Can Prep still pay enough to be great?

Can Prep still pay enough to be great?

There are 40 comments on the GoErie.com story from Mar 1, 2009, titled Can Prep still pay enough to be great?. In it, GoErie.com reports that:

Cathedral Prep's past two football coaches left because of money. Mike Mischler said he couldn't afford to raise a family on what Cathedral Prep could afford to pay him to just coach.

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jjjr

Waterford, PA

#1 Mar 1, 2009
Holl, left becasue of some internal issues NOT MONEY!! When half the team walks off in one season and the alumni and parents get upset with their win loss record then he was asked to look elsewhere. Good ridance of that arrogant SOB!
outside senior observer

Waterford, PA

#2 Mar 1, 2009
...some of your debate makes sense, but how does Cacchione do it year after year at SV. He works for the city but gas become a highly respected (and volatile) coach in the Erie County ranks and is respected highly in the WPIAL area for his achievements in getting inner-city kids to believe in themselves andd their school again. Maybe Prep doesn't need an on-site coach but someone who will devote the effort to make Prep a respectible football program. Majewski, in one year, took a team with very few returning starters to a D-10 championship and he and some of his assistants are employees of Erie Insurance Exchange. Some good points John but Prep and it's alumni have to approach it by different avenues than security and pensions promised.(promise a break in tuition to the coaches kids - either male or female.) And by the way - what is Villa's Scott Dibble's full-time job? I know he's not a teacher.
outside senior observer

Waterford, PA

#3 Mar 1, 2009
gas = has
lakerman1

Erie, PA

#4 Mar 1, 2009
If prep spent some money on the coaches, instead of on the players, with those backdoor scholarships, they might be able to retain a coaching staff.
D-10 Bandit

Harmonsburg, PA

#5 Mar 1, 2009
Holl probably left because he didn't want to be another Mike Mischler and be fired.
Of course they can

Canton, OH

#6 Mar 1, 2009
It is apparent that most public schools have a competitive advantage over Prep in regards to this topic; however, just this weekend Prep won D10 titles in basketball and swimming. Also, they are sending 5 wrestlers to States after winning the D10 title just a couple weeks ago. I know football is high profile and a revenue sport but Prep has more success in athletics than any other local HS and most any HS in the State.
I am not an alumni but it worries me more as a Millcreek taxpayer (children in the District) that they would even consider paying the football coach $70,000! This may be the best example that Prep can afford to be great - if being great was all about how much they could pay their coaches McDowell would own all the local schools in athletics! Even the Jr High coaches are paid! No wonder why taxes are so high....
I still think year in year out Prep has the best teams - even in football. I have no knowledge of what they can and cannot offer a coach but it seems like they may need to consider creative ways to help - free tuition to Gannon to pursue postgraduate degree or free for children, free tuition at Prep/Villa for kids, etc.
In my mind Prep is still the measuring stick in athletics and have an undeniable success rate in academics. If I had a son I would want to atleast give them the choice to attend Prep and hope it has their doors open in the years to come.
A good coach will consider the Tradition of the program and academic strength of the school, the future athletic facility and the potential of the program. I am not saying it will be easy but it should not be impossible for Prep to hire a great/good coach. Yes I know there are politics at the school but it's like that everywhere and being in Millcreek I can't point at Prep or any other school about politics.
nittany

Erie, PA

#7 Mar 2, 2009
most of the coaching names mentioned in this thread i know personally for i was in the high school coaching ranks for 10 seasons at villa as assistant to the current head varsity b-ball coach at prep. most high school coaches coach for the love of the game and there are good coaches out there but it is hard to attract these coaches because many are not teachers and they hold down full time employment elsewhere making it difficult to find the time necessary to coach. i know i speak for basketball coaches when i say high scool basketball is an 11 month sport anymore and finding a qualified coach with the ability to have a felexible work and family schedule is difficult. prep is very fortunate to have their curent b-ball coach and i know this for a fact from personal experience. my question would be how did prep land marcel arribi and (i do not remember his first name) coach ronai? i know prep lured ronai away from a division III college so they must have been paying him something worth while.
HazyDavy

Erie, PA

#8 Mar 2, 2009
Some observations concerning the article and threads posted here...(1) Mina George was left off the list of Prep coaches who bolted for the public schools for HIS family,(2) Prep football will continue to experince problems in dominating in football because (a) of it's ever increasing tuition (now $7000) and (b) because Cacchoine is able to draw almost all the great inner-city kids to his program at Vincent, thus denying Prep some excellent players.(3) Holl's record at Prep compares very favorably with Mike Mischler AND George's.(4) Holl's problems with parents at Prep is no more than the same problem that has plagued other Prep sports over the past twenty years...domineering parents who think little Johnny should be playing.
Alums who think Prep should be able to line and run smashmouth against their schedule are living in the distant past. Frankly, Holl's offense is perfectly suited to a typically undermanned school playing quality opponents. He have much success at Seneca Valley. Good luck finding another as good as he.
nittany

Erie, PA

#9 Mar 2, 2009
good points hazydavy. going back to basketball i can not ever see prep or any other d-10 AAAA team even playing for a state title again due to the inclusion of the philly schools and the restructuring of pa east and west.
Pittsburgh Kid

United States

#10 Mar 2, 2009
Why did Seneca Valley HC leave? The AD did not support him. The Women's HC just ran into problems with disciplining student-athletes which was exacerbated by the AD and parental interference. Prep is no different than nearly every other HS. Get a clue HazyDazy.
Plagued Prep sports for 20 years! Which area school has a more successful Athletic Department than Prep?
Prep has some issues and obstacles to overcome but you take things to the extreme!
Cleanair

Canton, OH

#11 Mar 2, 2009
Prep does not bring kids together and show them how to build a team. With their egos, some of these coaches have actually ignored their players,never consulting nor encouraging their skill. It has been accepted, knowing Prep does offer an excellent education, and you simply have to choose one or the other. I think the parents are more concerned with how the players are treated than playing time. It takes more than winning to be a great coach.
not4Prep

West Chester, OH

#12 Mar 2, 2009
will MOT

Erie, PA

#14 Mar 2, 2009
Thank you non- hacker left prep early student.
Sports Fan

Edinboro, PA

#15 Mar 3, 2009
The fact is Prep should be the top team in every sport at least locally. In any given year they have two or three starters on the football team that learned the game by playing at home in Millcreek in their excellent junior high program. Enrollment means nothing when you can recruit and offer a young man a chance to be considered for a college scholarship by playing at the AAAA level...oh, I forgot, they no longer play football at the AAAA and chose to let four seniors go without a hockey team simply because Prep hates losing. How's that going for you? History shows that Prep has ebbed and flowed, and have not always been at the top of the hill. People/students see their arrogance(as evidenced the other night at the Prep/McDowell b-ball game when the Prep student body made a joke of the National Anthem), and like it or not there are plenty of local alternatives. In the city you have the Collegiate Academy for academics and Vincent for sports. In the county there are plenty of quality programs that send kids to college like General McClane and North East. And yes, there's even the school on the hill, McDowell which plays Prep on a nearly even level in most sports regardless of the fact that some of McDowell's best athletes don't even stay home but go to Prep. Again, Prep should win and the only thing that is truly holding them back is their own arrogant in-your-face attitude. They are FAR from the only/best game in town. By the way, if Prep can't keep good football coaches due to the pay scale, doesn't it follow that the best teacher's also pass on Prep for the more lucrative public school system...so, if they don't have the best coaches, then the quality of the education seems to be in question as well. Seems to me Collegiate Academy and others kicks their butts.
outsider

Erie, PA

#16 Mar 3, 2009
Alot of good points on this forum, but to Momoney I will say it is not always about the money. I taught at a Catholic school for many years back home. A better paying job came up at the local public school district nearby, which I was approached about. My heart wasn't in it. How could I effectively teach where my heart wasn't? There are teachers who do it not for the money. Look at your local Catholic/private schools. I bet some teachers have been there many years. Same with the new football coach. To know someone isn't only in it for the money, but for the love of what he is doing, says alot. Thank God I don't have to pay Millcreeks taxes and that $70,000.00 pay for the AD!
outsider

Erie, PA

#17 Mar 3, 2009
I meant football coach not AD
HazyDavy

Erie, PA

#18 Mar 3, 2009
McDowell (Millcreek) does pay their nearly full-time AD $70,000 and he has an assistant, to boot.
Prepster for Life

Harmonsburg, PA

#19 Mar 3, 2009
Prep will not be great again until it makes some needed internal changes, like getting rid of people like Bill Flanagan.

Prep needs someone new and fresh for the AD job.
Flanagan has never been good for the school.
lakerman1

Erie, PA

#20 Mar 3, 2009
I say shut the brotherhood down, and turn the space into a homeless shelter.
Mercyhurst prep can take those lads, enroll them, and let them sit next to girls.
Go lakers!
Huh

Canton, OH

#21 Mar 3, 2009
How many student-athletes from McDowell were taught their skills at a Parochial School? Stop whining about recruiting...you have literally a couple thousand kids at the school!? Where did K Harris (wrestling) come from..one hint is not Millcreek! I'm not a Prep fan (nor do I dislike them) but get a clue and stop your hatred for Prep.
Sportsfan - what data do you have to support your claim that Prep is not strong in academics compared to other local schools? Students going to 4 year colleges? Amount of scholarship money awarded? Average SAT score? Number of former students attending military Academy/IVY League schools? Don't make claims without backing it up!
Not originally being from Erie so I never understood the insecure attitude by some in regards to Prep. I'm from Cleveland...people there know Erie Prep. When I go to Pittsburgh for work people mention Erie Prep more than any other local school. Even when the Trojans played on FoxSports they (announcers) spoke about how they had a major/key win over Prep and went on to talk about the Tradition and success of the school (football team).
Prep is not great every year but no matter how I spin it..number of D10 titles, State Championships, average team fielded each year - I would take Prep over any other local school.

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