Prep football: San Rafael, Redwood forfeiting games this weekend following fight

The on-field melee which ended the San Rafael-Redwood high school football game prematurely on Friday night will have dire consequences, with both teams being forced to forfeit their scheduled games this weekend. Full Story
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saywhat

Milpitas, CA

#1 Nov 2, 2010
I'm not meaning to stir up trouble, just have some questions answered. Maybe someone can set this straight. I've heard from parents that during the game, it was apparent that SR was physically dominating and hurting Redwood, but that they kept running the same play, right up the middle, over and over again. I was told that parents in the stands where upset, and that players were arguing or complaining to coaches that they did not want to go in, because they were being hurt. Is this true? If so, what are the consequences of coaches or officials not stopping the game? If the playing was so lopsided as to be truly dangerous to one side, the game should have been stopped. Is any of this true, or one-sided rumour?
Evan

San Diego, CA

#3 Nov 2, 2010
...and we would have won it this year too!!!!
I was there

Calistoga, CA

#4 Nov 2, 2010
Saywhat - you heard a wild, one-sided rumor. The players for both SR and Redwood should have never left the sidelines - shame on them both. At the same time, the officials bear some responsibility for letting the game get out of hand. There were some late hits and "extra-curricular activities" by both teams during the game but I don't recall a single flag being thrown. There was one blatant "horse collar" tackle that happened right in front of a ref that did not get called. In contrast, early in the Redwood/Novato game played the week before, if a player made a late hit or got chirpy, the refs threw a flag immediately. The refs kept control of that game from the get go so the frustration and the nonsense never got started.
jesse

Novato, CA

#5 Nov 2, 2010
I was there wrote:
Saywhat - you heard a wild, one-sided rumor. The players for both SR and Redwood should have never left the sidelines - shame on them both. At the same time, the officials bear some responsibility for letting the game get out of hand. There were some late hits and "extra-curricular activities" by both teams during the game but I don't recall a single flag being thrown. There was one blatant "horse collar" tackle that happened right in front of a ref that did not get called. In contrast, early in the Redwood/Novato game played the week before, if a player made a late hit or got chirpy, the refs threw a flag immediately. The refs kept control of that game from the get go so the frustration and the nonsense never got started.
what do you expect from a society of simians?....you "craft" your selected children for "careers" in athletics...all for what?, a big money contract and chance to win the world series or superbowl so all the primitive cave dwelling grafalloners can go on a rampage a riot and destroy thing, mayhem...

you stupid people are not responsible enough nor civil enough to enjoy sports...

as I listened to the radio this morning it was now the new expected norm for the simian citizens to go on a rampage when "their" team wins...

I was pro when I was a kid, so please, no nerd jokes, I'd out baseball 99% of you...this is not a society that enjoys athletics and learns positive things from them, no, you have a bunch of angry young men pumped up by the adults around them in a quest for money... and a now expected "melee" at the end of a winning season...

I hope they never win again, that way you creatures will stay in your holes where you belong, cause lord knows, any chance given, you'll take a good thing like a victory and turn it into fight or a rampage...

this is bread and circuses, you people need to examine you motivations
Redwood Wrong

South San Francisco, CA

#6 Nov 2, 2010
It's obvious that Redwood was out of control and started the fight. In character, the wimpy public school system had to punish everyone involved instead of making a call on who actually started the problem.

Redwood should have been punished. Not San Rafael. Justice was not served. The lesson is if you can't play fairly (Redwood) start a fight and cause a problem for the team that just whipped you.
name

Mill Valley, CA

#7 Nov 2, 2010
The decision of the suspension was left for the head football officials of MCAL. If the officials had done their part during the game, then the game would have not gotten out of hand and the fight would have been avoided. During the entire game racial slurs and illegal tackles (both esp. from Redwood) were constant. The head officals of MCAL should, instead of punishing the kids, punish the referees who let the game get so out of hand.
Also, the Annual Bell Game was Terra Linda's homecoming, so not only are the head officials ruining the football success of both schools, but they are also ruining Homecoming for Terra Linda.
And once again, San Rafael gets screwed out of one of the few things it is showing success in.
too right

San Rafael, CA

#8 Nov 2, 2010
Redwood Wrong wrote:
It's obvious that Redwood was out of control and started the fight. In character, the wimpy public school system had to punish everyone involved instead of making a call on who actually started the problem.
Redwood should have been punished. Not San Rafael. Justice was not served. The lesson is if you can't play fairly (Redwood) start a fight and cause a problem for the team that just whipped you.
Too right you are!
And the 2 principles on a whim (no MCAL mandate involved here AND a highly inconclusive game tape) decided to punish 4 schools... READ THAT AGAIN.... PUNISH 4 SCHOOLS full of kids to make themselves look potent and powerful under the guise of teaching a lesson. Hopefully someone has advised these 2 principles to never set foot on a field of play again. Let the vilification begin, in so far as the fun football games can't.
MCAL, game officials, and the police had washed their hands of the situation by Friday night 11 o'clock news and both coaches may have done a few Drop and Squats on Monday. It was a non-situation.
Now it's a public lynching.
ISSANITYGONE

Sacramento, CA

#9 Nov 2, 2010
so a little clarification is still needed to clearly view this decision. Was the game actually "declared over" with 2:17 remaining on the clock? If so, by whom? Then when were the players ejected? The details imply that it was only after reviewing some kind of video record of this event that they decided who would and who would'nt be ejected. Can you be ejected from a game after it is officially declared over? Is unsportsmanlike conduct and/or dangerous behavior defined or is this a judgement call by someone? If it is a judgement call then who makes the call, the school principle? Simply being on the field, as at least 22 guys were when this started, made you automatically 'involved'? Who's entitled to know how this decision was made, students? parents? community? just the school district? the athletic league? just the players? Or should everyone simply move on?
Athletic Supporter

San Rafael, CA

#10 Nov 2, 2010
Redwood Wrong wrote:
It's obvious that Redwood was out of control and started the fight. In character, the wimpy public school system had to punish everyone involved instead of making a call on who actually started the problem.
Redwood should have been punished. Not San Rafael. Justice was not served. The lesson is if you can't play fairly (Redwood) start a fight and cause a problem for the team that just whipped you.
I strongly disagree. It makes NO difference who started it. There are no free fights and players cannot leave the bench to get involved in a fracas under any circumstance.

Having read all the comment threads on this, I find it amusing that people on both sides were quick to accuse the other team of starting it (as if this makes any difference).

If the student-athletes learn just this one lesson from this experience, they will have gained an important life lesson. Two wrongs don't make a right. Bad behavior does not excuse poor behavior in response. One cannot rationalize participating in fight during a high school football game. The rules do not exist just for the "other team". There is no justification for fighting in a high school football game.

It makes no difference if one team was trash talking, or taking cheap shots, or any other behavior that players rationalized their retaliatory behavior.

Sports imitate life. Sportsmanship is a fundamental principle in sports and life. People give lip service to sportsmanship but few really understand the principle. It is easy to practice proper sportsmanship when the other team is behaving well. The test comes when the other team behaves poorly and how one reacts to poor behavior.

So even if one team did start it, both teams are at fault. The schools did what they had to do.
NCSNBL

Sacramento, CA

#11 Nov 2, 2010
Boo! This is nothing less than robbery from both teams. At the very least the NCS or MCAL should allow the teams to scrimmage so they at least keep their playing up for the week.

Since: Jun 10

Marin County

#12 Nov 2, 2010
Redwood Wrong wrote:
Redwood should have been punished. Not San Rafael.
Actually, neither team should have had to forfeit a game for such a harmless skirmish.

David Sondheim, assistant principal at Redwood, said, "The only thing I can tell you is that we will not be able to field a team for Saturday and will forfeit to San Marin."

What he meant to say was, "Are we playing football here or varsity chess? Who got hurt? NOBODY! What a crazy overreaction by the MCAL!"
old mustang

Bend, OR

#13 Nov 2, 2010
this reminds me of San Marin baseball back in the 80's..........don't get in our way!
Too bad for the suspensions.
I Forgot

Novato, CA

#14 Nov 2, 2010
it's just high school football....next story please.
Hello Sportsmanship

San Anselmo, CA

#15 Nov 2, 2010
too right wrote:
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Too right you are!
And the 2 principles on a whim (no MCAL mandate involved here AND a highly inconclusive game tape) decided to punish 4 schools... READ THAT AGAIN.... PUNISH 4 SCHOOLS full of kids to make themselves look potent and powerful under the guise of teaching a lesson. Hopefully someone has advised these 2 principles to never set foot on a field of play again. Let the vilification begin, in so far as the fun football games can't.
MCAL, game officials, and the police had washed their hands of the situation by Friday night 11 o'clock news and both coaches may have done a few Drop and Squats on Monday. It was a non-situation.
Now it's a public lynching.
Wake up!
The decision was made in collaboration with MCAL and the officials at the game. OR, perhaps you think unsportsmanlike conduct is ok, it SRHS has the first winning team in many years.
Major overkill

San Rafael, CA

#16 Nov 2, 2010
Athletic Supporter wrote:
<quoted text>

The schools did what they had to do.
Actually the MCAL folks washed their hands of the decision, as did the police and the refs .

No action at all was mandated and this could have been an entirely simple solution among the coaches and the boys.

All this hype over basically nothing. It was a great game and the Shi-poo-pee Shuffle is quickly becoming the media's Mei Lei Massacre!!

It does sell papers though doesn't it?
too right

San Rafael, CA

#17 Nov 2, 2010
Bill E Goat wrote:
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Actually, neither team should have had to forfeit a game for such a harmless skirmish.
David Sondheim, assistant principal at Redwood, said, "The only thing I can tell you is that we will not be able to field a team for Saturday and will forfeit to San Marin."
What he meant to say was, "Are we playing football here or varsity chess? Who got hurt? NOBODY! What a crazy overreaction by the MCAL!"
Ain't that the truth!!!!!
Well Done MCAL

Livermore, CA

#18 Nov 2, 2010
In response to saywhat, you were there, if the refs throw flags then people complain, if they don't throw flags people complain. So you are saying two wrongs make a right, because in your opinion, are you a football official who has been trained and certified? Do you even know what color the rule book is this year or who puts it out? did your Horse Collar meet all the requirements of 9.4.3.K or do you even know what is defined as a horse collar in High School, it is no the same as the NFL. couldn't agree more with Athletic supporter, this was not a harmless scrimish. I too was there and the only people at fault are people who think that this OK to do. Not a good lesson to teach othere.
Well Done MCAL

Livermore, CA

#19 Nov 2, 2010
I was there wrote:
Saywhat - you heard a wild, one-sided rumor. The players for both SR and Redwood should have never left the sidelines - shame on them both. At the same time, the officials bear some responsibility for letting the game get out of hand. There were some late hits and "extra-curricular activities" by both teams during the game but I don't recall a single flag being thrown. There was one blatant "horse collar" tackle that happened right in front of a ref that did not get called. In contrast, early in the Redwood/Novato game played the week before, if a player made a late hit or got chirpy, the refs threw a flag immediately. The refs kept control of that game from the get go so the frustration and the nonsense never got started.
You are so wrong, and if you feel your right why don't you get off your butt and get out on the field
not even jess

San Anselmo, CA

#20 Nov 2, 2010
jesse wrote:
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what do you expect from a society of simians?....you "craft" your selected children for "careers" in athletics...all for what?, a big money contract and chance to win the world series or superbowl so all the primitive cave dwelling grafalloners can go on a rampage a riot and destroy thing, mayhem...
you stupid people are not responsible enough nor civil enough to enjoy sports...
as I listened to the radio this morning it was now the new expected norm for the simian citizens to go on a rampage when "their" team wins...
I was pro when I was a kid, so please, no nerd jokes, I'd out baseball 99% of you...this is not a society that enjoys athletics and learns positive things from them, no, you have a bunch of angry young men pumped up by the adults around them in a quest for money... and a now expected "melee" at the end of a winning season...
I hope they never win again, that way you creatures will stay in your holes where you belong, cause lord knows, any chance given, you'll take a good thing like a victory and turn it into fight or a rampage...
this is bread and circuses, you people need to examine you motivations
What the hell is your problem "Jesse"?? Do you realize that SR didn't start the fight! I do think that all the guys who stayed on the field or left the bench were stupid, but YOU have to be an idiot to think that they wanted it to happen! SR was destroying and minutes away from winning and why would they willingly try to jeopardize the amazing season they have had so far? Their decision was wrong, but purely instinctual. Redwood obviously started the fight out of frustration. The players from SR that joined in are just as wrong but how can you sit there and dehumanize them? You sir, are the creature.
To let you know that I am an not just an uninformed brat, I go to school at SR and actually agree with my principal's decision to suspend all the people involved and to cancel the bell game. I know it sucks and I am not happy with the decision, but it was the right one. My classmates are frustrated with the decision too, but I think everyone needs to realize that there isn't another practical decision. The fact that 6 of our players stayed off the field and did nothing shows that all the SR players who participated didn't need to and shouldn't have.
bad sourcing

San Rafael, CA

#21 Nov 2, 2010
"It's an extremely unfortunate situation," San Rafael principal Kit said. "But in reviewing the tapes it was clear that the only action that could be taken was to (eject and suspend) any players that were on the field. This was a heartbreaking decision.

*****Yes, an a completely unnecessary one!!!!*****

I can't tell you what a disappointment it is to have to do this and I wish there was another way.

*****Of course there was another way. Let the coaches handle it.****

But we're part of a league and there are rules."

******That is an incorrect statement. MCAL had no response and walked away from any decision.

This is all manufactured. Too bad better research wasn't done.
Who are your sources IJ?******

Do BETTER IJ. You're incorrectly impacting the story with your inadequate and incomplete sourcing.

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