happening.
You can keep both of those guys......Marleau disappears out there, and without Big Joe T. he isn't worth all the hype. As for Kovalchuck, well, if it's a one-way player you want....you won't be disappointed. That guy is a hack down there in ATL, he only shows up for all-star games and power plays.
Rob

United States

#28 Jul 21, 2009
Bill wrote:
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If we DID pull off such a miracle, it might work out just fine. It would almost certainly mean that DP will have had the best season of his career and we might get some interesting offers for him. Also going from worst to the playoffs might make agents for Kovalchuk and Marleau sit up and take notice. So it might not be a bad thing. I just don't see it happening.
2 things:
1) If DP actually does come back and has his best year ever it would be a bigger boost to the D than just stopping pucks. This old, slow D would benefit greatly from a goaltender who does half the work for them.(I'm not necessarily praising him as much as it sounds.)

2) I still say that you're crazy if you think any team in the league will trade anything of real worth for DP. He can come out next year and play 60 games ending with a .950 spctg, 1.22 gaa, and a Vezina trophy and teams will still stay away from him due to his history and the nature of his contract. The only thing such a successful year would do would be to let the Isles give him away cheap if they wanted out of the contract.
Bill

New Westminster, Canada

#29 Jul 21, 2009
Lots of Pride wrote:
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You can keep both of those guys......Marleau disappears out there, and without Big Joe T. he isn't worth all the hype. As for Kovalchuck, well, if it's a one-way player you want....you won't be disappointed. That guy is a hack down there in ATL, he only shows up for all-star games and power plays.
For a hack, he scores an awful lot of points. He would transform our top line and score more than enough goals to compensate for defensive lapses. Of course, he'd have to be convinced that the Isles were about to become a legit Cup contender to make the move.
Bill

New Westminster, Canada

#30 Jul 21, 2009
Rob wrote:
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2 things:
1) If DP actually does come back and has his best year ever it would be a bigger boost to the D than just stopping pucks. This old, slow D would benefit greatly from a goaltender who does half the work for them.(I'm not necessarily praising him as much as it sounds.)
2) I still say that you're crazy if you think any team in the league will trade anything of real worth for DP. He can come out next year and play 60 games ending with a .950 spctg, 1.22 gaa, and a Vezina trophy and teams will still stay away from him due to his history and the nature of his contract. The only thing such a successful year would do would be to let the Isles give him away cheap if they wanted out of the contract.
Disagree. I don't know what to expect from DP this year...BUT IF he had that kind of year, the Avs would very likely try to trade their first round pick for him...especially if the Isles went to the playoffs and made some noise.
Rob

United States

#31 Jul 21, 2009
Bill wrote:
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Disagree. I don't know what to expect from DP this year...BUT IF he had that kind of year, the Avs would very likely try to trade their first round pick for him...especially if the Isles went to the playoffs and made some noise.
Okay, seriously... that sounds great from an overly optimistic Isles perspective but pretend you're the GM of the Avs. I don't care how well he plays this next year. Would you seriously consider giving up your first round pick - in the top 5 in the draft - for a goaltender with an iron-clad 10+ years left on his contract, 3 hip surgeries, and 1 good year? You would have to be utterly and completely insane... and you would have to be very good at investing your money because you would probably soon be without a job.

There is simply no way this trade would happen. Stop dreaming it.
Bill

New Westminster, Canada

#32 Jul 21, 2009
The Avs are DESPERATE for a franchise G. They would probably insist on some kind of future consideration at the 2012 draft if he goes bust. The Isles #1 pick plus Nilsson--who should be about NHL-ready. IF the season you project actually happened and DP carried this team through a few playoff rounds, I can absolutely see it happening. But its probably moot because no one even knows if DP will ever play again, much less become Hasek on 'roids.
Rob

United States

#33 Jul 21, 2009
Bill wrote:
The Avs are DESPERATE for a franchise G. They would probably insist on some kind of future consideration at the 2012 draft if he goes bust. The Isles #1 pick plus Nilsson--who should be about NHL-ready. IF the season you project actually happened and DP carried this team through a few playoff rounds, I can absolutely see it happening. But its probably moot because no one even knows if DP will ever play again, much less become Hasek on 'roids.
Whoa. I didn't project that. I was just playing along with your hypothetical. I would suggest that if the Isles thought there was a chance DP would be healthy and in top form then they should have used those draft picks on skaters. The fact that they signed 2 goaltenders and drafted 2 others tells me that they expect him to retire. You're the only one that has concocted some scenario in which you believe he could be traded for an asset.
Bill

New Westminster, Canada

#34 Jul 21, 2009
The Isles needed to address the weakness at G in their system regardless of DP's condition. They no doubt INTEND to have Koskinnen either serve as a backup to Roly or play in Bridgeport until Roly's contract expires. IF DP DOES come back and play and IF he has a phenomenal season, Colorado would undoubtedly be interested.

My original point was that, for the Isles to have even a remote shot at being competitive, a whole bunch of facts not yet in evidence would have to occur. DP having a season like he has NEVER had before in his life. His best NHL years were 2003-04 (23-18, 5 SO, 2.36 GAA,.911 SV) and 2006-07 (32-19, 5 SO, 2.58 GAA,.919 SV), He would have to significantly improve on that. That's a real longshot, but if it happened, I think the Avs would try to do a deal.

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