Good signs so far for Flyers

[Red Wings25]

DEV STARR wrote:

<quoted text>Wang it is impossible to help you with your problems ,if you continue to deny that you have none.. You must be a legend in your own mind if you think that you dont have these problems.. The proof is in your posts.... You would be a much better person if you could come to the point of admitting it and dealing with it... but it is up to you of course... Just trying to help...

Don't try to help someone you don't know personally...especially when that person doesn't need any help. You can call it denial all you want, but the thing is, I don't have an anger problem or any of these issues you've accused me of having. There's no 'proof' in my posts that would say i have problems. You're just making all this up about me, because you have nothing else to say or talk about. Don't try to 'help' me when i don't need it and have on issues to deal with. Can we actually talk about something else now (like hockey)?

Quit trying to get me to respond the way you want. It's not gonna happen.

[Red Wings25]

Sean Burke wrote:

Flyers = perpetual chokers

Yea okay, that's odd considering that the Flyers have only choked once in the playoffs following their stanley cups in 74 and 75 (they choked against the Devils in 2000...that was it). All of their other playoff losses were just due to losing to better teams or it wasn't their time.

[DEV STARR]

Red Wings25 wrote:

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Don't try to help someone you don't know personally...especially when that person doesn't need any help. You can call it denial all you want, but the thing is, I don't have an anger problem or any of these issues you've accused me of having. There's no 'proof' in my posts that would say i have problems. You're just making all this up about me, because you have nothing else to say or talk about. Don't try to 'help' me when i don't need it and have on issues to deal with. Can we actually talk about something else now (like hockey)?
Quit trying to get me to respond the way you want. It's not gonna happen.

It is true ,we dont know each other personally,but what you dont know is that I am a profiler,and I know you quite well... You ARE in need of help wang,....You just have to admit it ,then your healing will start....!

[DEV STARR]

Red Wings25 wrote:

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Yea okay, that's odd considering that the Flyers have only choked once in the playoffs following their stanley cups in 74 and 75 (they choked against the Devils in 2000...that was it). All of their other playoff losses were just due to losing to better teams or it wasn't their time.

You are in denial again wang....... The flys have been the favorites in all the playoff losses in the past few years,but have CHOKED,every time..... Take them orange glasses off and take a good look in the mirror.....

[Sean Burke]

Red Wings25 wrote:

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Yea okay, that's odd considering that the Flyers have only choked once in the playoffs following their stanley cups in 74 and 75 (they choked against the Devils in 2000...that was it). All of their other playoff losses were just due to losing to better teams or it wasn't their time.

You mean they didn't choke in 95 vs the Devils? or obviously 97 in the cup finals? or in 2006 to the Sabres (playing without 1/2 their Dmen)?

[DEV STARR]

Sean Burke wrote:

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You mean they didn't choke in 95 vs the Devils? or obviously 97 in the cup finals? or in 2006 to the Sabres (playing without 1/2 their Dmen)?

Thats right shawn,[according to wang] He believes the flys do no wrong,and are always playing against the refs,as well as the opposition... the flys can make dirty hits,and wang will misinturpret the hit into the cleanest thing since spicandspan.......thats the denial issue he has... so just try to play along with him,so he doesnt get angry again,and again....

[Red Wings25]

Sean Burke wrote:

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You mean they didn't choke in 95 vs the Devils? or obviously 97 in the cup finals? or in 2006 to the Sabres (playing without 1/2 their Dmen)?

In 1995, the Devils were the better team. They suffocated the Flyers offense, with their defense-first system of play. They went up 2-0 in that series and lost in game 6. The Flyers had home ice but jersey was the better team. It's the same thing with 1997. The Red Wings were just too overpowering with Yzerman, Shanhan, Federov, and Lidstrom. The Flyers were a 1-line show with Lindros, LeClair, and Renberg. You're not choking when you get swept 4-0. As for 2006, the Flyers were just old and slow and the new NHL was catching up to them. They weren't quick enough or balanced enough to keep up with Buffalo...that's shown by their losses in that series (3-2 in double OT, 8-2 in game 2, 4-0 in game 5, and 7-1 or something in game 6). The defensemen the Sabres were missing weren't really a problem, considering that they still had Brian Campbell (their best D-man at the time). The Flyers were headed towards their down year and a year of rebuilding at that point.

[Red Wings25]

DEV STARR wrote:

<quoted text>You are in denial again wang....... The flys have been the favorites in all the playoff losses in the past few years,but have CHOKED,every time..... Take them orange glasses off and take a good look in the mirror.....

Wow you have just contradicted yourself. In another thread you told me to face it that the Penguins are twice the team the Flyers are...yet, you now say that the Flyers have been favored to beat the Penguins in 2007-08 and 2008-09 postseason. That's not true. The Penguins have been heavily favored to beat the Flyers in the past two postseason runs by ESPN, Sports Illustrated, Fox Sports, CBS Sports, and TSN. You can't have it both ways.

[DEV STARR]

Red Wings25 wrote:

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Wow you have just contradicted yourself. In another thread you told me to face it that the Penguins are twice the team the Flyers are...yet, you now say that the Flyers have been favored to beat the Penguins in 2007-08 and 2008-09 postseason. That's not true. The Penguins have been heavily favored to beat the Flyers in the past two postseason runs by ESPN, Sports Illustrated, Fox Sports, CBS Sports, and TSN. You can't have it both ways.

Interesting that you talk about the pens,as favourites,yet last year you said that the flys would win because they were the best team...hmm,,,deny that wang...I did not mention the pens,so where did you come up with that.....??You are getting very eradic wang....Lets face it ,the flys have lost many playoff series in which they were supposed to be the favourites.......They have choked in the defense to forward areas...I think their biggest problem has been in goal.......They have tried to fix everything in the defense to forward positions,then ignored the big hole that has played net for them... this year they took a chance on a wingnut and just maybe got lucky with someone who could stop a puck in the playoffs.......we will see how that turns out....Hopefully he can stay on his meds... Now stop pulling this b.s. about pulling one line out of my response and building a mansion out of it....And please dont get angry over what I have just said....for your families sake...

[Red Wings25]

DEV STARR wrote:

<quoted text>Interesting that you talk about the pens,as favourites,yet last year you said that the flys would win because they were the best team...hmm,,,deny that wang...I did not mention the pens,so where did you come up with that.....??You are getting very eradic wang....Lets face it ,the flys have lost many playoff series in which they were supposed to be the favourites.......They have choked in the defense to forward areas...I think their biggest problem has been in goal.......They have tried to fix everything in the defense to forward positions,then ignored the big hole that has played net for them... this year they took a chance on a wingnut and just maybe got lucky with someone who could stop a puck in the playoffs.......we will see how that turns out....Hopefully he can stay on his meds... Now stop pulling this b.s. about pulling one line out of my response and building a mansion out of it....And please dont get angry over what I have just said....for your families sake...

I can do whatever i want...if that means pulling one line and disproving it, so be it. But yea, you did mention penguins in another thread. It was the thread made after the Pens beat the Flyers 5-4 earlier in the year. You claimed that the Pens were twice the team that the Flyers were and now you claim that the Flyers were apparently favored. I never said last year that the Flyers were a better team than the Penguins. I thought it was an even matchup. If we're only going based off the past 2 playoff appearances for the Flyers, I'd love to see the sources that favored the Flyers over any team. Even when the Flyers played the Caps in 2008, EVERYONE (from experts to fans) had the Capitals over the Flyers, but the Flyers won. The Habs were heavily favored against the Flyers, as well. Barry Melrose was the only one who picked the Flyers to win (in 7 games). The same goes for the Pens in 2008...no one picked the Flyers to win that series, because the Pens had too much going for them both offensively and defensively...and it showed. In 2009, the Penguins were again heavily favored because they were hot coming into the postseason and the Flyers were sputtering.

But if you have any sources that show the Flyers being favored, I'd love to see them.

[flyersfan12]

I would say the flyers are the best team in the east this year. Even with key injuries they continued to win. Emery has turned out to be a golie. Pronger has played as well as we thought he would comming into the season. It will come down to Flyers and Pens in the playoffs and I have to give edge to the Flyers. The funny thing is I dont think they have played their best hockey yet. I cant wait to see what the do at the deadline to improve the team. They have one of the best defencive corps in the nhl their top 4 are as good or better than anyones. They have many forwards who can score as well as be physical, overall there forwards are better than most teams. I would put the forwards that philly has agianst the Caps, Pens, Red Wings, and San Jose. The Goaltending that Emery has brought has been reliable something that cant be said in recent years with biron and the other dozen golies they have had in the last few years.

[DEV STARR]

Red Wings25 wrote:

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I can do whatever i want...if that means pulling one line and disproving it, so be it. But yea, you did mention penguins in another thread. It was the thread made after the Pens beat the Flyers 5-4 earlier in the year. You claimed that the Pens were twice the team that the Flyers were and now you claim that the Flyers were apparently favored. I never said last year that the Flyers were a better team than the Penguins. I thought it was an even matchup. If we're only going based off the past 2 playoff appearances for the Flyers, I'd love to see the sources that favored the Flyers over any team. Even when the Flyers played the Caps in 2008, EVERYONE (from experts to fans) had the Capitals over the Flyers, but the Flyers won. The Habs were heavily favored against the Flyers, as well. Barry Melrose was the only one who picked the Flyers to win (in 7 games). The same goes for the Pens in 2008...no one picked the Flyers to win that series, because the Pens had too much going for them both offensively and defensively...and it showed. In 2009, the Penguins were again heavily favored because they were hot coming into the postseason and the Flyers were sputtering.
But if you have any sources that show the Flyers being favored, I'd love to see them.

Oh the pens are more than an even up team with the flys...For you to even suggest that the flys are in the same league is evidence that your orange glasses are still on... and further more you figured that the flys would bully themselves over the pens.... haha...now dont get angry ,just because i disagreed with you wang...

[DEV STARR]

flyersfan12 wrote:

I would say the flyers are the best team in the east this year. Even with key injuries they continued to win. Emery has turned out to be a golie. Pronger has played as well as we thought he would comming into the season. It will come down to Flyers and Pens in the playoffs and I have to give edge to the Flyers. The funny thing is I dont think they have played their best hockey yet. I cant wait to see what the do at the deadline to improve the team. They have one of the best defencive corps in the nhl their top 4 are as good or better than anyones. They have many forwards who can score as well as be physical, overall there forwards are better than most teams. I would put the forwards that philly has agianst the Caps, Pens, Red Wings, and San Jose. The Goaltending that Emery has brought has been reliable something that cant be said in recent years with biron and the other dozen golies they have had in the last few years.

It appears you have orange glasses on too,with a big black smudge where you try to look through them.. Legally blind is the term that could be used for you... oh cant you see ''a'' on your keyboard ??? It is beside the ''s''.....it will help you spell goalie correctly......hehehe GOLIE ???What the he.. is that ??

[Red Wings25]

DEV STARR wrote:

<quoted text>Oh the pens are more than an even up team with the flys...For you to even suggest that the flys are in the same league is evidence that your orange glasses are still on... and further more you figured that the flys would bully themselves over the pens.... haha...now dont get angry ,just because i disagreed with you wang...

No, I was just disproving your claim that the Flyers have been favored in each of their series in the past 2 seasons. They haven't been favored against the Pens in the past 2 times they've faced them in the playoffs. Alot of the experts picked the Pens to win. As for my opinion, I think the Flyers are pretty even with the Pens. They've got more balance to their lineup with Hartnell, Giroux, James vanRiesmdyk, Briere, Richards, Carter, and Gagne. Pittsburgh, though, has the luxury of having two of the three best game breakers in the NHL, with Malkin and Crosby. But after those 2, it's a huge dropoff in talent with Fedotenko, Guerin, and Kunitz. Tyler Kennedy, though, seems like an emerging top-6 forward.

The Flyers defense is better than Pitt's because of having two elite defenders that they can put on seperate lines (Pronger and Timonen) and emerging blueliners with Matt Carle and Braydon Coburn. Obviously, Pitt has the advantage in goal with Fleury, but Emery has been doing well so far: 2.18 GAA and .922 save%.

Obviously, you won't agree with me...that's fine. There are alot of people who agree with me and some who don't. Some people will say that the Flyers offense is better because of depth, but others will say the Pens' offense is better because Crosby and Malkin just can't be ignored. Either opinion is fine.

Oh and I never said that the Flyers would bully their way past the Penguins..i just said that they would try to use their physical aggression and grit players to forecheck against the Pens' top players.

[flyersfan12]

DEV STARR wrote:

<quoted text>It appears you have orange glasses on too,with a big black smudge where you try to look through them.. Legally blind is the term that could be used for you... oh cant you see ''a'' on your keyboard ??? It is beside the ''s''.....it will help you spell goalie correctly......hehehe GOLIE ???What the he.. is that ??

How old does everyone think this guy is? Your an idiot, you clearly have nothing better to do, then post stuff that has nothing to do with the flyers. Shut the f_ck up.

[wwf]

he is fourteen.

[DEV STARR]

flyersfan12 wrote:

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How old does everyone think this guy is? Your an idiot, you clearly have nothing better to do, then post stuff that has nothing to do with the flyers. Shut the f_ck up.

According to your spelling prowess,I would say you are about 8 years of age with a diminished I.Q. of 22.... sorry flyboy but thats all you get... Did you used to play GOLIE ???heheheeee

[DEV STARR]

Red Wings25 wrote:

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No, I was just disproving your claim that the Flyers have been favored in each of their series in the past 2 seasons. They haven't been favored against the Pens in the past 2 times they've faced them in the playoffs. Alot of the experts picked the Pens to win. As for my opinion, I think the Flyers are pretty even with the Pens. They've got more balance to their lineup with Hartnell, Giroux, James vanRiesmdyk, Briere, Richards, Carter, and Gagne. Pittsburgh, though, has the luxury of having two of the three best game breakers in the NHL, with Malkin and Crosby. But after those 2, it's a huge dropoff in talent with Fedotenko, Guerin, and Kunitz. Tyler Kennedy, though, seems like an emerging top-6 forward.
The Flyers defense is better than Pitt's because of having two elite defenders that they can put on seperate lines (Pronger and Timonen) and emerging blueliners with Matt Carle and Braydon Coburn. Obviously, Pitt has the advantage in goal with Fleury, but Emery has been doing well so far: 2.18 GAA and .922 save%.
Obviously, you won't agree with me...that's fine. There are alot of people who agree with me and some who don't. Some people will say that the Flyers offense is better because of depth, but others will say the Pens' offense is better because Crosby and Malkin just can't be ignored. Either opinion is fine.
Oh and I never said that the Flyers would bully their way past the Penguins..i just said that they would try to use their physical aggression and grit players to forecheck against the Pens' top players.

O.k. I will play your game wang...Who are these experts that say all these things ??flyersfan12 ?? an eight year old tard ??? Pronger is old,dont count on him being too helpful in the playoffs after 80 games...Bully flys ? or aggresive flys ?? Painting over a rotten piece of wood might make the wood look nicer,but it is still rotten... Painting these flythugs,with the AGGRESIVE title is a sham...Dirty hits described by flyfans as aggresive is a scam..Keep painting flychildren.

[Red Wings25]

DEV STARR wrote:

<quoted text>O.k. I will play your game wang...Who are these experts that say all these things ??flyersfan12 ?? an eight year old tard ??? Pronger is old,dont count on him being too helpful in the playoffs after 80 games...Bully flys ? or aggresive flys ?? Painting over a rotten piece of wood might make the wood look nicer,but it is still rotten... Painting these flythugs,with the AGGRESIVE title is a sham...Dirty hits described by flyfans as aggresive is a scam..Keep painting flychildren.

Okay, fine. The experts that picked the Penguins over the Flyers were: Scott Burnside (ESPN hockey), Pierre Lebrun (ESPN hockey), John Buccigross (ESPN), Wes Goldstein (CBS Sports), Alan Muir (Sports Illustrated hockey), the majority of the cbs sports hockey analysts, Darren Pang (Fox Sports). The only person who picked the Flyers over the Penguins in 2009 was Barry Melrose. No one picked the Flyers to beat them in 2008. All of the Pittsburgh Tribune writers for the Penguins picked the Penguins in 5. Even 3 out of the 4 Flyers' writers in Philadelphia picked the Penguins to beat the Flyers in 2009.

The Flyers were never favored to beat the Penguins in any of the two playoff series. In 2008, it was because Pittsburgh had too much going on both offensively and defensively and because the Flyers defense was battered with injuries (they were missing their top 2 defensemen at the time). In 2009, the Penguins were favored because they finished the season 18-3-1 (something like that) and the Flyers stumbled down the stretch, going 1 game over .500 (11-10-1) or something like that.

[Red Wings25]

And one more thing, about Pronger...you say he's old. I agree, he's 35 years old and his best years are behind him. Still, he's put up 17 points in the first 16 games of the season. He's got 4 goals, 13 assists, for a +13. He's second to Jeff Carter in points, and second to Matt Carle in +/- (Carle is a +17). I think he'll be fine come playoff time, cause look at Nik Lidstrom. He's arguably the Red Wings' most valuable player and was critical for them reaching the Finals two straight years and winning it all in 2008. He's also 39. Players like Lidstrom and Pronger are able to remain productive in the regular season and postseason, even up into their late 30s because their special players. It's the same with guys like Ovechkin, Malkin, and Crosby (as forwards). They're going to remain productive well into their late 30s. They won't put up numbers like they did in their primes, but they'll still put up impressive numbers.