Time ticks down on trade for Isles' G...

Time ticks down on trade for Isles' Guerin

There are 35 comments on the Newsday story from Mar 4, 2009, titled Time ticks down on trade for Isles' Guerin. In it, Newsday reports that:

Staff writer Katie Strang contributed to this story. March 4, 2009 Is today the day Islanders captain Bill Guerin ships out? Or will he return to a kind of purgatory for the rest of the season, trying to play ...

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Employed

Stamford, CT

#21 Mar 4, 2009
Tavares09 wrote:
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Snow probably had a deal fall through on him and you can't have him play while you're getting a trade done. Unfortunate, but were the Islanders supposed to do.
Tavares09 - I was talking about Gordon's comments with the press about Guerin, not that they took him out of the lineup. Snow has no control over Gordon or the players. Too much locker room stuff coming out.

Well, at least Guerin has a shot a making the playoffs now. I wish him all the best; he deserves it after the crap he put up with the last two years.
NYRfan

Stamford, CT

#22 Mar 4, 2009
Pittsburgh stole Guerin from the Isles. If Im the Isles no way in hell does that deal get done.

Since: Mar 09

Jersey City, NJ

#23 Mar 4, 2009
Employed wrote:
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Tavares09 - I was talking about Gordon's comments with the press about Guerin, not that they took him out of the lineup. Snow has no control over Gordon or the players. Too much locker room stuff coming out.
Well, at least Guerin has a shot a making the playoffs now. I wish him all the best; he deserves it after the **** he put up with the last two years.
Oh didn't read that...yea hopefully it doesnt have an impact, not that we were going to get all-star free agents anyway
Battfist

Columbus, OH

#24 Mar 4, 2009
Snowjob wrote:
Another embarrassing situation that is being mishandled by management. Why put Sim on waivers? If there was interest in him he would have been traded for draft picks, no? Why criticize Witt and every other veteran on this team? Why trash the team Captain who is, by the way, the teams point leader? Why because some Isle fans have bought into this "youth movement" garbage. Truth is, the powers that be are dumping salaries and any type of leadership that may question the incompetent coach and GM. Look through this Lighthouse project smoke screen and you will see that all Wang is interested in is enriching his real estate investments in the surrounding areas. We need an arena and management that will command respect among the league not a lighthouse. Pessimism is not a productive philosophy but neither is ignorance. A coach and a GM that are learning as the go is unacceptable as is their level of arrogance with the media and the players. Isles fans deserve more and should expect more. It's time to wake up.
If you actually did your "homework" you would know that Witt and Gordon have patched things up and now have a good working relationship. Witt also has expressed his desire to remain an Islander. Guess what-he should and probably will be the next captain...which I like!!! He is one tough SOB!!!
Battfist

Columbus, OH

#25 Mar 4, 2009
NYRfan wrote:
Pittsburgh stole Guerin from the Isles. If Im the Isles no way in hell does that deal get done.
Lets be real-Guerin wasnt worth a first or second round pick. This wasnt a terrible deal. Pens will make the playoffs...4th round pick...if he plays-looks like a 3rd round pick. A 3rd round pick is a realistic draft pick for a aging, veteran like Guerin.
jafo

New York, NY

#26 Mar 4, 2009
And the beat{down] goes on, I'm not saying it was a bad deal,[Guerin}but I do think that Snow should have gotten a little more for him, what we receive is contingent upon what the Pens do, from here on out,as good as 3rd through a 5th round draft pick,but i guess for the amount of intelligence and moxie that Snow has, it was to be expected! PS the move went down 2 hours ago, why hasn't this rag of a paper {LI}updated this board, pathetic.

Since: Mar 09

Jersey City, NJ

#27 Mar 4, 2009
jafo wrote:
And the beat{down] goes on, I'm not saying it was a bad deal,[Guerin}but I do think that Snow should have gotten a little more for him, what we receive is contingent upon what the Pens do, from here on out,as good as 3rd through a 5th round draft pick,but i guess for the amount of intelligence and moxie that Snow has, it was to be expected! PS the move went down 2 hours ago, why hasn't this rag of a paper {LI}updated this board, pathetic.
Anyone who thinks Guerin was worth more than Snow got for him is delirious.
jafo

New York, NY

#28 Mar 4, 2009
Tavares09 wrote:
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Anyone who thinks Guerin was worth more than Snow got for him is delirious.

And anyone who thinks the Islanders are on the way to competeing for the cup,or respectability, is retarded,not with the bunch of AHL players on the team and Snow, and Wang has pulled the wool over certain people's eyes, just like the empty suit in the WH now, better take off the rose colored glasses, and smell what they are shoveling, it stinks .

Since: Mar 09

Jersey City, NJ

#29 Mar 5, 2009
jafo wrote:
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And anyone who thinks the Islanders are on the way to competeing for the cup,or respectability, is retarded,not with the bunch of AHL players on the team and Snow, and Wang has pulled the wool over certain people's eyes, just like the empty suit in the WH now, better take off the rose colored glasses, and smell what they are shoveling, it stinks .
What are you talking about? They're building a team, relax. Christ, It hasn't even been one season of rebuilding and you morons lose all hope!

This way is a much better way to build a long-term contender. The only reason we have to rebuild every 3 or so years is because we sign mediocre veteran players who either pass their prime or move away when their contracts are up. By building a young team we have a much better chance of being competitive for years. Not only that, but the players develop ties to Long Island so it's easier to re-sign them.
jafo

New York, NY

#30 Mar 5, 2009
Tavares09 wrote:
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What are you talking about? They're building a team, relax. Christ, It hasn't even been one season of rebuilding and you morons lose all hope!
This way is a much better way to build a long-term contender. The only reason we have to rebuild every 3 or so years is because we sign mediocre veteran players who either pass their prime or move away when their contracts are up. By building a young team we have a much better chance of being competitive for years. Not only that, but the players develop ties to Long Island so it's easier to re-sign them.

Hey rookie, I notice you like to use derogatory terms against people, when discussing different viewpoints then yours. First I have been following the game of hockey for over 40 years, and the Islanders since their 2nd season 73/74, i would bet dollars, to donuts that is longer then you are alive my friend, however,as for my previous post about the Isles getting more for Guerin, i did not know he wanted to stay on the east coast, that of course limited where they could make a deal for him, so on that point yours was valid,i just don't believe that most of the players on the team right now will be there for the long haul, and if they are, it says much about the direction of this team, some of the D-men suck, like Gervais, and Martinek and many of the forwards are much to small, and slight to succeed in this league,Tambellini is not going to blossom into another sniper, Hilbert, still can't bury the puck, Bailey looks lost,only Okposo, and Neilsen look like they can score on a regular basis, at least become 20/25 goal scorers, now when you respond, see if you can do it with a little more civility.

Since: Mar 09

Jersey City, NJ

#31 Mar 8, 2009
jafo wrote:
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Hey rookie, I notice you like to use derogatory terms against people, when discussing different viewpoints then yours. First I have been following the game of hockey for over 40 years, and the Islanders since their 2nd season 73/74, i would bet dollars, to donuts that is longer then you are alive my friend, however,as for my previous post about the Isles getting more for Guerin, i did not know he wanted to stay on the east coast, that of course limited where they could make a deal for him, so on that point yours was valid,i just don't believe that most of the players on the team right now will be there for the long haul, and if they are, it says much about the direction of this team, some of the D-men suck, like Gervais, and Martinek and many of the forwards are much to small, and slight to succeed in this league,Tambellini is not going to blossom into another sniper, Hilbert, still can't bury the puck, Bailey looks lost,only Okposo, and Neilsen look like they can score on a regular basis, at least become 20/25 goal scorers, now when you respond, see if you can do it with a little more civility.
Glad that you got to see the dynasty play. You're right, I am 23. Few issues with what you said:
First off: just because I'm young doesn't mean I don't know hockey. I've been watching it AND playing it since I watched Volek's game winner in 1993 against the penguins.
Second: As a dedicated 40-year fan, you should know the amount of patience that it takes to build failure into long-term success (but maybe not given your hypocritical bash on Obama's presidency after a month and a half -- talk about an understanding of another viewpoint...). Think of the Islanders now as the team from the 1972-1973 season. They were garbage! Not only that, but they were terrible the year after as well with 19 wins. Bullet point: Patience, my elder friend.
Third: You over-analyze our talent. We are not going to be building our hockey team around Frans Neilsen, Andy Hilbert, Bruno Gervais and Radek Martinek. They, if they remain with the team (I think Martinek needs to go) will be role players if that. Hilbert's scoring touch is just fine for the 4th line grinder role that he is SUPPOSED to be playing. Okposo is showing promise as a power forward. He's a rookie and he's on pace to finish with over 30 points this season which isn't terrible for the way the team has performed. Bailey is not a goal-scoring center, he is a play-making center. That means assists and not as many goals. If you look at him in that light, he is having an impressive season so far. 3 goals and 16 assists and a lot of experience. We have also found what appears to be the puck-moving quarterback we need in Streit. A 50+ point producing defenseman who can play defense as well (+/- rating is highest among Islanders who have played the full season). Not to mention, hopefully a healthy DiPietro and what appears to be a very solid back-up between the pipes next year. Bullet: Focus on the meat, not the fat

Since: Mar 09

Jersey City, NJ

#32 Mar 8, 2009
jafo wrote:
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Hey rookie, I notice you like to use derogatory terms against people, when discussing different viewpoints then yours. First I have been following the game of hockey for over 40 years, and the Islanders since their 2nd season 73/74, i would bet dollars, to donuts that is longer then you are alive my friend, however,as for my previous post about the Isles getting more for Guerin, i did not know he wanted to stay on the east coast, that of course limited where they could make a deal for him, so on that point yours was valid,i just don't believe that most of the players on the team right now will be there for the long haul, and if they are, it says much about the direction of this team, some of the D-men suck, like Gervais, and Martinek and many of the forwards are much to small, and slight to succeed in this league,Tambellini is not going to blossom into another sniper, Hilbert, still can't bury the puck, Bailey looks lost,only Okposo, and Neilsen look like they can score on a regular basis, at least become 20/25 goal scorers, now when you respond, see if you can do it with a little more civility.
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Finally, THE DRAFT/Other prospects. The good thing about being so terrible in 72-73 and 73-74 is that it brought us all-star talent that we didn't have to go out and sign. John Tavares or Viktor Hedman will be the building block next season. After next year, we'll probably have another strong draft pick to throw on top of that. Plus, not only do we stand in the position to have one of the OHL's all-time leading scorers join our roster next year, we have the OHL's second leading scorer in our system already. There's a lot to be excited about in my mind. I don't know what you mean by Wang is "pulling the wool over our eyes" when if you look at stats alone (which are not like financial statements that can be tampered with)...we could have 4 impressive scorers/playmakers ALL under the age of 22 on our roster next season. Bullet: Look at the big picture. You should be able to have that point of view after 40 years, anyway.
jafo

New York, NY

#33 Mar 9, 2009
Hey Tavares09, you have a great deal of insight and make very valid points about the team, for a 23 year old fan,probably as an older fan i don't have the same patience as i should, i would like to see this team, that i love,become very competitive, if not vieing for a cup in the very near future,as for players on the team,or prospects we may get in the draft, or in trades i dont share your optimism for their success in the short term, however i was impressed with their performance in today's game{Sunday}hopefully gordon's system may be finally getting through to them, time will tell, i just hope they dont go on a tear and miss getting the draft pick they so desperatly need, lol, who would you like for the isles to get either tavares or hedman, i guess by your avatar its tavares, but either player would be great to get, to add to KO, and one or two other players we already have.

Since: Mar 09

Jersey City, NJ

#34 Mar 9, 2009
jafo wrote:
Hey Tavares09, you have a great deal of insight and make very valid points about the team, for a 23 year old fan,probably as an older fan i don't have the same patience as i should, i would like to see this team, that i love,become very competitive, if not vieing for a cup in the very near future,as for players on the team,or prospects we may get in the draft, or in trades i dont share your optimism for their success in the short term, however i was impressed with their performance in today's game{Sunday}hopefully gordon's system may be finally getting through to them, time will tell, i just hope they dont go on a tear and miss getting the draft pick they so desperatly need, lol, who would you like for the isles to get either tavares or hedman, i guess by your avatar its tavares, but either player would be great to get, to add to KO, and one or two other players we already have.
They are getting great to watch. Its weird, though because I watch the games hoping to see action, but in the back of my head I want them to lose so we can get the draft pick. I almost want them to lose a 5-4 game so that the young guys can still generate offense, but then I also want the defense to play well and Danis to have a solid game. All in all, I like seeing them win but you're right...we need to keep losing.

If nothing else, I hope they play like that at home the rest of the season and stink on the road so the fans can see great games, we pull attendance and still finish low enough to get that top pick. Good thing Atlanta has been winning games as well...now we just have to worry about Tampa
jafo

New York, NY

#35 Mar 10, 2009
Tavares09 wrote:
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They are getting great to watch. Its weird, though because I watch the games hoping to see action, but in the back of my head I want them to lose so we can get the draft pick. I almost want them to lose a 5-4 game so that the young guys can still generate offense, but then I also want the defense to play well and Danis to have a solid game. All in all, I like seeing them win but you're right...we need to keep losing.
If nothing else, I hope they play like that at home the rest of the season and stink on the road so the fans can see great games, we pull attendance and still finish low enough to get that top pick. Good thing Atlanta has been winning games as well...now we just have to worry about Tampa

I agree with your post 100%, it would be great if they follow the scenario you have just mentioned here in your post, i too worry about them losing out on the picks {draft}they so desperately need to restart some of the dormant interest amongst us fans, and their own respectability around the league, i just wonder if they do end up with Tavares, they are going to need a little more muscle in the lineup, as other teams will take runs at him should he become a good goal scorer, it is the way hockey has been played, even though it has waned in the last decade, you still need a deterent, we wouldnt want to get him and then get hurt, i like Jackman but he is only a middleweight, need someone like Larocque,or Mike Tyson lol.

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