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Isles need to come to terms with prospect Martin

There are 79 comments on the Newsday story from Jul 14, 2009, titled Isles need to come to terms with prospect Martin. In it, Newsday reports that:

Players with the size and toughness of power forward prospect Matt Martin are in short supply in the Islanders' organization.

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Bill

New Westminster, Canada

#62 Jul 16, 2009
Bill wrote:
We just drafted Matt Moulson. Had been with LA and had performed well in his one call up, but they are so deep that he has remained in the AHL. See how Hockey's Future describes him:
"Heís a tremendously skilled player with hockey smarts to boot. Moulsonís also an excellent skater with very good speed. Heís blessed with great hands, and his passing ability is outstanding. He uses his 6í1/205 frame quite well. Heís strong and tough to move off of the puck.
In addition to his well-publicized offensive skills, Moulson is also a solid defensive player. He was utilized in Cornellís penalty-killing situations and has done very well in breaking up plays, particularly in odd-man rush situations.
Moulson has the potential of a second/third line winger. Moulson is a rare commodity as a scorer from the left wing position."
Put him on the line with JT and Hunts and call it the Lager Line!!!
Oooops!!! That should read we signed Matt Moulson. And since Hunts, JT, and Moulson are all Canadian, call it the Canadian Lager Line.
Battfist

Trenton, NJ

#63 Jul 17, 2009
Bill wrote:
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Oooops!!! That should read we signed Matt Moulson. And since Hunts, JT, and Moulson are all Canadian, call it the Canadian Lager Line.
Bill-you have me fired up about Moulson.
Another guy who'll be playing as a fourth line center by the time the season is in full gear is Jermey Reich.
BowTie Bill

United States

#64 Jul 17, 2009
BowTie Bill wrote:
Er DUDE, your right about leaving Stanley's out, ONE friggin CUP in 54 yrs is definitely something You do not want to bring up!!YOU are satisfied in making the playoffs, that is your ULTIMATE goal. Every other teams is to win the Cup! So just be content getting into the playoffs, and make your first round exit.Crackin on another organization is what gives you your jolleys, then knock yourself out! But you dam sure better realize you GREAT team experienced down times for again 54yrs.54 years of pathetic hockey!And you got the balls to knock this organization?5yr plan over a sorryass 54yr plan, yeah I'll take it. DONE DEAL!!!
OK, I see we're dealing with a short bus alum here.....Maybe, just maybe you should set your sights a little more realistically than talking Cups. I'd say graduating from punchline status to lower mediocrity is a good first gate for you to shoot for.

In today's installment of "Where Are They Now".....that baby boy who was born the day the Islanders won their last playoff series is now:

1) Shaving
2) Getting [email protected] tonight
3) Looking at colleges
4) Using the VHS tapes labeled "Islander highlights" as a coaster for his beer
5) Asking who the Islanders are
6) Wondering if three "5 Year Plans" are the same as a "15 Year Plan"

So what's the hot rumor today KC or Toledo?

This is too easy.....

Bow Tie Bill

United States

#65 Jul 17, 2009
AGAIN YOU DUMB SHIT, iF you can possibly get it through that sorry excuse for a head( step the hell away from the crack!)IT is always about the Stanley CUP?54YRS ASSHOLE, you weren't even born to witness that glorious moment!NO matter how much you choose to rationalize you TWIT, it isn't gonna change anything.Short Bus alum, yeah fool I guess you would know all about that.I wish I could exchange some witty repartee with you, but it is totally obvious, you would be completely unarmed!!! Just keep deluding yourself, removing all that is true, obvious, and rational, and existing in your fantasies. It is clear that I'am wasting my time and energy, trying to educate, one that is simply unable to comprehend such a very basic principle! Well, I should have heeded the advice I was given yrs ago.Never argue with an idiot or a fool!And you, my simple-minded little friend fit both catergories! Case Closed!!!
Bill

New Westminster, Canada

#66 Jul 17, 2009
Battfist wrote:
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Bill-you have me fired up about Moulson.
Another guy who'll be playing as a fourth line center by the time the season is in full gear is Jermey Reich.
He never really got a shot in LA because of their depth. He did well in his one callup. I suspect that, at minimum, he was signed to compete with Comeau and Joensuu for second line LW. That is what is going to happen this year. Garth and Coach Gordon are going to be trying this player and that player to see what they have. If this season establishes the line of the future for our franchise offensive player, it will have been a success regardless of where we finish.

Maybe Robin Figren will emerge as a potential first line LW. Maybe some of our defensive talent will emerge as NHL-ready. Maybe DP AND Koskinnen will perform well enough that Garth will consider a trade of DP. The last is a longshot, but the point is that Garth will have a much better idea of what he needs to do in the 2010 draft and FA after this year.
Nick

Bohemia, NY

#67 Jul 17, 2009
He doesn't go back into the draft if he is not signed.
Rag4765

Tenafly, NJ

#68 Jul 18, 2009
BowTie Bill wrote:
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That was a truly weird response Dude.....and here's an idea - maybe leave Stanley Cups out of it for now. How about when your favorite team's front office stops being a sit-com, the franchise gets off life support and gets at least a couple steps out of the basement we'll trade insults and it will be a little more challenging for me. Maybe after we see how the NEW five year plan works out....Deal?
Leave the cups out of it??? LOL What's the point then? Maybe we should leave playoff appearances out of it. Then maybe we should leave winning seasons out of it. Hey, then we could leave wins and losses out of it and every team would be even. LOL!
Bow TieBill

Charlotte, NC

#69 Jul 18, 2009
Looks like your best goalie Dubie (yup, the journeyman they plucked from the over-30 beer league in Dix Hills to fill in for brittle 15 year guy DP) just signed with Minnesota.

I guess getting paid in frozen moose burgers and playing in front of 6,000 fans (hey - just like a fishstyx game) was an improvement he couldn't pass up.

This is too fun....
Bill

New Westminster, Canada

#70 Jul 18, 2009
Bow TieBill wrote:
Looks like your best goalie Dubie (yup, the journeyman they plucked from the over-30 beer league in Dix Hills to fill in for brittle 15 year guy DP) just signed with Minnesota.
I guess getting paid in frozen moose burgers and playing in front of 6,000 fans (hey - just like a fishstyx game) was an improvement he couldn't pass up.
This is too fun....
Yeah, almost as much fun as it will be when your most recent brittle overpaid jerk (Gaborik) goes down for the season and starts complaining about Torts and maybe Sather too. Hey BTW, he just came from mooseburger land where he got the coach and GM axed. It will be interesting to see how many more goals JT has then this loser when the season is over.
BowTie Bill

United States

#71 Jul 20, 2009
Bill wrote:
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Yeah, almost as much fun as it will be when your most recent brittle overpaid jerk (Gaborik) goes down for the season and starts complaining about Torts and maybe Sather too. Hey BTW, he just came from mooseburger land where he got the coach and GM axed. It will be interesting to see how many more goals JT has then this loser when the season is over.
This just in....finally something the the NYI are a leader in -# 3 on the MSN Money list of ALL professional sports organizations on life support, right behind the WNBA...and I quote "In the meantime, the Islanders will try to drag their sorry butts out of last place in the NHLís Atlantic Division, where they won 26 games, lost 47, and tied 9 last season. If the Islanders donít start winning, the empty seats at the Nassau Coliseum could outnumber the fans, and Long Island might become the cul-de-sac of no return..."

LOL - pretty soon you'll be able to devote your entire short attention span to your big brother in Manhattan, or maybe become a Devils fan...so you can continue your sorry preoccupation with hating your big brother.

“Hoping LI moves past the 70's”

Since: Feb 08

Long Island

#72 Jul 20, 2009
BowTie Bill wrote:
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This just in....finally something the the NYI are a leader in -# 3 on the MSN Money list of ALL professional sports organizations on life support, right behind the WNBA...and I quote "In the meantime, the Islanders will try to drag their sorry butts out of last place in the NHLís Atlantic Division, where they won 26 games, lost 47, and tied 9 last season. If the Islanders donít start winning, the empty seats at the Nassau Coliseum could outnumber the fans, and Long Island might become the cul-de-sac of no return..."
LOL - pretty soon you'll be able to devote your entire short attention span to your big brother in Manhattan, or maybe become a Devils fan...so you can continue your sorry preoccupation with hating your big brother.
Oh PLEASE. Who cares what this idiot wrote? Isles attendance was up last season, as were season ticket sales. This just shows how someone can write articles even if they dont research a subject, and there will always be schmucks that lap it up.

“Hoping LI moves past the 70's”

Since: Feb 08

Long Island

#73 Jul 20, 2009
Bow TieBill wrote:
Looks like your best goalie Dubie (yup, the journeyman they plucked from the over-30 beer league in Dix Hills to fill in for brittle 15 year guy DP) just signed with Minnesota.
I guess getting paid in frozen moose burgers and playing in front of 6,000 fans (hey - just like a fishstyx game) was an improvement he couldn't pass up.
This is too fun....
What the hell are you talking about? I dont think Dubie is 30 yet, if he is he might have just turned 30- and he played for Bridgeport and the Islander years ago.

Why are you here posting worthless garbage like this? Is the rest of your life that barren and empty?

“Hoping LI moves past the 70's”

Since: Feb 08

Long Island

#74 Jul 20, 2009
Rag4765 wrote:
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Leave the cups out of it??? LOL What's the point then? Maybe we should leave playoff appearances out of it. Then maybe we should leave winning seasons out of it. Hey, then we could leave wins and losses out of it and every team would be even. LOL!
LOL this clown has already left facts out of it and thinks posting made-up stupidness is "too much fun" so I think he will go for it.
Bill

New Westminster, Canada

#75 Jul 20, 2009
BowTie Bill wrote:
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This just in....finally something the the NYI are a leader in -# 3 on the MSN Money list of ALL professional sports organizations on life support, right behind the WNBA...and I quote "In the meantime, the Islanders will try to drag their sorry butts out of last place in the NHLís Atlantic Division, where they won 26 games, lost 47, and tied 9 last season. If the Islanders donít start winning, the empty seats at the Nassau Coliseum could outnumber the fans, and Long Island might become the cul-de-sac of no return..."
LOL - pretty soon you'll be able to devote your entire short attention span to your big brother in Manhattan, or maybe become a Devils fan...so you can continue your sorry preoccupation with hating your big brother.
I have a LOOOONG attention span. It encompasses well over 40 years of watching hockey. The first ten years, there were only the Rangers in NYC and all they ever did was lose. Then the Isles came into existence and within eight years they had done what the Rangers had not done since 1940--win a Cup. Then they did it three more times and nearly a fourth. This is something the pitiful Rangers have only done once in my lifetime and then only because they were able to import the core of the Oiler franchise--something they will never be able to do again.

Yes, Islander fans don't just keep coming back game after game and year after when their team has been mismanaged as the Rangers have been. They expect management to work to build Cup winners which Islander management, unlike the Rangers, is now doing. And, as a result, even in an economic downturn ticket sales are booming. And Ranger fans? They are like the proverbial dog who returns to its own vomit.
Bow TieBill

United States

#76 Jul 20, 2009
Bill wrote:
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I have a LOOOONG attention span. It encompasses well over 40 years of watching hockey. The first ten years, there were only the Rangers in NYC and all they ever did was lose. Then the Isles came into existence and within eight years they had done what the Rangers had not done since 1940--win a Cup. Then they did it three more times and nearly a fourth. This is something the pitiful Rangers have only done once in my lifetime and then only because they were able to import the core of the Oiler franchise--something they will never be able to do again.
Yes, Islander fans don't just keep coming back game after game and year after when their team has been mismanaged as the Rangers have been. They expect management to work to build Cup winners which Islander management, unlike the Rangers, is now doing. And, as a result, even in an economic downturn ticket sales are booming. And Ranger fans? They are like the proverbial dog who returns to its own vomit.
Four straight years to the playoff vomit trough...and Ranger fans and management are disgusted with the mediocrity and therefore turning the roster over (again). Playoffs, remember them? The other cool thing is that the gate revenue associated with playoffs goes right to the house. You might want to tell Mr. Wanger about that playoff thing, it might help him recoup some of his $200-$300M he's been hemmorhaging since he bought the box of frozen fishstyx. Maybe then he'll stop making public announcements about regretting the whole thing :)

And Price George Guy, I hate to break it to you but the 1970's business model of stockpiling draft picks and waiting 12 years (it's been what 16 for the NYI?)for your farm system to pay off went extinct when your Mike Bossy jersey got too tight a while back. It's a win now league and you gotta tune your roster regularly with draft picks and FA's and keep the seats filled while you're doing it. It's a BUSINESS and the ones that make money will be around. Aren't you Canadians supposed to be the experts about this stuff?
Bill

New Westminster, Canada

#77 Jul 20, 2009
I hate to break it to you, but you have no clue what you are talking about. You always build through the draft. That hasn't changed. You add to the core through FA and trade. Look at the recent Cup finalists. Both teams built their cores through the draft. Virtually every Cup winner you can name except the Edmonton East 1994 Rangers built their core through the draft.

This, BTW, is an interesting lecture from the fan of a team that went seven LOOOONG years without a playoff berth and really hasn't made any noise in the playoffs since that imported 1994 Cup.

If you have a good core of prospects and you have someone like Lou L., Jimmy D, or Bill T. who really knows what he is doing, you can rebuild on the fly. The Mad Mike era all but destroyed the Islanders core. Garth had to start from scratch. At least he is starting. Sather has a few nice players from the draft, but he always feels the need (because of his desperate fans) to go out and get this or that overpriced loser to try to please them. That is a recipe for continued failure. We will get our fifth Cup and more and you will still be looking for another "savior" five, ten, fifteen years from now.

“Hoping LI moves past the 70's”

Since: Feb 08

Long Island

#78 Jul 20, 2009
Bow TieBill wrote:
Playoffs, remember them?
Idiot, the Rangers in 52 Playoff Appearances over 83 years have a LOSING record of 193-204-8. The Islanders in 21 Playoff Appearances over 37 years have a WINNING record of 134-106. How about THAT?

And, in the last 10 years (98-99 through 08-09)the Islanders and the Rangers have BOTH made the playoffs only 4 times. So WTH are you bragging over? Big deal. BOTH teams have made the playoffs in 4 of the last 7 seasons. But only one team was shut out in any of those 4 series, and FYI it wasnt the Isles. What team went NINE YEARS without winning even ONE playoff game? Again, it wasnt the Islanders. Playoffs- remember them? Yeah just as well as you do. Idiot.

So why are you showing up here and spewing this BS? WTH is the point? Quit spamming articles that are about the Isles with bragging about what amounts to NOTHING. You have nothing other than an unearned and inexplicable sense of entitlement and accomplishment that I can only presume spews from so many of you being Yankee fans- a team that HAS won plenty. You need to stop mixing them up.

Seriously- I dont ever seek Rangers fans out and give them ****. I have lots of friends who are Rangers fans, even- and I have absolutely no problem giving them all the credit they deserve when they deserve it. But its people like you doing **** like this who do your best to make Rangers fans look like morons.
Carolina Blonde

Charlotte, NC

#79 Jul 21, 2009
Bill and Metal Chick, the Bow Tie guy is right. No matter how you spin it the NYR have won 48 playoff games over the last 16 years to the NYI's 6. Pick your measure and it's a mismatch any way you slice it. As far as financial viability of the respective franchises, it's not even a discussion. The NYR, even during mediocre seasons are a recognizable national brand while the NYI (while generating great memories 25 years ago) have only a small regional following and can't even fill their arena semi-regularly.

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid about "the rebuilding plan"...they've been rebuilding for a quarter century. They are a laughingstock and you seem oblivious. And your current organization's parallels with Bill T, Jimmy D and Lou L...? C'mon, people have some self respect.
Bill

New Westminster, Canada

#80 Jul 21, 2009
Carolina Blonde wrote:
Bill and Metal Chick, the Bow Tie guy is right. No matter how you spin it the NYR have won 48 playoff games over the last 16 years to the NYI's 6. Pick your measure and it's a mismatch any way you slice it. As far as financial viability of the respective franchises, it's not even a discussion. The NYR, even during mediocre seasons are a recognizable national brand while the NYI (while generating great memories 25 years ago) have only a small regional following and can't even fill their arena semi-regularly.
Keep drinking the Kool-Aid about "the rebuilding plan"...they've been rebuilding for a quarter century. They are a laughingstock and you seem oblivious. And your current organization's parallels with Bill T, Jimmy D and Lou L...? C'mon, people have some self respect.
You are totally clueless. The Rangers are going nowhere. They have been going nowhere for the last 40+ years that I have been following hockey--apart from one year when they imported the Cup from Edmonton.

Your comment about the Rangers being a national brand is not even a good joke. I have lived all over the US and Canada. No one seriously follows them outside of the NY area. To the extent that anyone even pays attention to them at all, it is to mock their organization as a repository for the most overpriced and underachieving talent in the NHL.

If you knew anything about the Islanders or hockey(which you clearly do not) you would know that the Isles suffered from poor management really from the end of the Torrey era in 1992 until a few years ago. It was poor because it was impatient. To win in hockey, you must be patient and give players like Roberto Luongo, for example, time to develop.

The Islanders, in short, suffered from the same mentality that the Rangers and the Leafs still do. Constantly trading homegrown assets away for this star and that may keep the fans coming back and may get you to the playoffs (although the Rangers went seven long years without going and the Leafs have missed for the last few) but it will never get you a Cup.

The Islanders are on the right track at last. By this time next summer, they will have the core of a Cup contender in place. The Rangers and the Leafs will go on with their win now mentality which will keep their fans coming back but will never produce anything other than also ran teams that barely make the playoffs (or not). I don't like Kool Aid. That's for Ranger and Leaf fans to drink.

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