Turkey and the Dream of Ottoman Revival

Turkey and the Dream of Ottoman Revival

There are 90 comments on the Hudson Institute story from May 17, 2013, titled Turkey and the Dream of Ottoman Revival. In it, Hudson Institute reports that:

Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu recently visited Diyarbakir, the most important Kurdish city in Turkey's troubled Southeast.

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Solomon

Keswick, Canada

#64 Oct 20, 2013
Ottoman Sultan wrote:
The Ottoman Empire is destined to arise again, this time from the ashes of Europe.
Wet dream of every Muslim, which never ever materialize!
Peace for all

Calgary, Canada

#65 Oct 21, 2013
My late father always used to teach me about the grandness of the Ottoman Empire right during my childhood.In Canada my best social activities went on with Turkish people. I have found Turkish women very pretty and their men as very trustworthy and reliable friends.
I will not wish anything against Ottoman revival.If Russia and China can unite and be heard as substantial nations together interposing to get demands met in the face of sole super power America.
Today, it all boils down to your access to oil and gas energy and Russia and China together do not stand that low in use of oil, gas and power.
But, Turkey will have to stand together with the world's biggest reserves holder of combined oil and gas, plus it has to make 75 percent Turkish blood central Asia stand united with it.That way united Turkistan along with Iran together can have some say to be heard.
But, is that union far from reality. I think that America on one side and Russia and China together on the other side will make the world run with some comparative balance.Islamic world is far from unity and far behind technically.They cannot produce their own oil and gas even when they have it under ground.American engineering and technology first and Russia and China together as distant second run the world's energy show and tell the world about the balance of power.Strike on Syria was averted mainly because of this balance of peace strength(not war capacity sin balance).
BUT, DANCING TURKISH DELIGHTS AND DEER EYE LIKE PERSIANAS ARE THE BEST THING TO MY HEART FOR HAPPINESS REASONS.
Gavur

Sydney, Australia

#66 Oct 21, 2013
Solomon wrote:
<quoted text>
Wet dream of every Muslim, which never ever materialize!
LOL..Well said,the morons have passed the peak already,time for their decline, LOL
nnnnn

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#68 Oct 22, 2013
And "uyghur" are real Turkic.
Juist to let you know that thre is no such thing called Turks, or Turkish language.
The (Turk) is just a fake name.

Even so called Turkish language has 40% Arabic vocabularies, and the rest are Kurdish, Armenian, Greek, Bulkan, Caucasian..etc
Yunan gavuru

Athens, Greece

#69 Oct 22, 2013
Turk Expat wrote:
The Ottoman Empire is indeed on its way back in the world stage.
And Europe is feeling the heat.
you are proud TURD because...
1. Turkey: One in three brides is a child!
.
In today Erdogan's Turdey marriages old men with underage girls are " flourishing ". In every three marriages taking place in the country, one is with a minor little girl as a bride. According to revealing article in the Turkish newspaper , Ayd&#305;nl&#305;k, the last three years, 134.629 minor girls were led by their parents forced marriage , usually older people who actually buy the little girls from their parents, committing essentially obvious but legal pedophilia!
.
2. Fcking Innocent Animals
turd and chicken!
http://taxalia.blogspot.com/2010/06/blog-post ...

turd and duck!
http://taxalia.blogspot.com/2012/09/blog-post ...

turd and cow!
http://taxalia.blogspot.com/2012/09/80.html
.
3. GREEKS FCK YOUR GIRLS
.
WHO WAS FACKING TUHCE KAZAZ FOR 3 YEARS? A GREEK ACTOR
WHO FACKS NESHAN MULAZIM? A GREEK FOOTBALLER
http://www.espressonews.gr/%CF%80%CE%B5%CF%81 ...
.
4. YOU HAVE GAY ARMY
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2012/03/493341 ...
.
SURE IT'S HAPPINESS TO BE A TURD!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA
.
5. YOU HAVE A USELESS "ATA"
Ataturk failed to govern even 10 people, Turkish professor says
December 16, 2010 | 13:57

One of the professors of Turkish Sabanci University Cemil Kocak delivered a scandalous speech at a conference dedicated to the Canakkale war.

Speaking at the conference, Kocak repeatedly placed emphasis on “lieutenant colonel Mustafa” phrase, Aksam reported. One of the participants asked whether he meant Kemal Ataturk by saying Mustafa.

“Lieutenant colonel Mustafa was dismissed for being unaccomplished and talentless. It was a mere coincidence that he became a historical figure. Lieutenant colonel Mustafa did not govern even 5-10 people. If he were not lucky he would spend his life in the corner of a cafe',” he said, adding that Germans, not Turks won the battle of Canakkale.
http://news.am/eng/news/41941.html
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YOUR "ATA" WAS A BOSTARD
ZOOM TO THE PHOTO
DOCUMENTS 2
LANGUAGE: "TURKISH"
.
1. IN ARABIC LETTERS
2. IN LATIN LETTERS
.
JUST ZOOM AND READ
.
Kemal was a b@st@rd!!!!
.
so
turds are the...
B@STA@RD-oglus
.
AND NEVER FORGET
.
“the destruction of the Turkish Nation is a requirement of the law of nature and will contribute to the progress of civilization,”
CHARLES DARWIN
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THE NAME OF THE GAME IS TURDISH HUMILIATION
.
DO YOU WANT MORE BANANAS FOR YOUR AZZZZ, TURD?
nnnnn

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#70 Oct 22, 2013
Yunan gavuru wrote:
<quoted text>
you are proud TURD because...
1. Turkey: One in three brides is a child!
.
In today Erdogan's Turdey marriages old men with underage girls are " flourishing ". In every three marriages taking place in the country, one is with a minor little girl as a bride. According to revealing article in the Turkish newspaper , Ayd&#305;nl&#305;k, the last three years, 134.629 minor girls were led by their parents forced marriage , usually older people who actually buy the little girls from their parents, committing essentially obvious but legal pedophilia!
.
2. Fcking Innocent Animals
turd and chicken!
http://taxalia.blogspot.com/2010/06/blog-post ...
turd and duck!
http://taxalia.blogspot.com/2012/09/blog-post ...
turd and cow!
http://taxalia.blogspot.com/2012/09/80.html
.
3. GREEKS FCK YOUR GIRLS
.
WHO WAS FACKING TUHCE KAZAZ FOR 3 YEARS? A GREEK ACTOR
WHO FACKS NESHAN MULAZIM? A GREEK FOOTBALLER
http://www.espressonews.gr/%CF%80%CE%B5%CF%81 ...
.
4. YOU HAVE GAY ARMY
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2012/03/493341 ...
.
SURE IT'S HAPPINESS TO BE A TURD!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA
.
5. YOU HAVE A USELESS "ATA"
Ataturk failed to govern even 10 people, Turkish professor says
December 16, 2010 | 13:57
One of the professors of Turkish Sabanci University Cemil Kocak delivered a scandalous speech at a conference dedicated to the Canakkale war.
Speaking at the conference, Kocak repeatedly placed emphasis on “lieutenant colonel Mustafa” phrase, Aksam reported. One of the participants asked whether he meant Kemal Ataturk by saying Mustafa.
“Lieutenant colonel Mustafa was dismissed for being unaccomplished and talentless. It was a mere coincidence that he became a historical figure. Lieutenant colonel Mustafa did not govern even 5-10 people. If he were not lucky he would spend his life in the corner of a cafe',” he said, adding that Germans, not Turks won the battle of Canakkale.
http://news.am/eng/news/41941.html
.
YOUR "ATA" WAS A BOSTARD
ZOOM TO THE PHOTO
DOCUMENTS 2
LANGUAGE: "TURKISH"
.
1. IN ARABIC LETTERS
2. IN LATIN LETTERS
.
JUST ZOOM AND READ
.
Kemal was a b@st@rd!!!!
.
so
turds are the...
B@STA@RD-oglus
.
AND NEVER FORGET
.
“the destruction of the Turkish Nation is a requirement of the law of nature and will contribute to the progress of civilization,”
CHARLES DARWIN
.
THE NAME OF THE GAME IS TURDISH HUMILIATION
.
DO YOU WANT MORE BANANAS FOR YOUR AZZZZ, TURD?
Greece is a great civilization, and great history.
So called Turkey is zero, it has no civilization, and it made by UK in 1923, so what do we expect?
By the way, i study Greek philosophy in the college, and i respect your great history.
We Arabs respect Greece. The Arabs are the only people who destroyed Ottogay kingdom.

Fuck all Turks
xyz

Toronto, Canada

#71 Oct 22, 2013
Greeks dream of Ottoman Empire also. Greeks lived better then than now.
Peace for all

Calgary, Canada

#72 Oct 22, 2013
I talked to a Brit and he was yearning for past grandness of the British Empire during Queen Victoria, who ruled over the biggest area and population compared to any of the past and present sole super powers(five in all).

Every person or nation is naturally nostalgic about its grand old days, only wishing that time swings back.

I would'nt blame the Turks for being nostalgic about their grand sole super power called the Ottoman Empire. Nor you can blame the Persians, the Romans, the British for thinking about how grand they were like America of today.

We gleefully and peacefully enjoin all our grands of the past as well as of present as long as they keep peace for our dear human race.

LOVE AND PEACE TO ALL HUMANITY WITH ITS VERY GRANDFULLY TOP ONES AS WELL WITH PEACE FOR ALL NOTIONS.
Yunan gavuru

Athens, Greece

#73 Oct 23, 2013
nnnnn wrote:
<quoted text>
Greece is a great civilization, and great history.
So called Turkey is zero, it has no civilization, and it made by UK in 1923, so what do we expect?
By the way, i study Greek philosophy in the college, and i respect your great history.
We Arabs respect Greece. The Arabs are the only people who destroyed Ottogay kingdom.
Fuck all Turks
we totally agree my friend
Yunan gavuru

Athens, Greece

#74 Oct 23, 2013
xyz wrote:
Greeks dream of Ottoman Empire also. Greeks lived better then than now.
any proof of what you claim, or just blah blah?

Since: Apr 14

Astoria, NY

#75 Apr 29, 2014
I really hope for the Islamic awakening for the Turkic nation!!!! Do not let zionist destroy you!
Enver Pasa

Sydney, Australia

#76 Apr 29, 2014
AnaArabi1 wrote:
I really hope for the Islamic awakening for the Turkic nation!!!! Do not let zionist destroy you!
That was our dream also when we bombed Russia for no reason on 29 Oct 1914 to force Russia declare war on us so that we could declare a Fake Jihad.
That is exactly what happened and we managed to destroy the 600 year old Ottoman empire and then escaped like coward petty criminals to hide in Germany.
The only thing we could succeed was the 1915 Genocide.
Allah-u ekber.
Rabbeen Al Jihad

Salt Lake City, UT

#77 May 2, 2014
Shamma wrote:
…13And the LORD God said to the woman, What is this that you have done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. 14And the LORD God said to the serpent, Because you have done this, you are cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; on your belly shall you go, and dust shall you eat all the days of your life: 15And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; it shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.
SaLaamZ Deer ShammY ! LOL! You should be totally ashamed of yourself! First;For posting another JesusRant.And second; makeing that JesusRant WAY...TOO....SMALL ! I expected at least ONE...FULL...PAGE ! Shameful! Start over! and this time make it at least 400 words of mindnumbing bovine excriment instead of 100 or less. LOL! CheerZ
Fact

Sydney, Australia

#79 May 2, 2014
xyz wrote:
Greeks dream of Ottoman Empire also. Greeks lived better then than now.
Also don't forget without the elite minorities like Greeks and Armenians who played a major role in commerce and trade, return of a Grand Empire is impossible.
Ftg

Magdeburg, Germany

#81 May 3, 2014
They have it already Erdgan on the throne - eternally too just like dynasty of Ottoman, it is monodynasty of Erdogan.
Danny

Keswick, Canada

#82 May 3, 2014
Ottoman Sultan wrote:
The Ottoman Empire is destined to arise again, this time from the ashes of Europe.
Dream on fake Sultan! Ottoman Empire's systematic extermination of its minority Armenian Christian subjects from their historic homeland in the territory constituting the present-day Republic of Turkey. It took place during and after World War I and was implemented in two phases: the wholesale killing of the able-bodied male population through massacre and forced labor, and the deportation of women, children, the elderly and infirm on death marches to the Syrian Desert. The total number of people killed as a result has been estimated at between 2 and 2.5 million. Apart from these people, Other indigenous and Christian ethnic groups such as the Assyrians, the Greeks and other minority groups were similarly targeted for extermination by the Ottoman government, and their treatment is considered by many historians to be part of the same genocidal policy.
If this Empire tries to rise up again, the world powers of USA, Russia, Australia, India, China and Europe will unite as one unit and crush it the bottom of the hell hole.
Danny

Keswick, Canada

#83 May 3, 2014
Reasons for the fall of Ottoman Empire:
Ottoman sultans were engaged in sexual pleasure after conquering the empire.The Padishahs [Turkish Sultans] had “become invisible.” Many of them had been reared in the harem in strict seclusion until totally bereft of any political education. They were incessantly trembling for their lives, until some revolution called them not to the bowstring but to supreme power. The Sultans had now ceased to preside at the council of viziers, to hear litigants, or to enjoy any opportunity to get unbiased reports about bad deeds of their officials.

Along with this evil, there went the inordinate influences of harem women and of eunuchs.

Even if these persons were not iniquitous, they had never the least ideas of what might benefit the state. Frequently their intrigues could induce the Sultan to depose or even to bowstring [strangle with a bowstring] a highly competent vizier.“The Sultan governs no longer; the grand vizier is hindered in governing; the power is actually in the hands of Negro eunuchs and purchased slave-girls.” This of course was hardly true of the two great Kiuprili viziers, but it never ceased to be a constant danger.

The outrageous taxation of the subjects, especially of the Christian rayahs,[a person who is not Mohammedan], wrought general demoralization. The imperial officials increased taxes at pleasure, and often levied new and unauthorized imposts.“The tears of the oppressed will drown the Empire in waves of perdition.” All this in other words, meant economic decline and fiscal demoralization.
yarrak ye yunan

United States

#84 May 4, 2014
Why these maymun eshak spoke
TRUTHlover

Earlwood, Australia

#85 May 4, 2014
Every person, ethnic group or nation has the right to dream... you have to have a great vision to accomplish great things...

However, some will only dream and live in the past, as do Armenians, Greeks etc...
Or like the Turk, especially during the past 10 years bravely 'tackle the bull by its horns'(take direct actions) to establish Turkey again as at least a regional power...

Turkey is not interested to occupy foreign territories, however, to occupy her deserved place in history...

The ones, which scream here the most, are the most envy ones and the losers in this Global 'game'...

Greece, Armenia etc... surely have/had proud histories... until the Turk turned up in Asia Minor...

But nobody can disregard also the proud history of these Turks, which conquered and governed 3 continents at once... which of these anti-Turkey countries can claims the same in their history?

There is a major difference between these nations and Turkey, like them Turkey can refer to a proud history in the past, however, unlike them, Turkey has also a very promising future ahead...

You call this 'the dream of Ottoman Revival'? You can not punish somebody of having a proud past... it is not a dream ... it is a Vision...

Cheers,
TRUTHlover

Earlwood, Australia

#86 May 4, 2014
Danny wrote:
Reasons for the fall of Ottoman Empire:
Ottoman sultans were engaged in sexual pleasure after conquering the empire.The Padishahs [Turkish Sultans] had “become invisible.” Many of them had been reared in the harem in strict seclusion until totally bereft of any political education. They were incessantly trembling for their lives, until some revolution called them not to the bowstring but to supreme power. The Sultans had now ceased to preside at the council of viziers, to hear litigants, or to enjoy any opportunity to get unbiased reports about bad deeds of their officials.
Along with this evil, there went the inordinate influences of harem women and of eunuchs.
Even if these persons were not iniquitous, they had never the least ideas of what might benefit the state. Frequently their intrigues could induce the Sultan to depose or even to bowstring [strangle with a bowstring] a highly competent vizier.“The Sultan governs no longer; the grand vizier is hindered in governing; the power is actually in the hands of Negro eunuchs and purchased slave-girls.” This of course was hardly true of the two great Kiuprili viziers, but it never ceased to be a constant danger.
The outrageous taxation of the subjects, especially of the Christian rayahs,[a person who is not Mohammedan], wrought general demoralization. The imperial officials increased taxes at pleasure, and often levied new and unauthorized imposts.“The tears of the oppressed will drown the Empire in waves of perdition.” All this in other words, meant economic decline and fiscal demoralization.
Danny,
Partially you certainly are right ...

However, please do not forget to mention that the Imperial Officials you refer to were often Christians, especially e.g. in Romania the Ottoman Official leadership was made up of Greeks and partially Armenians, in Greece they were again Greeks and Armenians, in Cyprus they all were Greeks from the main land and so on ...

Thus these Christian Ottoman officials misused their power, however, the Turks are now blamed for it...

Cheers,

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