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High school football: No. 2 Mayfield vs. Cavemen tonight

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CARLSBAD >> The Mayfield Trojans are in town tonight to do battle with Carlsbad High.

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Oldtimer Caveman Fan

Carlsbad, NM

#1 Sep 14, 2013
"Coaches have to watch for what they don't want to see and listen to what they don't want to hear." ~John Madden

I just watched the most unbelievable high school game I've ever seen. Our Cavemen were getting beat up terribly. Mayfield had us down 37-7 at the end of the third quarter. A good portion of the crowd had left. Losing by 30 points, the coaches put in different version of the offensive line, which included a new mix of 3 of the starters and couple of seniors who haven't seen much playing time (or attention) under Arrington's high school program, but were apparently hungry.

That's when a strange & wonderful thing happened- the struggling Cavemen offensive line "clicked" and things started happening for the offense. Now, I am the first to recognize the skill of the quarterback, receiver, and backs. But nothing works well without a front line that gels. For the next 3 offensive series, this new version of the o-line worked like a well-oiled machine. They faithfully and methodically took advantage of each gift handed to them whether it was an onside recovery or a fumbled punt reception. Those that follow the Cavemen and indeed those watching the first three quarters of this game know that this was entirely new to the team. The offense actually closed the deal. The new version of the line seemed invigorated and the new kids, who thought they had finally been given their chance to prove their mettle brought in excitement and hunger to what had been to this point in the season, a lackluster line. After this new offensive line configuration had blocked for the 3 consecutive touchdowns (the last two against Mayfield's starting defense), 2 one-point conversions, and finally, the two-point conversion that put the Cavemen within a touchdown of pulling off the biggest 4th quarter comeback in New Mexico high school football history, what did the Cavemen coaching squad do?

They put in the old line configuration and benched the "backups." Aside from this being incredibly disruptive to the momentum of the game (which was entirely going the way of the Cavemen),it was monumentally unfair to the backups who were part of the reason the game's momentum changed. The result? The old configuration of starters went three & out. The linemen walked to the line of scrimmage instead of hungrily hustling to the front to do battle. The 3rd down play of that series resembled most of the first three quarters. It was a running play, the line was penetrated by a linebacker and d-lineman and we lost yardage. The next series, though slightly better, still looked like an old & tired (or bored?) o-line. The old configuration, which stayed in to the end, failed to score again & the Cavemen blew the biggest comeback in history.

Games are won & lost at many times during the 4 quarters of play. On any given Friday, any team can beat another. When that magic moment happens and things "click" a good coach much recognize and seize the moment. When you have the group that works and the team has momentum, you don't screw with it. Why the coaches changed the line back to the dysfunctional version, we will all probably never know.

I hope the Cavemen coaches can recapture that magic again. They had, by accident, found the recipe for a prize-winning cake, only to lose it again at the end of the 4th quarter, when they defaulted back to what was comfortable instead of what was working. All we know is that with a little over 4 minutes to play in the 4th quarter, a rare, confidence-building chance for victory and glory for this team was lost and the Cavemen face an uphill road.

Would Coaches Henderson (Artesia), Jernigan (Goddard), or Roanhaus (Clovis) have changed what was working to go back to what was not working? Probably not. Would Coach Bowyer (Carlsbad's most successful football coach) have done that? Playing for him, I'd say no. Vince Lombardi said it best, "When you have momentum in a football game, that is a time you want to keep going..."

Since: Feb 09

Carlsbad, NM

#2 Sep 14, 2013
Coach arrington could not win the game with backups the starting players parents would have eaten his lunch......he is afraid of the good ole boy system that he could not stand to win when it meant using the scrubs to do it......this would mean also that he made a lot of mistakes in choosing thw starters in the first place.....
Trying to be a good Dad

Carlsbad, NM

#3 Sep 16, 2013
ellvis wrote:
Coach arrington could not win the game with backups the starting players parents would have eaten his lunch......he is afraid of the good ole boy system that he could not stand to win when it meant using the scrubs to do it......this would mean also that he made a lot of mistakes in choosing thw starters in the first place.....
Had a senior in football last year and one coming up in the ranks. Both of you all are right. The coaches won't play or even notice their senior backups. Doesn't surprise me one bit. My senior boy wasn't the biggest or strongest, but a hard-working player last year and he rarely played or was even acknowledged by coaches. He certainly didn't feel like part of the team, because he was treated like he wasn't a member or didn't exist. It breaks a parent's heart to see a kid want something so bad, work his heart out, do every extra thing possible and never get to play or ever get noticed by the coaches. When the coach's continued to ignore him and the other unimportant seniors, the attitude spread to the other junior and seniors who WERE in the group that played year after year.

I am proud of my boy because he stuck it out till the end, but his grades would have probably been better had he just quit football when it was apparent that he wasn't going to play at all, despite his coaches telling him to keep working hard and his time would come.

As his dad, I always told my son that hard work and determination would eventually pay off. I told him not get down on his coaches when he got discouraged and just keep working hard and do what it took to get noticed.

Unfortunately, the only real lessons he learned was that life isn't fair and it was WHO you are, not HOW HARD YOU WORK that matters. Tough lesson for a kid to swallow, especially when his coaches spouted the same (what he sees now as) crap about honor, "sticking with it" and hard work paying off that i did. As a result, the important things I tried to teach my son about hard work are now labeled in his mind as "BS." We aren't as close as we were when he was younger before he got into Arrington's program and I wonder what he is going to tell his future children when the subject comes up some day.

My younger son is just as dedicated to football. He still loves the game like his big bro did at that age. Unfortunately, I see a similar pattern developing with his coaches. What do I tell him about hard work and perserverence paying off? I'm not feelin very supportive of the coaching staff at home if the same thing is happening to my youngest boy.

Things sure aren't as clear cut as they were when I was a teen-ager. Then, hard work and perserverence really was valued and noticed by the coaches. And we wonder why our kids these days dont care about hard work or sticking with something.

Since: Feb 09

Carlsbad, NM

#4 Sep 16, 2013
Trying to be a good Dad wrote:
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Had a senior in football last year and one coming up in the ranks. Both of you all are right. The coaches won't play or even notice their senior backups. Doesn't surprise me one bit. My senior boy wasn't the biggest or strongest, but a hard-working player last year and he rarely played or was even acknowledged by coaches. He certainly didn't feel like part of the team, because he was treated like he wasn't a member or didn't exist. It breaks a parent's heart to see a kid want something so bad, work his heart out, do every extra thing possible and never get to play or ever get noticed by the coaches. When the coach's continued to ignore him and the other unimportant seniors, the attitude spread to the other junior and seniors who WERE in the group that played year after year.
I am proud of my boy because he stuck it out till the end, but his grades would have probably been better had he just quit football when it was apparent that he wasn't going to play at all, despite his coaches telling him to keep working hard and his time would come.
As his dad, I always told my son that hard work and determination would eventually pay off. I told him not get down on his coaches when he got discouraged and just keep working hard and do what it took to get noticed.
Unfortunately, the only real lessons he learned was that life isn't fair and it was WHO you are, not HOW HARD YOU WORK that matters. Tough lesson for a kid to swallow, especially when his coaches spouted the same (what he sees now as) crap about honor, "sticking with it" and hard work paying off that i did. As a result, the important things I tried to teach my son about hard work are now labeled in his mind as "BS." We aren't as close as we were when he was younger before he got into Arrington's program and I wonder what he is going to tell his future children when the subject comes up some day.
My younger son is just as dedicated to football. He still loves the game like his big bro did at that age. Unfortunately, I see a similar pattern developing with his coaches. What do I tell him about hard work and perserverence paying off? I'm not feelin very supportive of the coaching staff at home if the same thing is happening to my youngest boy.
Things sure aren't as clear cut as they were when I was a teen-ager. Then, hard work and perserverence really was valued and noticed by the coaches. And we wonder why our kids these days dont care about hard work or sticking with something.
you were instilling the important lessons in your kids....not the ones that the system would have you believe.....but this is a life lesson also...and maybe with the right determination they will see that life is not fair....so you have to depend on yourself to get where you want to....this can bring even better results than the football mentality.....i had a buddy who played in artesia....he set all the recieving records that stood for many years...he was a fast good reciever and i had one of the best arms around....but couldnt play organized ball because of religeous beliefs....so something like 15 years after high school i started working with this buddy and i was really looking forward to going to bulldog games....he said he hadnt been to one since graduation....i didnt play and he was holding records....something happened that burned him out on high school football....i just couldnt believe it....then read an article about sport letdown.....when you reach the pinnacle sometimes you have nothing left to attain so you just abandon it all out of disgust....your kids will hopefully have a lifetime of enjoyment knowing they were a part of it and get more enjoyment out of sports than most if they can place the proper perspective on it....its just a game....life is about family and accomplishments....kids are not as judgemental as adults usually and in class reunions later on they will be accepted as part of the team just the same...
True

Artesia, NM

#5 Sep 18, 2013
First of all, everyone has a differant view on success. Coach A probably thinks his program is a success. The numbers have doubled under him, he has implimented his strategy in the middle schools, and he probably does a great job building relationships with his players. I do not dispute this at all!! However, many in this community are seeking success in the form of wins and multiple championship calibur teams. Under this regime the latter is very unlikely.

I have to say... I am not a very big fan of the current football program. I honestly think Arrington is a good man, and could be a good coach; but his biggest fault is his loyalty to his staff. The Fredrick family tree has never has great football success and they've all worked under Arrington here in Carlsbad. Stevens has improved as the OC, but he's never had real success against any good team. Geno is terrible on the defensive side, hell I've seen him get his butt kicked several times by youth football coaches. Now to his credit... Stevens does get the better athletes on the offensive side of the ball.

Which takes me to my next complaint.... I don't understand why the Cavemen insist on 22 starters. I think our teams would be better with our top athletes on the field. I mean don't you think our odds would increase if we had Trevin Ramirez and Travis Kessler playing in the defensive backfield? Even if it was just in the 4th quarter, or in key situations.

I understand it can be successful both ways... Artesia wins state constantly, doing the same thing (22 starters). However, Goddard is the new powerhouse and they only play 15 or 16 kids all game long.

I do not believe that the Cavemen pick their starters based on "the community." Just because Arrington has built a program of over 100 football players, doesnt mean that there are 22 studs on the field to start. Numbers doesn't always equal talent, and in fact it takes away from individual coaching.

If the Cavemen are ever going to become a winning program (every year), they need to change! Arrington will HAVE to cut ties with Geno and Stevens, and the elite athletes will have to spend more time on the field. It's really that simple!!! But don't look for this to happen, like I mentioned in the beginning; I think that the coaching staff already believes this is a successful program.
Erm

Lovington, NM

#6 Sep 18, 2013
Can't agree that 5A football should be doubling up on as many as six positions. Sure, you can put some elite kids in two spots, but injuries and fatigue are both likely to increase.

It's true that a few 4A schools do double up heavily, but it' something most 5As should try to avoid.
Chicano Pride

South Saint Paul, MN

#7 Sep 19, 2013
Coach A is a very good person, I know he would never play someone just because they grew up on the north side of town. When I played, Coach Potter took some ridicule from certain parents (from the north side) because their kids were not starting. The bottom line is the last couple of teams are not as big, strong, and physical as some of the successful teams in the last 15 years.
LOL

Artesia, NM

#8 Sep 19, 2013
There has only been one good team in the last 15 years. And even that is debatable. It depends on what you think of 2nd place.
Chicano Pride

Saint Paul, MN

#9 Sep 20, 2013
LOL wrote:
There has only been one good team in the last 15 years. And even that is debatable. It depends on what you think of 2nd place.
Great teams win championships, the teams I mentioned were good. The two teams I am thinking of, one finished 2nd in the state the other was one game away from the state championship. That was back before teams could make the playoffs with a losing record.
Right

Artesia, NM

#10 Sep 23, 2013
ERM.....
Domata Peko (Bengals) and Patrick Peterson (Cardinals) play both ways in the NFL. How is 5A football more taxing?
Caveman supporter

United States

#11 Sep 26, 2013
The football program is as best as its going to get for carlsbad. I have a son not from north side in football program and have no major complaints. Most kids parents could care less if the team even wins . They just care about there kid and his individual playing time. Carlsbad parents and supporters needs to decide do they care about winning or seeing there kid which is clearly not talented enough to play at 5a level playing. The main complaint I would have is too much loyalty to seniors. The underclass man kid that's clearly better should be playing over the senior who works hard but has maxed out on his upside for potential. Your better off going with the younger more talented kid with better upside to get more experience. Instead you get a kid who has no talent but has worked hard playing. This year actually may be lil different as they are very young .we should be having 5 to 6 returning starters a year. Instead of losing a whole defense like last year and having to start over. Some of those 10th graders should have seen more time last year to be ready this year. I agree couple of studs should be utilized both ways for portions of league and playoffs games however if that was to happen the less talented kid who is no longer playing parents will raise ****.
All coaches wanna win . They will play the best kids they believe they have. It just might not be at the same position as you think or there not much a coach can do with a kid that has no football iq , no matter how talented or hard he works
. Defense has not had the talent on that side of ball to compete with top teams probably in last 10 years..
Observer

Carlsbad, NM

#13 Oct 1, 2013
Caveman supporter wrote:
The football program is as best as its going to get for carlsbad. I have a son not from north side in football program and have no major complaints. Most kids parents could care less if the team even wins . They just care about there kid and his individual playing time. Carlsbad parents and supporters needs to decide do they care about winning or seeing there kid which is clearly not talented enough to play at 5a level playing. The main complaint I would have is too much loyalty to seniors. The underclass man kid that's clearly better should be playing over the senior who works hard but has maxed out on his upside for potential. Your better off going with the younger more talented kid with better upside to get more experience. Instead you get a kid who has no talent but has worked hard playing. This year actually may be lil different as they are very young .we should be having 5 to 6 returning starters a year. Instead of losing a whole defense like last year and having to start over. Some of those 10th graders should have seen more time last year to be ready this year. I agree couple of studs should be utilized both ways for portions of league and playoffs games however if that was to happen the less talented kid who is no longer playing parents will raise ****.
All coaches wanna win . They will play the best kids they believe they have. It just might not be at the same position as you think or there not much a coach can do with a kid that has no football iq , no matter how talented or hard he works
. Defense has not had the talent on that side of ball to compete with top teams probably in last 10 years..
Only a small group of the team ever gets regular playing time and it has to do with the fact that from the eighth grade on, the coaches never play anyone else - not because there are 22 naturally talented men out there. There is only a couple of players that have natural talent on this team and one is out for the year.

Everyone else is meat squad and get absolutely no attention to develop as a player as they get older. One coach lamented that they don't have depth here like they see in Texas. Depth is developed by coaches working with everyone. They don't have depth because they don't bother to develop it from the 8th grade on up- period. They have a group that their group inherits from friends that coach at the little cavemen and Jr. High levels and keep them in the "playing group" all the way through. The others that join later or move in to Cbad at an older age are S.O.L.

Those kids won't get the time of day from the close-knit team of coaches who have their starters already picked in the 8th grade and they never give the others the chance to develop or beat out the guys ahead of them...whether they are seniors or not. There is absolutely NO hope for a sophomore-senior to earn a starting position if he is not already in that "playing group."
Thats It

Artesia, NM

#14 Oct 15, 2013
Last week against Goddard... Was a very good example of two completely different programs - obviously going in opposite directions.

Goddard has been at the top of their game for years now. Not only do they hand us a yearly beating they are also the defending 4A state champions.

They handled us easily, even though the QB (#12) was injured in the 1st quarter. It is so frustrating watching the "Cavemen style." I truely believe that the Cavemen have the better team. Winning just isn't a top priority for our coaching staff.

The Cavemen just seem obligated to give everyone who trys out for football, a starting position. Goddard played Friday night with 15 kids. 4 on defense, 4 on offense, and 7 kids who went both ways. We do not, and WILL NOT have 22 starters that can match up.

The "Cavemen style" is not working!!! You would think that Goddard would wear down (playing both ways), and the Cavemen would stay fresh. However every single year Goddard gets STRONGER as the game goes on and finishes us off in the 4th qtr. Playing one side of the ball isnt preventing injuries. We've lost huge weapons this year in (Fierro and Ramirez). Yet for the last two years, Goddard's French (#10) has carried the football 30 times a game for them (and plays every snap of defense). I don't even want to mention special teams. Every game we have someone different returning punts (and they always have 1 BIG mistake), yet we have superior athletes like Travis Kessler on the sidelines, cuz we don't want him to play too much.

Thank God my kids are out of school, and I pity you parents who have to sit and watch your boys go through a football program that has absolutely no interest in winning. It's a shame how these kids get cheated of success in a town that high school football has so much community support.
Another Oldtimer

Carlsbad, NM

#15 Oct 16, 2013
I don't think that the 22 starters vs 15 starters is the reason that we lost that game and the one against Mayfield. Unlike baseball or soccer where second to second action of the game is controlled by the players on the field, H.S. football requires a coach to call the plays throughout the game. Jernigan & Bradley are just better coaches than Arrington and their crew...period. Both are on the top ten winningest coaches in NM HS Football history. Yeah, Arrington will infrequently beat one of these coaches- heck, even a blind rabbit finds a carrot occasionally. This was the case against Henderson's Bulldogs a couple of weeks ago (Cooper is on the top ten list too). What most Carlsbad people didn't know, Artesia had ten senior starters including the QB up and quit early in the season.

Arrington and his inexperienced o- and d- coordinators are simply limited in their selection of sets and plays. Anyone else notice the change in the Rocket's defensive set after the Carlsbad touchdown in the first quarter? Jernigan recognized what Stevens did, adjusted, and stopped us cold in our tracks. Arrington and crew's inability to anticipate and recognize changes and then respond to them on the field has and continues to be a major problem. We play the winningest NM coach in three weeks in Clovis.

In war, those that are led by a George Patton are far more successful than those that are led by Gomer Pyle. I hope our blind rabbit manages to find a few carrots.

Since: Feb 09

Carlsbad, NM

#16 Oct 16, 2013
Another Oldtimer wrote:
I don't think that the 22 starters vs 15 starters is the reason that we lost that game and the one against Mayfield. Unlike baseball or soccer where second to second action of the game is controlled by the players on the field, H.S. football requires a coach to call the plays throughout the game. Jernigan & Bradley are just better coaches than Arrington and their crew...period. Both are on the top ten winningest coaches in NM HS Football history. Yeah, Arrington will infrequently beat one of these coaches- heck, even a blind rabbit finds a carrot occasionally. This was the case against Henderson's Bulldogs a couple of weeks ago (Cooper is on the top ten list too). What most Carlsbad people didn't know, Artesia had ten senior starters including the QB up and quit early in the season.
Arrington and his inexperienced o- and d- coordinators are simply limited in their selection of sets and plays. Anyone else notice the change in the Rocket's defensive set after the Carlsbad touchdown in the first quarter? Jernigan recognized what Stevens did, adjusted, and stopped us cold in our tracks. Arrington and crew's inability to anticipate and recognize changes and then respond to them on the field has and continues to be a major problem. We play the winningest NM coach in three weeks in Clovis.
In war, those that are led by a George Patton are far more successful than those that are led by Gomer Pyle. I hope our blind rabbit manages to find a few carrots.
any idea why they quit

Since: Aug 13

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#17 Oct 16, 2013
ellvis wrote:
<quoted text>any idea why they quit
Ellvis, are you lonely tonight? Want to meat me somewhere?

Since: Feb 09

Carlsbad, NM

#18 Oct 16, 2013
Just_a_Gay_Guy wrote:
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Ellvis, are you lonely tonight? Want to meat me somewhere?
ha ha...no....my wife is my mountain woman...lol...because she keeps the wind and the rain off of me...lol...besides...i have to get up to early for you...lol...but kbr might be taking that...

Since: Aug 13

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#19 Oct 16, 2013
ellvis wrote:
<quoted text>ha ha...no....my wife is my mountain woman...lol...because she keeps the wind and the rain off of me...lol...besides...i have to get up to early for you...lol...but kbr might be taking that...
It's never too early (or late) to get up for me! Besides, while your wife is busy keeping the wind and rain off of you, I'll get on you and ride you like a "long-horned" bull! Your wife can be your mountain woman and I'll be your star, Marilyn.
Another Oldtimer

Carlsbad, NM

#20 Oct 17, 2013
ellvis wrote:
<quoted text>any idea why they quit
I heard it was something about the baseball coach being fired. Don't know what that had to do with the football program though. I've also heard that a couple of fball players were expelled for drinking early in the season. Too bad. Artesia is always a powerhouse (going back to the 1960's anyway), this year is an exception, although district hasn't started yet...who knows.
Jimmy

Carlsbad, NM

#21 Oct 17, 2013
Coach Arrington is a good guy with a good message. He clearly cannot get it done however. The current administration ( Mr.Perkowski ) could care less about the football team, he is more interested in combining the middle schools, which no one wants of course. Mr. Perkowski is a politician and will only address the football team if pressure is brought on him. Who is going to do it?

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