Disease may force closure of bat caves

Disease may force closure of bat caves

There are 26 comments on the Carlsbad Current-Argus story from Jul 16, 2010, titled Disease may force closure of bat caves. In it, Carlsbad Current-Argus reports that:

Federal officials are considering whether to close bat caves in the western U.S. to help prevent the spread of a disease that is fatal to the flying mammal Carlsbad Caverns National Park officials said the disease has not as yet affected the bats at the park.

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kelly

Carlsbad, NM

#1 Jul 16, 2010
thats the only thing that keep lil ol carlsbad gonig is the caverns if it werent for them no more tourists
Comment

Hobbs, NM

#3 Jul 17, 2010
When I have family and friends come in the town, they always like to go to the caverns and see the bat flight.

As of lately the bat flights have not been very good very few bats flying out not like they used to be.
And the Quality of Park Rangers there has dropped a lot of them seem to be clueless about a lot of things.

There was one Ranger from Carlsbad that worked out there for 20 or more years, he knew an awful lot about the caverns and the bats, we always enjoyed his bat flights very informative and he had a sense of humor.

We always enjoy talking with him; he no longer works for the Park Service the Superintendent forced him to leave.
Carlsbad Resident

Hobbs, NM

#4 Jul 17, 2010
The Superintendent forced him to leave. WHY ?
JWH

Carlsbad, NM

#5 Jul 17, 2010
This story must be government BS. Tell me how you close a cave to bats to cure something without killing the bats? Seems like the cure would kill more bats than the fungus.
Carlsbat Caver

Lubbock, TX

#6 Jul 18, 2010
who was this ranger?.....I think i remember him
NPS

Hobbs, NM

#7 Jul 19, 2010
Carlsbat Caver You should remember him he was real tall and he helped whenever you guys did restoration event in uniform He supported you guys big-time.
KICA Ranger

Carlsbad, NM

#8 Jul 19, 2010
NPS wrote:
Carlsbat Caver You should remember him he was real tall and he helped whenever you guys did restoration event in uniform He supported you guys big-time.
Probably Dale Smith or Roque Garcia- Both fine rangers and gentlemen. Neither had college degrees, but both were very friendly and helpful to visitors and both knew the Caverns inside and out. Unfortunately, public relation skills are not emphasized to the new group of rangers, nor are those skills valued nearly as much as science or history knowledge. Some of the younger rangers at the caverns, guadalupe mountains and white sands are great in all areas, others however, see themselves as "envirocops" and treat visitors as inmates rather than guests.
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You undoubtably and unfortunately ran into the latter type of ranger- too bad. With our agency's limited funds, all of our staff in the NPS need to be accomodating and friendly, even when a visitor steps off the trail or leans against a rock. There is a more positive way (as opposed to the riot act approach) to teaching people to comply with rules.
X NPS

Hobbs, NM

#9 Jul 19, 2010
KICA Ranger wrote:
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Probably Dale Smith or Roque Garcia- Both fine rangers and gentlemen. Neither had college degrees, but both were very friendly and helpful to visitors and both knew the Caverns inside and out. Unfortunately, public relation skills are not emphasized to the new group of rangers, nor are those skills valued nearly as much as science or history knowledge. Some of the younger rangers at the caverns, guadalupe mountains and white sands are great in all areas, others however, see themselves as "envirocops" and treat visitors as inmates rather than guests.
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You undoubtably and unfortunately ran into the latter type of ranger- too bad. With our agency's limited funds, all of our staff in the NPS need to be accomodating and friendly, even when a visitor steps off the trail or leans against a rock. There is a more positive way (as opposed to the riot act approach) to teaching people to comply with rules.
You hit the nail right on the head; I worked with both of them for years.

I do not know what it was, but the visitors loved them, and they always got good comment letters that is one of the things that drove other park rangers out their crazy particularly the ones that hung out with the upper management i.e. superintendent and he is click.

What happened to Rangers Smith should not have happened he was just doing what he had been trained to do, and had been doing all those 24 years.

It was deliberate discrimination by the Superintendent. And Regional Director also OPM.

Dale Smith is the only ranger that was successful in using CPR for a very long time, at the worst possible place in the caverns, and that visitor lived.

There was a big Current Argus article also Albuquerque newspaper written up about it.

And one other interesting thing about Ranger Smith he was documented handicapped !!
Carlsbat Caver

Lubbock, TX

#10 Jul 19, 2010
Smith is and was mentally handicapped ..he couldnt hack the changes in the system....he was a moron with visitors...Garcia never got 200ft into the bigroom because he was showing off his shadows....and talking..but the people did like him
Carlsbat Caver

Lubbock, TX

#11 Jul 19, 2010
and as for 24 years?..not so..several of those were spent as a seasonal...not fulltime
X NPS

Hobbs, NM

#12 Jul 19, 2010
Carlsbat Caver wrote:
Smith is and was mentally handicapped ..he couldnt hack the changes in the system....he was a moron with visitors...Garcia never got 200ft into the bigroom because he was showing off his shadows....and talking..but the people did like him
Not for a mentally handicapped moron seasonal help train permanent Park Rangers to be future supervisors that supervised him and Help pioneer the routes for the off trail tours are going today.

You sound like the very kind that clicked with the Supervisors and Superintendent
A NOSE SUCK UP.

That is what is wrong with the Park Service today nothing but a bunch of brown nose suck ups trying to get up the ladder.

And it is correct that Ranger Smith only had a high school diploma, he did not want a doctorate in proctology like the rest of the suck up brown noses.
LOL

Carlsbad, NM

#13 Jul 20, 2010
now now Mr. Smith...settle down
eX Ranger Smith

Hobbs, NM

#14 Jul 21, 2010
I learned about this on the 20th yesterday.

eX Ranger Smith here, talking about off-topic, this whole thing was about bats and white nose fungus, Not human brown nose fungus.

I do not know what the big curiosity is about the date when I did CPR on Mr. Edward Holtam, it was September 7, 1990 the article was Friday, September 14, 1990.
I did compressions and breathing for about 25 minutes during this time he came in and out of cardiac arrest three times.
And then Ranger Lisa Gonzales arrived between the two of us we saved him.
I received Christmas card from Mr. Edward Holtam for several years’ pictures of him and his grandchildren thinking me.

Clarification about being chased off by the Superintendent, I started working at the caverns January 1980 up and tell November 2007.
All of my work appraisals were satisfactory or above satisfactory this presented a problem.
At the time there was big-time staff reduction occurring at the caverns a new visitor center way over budget and other big problems to save money.
I was considered deadwood all of a sudden what I had been doing all does years working out there became unsatisfactory, and then I was railroaded out of the Park Service by the Superintendent and chief of interpretation. Government Discrimination which is legal to do.

But through the Union and Federal Courts I was reinstated and then retired.

To clarify my handicap, My handicap is I am Dyslexic and it is documented by the Park Service and Department of Defense and New Mexico Division of Vocational Rehabilitation. That I am dyslexic handicapped.

I use Voice Recognition software to type this with.

I hope this helps to clear things up.
batsos

Carlsbad, NM

#15 Jul 27, 2010
I remember him Dam good ranger
Carlsbat Caver

Lubbock, TX

#16 Oct 9, 2010
Good story Smith.....the only problem is you didnt metion you COULDNT keep up with the changes...new leadership at CACA was making changes from the old ranger style to a more professional style...Mr. Smith was not capable. Treated visitors like they were idiots.
In the know

Carlsbad, NM

#17 Oct 9, 2010
After Dave Wyrick left (he was born and raised here), many Rangers did not like the new changes and did not want to put up with all the stupid changes from the one person who took over Dave's job and they also left angry. It's a hard job and to keep dealing with all the traveling each day (60 miles).
Some Rangers start working at the Cave and they are ready to leave after one year.
So, Dale was very tough to be able to do it over 20 years. It's called burnout, and a lot of them have it in interpretation.
When I would go see the Cave, Dale was very helpful to me and I considered him a good friend.
But, all the interps out there now are the greatest and very friendly.
Carlsbat Caver

Lubbock, TX

#18 Oct 10, 2010
60 miles a day? ya better check again...25 mile round trip....Smiths saga started way before Wyrick. Wyrick was a terrible supervisor. Ballou was probably the best they had long ago.
Ranger Smith

Hobbs, NM

#19 Oct 11, 2010
Ranger Dale Smith here Carlsbad Caverns is one of the most profound and beautiful resources in the world, the Park has so much to offer to the public, all of the years I worked out their I did everything I could do good for the visitors and the resource.

I could see change occurring, some of the change was good like the stainless steel hand rails and the new nonslip trail surface, this was for visitor safety and protection of the resource, during my off-season this is what I did handrails and trails all-night.

This comment about me treating visitors disrespectful and like idiots not true, when there is over a half a million people each year, and you are walking against traffic everyday you see a lot of people 99% of them are going by the rules 1% they are not .
When I have another visitors complaining about other visitors being disrespectful towards them interfering with their right to enjoy the caverns, I would do my very best to comply, knowing if I confront these disrespectful visitors and get a complaint, because I discipline them, I would get no support from management because I knew they were documenting to get rid of me I listen to the gossip to.

“””This is the reason why I am no longer with the Park Service””” because I did what I was supposed to do, I would comply too other visitors complaints.

Every time I got a complaint, the gossip grape Vine would slander me, and it would get back to me.

So I got railroaded out of the Park service for doing my Park Ranger duty, I got too many complaints.

The other Rangers to avoid complaints against them would look the other way, because they know they would get no support from management, the visitor is always right.

This thing about me not being able to -deal with all the changes - not true, I was having a problem with no support from supervisors and law enforcement, too many things were being ignored, causing problems with visitors enjoyment and safety, also inside the caverns too much resource damage occurring, and I knew the reasons why.
My world was inside the cavern, all the change was on the surface a new visitor center and all of that chaos.

David Wyrick was also one of the very best supervisors out there also my supervisor; he understood that his crews were human and seek out their strengths and weaknesses utilize their strengths and fixed their weaknesses, he was a real true supervisor and friend to his crews.
Doug Ballou and David Wyrick always supported their people if somebody screwed up it was dealt with fairness. To them it was not an opportunity to bash and destroyed that employee’s dignity.

One other thing I am documented handicapped through New Mexico and federal and they still railroaded me of the Park service.
NPS

Hobbs, NM

#20 Oct 11, 2010
Carlsbat Caver wrote:
60 miles a day? ya better check again...25 mile round trip....Smiths saga started way before Wyrick. Wyrick was a terrible supervisor. Ballou was probably the best they had long ago.
25 mile round trip. Not!

It is 27.8 miles one way.
NPS

Hobbs, NM

#21 Oct 11, 2010
In the know wrote:
After Dave Wyrick left (he was born and raised here), many Rangers did not like the new changes and did not want to put up with all the stupid changes from the one person who took over Dave's job and they also left angry. It's a hard job and to keep dealing with all the traveling each day (60 miles).
Some Rangers start working at the Cave and they are ready to leave after one year.
So, Dale was very tough to be able to do it over 20 years. It's called burnout, and a lot of them have it in interpretation.
When I would go see the Cave, Dale was very helpful to me and I considered him a good friend.
But, all the interps out there now are the greatest and very friendly.
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