Forensic experts prove extermination center fraud

[Greg Gerdes]

Forensic Experts Prove Holocaust Gas Chamber Myth a “Sheer Impossibility”

NO DIESEL GASSINGS AT TREBLINKA

a working draft paper authored by Walter Lüftl, President of the Austrian Federal Chamber of Engineers, described mass murder with diesel exhaust as a “sheer impossibility.” He substantiated his view as to the relative harmlessness of diesel exhaust… there are no known deaths in cars or trucks with diesel engines! Every night across the world, tens of thousands of truck drivers sleep in their truck cabs with the diesel engines running throughout the night – there is no evidence of even one trucker dying. It never happens. There are no known diesel suicides either… The new 'revised' version of the Holocaust story is even more absurd than the old version. The diesel gas chamber claim is rubbish… Although it would have been theoretically possible to commit the deeds alleged for Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka with diesel engines… It would be hard to imagine a mass murder method more awkward and inefficient. Even if some deranged minds had tried for a time to commit murder with diesel exhaust, after a few tries it would have become apparent to even the most demented fiend that something far better was needed. The idea that the National Socialists actually used such a method is preposterous. It never happened!”

Full article here:

http://www.nazigassings.com/dieselgaschambera...

[Greg Gerdes]

I would like to publicly challenge all the freaks at holocaust contorversies to debate this issue openly here on topix.

Will little Jonny Harrison, Sergay Romanov, Dick Terry and Roberta Dullenkamp defend their impossible tall tales of magically disapearing jews in an open forum, without the benifit of one of their own moderating the debate?

We'll soon see.

[Greg Gerdes]

Lest you think there must be some truth to the alleged pure extermination center canard (That’s the psychology of the big-lie technique at work)

NAFCASH TM is offering an $80,000.00 REWARD

For locating JUST ONE of the alleged “HUGE MASS GRAVES” of Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor or Treblinka.

NAFCASH TM presents

THE FINAL SOLUTION FORENSIC CHALLENGE TM

You must prove the grave’s EXACT location, its EXACT dimensions and its EXACT volumetric density.

The cremated remains must total at least one percent of the alleged mass murder.

JUST ONE CAMP!- JUST ONE MASS GRAVE!- JUST ONE PERCENT!

See all the details here:

http://www.nafcash.com/

Will the holocaust controversies freaks accept nafcash's challenge? Will they try to defend their asinine claim that 2.14 million jews were murdered and buried without leaving a trace on a forum they don't control? We'll see, but they have a history of refusing to defend their magically disapearing jew theory in an open and fair debate.

I'm waiting for you here on topix Roberta Dullenkamp!

No Graves = No Extermination Centers

[Greg Gerdes]

Ground Penetrating Radar Examination Exposes “Extermination Center” Fraud

NO TRACE OF MASS GRAVES FOUND AT TREBLINKA

A detailed forensic examination of the site of the wartime Treblinka camp, using sophisticated electronic ground radar, has found no evidence of mass graves there. For six days in October 1999, an Australian forensics team headed by Richard Krege, a qualified electronics engineer, carried out an examination of the soil at the site of the former Treblinka II camp in Poland where, holocaust historians claim, 870,000 Jews were put to death in gas chambers and then buried in huge mass graves. Krege said:“From these scans we could clearly identify the largely undisturbed horizontal stratigraphic layering, better known as horizons, of the soil under the camp site. We know from scans of gravesites and other sites with known soil disturbances, such as quarries, when this natural layering is massively disrupted or missing altogether. Because normal geological processes are very slow acting, disruption of the soil structure would have been detectable even after 60 years. Historians say that the bodies were exhumed and cremated toward the end of the Treblinka camp’s use in 1943, but we found no indication that any mass graves ever existed.”

According to the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust (1997), a total of 870,000 people were allegedly killed with diesel exhaust and buried at Treblinka between July 1942 and April 1943. Then, between April and July 1943, the hundreds of thousands of corpses were allegedly dug up and burned on large grids made of railroad rails. Krege’s team used an $80,000.00 GROUND PENETRATION RADAR (GPR) device, which sends out vertical radar signals that are visible on a computer monitor. GPR detects any large-scale disturbances in the soil structure to a normal effective depth of four or five meters.(GPR is routinely used around the world by geologists, archeologists and police.) In its Treblinka investigation, the team carefully examined the entire Treblinka II site, especially the alleged “mass graves” portion, but found no evidence of individual graves, bone remains, human ashes or wood ashes.

No Graves = No Treblinka holocaust

Perhaps Roberto Mullenkamp, who actually believes that there are "huge mass graves" at Treblinka, would like to show us where they are? How about just one of them Roberta? Just one mass grave that contains the alleged remains of just one percent of the alleged 870,000 jews that are allegedly buried at Treblinka.

After all, anyone in their right mind wouldn't believe that it's possible to "totally obliterate" the remians of 870,000 people by simply covering them with a layer of soil.

Right Roberta?

[Greg Gerdes]

Here is just another sample of what Roberta Dullenkamp and her ilk at holocaust controversies refuse to try and defend in a fair and open debate ( http://www.nafcash.com/ ):

"According to the orthodox version of the holocaust, at Treblinka the Germans murdered and buried, then dug up, burned and crushed the bones, and then - REBURIED all the crushed bone and ash of 870,000 Jews INTO THE SAME MASS GRAVES; thus, they allegedly -“obliterated all evidence of their crime.” If you’re unfamiliar with the controversies surrounding this “judicially proven fact,” then it’s imperative that before you begin reading this site, you understand the forensic argumentation presented in this link HERE:

“This is the biggest cemetery of Polish Jewry… There are 870,000 Jews buried in the enormous ditches… Within this area initially, the Jews were buried in enormous pits… Later on, a sort of grill from railroad tracks was built. The corpses were removed and this area served for burning the corpses… Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka - all three of them were utterly eradicated… Both Treblinka and the other camps, once they had fulfilled their task of extermination, were obliterated… Nothing remains - nothing.”

Nothing remains? Who in their right mind could believe that a perfect crime could be committed while murdering 870,000 people? Everyone knows that at every crime scene - EVIDENCE IS LEFT BEHIND:“Cremated remains weigh between three and nine pounds.” In order to believe the orthodox Treblinka holocaust legend, you must believe this: The Germans, by putting a layer of soil over millions of pounds of crushed bone and ash, tens of millions of teeth and tens of thousands of bullets and shell casings somehow, magically -“utterly eradicated” all evidence of their crime!"

These holocaust controversies freaks claim that the remains of 870,000 jews are buried at Treblinka yet refuse to defend this absurd claim of the perfect crime / magically disapearing jews in a fair and open debate.

I wonder why?

[Roberto Muehlenkamp]

So now you've run to this place, Gerdes?
How come? Is the RODOH forum too hot for you?
As you seem to have no arguments besides regurgitating the hollow claims of charlatan Krege (who in eight years after his "forensic investigation" hasn't been able to publish a report about that "investigation", and who according to an expert in GPR technology, Prof. Conyers, doesn't know much about how to do a GPR soil investigation) and your mendacious straw-man about there being "no traces" of the mass killings (actually Polish criminal investigators and archaeologists discovered lots of traces that are perfectly compatible with the order of magnitude of the killing that becomes apparent from documentary and eyewitness evidence, as I have demonstrated in several blog articles), that doesn't surprise me at all.
OK, if you want to continue our conversation here, that's fine with me. But please try not to make it too boring. Instead of constantly repeating your straw-men and your grade-school-level insults (you seem to have progressed from infancy to senility without ever passing the state of maturity), try to address my arguments and demonstrate that there is room for reasonable doubt about the mass killings at Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka, which would be the only valid reason to take another closer look at what is in the soil at these places.
In the following I transcribe my last message to you on the RODOH forum,# 10188 under http://rodohforum.yuku.com/topic/6070... . I suggest you try to control your hysteria (maybe take a bite into the carpet, like your Führer is said to have done on such occasions) and provide an answer that, for a change, doesn't sound like the mouthing of some retarded nutcase.

Here we go (see following message):

[Roberto Muehlenkamp]

[Part 1]
Gerdes said:
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So what you're saying Roberto, is that you cannot prove the existance of a single "huge mass grave" from 5 small supposedly known locations that allegedly contain the remains of 2.14 million jews? Not a single grave that contains the remains of even 1 % of the alleged mass mureder?

Roberto replied:
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I personally don't have the means to physically locate and measure one of those mass graves. But that's indifferent insofar as Prof. Kola located 33 mass graves big enough for several hundred thousand dead bodies at Belzec and a couple of graves big enough for about 80,000 dead bodies at Sobibor (where the rest of the victims were incinerated without being first buried, as I hope you understood by now), and a Polish investigating commission found an area of 20,000 square meters covered by human remains and human remains to a depth of 7.5 meters at Treblinka, which alone leaves no room for reasonable doubt that mass murder occurred at these camps. It is indifferent also because the extent of that mass murder can be reconstructed on the basis of documentary evidence showing that until the end of December 1942 alone almost 1.3 million people had been taken to camps which were not described by anyone who was there as anything other than sites of mass murder, and from one of which, as is documented in a German Kriegstagebuch, there emerged such a stench of dead bodies that the local Wehrmacht commander of a town 20 kilometers away complained about it. It is also indifferent because neither Mr. Gerdes nor any other "Revisionist" bigmouth can offer anything remotely resembling a plausible, evidence-backed explanation as to what happened to all these people, of whom only a few dozen are known to have survived the war. It may be that an investigation like that done by Kola at Belzec, should it ever be carried out at Treblinka, succeeds in identifying the location and size of that camp's mass graves. It is also possible that 15 years of subsequent robbery digging and the building of a memorial on that site destroyed the original structure of the mass grave to such an extent that they can no longer be identified and measured. Either way, there's no room for reasonable doubt that about 750,000 people were murdered at Treblinka. Tough luck, Mr. Gerdes.

[Roberto Muehlenkamp]

[Part 2]

Gerdes said:
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Well Roberto, If you believe that 2.14 million poeple can vanish without leaving a trace, If you believe that a perfect crime can be committed while murdering 2.14 million poeple, then why would I waste my time trying to educate you about fornensics? Obviously, you don't have the intelligence to understand.

Roberto replied:
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How about leaving the straw-men at home, Mr. Gerdes? First of all, I don't think the death toll of these camps was 2.14 million; about 1.335 million is more like what the evidence shows. Second, I never claimed that the victims were made to disappear "without leaving a trace", as even someone of your reduced intelligence should have understood by now. On the contrary, in my articles Polish investigations of the Treblinka killing site were a complete failure …, Carlo Mattogno on Belzec Archaeological Research and More of the same trash …, among others, I have demonstrated that the physical traces found on site by various entities are compatible with the documented magnitude of the killing at each of these camps.

Gerdes said:
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Roberto:

What you have is not even a piss-poor basis for a challenge, it's no basis at all. What you have is not even a piss-poor basis for a challenge, it's no basis at all.

Then why can't you prove what I'm challenging you to prove Roberto?

Roberto replied:
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I may not have the means and the time to locate a specific mass grave (unlike others, namely Prof. Kola and his team), and I certainly don't have the inclination to run after Mr. Gerdes' "challenge", for the reasons already explained (absence of any evidence or argument constituting reasonable doubt). But that doesn't mean I cannot prove the occurrence of mass murder at these camps and the existence of the corresponding mass graves, for I can refer to the known physical, documentary and eyewitness evidence, all of which leaves room for no other reasonable conclusion.

[Roberto Muehlenkamp]

[Part 3]

Gerdes said:
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All I'm asking you to do is prove is the existance of just one of the alleged "huge mass grave" from just one of the alleged "pure extermination centers."

Roberto replied:
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The existence of any one of those mass graves logically follows from the conclusive evidence to the occurrence and extent of the mass killings at these camps, so what you are "asking" for has been provided. I may not be able, with the means and time at my disposal, to prove the existence of a given mass grave based on assessment of physical evidence alone. But others have been able to do just that, and then, you haven't shown any rules or standards other than your irrelevant own stating that assessment of physical evidence is the only way whereby the existence of any such mass grave can be reasonably proven. You should get used to the idea that it's not Mr. Gerdes who decides what is conclusive evidence and what is not.

Gerdes said:
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Just one camp - just one grave - just one percent.

Just one Roberto.

One.

Roberto replied:
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Cut the crap, Gerdes. One hundred per cent of the mass graves at all camps have been proven by all reasonable standards, through the sum of evidence (including but not limited to physical evidence) to what occurred at these camps and the absence of any evidence for an alternative scenario. Though this has been done at Belzec and Sobibor, there's no need to specifically locate and measure one single mass grave in order to prove the events in question.

[Roberto Muehlenkamp]

[Part 4]

Gerdes said:
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Or do you expect me to believe your asinine magically disapearing jew "theory?"

Roberto replied:
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The «asinine magically disapearing jew "theory» is a straw-man of yours, as explained before. Actually the only one who seems to believe in "magically disappearing Jews" is you. Or what do you claim happened to at least 750,000 (Treblinka)+ 435,000 (Belzec)+ 150,000 (Sobibor)= 1,335,000 people who disappeared behind the gates of these camps, to count only those whose deportation there can be unequivocally reconstructed on the basis of documentary evidence? Are they supposed to have died bubonic plague somewhere? Or are you trying to tell us that they were abducted by flying saucers?

Gerdes said:
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Do you believe that 2.14 miillion people can be murdered with out leaving a trace?

No, I think (believing I leave to folks like you, who need it) that the physical traces found by Polish criminal investigators and/or archaeologists at these places are a) considerable and b) compatible with the documentary and eyewitness evidence pointing to the murder of at least 1.335 million people.

Gerdes said:
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So just where EXACTLY are these alleged "huge mass graves" anyway?

Somewhere in the area of either former camp, the exact location of the mass graves at Belzec even becoming apparent from Prof. Kola's book about the subject. But what does it matter where "exactly" in each of the camp areas the mass graves are located? It doesn't really matter a damn thing. It is completely irrelevant to what is the only reasonable conclusion to be derived from all known evidence.

Gerdes said:
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Two very simple questions for some very simple poeple.

Yep, two rhetorical questions to impress simple-minded suckers with. Not being a simple-minded sucker, I'm not impressed.

Gerdes said:
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(Do you still believe in Santa Roberto?) LOL!

Coming as it does from who obviously believes that at least 1.335 million people were not murdered but vanished into thin air, were abducted by flying saucers or magically showed up somewhere else after the war without anybody noticing, the above imbecility is quite amusing.

[Roberto Muehlenkamp]

For readers who might be interested, these are the links to the articles on the "Holocaust Controversies" blog that I referred to in my previous posts:

Carlo Mattogno on Belzec Archaeological Research
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/20...

Polish investigations of the Treblinka killing site were a complete failure …
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/20...

More of the same trash …
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/20...

And this is the article that drove poor Gerdes carpet-biting mad:

Greg Gerdes
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/20...

Enjoy!

[Greg Gerdes]

Post #1

Hello Roberta,

RODAH forum too hot for me? LOL! Say hi to little nicky for me will you? Let's see how you handle a debate while not having that fraud cover for you.

But enough idle chatter, let's discuss the alleged "huge mass graves" of Babi Yar, Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka shall we?

Let's start with Treblinka.

RM:

"I personally don't have the means to physically locate and measure one of those mass graves... It is also possible that 15 years of subsequent robbery digging and the building of a memorial on that site destroyed the original structure of the mass grave to such an extent that they can no longer be identified and measured. Either way, there's no room for reasonable doubt that about 750,000 people were murdered at Treblinka. Tough luck, Mr. Gerdes."

Tough luck? LOL! First off, your claim of 750,000 is lower than the official story of 870,000 and Michael Shermers claim of 900,000. What did Shermer find at Treblinka that makes him believe that there are the remains of 900,000 jews there? Have you seen the report of his alleged investigation? Do you know when he's going to publish it? Do you know why he's refused to publish it up to this point, or even answer any questions about his alleged investigation? Do you know what it is that he's trying to hide?

Now, you claim that the official story of 870,000 jews being murdered, buried, dug up, cremated and the remains reburied into the same mass "grave" was obliterated by grave diggers? You claim that grave diggers have made it impossible to identify and measure a "grave" that was large enough to hold 700,000 people that had allegedly already been buried before any alleged cremation operation commenced and subsequently the remains of all the alleged 870,000 cremated jews? You claim that building a monument on the top of the grounds would make it impossible to locate a "grave" that is large enough to contain millions of pounds of crushed bone and ash, tens of millions of teeth and tens of thousands of bullets and shell casings? LOL! You could find this 7.5 meter phantom pit with a cheap metal detector - IF the story is true! Oh Roberta, that just begs the question: Are you mentally retarded or just mentally ill?

What your really saying RM, is that despite the official claim that all the remains of 870,000 jews are buried in the alleged "huge mass grave(s)" of Treblinka, you can't locate so much as one percent of the alleged murder victims remains! Can you locate a single tooth Roberta? Can you locate just one of the alleged 27 million teeth? Just one tooth Roberta. Prove the existence of just one tooth. Surely you don't believe that the alleged grave diggers would have removed every last one of the alleged 27 million teeth, do you? What a nut case!

[Greg Gerdes]

continued - Post #2

RM:

"...and a Polish investigating commission found an area of 20,000 square meters covered by human remains and human remains to a depth of 7.5 meters at Treblinka..."

Oh Roberta, you seem to forget that just because you're delusional, that doesn't mean that others share your delusions.(That is further proof of your mental illness though.) Your claims beg at least three immediate questions:

1 - Why didn't the Soviet investigation that took place 15 months earlier, which only located 318 uncremated bodies, see this alleged - "area of 20,000 square meters covered by human remains and human remains to a depth of 7.5 meters?"

2 - Where EXACTLY is this - "area of 20,000 square meters covered by human remains and human remains to a depth of 7.5 meters?"

3 - Can you provide photographic proof of this alleged "area of 20,000 square meters covered by human remains and human remains to a depth of 7.5 meters?"

Just one mass grave Roberta.

Just one percent.

Just one.

One.

And if that's too much for you - just one tooth.

Just one Roberta.

One

Now that should be a big enough task for you to prove for the time being. I will leave things at that until you can provide the proof of your fantastic claim of this "area of 20,000 square meters covered by human remains and human remains to a depth of 7.5 meters?"

Photographic proof Roberta.

Proof.

[Greg Gerdes]

Roberta:

"But that doesn't mean I cannot prove the occurrence of mass murder at these camps and the existence of the corresponding mass graves... The existence of any one of those mass graves logically follows from the conclusive evidence to the occurrence and extent of the mass killings at these camps, so what you are "asking" for has been provided... One hundred per cent of the mass graves at all camps have been proven by all reasonable standards, through the sum of evidence (including but not limited to physical evidence"

So if there's so much evidence for the existence of all these alleged "huge mass graves," then surely you can prove to me the existence of just one of them?

Just one "huge mass grave" Roberta.

Just one.

One.

Question to Roberta:

So just where EXACTLY are these alleged "huge mass graves" anyway?

RM's answer:

"what does it matter where "exactly" in each of the camp areas the mass graves are located? It doesn't really matter a damn thing. It is completely irrelevant to what is the only reasonable conclusion to be derived from all known evidence."

Translation:

Out of all the alleged "huge mass graves" that allegedly contain the remains of 2.14 million jews, I can't locate so much as one of them, even though, IF they existed, they would contain millions and millions of pounds of crushed bone and ash, tens and tens of thousands of bullets and shell casings and tens and tens of millions of teeth. In fact, I can't locate so much as a pound of crushed bone or even so much as a single tooth.

The truth is Roberta, you're a nobody who's trying to make a name for yourself by being a pathetic liar. What a sad sad way for someone to try and make a name for herself. Who's your role model Roberta? Michael Shermer?

BTW, how ya coming along on proving your fantastic claim of an "area of 20,000 square meters covered by human remains and human remains to a depth of 7.5 meters" at Treblinka?

[Roberto Muehlenkamp]

>Post #1

>Hello Roberta,

Poor asshole.

>RODAH forum too hot for me? LOL! Say hi to little nicky for me will you? Let's see how you >handle a debate while not having that fraud cover for you.

What cover? Nick just intervened as moderator on account of your senile name-calling. I need no one’s cover.

>But enough idle chatter, let's discuss the alleged "huge mass graves" of Babi Yar, Belzec, >Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka shall we?

>Let's start with Treblinka.

>RM:

>"I personally don't have the means to physically locate and measure one of those mass >graves... It is also possible that 15 years of subsequent robbery digging and the building of a >memorial on that site destroyed the original structure of the mass grave to such an extent >that they can no longer be identified and measured. Either way, there's no room for >reasonable doubt that about 750,000 people were murdered at Treblinka. Tough luck, Mr. >Gerdes."

>Tough luck? LOL! First off, your claim of 750,000 is lower than the official story of 870,000

What official story? There’s no official story. There are estimates made by historians and criminal justice authorities, of which I consider 750,000 the most reasonable in that it can be easily backed up by documentary evidence about the deportations to Treblinka, without recourse to extrapolations.

>and Michael Shermers claim of 900,000.

So what?

>What did Shermer find at Treblinka that makes him believe that there are the remains of >900,000 jews there?

Don’t know, ask him.

>Have you seen the report of his alleged investigation?

No, why should I have?

>Do you know when he's going to publish it? Do you know why he's refused to publish it up to >this point, or even answer any questions about his alleged investigation? Do you know what it >is that he's trying to hide?

I don’t think he’s trying to hide anything, but why this chatter about Shermer? Is that supposed to be a demonstration that there’s room for reasonable doubt about the mass murder at Treblinka? Got nothing better?

[Roberto Muehlenkamp]

>Now, you claim that the official story of 870,000 jews being murdered, buried, dug up, >cremated and the remains reburied into the same mass "grave" was obliterated by grave >diggers?

The grave digging is well-documented in Polish sources. To what extent it obliterated the Treblinka mass graves we don’t know. And it doesn’t matter either.

>You claim that grave diggers have made it impossible to identify and measure a "grave" that >was large enough to hold 700,000 people that had allegedly already been buried before any >alleged cremation operation commenced and subsequently the remains of all the alleged >870,000 cremated jews?

To what extent that is so would require an investigation like that of Prof. Kola at Belzec to be carried out, which I don’t think is going to happen at Treblinka because a memorial has already been erected there and would have to be destroyed for the purpose of trying to identify the mass graves, or what the grave diggers left of them. Why do you speak of one single mass grave, by the way? All testimonies I know about mention several mass graves?

[Roberto Muehlenkamp]

>You claim that building a monument on the top of the grounds would make it impossible to >locate a "grave" that is large enough to contain millions of pounds of crushed bone and ash, >tens of millions of teeth and tens of thousands of bullets and shell casings?

No, I don’t. I’m sure that if one were to tear down the memorial and dig up the soil at Treblinka, one would find plenty of such traces. Not necessarily bullets and shell casings, which the killers can be expected to have cleaned up. Maybe teeth, though not children and old folks didn’t have that many teeth, and because incineration makes teeth brittle and subsequent crushing of the remains would pulverize most of them. Vassili Grossman mentions teeth. Bones, crushed or not, could certainly be expected, as they were described in Polish investigation reports. Same for ashes. All these remains would be wildly mixed with much larger amounts of soil and thus impossible to quantify, according to some rough calculations I once made:

If only half the Treblinka burial area consisted of burial pits, there were 75,000 cubic meters of burial space available, enough to place the bodies of 600,000 people at a rate of 8 bodies per cubic meter that even “Revisionist” author “Arnulf Neumaier”(probably a pseudonym for Germar Rudolf) considers realistic. Disposal of 800,000 dead bodies would require a volume of 100,000 cubic meters, which at a grave depth of 7.5 meters would mean that between 13,000 and 13,500 square meters of the ca. 20,000 square meters of the burial area were occupied by pits, also a perfectly realistic assumption.

Starting sometime at the beginning of 1943, the SS went over to incinerating the bodies on huge grids, both those previously buried and those of new arrivals. The bones remaining after incineration were ground with plugs, and the ashes and bone fragments were used to fill in the emptied burial pits, alternated with layers of earth and sand. As the ashes of a human being occupy the volume of a shoebox – ca. 2.5 liters – after the bones have been ground, the burial space of Treblinka could have accommodated the ashes of at least 30,000,000 people. Actually “only” the remains of 700,000 to 900,000 people were hidden in the manner described in the emptied burial pits, which were then ploughed under and planted with lupines to erase all traces of the killings. The state in which the Central Commission for the Investigation of German Crimes in Poland found and described the Treblinka burial site was not the state in which the SS had left it, but the result of a bizarre phenomenon called the “Treblinka Gold Rush”. After the Ukrainian camp guards left to guard the site had fled in the face of the advancing Red Army, huge numbers of Poles from nearby areas started digging up the ground in search of “Jew gold”, valuable spoils that they presumed the victims to have taken to their graves.

[Roberto Muehlenkamp]

The point is, why should anyone bother to dig up the Treblinka soil for humans remains that can be reasonably expected to still be there? If there were room for reasonable doubt as to what happened at Treblinka, if there were any evidence suggesting that the place was just a transit camp and the deportees were taken somewhere else after passing there, such digging might be justified. But a “challenge” launched by some ignorant and mendacious Jew-hating fanatic is no reason to dig up the ground at Treblinka, sorry. If the fellow doesn’t want to follow the evidence where it leads because it doesn’t fit his preconceived notions, that’s his problem.

>LOL! You could find this 7.5 meter phantom pit with a cheap metal detector –

If so, what the heck? There’s no reason to doubt that the Polish investigators found what they stated to have found, for it is matched by much other evidence that they could have had no influence on. So running around with a metal detector to see if the Polish site investigation report was not a lie is an exercise for morons, for the likes of Krege and Gerdes.

>IF the story is true! Oh Roberta, that just begs the question: Are you mentally retarded or just >mentally ill?

Look who’s talking.

>What your really saying RM, is that despite the official claim that all the remains of 870,000 >jews are buried in the alleged "huge mass grave(s)" of Treblinka, you can't locate so much as >one percent of the alleged murder victims remains!

It’s not that I couldn’t if I had the means, the time and the necessary authorizations. All known evidence tells me that I would find mass graves with ashes, bone fragments and corpses in wax-fat transformation therein, like Kola found them at Belzec. The point is that there’s no reason why I or anyone should even try, for there’s no room for reasonable doubt as to what happened at Treblinka. A retarded howler’s “challenge” is no reason to start any forensic or archaeological undertakings.

[Roberto Muehlenkamp]

>Can you locate a single tooth Roberta? Can you locate just one of the alleged 27 million >teeth? Just one tooth Roberta. Prove the existence of just one tooth. Surely you don't believe >that the alleged grave diggers would have removed every last one of the alleged 27 million >teeth, do you?

Did I say so anywhere, bigmouth? There’s a big difference between what I wrote and what you would like me to have written. The point is that I don’t have to go looking for teeth on site to prove the mass murder at Treblinka, by any reasonable standards. The mass murder can be and has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt by the sum of known eyewitness, documentary, demographic and physical evidence. The only explanation that takes all this evidence into account and requires no hollow speculations, hence the only one that can be considered scientific, is that things happened just as becomes apparent from all this evidence. So this is not about whether anyone could find this and that if he tried and employed the necessary time and resources. It’s about whether there’s any need to go looking for physical traces in order to prove the events in question. I don’t see why it should be, and you haven’t even tried to demonstrate otherwise.

>What a nut case!

That’s exactly what you are, Mr. Gerdes. Where are you at, so I can send over a strait-jacket for you?

[Roberto Muehlenkamp]

>RM:

>"...and a Polish investigating commission found an area of 20,000 square meters covered by >human remains and human remains to a depth of 7.5 meters at Treblinka..."

>Oh Roberta, you seem to forget that just because you're delusional, that doesn't mean that >others share your delusions.(That is further proof of your mental illness though.) Your claims >beg at least three immediate questions:

Try doing without the bratwurst baloney, Mr. Gerdes. It may help you to gain a little credibility. Just a little.

>1 - Why didn't the Soviet investigation that took place 15 months earlier, which only located >318 uncremated bodies, see this alleged - "area of 20,000 square meters covered by human >remains and human remains to a depth of 7.5 meters?"

Because a) the Soviets probably excavated in the area of Treblinka I extermination camp and b) most human remains are likely to still have been below the surface when the Soviets reached Treblinka. It was only the later robbery diggings, in which the Soviets took an active part with explosives from a nearby airfield (see my article under http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/20... ) that these remains were projected to the surface. The explosions also made it easier for the Poles in November 1945 to establish the depth of the mass graves. They only had to dig a bit further in a crater saturated with human remains that was already six meters deep.