Islanders waiting until draft to anno...

Islanders waiting until draft to announce pick

There are 135 comments on the Newsday story from Jun 20, 2009, titled Islanders waiting until draft to announce pick. In it, Newsday reports that:

Approaching one of the most important draft-day decisions in franchise history, Islanders general manager Garth Snow knows exactly what he plans to do with the No.

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Billy Jaffe

Smithtown, NY

#1 Jun 20, 2009
I know the Isles are going to blow this and not pick Taveras. I could just see them trading down to #3 and drafting Duchesne b/c he's got good character, good skating ability, and good defensive instinct. That's not going to win us anything. We need a guy who can light the lamp... Taveras
derek

New Harbour, Canada

#2 Jun 20, 2009
"Tavares, the pure goal-scorer favored overwhelmingly in polls of Islanders fans"- yes and 99% of NHL scouts as well, get off this duchene trip, if garth snow is that stupid there is no hope.
Glen

AOL

#3 Jun 20, 2009
From the hockey end of it Hedman all the way build from the net out. But when your picking #1 YOU PICK THE BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE AND THAT"S JOHN TAVERAS ..........
Glen

AOL

#4 Jun 20, 2009
The hype of the draft party would lead one to believe it's Taveras but were talking about the islander's who've passed on zach parise the reason I don't understand if for nothing else the fact that his Dad JP played for the Isles. But we know the outcome of that draft.From point of which player is going to put fan's in seat's who's the player that's going to do that, plus give the team an indentity like Crosby did in Pittsburgh and Ovechkin did for the Cap's and Kane in Chicago, in my opinion that's none other then Mr John Tavares......
hot tuna

Medford, NY

#5 Jun 20, 2009
Taveras has got to be the pick!
NY rangers fan

Haledon, NJ

#6 Jun 20, 2009
ITS GOTABE DUSHENE YOU DOOOOOSHBAGS

Tavares is a one way player
Bill

Brooklyn, NY

#7 Jun 20, 2009
I am sorry all you JT fans...but the best athlete of the three, the best fit for Coach Gordon's system, the player who fills the biggest organizational need ALL add up to Big Victor...not Alexei Tavares.

Greg MIGHT be able to convince me about Matt Duchene. I think he is the best center in this draft. But MD only works IF Garth is willing to trade up to the #12 and get Simon Despres so that we can get the big franchise defender that we absolutely NEED.

Since Garth is unwilling to do that, this is really a no-brainer. Barring such a tradeup, Garth will be likely unable to draft a big franchise quality defender before 2012 at the earliest.

Cam Fowler is the only defender in the 2010 draft even remotely close to Big Victor's size and talent and the Isles cannot assume that they will be in the top five where they would need to be to draft him. What's more drafting Fowler would mean missing the chance to draft a star quality LW and complete our top line. There are six of them projected for the Top Ten and 10 for the first round.

One thing is certain, the Isles will not get an NHL-ready impact player out of the 2011 draft. It is projected to be very weak and there may very well be NO NHL-ready players coming out of it.

If the Isles draft Big Victor and do not trade up, they can use the #26 for Carl Klingberg, big, tough, fast, and highly skilled--the prototypical second line LW. They can use the #31 for Phillipe Paradis, also big, fast, tough, and skilled, a superb second line center. They can use the #37 for Matt Clark who has been compared to the Rangers' Marc Staal and would be a superb big shut down defender. They can use the #56 for a goalie prospect like Robin Lehner and they would still have both third round picks to fill other needs.

With a couple of good FA signings like Clemmensen and Oduya, they would be in position to complete the core of a Cup winner next summer.

Garth cannot be worried about what might initially excite fans the most. The wrong choice DEVELOPMENTALLY now could be disasterous. It is not about one player marching into Long Island and leading us to victory. We have been down that road with Yash.

The #1 pick is part of an essentially three year effort (2008, 2009, 2010) to put together the core of a team that can bring the Cup back to Long Island. Bringing in a sexy goal scorer who might excite the fans and score some goals, but who is a poor skater, does not cover his own zone well and wilts under tough hits is not the answer for this franchise. We must draft Big Victor as part of an effort to build a TEAM that can win the Cup.
Brendan

West Babylon, NY

#8 Jun 20, 2009
Hedman is the one we should choose.
Steve

Newark, NJ

#9 Jun 20, 2009
Why must the Islanders always go against the grain. Why are we thinking of drafting a guy who didn't make the Canadian team (maybe because of injury). The same team Tavares was MVP on. A guy that was on nobody radar for the top rated players until the end of the season. Yes the guy can skate, play D and has some offense. But we need a top D-man or sniper. We have enough young role players. Hopefully Snow is just blowing smoke to keep everyone guessing. I want Hedman and will have no problem with Tavares.
tjrover

Muskegon, MI

#10 Jun 20, 2009
whatever, they'll still screw it up. this team is never lucky enough to have the top pick when a calibur player like Kovalchuk is available
longtime fan

Clifton, NJ

#11 Jun 20, 2009
"pesonality fit" is a big qualification? Billy Smith was a combative, frequently sour player who wouldn't even shake hands with opposing players after series wins

he almost punched out Mike Bossy for scoring on him to much at one practice

of course, he only won 4 Cups, a Jennings Trophy, a Conn Smythe and was inducted into the HOF

take the best player you big dope,and if you don't, please resign yourself to back up Ricky so I can boo you
Ryan

Lindenhurst, NY

#12 Jun 20, 2009
For a franchise that has holes at every single position.. You have to take the best player available. That is JT. He's been the best player available for the 2009 draft since he was 14. I could see the argument for Hedman. He's a talented smooth skating d-man. But for anyone that compares him to Pronger or Lidstrom.. It is just unfair. Lidstrom is an all time great. And Pronger is by FAR more physical than Hedman will ever be. Yes, our defensive prospect list is paper thin. But so is our prospect list of finishers. And a lot of scouts have said that Hedman might not be as great of a prospect as Bogosian or Peitrangelo from the 2008 class. Tavares has been held under a microscope for the last 4 years. He is not a bad skater, just average. But you can teach skating. And I surely hope that people who have wrote on here have watched the WJC because JT was the MVP. I believed someone said he withered under checks?... He drove to the net every time. And he dished out hits too.

And for "NY Ranger Fan"

You can't be serious, right?

Not only was he not on the WJC (which JT was the MVP of), he was on the 2nd line of his junior team (Yes, I realize Hodgson was their top guy).
The Isles already have a a similar 2 way forward in Bailey (at the same age as Duchene, had similar stats).

And if you're going to call people "DOOOOSHBAGGSS" you might as well spell Duchene correctly.
Bill

Brooklyn, NY

#13 Jun 20, 2009
Every one is entitled to their opinion, but Bailey and Duchene are not the same kind of player. Here is how NHL Director of Central Scouting EJ McGuire describes Bailey:

"He is a good play-making centerman with the ability to feed his linemates when he needs to..."

Here is how he describes Duchene:

"A pure sniper..."

The Islanders have a bit of a history with two way centers. One of them, in particular, is a player who Matt Duchene reminds me a lot of. He was a pretty good scorer...had 1425 career points, won the Calder, Ross, Hart, and Conn Smythe trophies. Let's see...oh yeah...Bryan Trottier...that's the guy.
There for all Four

Brooklyn, NY

#14 Jun 20, 2009
Greg:

Kassian may go in the top 10 but I doubt it. No way Moore can be in the top 10. Why did you pick those two guys? If you mentioned Kulikov or Paajarvi your trading up might have made sense. And the first pick has to be Tavares.

No one wanted to draft Bossy because he was a one way player and didn't play defense, was too small, didn't hit, played in the Quebec junior league etc. The Isles did and they immediately had a 50 goal scorer.
Tavares has broken all of Gretzky's goal scoring records, he is the most prolific goal scorer in junior hockey history and the Isles have no one to put the puck in the net. Snow should have already announced that he will be drafting Tavares and he should be negotiating a contract with him.

This is so typical of the Isles stupidity for the past 25 years. Hedman is a big athletic defenseman but he is not Orr or Potvin. There is no choice between a defenseman and a poor goal scorer like Tavares for a team like the Isles.

The four cup teams defensemen other than Potvin were all drafted in the late rounds. Persson, Jonsson, Langevin, Morrow, Lane. You can always find talented defensemen and goaltenders below the third round. For a team like the Isles the first three rounds of this draft must be devoted to goal scorers starting with Tavares. If the Isles want to continue their laughing stock reputation they will go with Hedman. There is not a G.M. in the league who wouldn't take Tavares with the first pick.

And with the second first rounder they should take the best goal scorer still on the board. Someone will drop through to pick # 26. There are many talented offensive players in this draft.

Garth, if you read these comments and I hope you do to get a feeling for the passion of the Islander fan base, there will be a riot at the draft party if you don't draft Tavares.

My four season tickets are awaiting renewal. I cannot endure another season without a goal scorer. After all, we go to the games to see the Islanders win. They can't without someone to put the puck in the net.
There for all Four

Brooklyn, NY

#15 Jun 20, 2009
That should have read pure goal scorer not -poor-.
Bill

Brooklyn, NY

#16 Jun 20, 2009
If Kassian is still available at #10, the Oilers will grab him. They do not like Penner their current power forward and are looking to trade him. I like Hunts, but Kassian is more like Gillies than any other player I have seen since. I doubt Garth would trade Hunts to get him, but he will be a spectacular talent.

I have seen Moore in the top ten in some mock drafts. He may have a better upside than Kulikov, but Kulikov is more NHL-ready. This makes it more likely that teams with earlier picks who more desperately need impact players are going to draft him.

"You can always find talented defensemen and goaltenders below the third round." This is an absurd statement. You are FAR more unlikely to find a STAR defender in the later rounds than a star scorer. Zetterberg was a 7th rounder. Persson was a late pick because no one back then assumed that he would come to the US to play. The Isles took a flyer on him and got lucky. Today he'd probably be a first or second round pick. Tomas Jonsson was a second round pick.

Nowadays players--even European players--are scouted very thoroughly. It is VERY unlikely that a star defender will be found past the first and second rounds. You might get one in the third round. Any NHL-ready defender of Big Victor's size and talent is going to be at least a top five pick.

You need to prevent goals as well as score them to win hockey games. The Rangers scored nine more goals than we did and went into the playoffs as a seven seed because they have possibly the best goalie in the NHL with a defense corps in front of him that is much more talented, faster, and younger than ours.

We have a problem on defense with age and size. Just compare our roster with Pittsburgh's. You need a roster full of big talented defenders to compete for the Cup. Our two defensemen of any size--Sutton and Witt--are old, slow, and frequently injured. Everyone on the Atlanta thread is glad to have seen the back of Sutton and the Preds beat writer told me that they thought Witt had lost a step in 2005. Martinek and Streit are also older and Martinek and Gervais are also frequently injured. The only young and promising defender on the roster is Hillen and even he is a bit undersized. Our two best defensive prospects, Ness and Hamonic are both undersized. We desperately need big, fast, and talented defenders. We NEED Big Victor and another big defender in the second round. I like Matt Clark and Dylan Olsen. Olsen may be gone by the second round. Clark has been compared to Marc Staal. We NEED him and Big Victor.

We can complete our second line in this draft and get a big time scoring LW in 2010. Rome wasn't built in a day and neither are Cup winners.
David Volek

AOL

#17 Jun 21, 2009
Bill wrote:
I am sorry all you JT fans...but the best athlete of the three, the best fit for Coach Gordon's system, the player who fills the biggest organizational need ALL add up to Big Victor...not Alexei Tavares.
Greg MIGHT be able to convince me about Matt Duchene. I think he is the best center in this draft. But MD only works IF Garth is willing to trade up to the #12 and get Simon Despres so that we can get the big franchise defender that we absolutely NEED.
Since Garth is unwilling to do that, this is really a no-brainer. Barring such a tradeup, Garth will be likely unable to draft a big franchise quality defender before 2012 at the earliest.
Cam Fowler is the only defender in the 2010 draft even remotely close to Big Victor's size and talent and the Isles cannot assume that they will be in the top five where they would need to be to draft him. What's more drafting Fowler would mean missing the chance to draft a star quality LW and complete our top line. There are six of them projected for the Top Ten and 10 for the first round.
One thing is certain, the Isles will not get an NHL-ready impact player out of the 2011 draft. It is projected to be very weak and there may very well be NO NHL-ready players coming out of it.
If the Isles draft Big Victor and do not trade up, they can use the #26 for Carl Klingberg, big, tough, fast, and highly skilled--the prototypical second line LW. They can use the #31 for Phillipe Paradis, also big, fast, tough, and skilled, a superb second line center. They can use the #37 for Matt Clark who has been compared to the Rangers' Marc Staal and would be a superb big shut down defender. They can use the #56 for a goalie prospect like Robin Lehner and they would still have both third round picks to fill other needs.
With a couple of good FA signings like Clemmensen and Oduya, they would be in position to complete the core of a Cup winner next summer.
Garth cannot be worried about what might initially excite fans the most. The wrong choice DEVELOPMENTALLY now could be disasterous. It is not about one player marching into Long Island and leading us to victory. We have been down that road with Yash.
The #1 pick is part of an essentially three year effort (2008, 2009, 2010) to put together the core of a team that can bring the Cup back to Long Island. Bringing in a sexy goal scorer who might excite the fans and score some goals, but who is a poor skater, does not cover his own zone well and wilts under tough hits is not the answer for this franchise. We must draft Big Victor as part of an effort to build a TEAM that can win the Cup.
I could not disagree with your post more. I am going to assume that you are a scout and have seen each of the players that you have mentioned play numerous times.

Alexei Tavares??????? Cute, but hardly an accurate description for the guy who BROKE GRETZKYs OHL SCORING TITLE. How many other players in the NHL have broke ANY of the great ones records...?? The islandes most glaring need is a pure goal scorer......which they have not had in over 10 years.....Tavares is that guy.

Hedmen would be the smart choice if the isles had any kind of offense, but they dont. While defense is important, its not about having that one elite d men. You must have 6 capable defensmen who can all play. After all your top D men play what 20+ min per game. FYI did the penguins who just won the cup have that "elite" d man?(Gonchar is not elite, sorry). The islanders are stocked up with picks and if need be they should trade down to draft a d men, but the first overall pick should be John Tavares, period.
David Volek

AOL

#18 Jun 21, 2009
Bill wrote:
If Kassian is still available at #10, the Oilers will grab him. They do not like Penner their current power forward and are looking to trade him. I like Hunts, but Kassian is more like Gillies than any other player I have seen since. I doubt Garth would trade Hunts to get him, but he will be a spectacular talent.
I have seen Moore in the top ten in some mock drafts. He may have a better upside than Kulikov, but Kulikov is more NHL-ready. This makes it more likely that teams with earlier picks who more desperately need impact players are going to draft him.
"You can always find talented defensemen and goaltenders below the third round." This is an absurd statement. You are FAR more unlikely to find a STAR defender in the later rounds than a star scorer. Zetterberg was a 7th rounder. Persson was a late pick because no one back then assumed that he would come to the US to play. The Isles took a flyer on him and got lucky. Today he'd probably be a first or second round pick. Tomas Jonsson was a second round pick.
Nowadays players--even European players--are scouted very thoroughly. It is VERY unlikely that a star defender will be found past the first and second rounds. You might get one in the third round. Any NHL-ready defender of Big Victor's size and talent is going to be at least a top five pick.
You need to prevent goals as well as score them to win hockey games. The Rangers scored nine more goals than we did and went into the playoffs as a seven seed because they have possibly the best goalie in the NHL with a defense corps in front of him that is much more talented, faster, and younger than ours.
We have a problem on defense with age and size. Just compare our roster with Pittsburgh's. You need a roster full of big talented defenders to compete for the Cup. Our two defensemen of any size--Sutton and Witt--are old, slow, and frequently injured. Everyone on the Atlanta thread is glad to have seen the back of Sutton and the Preds beat writer told me that they thought Witt had lost a step in 2005. Martinek and Streit are also older and Martinek and Gervais are also frequently injured. The only young and promising defender on the roster is Hillen and even he is a bit undersized. Our two best defensive prospects, Ness and Hamonic are both undersized. We desperately need big, fast, and talented defenders. We NEED Big Victor and another big defender in the second round. I like Matt Clark and Dylan Olsen. Olsen may be gone by the second round. Clark has been compared to Marc Staal. We NEED him and Big Victor.
We can complete our second line in this draft and get a big time scoring LW in 2010. Rome wasn't built in a day and neither are Cup winners.
The islanders should make Komisarek and offer he cant refuse. That is the exact d men the islanders need.
miker

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#19 Jun 21, 2009
Gary Bettman does not announce who the Islanders will be drafting. It'll be Garth or Ryan.
Battfist

Trenton, NJ

#20 Jun 21, 2009
Trade next years first round pick and San jose pick to Tampa for the 2ns pick in the draft.

Tavares and Hedman?

Can it be done?
Is it a terrible idea?

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