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Nine months ago, Hawaii's congressional delegation voted unanimously along party lines in favor of a nearly $787 billion federal stimulus bill -- a big reason the federal budget deficit is now four times what it was in 2008.

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Hawaii 50

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Francis: You are correct! Just like Vietnam, Iraq and now Afghanistan, the USA spends billion, even a trillion and coutless deaths to prop up and try to stabilize foreign governments that are NOT sustainable. It's a virus deeply embedded in American's DNA and psychology. It mutates, but remains the same. Tragic, but without any end.
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Francis, thank you for our Fourth Grade analysis of a very complicated topic. Did it ever cross your mind that getting out might cost a lot more in the long run? Letting the Taliban return to power and become a haven for future terrorists to train for attacks on U.S. soil?

Your comment is juvenile and shows little understanding of the situation. Maybe we should get out; but only if we put a lot more thought into it than you have.
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Mr. Ibara, it's not as simple as just getting out.
If money now being spent overseas is re-directed to homeland defense it will be re-directed, yet again, to the liberals social programs.
In the end, our national defense will suffer even more.
I'd rather see it used to once and for all defeat out enemy, radical islamists, and then bring all the troops home. After victory, not surrender.
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"Liberal notions such as everyone owning their own home, affordable or not, has brought us the mortgage mess that led to the current recession."
Sally, that actually made my head jerk, I think to the left.
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Hawaii 50 wrote:
Francis: You are correct! Just like Vietnam, Iraq and now Afghanistan, the USA spends billion, even a trillion and coutless deaths to prop up and try to stabilize foreign governments that are NOT sustainable. It's a virus deeply embedded in American's DNA and psychology. It mutates, but remains the same. Tragic, but without any end.
...and yet, the U.S. was successful at building up countries like Japan, Germany, Italy, and South Korea.

It's too early to judge our efforts in Iraq. If in say 10 years or so Iraq is still a democratic, peaceful country and considered an ally in the region like Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, then our efforts would not have been in vain. Afghanistan is much more challenging situation given the strong tribal culture and physical geography of the country, but its "story" is still being written also, and it is much too early to judge if our efforts were in vain or not. But if Afghanistan is lost, it will not just be a US defeat, but a NATO defeat as well, and a win for Al-Qaeda and the Taliban, and a loss for the common people of Afghanistan. To prevent another Vietnam, we must fight to win....not fight until we're tired and bored or fight for a draw. Before the first troops arrive, it must be carefully considered what the objectives are, if the fight is worth it, and if the fight is winnable. This is the war candidate Obama said was "the right war" and "the just war". President Obama announced a new strategy of his own for winning this war last March, and he committed more troops to the fight, and he's about to commit even more troops to it again. So, let's fight the war to win it and accomplish our objectives, so we can bring our troops home in honor and set Afghanistan on a track for peace and success and consider it a good ally in the region.
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if we are going to stay in afgan. the united states shud use all force. such as bomb them to hell.like they told us during the vietnam war, "war is hell"..the russians gave up in afgan. after 7 years of war..vietnam had 58,000
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Pearl City Senior wrote:
Mr. Ibara, it's not as simple as just getting out.
If money now being spent overseas is re-directed to homeland defense it will be re-directed, yet again, to the liberals social programs.
In the end, our national defense will suffer even more.
I'd rather see it used to once and for all defeat out enemy, radical islamists, and then bring all the troops home. After victory, not surrender.
The military is a socialist program.
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local wrote:
if we are going to stay in afgan. the united states shud use all force. such as bomb them to hell.like they told us during the vietnam war, "war is hell"..the russians gave up in afgan. after 7 years of war..vietnam had 58,000
"kia" numbers..
But like Vietnam, the rules of engagement say you shoot only if they shoot first, unless you're in a "free fire zone". So you "bomb them to hell" after they shoot first.
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Hawaiian Republican wrote:
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...and yet, the U.S. was successful at building up countries like Japan, Germany, Italy, and South Korea.
It's too early to judge our efforts in Iraq. If in say 10 years or so Iraq is still a democratic, peaceful country and considered an ally in the region like Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, then our efforts would not have been in vain. Afghanistan is much more challenging situation given the strong tribal culture and physical geography of the country, but its "story" is still being written also, and it is much too early to judge if our efforts were in vain or not. But if Afghanistan is lost, it will not just be a US defeat, but a NATO defeat as well, and a win for Al-Qaeda and the Taliban, and a loss for the common people of Afghanistan. To prevent another Vietnam, we must fight to win....not fight until we're tired and bored or fight for a draw. Before the first troops arrive, it must be carefully considered what the objectives are, if the fight is worth it, and if the fight is winnable. This is the war candidate Obama said was "the right war" and "the just war". President Obama announced a new strategy of his own for winning this war last March, and he committed more troops to the fight, and he's about to commit even more troops to it again. So, let's fight the war to win it and accomplish our objectives, so we can bring our troops home in honor and set Afghanistan on a track for peace and success and consider it a good ally in the region.
By declaring we are a country at war, the question should be against whom?. Afghanistan? They didn't attack U.S. Iraq? They didn't either. It was al-Qaida terrorists and they aren't a nation but a bunch of criminals.
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Sally Youngblood......cuckoo! cuckoo! cuckoo!
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Regarding Sally Youngblood's comments on health care. This from Nashville, TB :NASHVILLE — Some of the debtors sitting forlornly in this city’s old stone bankruptcy court have lost a job or gotten divorced. Others have been summoned to face their creditors because they spent mindlessly beyond their means. But all too often these days, they are there merely because they, or their children, got sick.

How do you justify people losing everything they have because they become ill. It's not the technology that drives up the cost of care, it's greed.

We are the ONLY industrialized nation where citizens can and do lose their homes due to illness. It's a national disgrace and people like Sally only make it worse with their ignorant rants. I lived in Canada for 25 years before returning to the USA, and their health care system is excellent, despite wht the health care industry here would have you believe. Wake up America, the health care industry here doesnt care about you, only their balance sheets.
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Pearl City Senior wrote:
Mr. Ibara, it's not as simple as just getting out.
If money now being spent overseas is re-directed to homeland defense it will be re-directed, yet again, to the liberals social programs.
In the end, our national defense will suffer even more.
I'd rather see it used to once and for all defeat out enemy, radical islamists, and then bring all the troops home. After victory, not surrender.
Sir or Madam:

I'm sorry to inform you, but in order to defeat what you call radical Islamists you will have to fight a world war against Moslems. The radicals are not just in Afghanistan or Iran or Pakistan, but in every country with Moslems. Just look at the problems in Indonesia (worlds largest Moslem population) and the Philippines, and they are spreading to Asian countries such as China, India, Bangladesh, etc.

But, I for one, don't savor the idea of a war against all Moslems just because there are few nut cases practicing a radical view of an ancient and honorable religion. Don't forget, there has been much bloodshed and death caused by radical Christians such as David Karesh in Waco, Texas, and Jim Jones. Do you want to start a war against Christians to wipe of the radicals among them?

Nothing short of murdering all the people on the face of the earth will stop a radical idea from spreading. However, reaching out to educate people will fight the ignorance which helps to breed radicalism. The worst illness on this planet is ignorance.
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Pau wrote:
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By declaring we are a country at war, the question should be against whom?. Afghanistan? They didn't attack U.S. Iraq? They didn't either. It was al-Qaida terrorists and they aren't a nation but a bunch of criminals.
You are correct. Which is why it's so interesting to watch how people try to define who the enemy is we're fighting. The lines cross so much between country, religion, friend and foe that it's nearly impossible to delineate what the target is. So much so that their policy appears to be shoot at anything that moves like a "terrorist," however they define the definition today.
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<quoted text>The military is a socialist program.
Whatevah, If you say so.
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Hawaii 50 wrote:
Francis: You are correct! Just like Vietnam, Iraq and now Afghanistan, the USA spends billion, even a trillion and coutless deaths to prop up and try to stabilize foreign governments that are NOT sustainable. It's a virus deeply embedded in American's DNA and psychology. It mutates, but remains the same. Tragic, but without any end.
I agree wholeheartedly. We should get the hell out of those countries. Iraq was a lie to begin with and we should have gotten out of Afghanistan years ago. The soviets found that out after more than 10 years there and untold billions flushed down the toilet. If Bush had made an effort to dispose of Osama bin Laden from the beginning instead of playing pat a cake with him, it might seem alright to be there, BUT NOT NOW! It's just turning into another Vietnam.
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Fisherman wrote:
"Liberal notions such as everyone owning their own home, affordable or not, has brought us the mortgage mess that led to the current recession."
Sally, that actually made my head jerk, I think to the left.
Fisherman, you are absolutely right...PLUS everyone else envolved trying to get rich quick brought us to the edge of total bankruptucy. Aloha from Northeast PA.
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US_Canadian in Denver wrote:
Regarding Sally Youngblood's comments on health care. This from Nashville, TB :NASHVILLE — Some of the debtors sitting forlornly in this city’s old stone bankruptcy court have lost a job or gotten divorced. Others have been summoned to face their creditors because they spent mindlessly beyond their means. But all too often these days, they are there merely because they, or their children, got sick.
How do you justify people losing everything they have because they become ill. It's not the technology that drives up the cost of care, it's greed.
We are the ONLY industrialized nation where citizens can and do lose their homes due to illness. It's a national disgrace and people like Sally only make it worse with their ignorant rants. I lived in Canada for 25 years before returning to the USA, and their health care system is excellent, despite wht the health care industry here would have you believe. Wake up America, the health care industry here doesnt care about you, only their balance sheets.
So, in order to keep some TINY percentage of folks out of bankrupcy court the ENTIRE nation has to go into hock and possibly bankrupt itself? Yeah that is a great plan...

Health care HERE is still better than health care in Canada...period....The disgrace is folks like you trying to change something that for the most part is not broken so WE can be like THEM.....well if THEY have it so well I suggest you move back rather than try to change what most here do not want changed.
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Hawaiian Republican wrote:
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...and yet, the U.S. was successful at building up countries like Japan, Germany, Italy, and South Korea.
It's too early to judge our efforts in Iraq. If in say 10 years or so Iraq is still a democratic, peaceful country and considered an ally in the region like Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, then our efforts would not have been in vain. Afghanistan is much more challenging situation given the strong tribal culture and physical geography of the country, but its "story" is still being written also, and it is much too early to judge if our efforts were in vain or not. But if Afghanistan is lost, it will not just be a US defeat, but a NATO defeat as well, and a win for Al-Qaeda and the Taliban, and a loss for the common people of Afghanistan. To prevent another Vietnam, we must fight to win....not fight until we're tired and bored or fight for a draw. Before the first troops arrive, it must be carefully considered what the objectives are, if the fight is worth it, and if the fight is winnable. This is the war candidate Obama said was "the right war" and "the just war". President Obama announced a new strategy of his own for winning this war last March, and he committed more troops to the fight, and he's about to commit even more troops to it again. So, let's fight the war to win it and accomplish our objectives, so we can bring our troops home in honor and set Afghanistan on a track for peace and success and consider it a good ally in the region.
Why do I always hear the music from the Twilight Zone when I read your postings? IT'S TOO EARLY TO JUDGE OUR EFFORTS IN IRAQ?!!! It's nothing but an out and out disaster. The people despise us and don't want us there. We're burning upwards of 2 billion dollars a week in that wasteland. We aren't going to get their oil(unlike Bush's and Cheney's dreams)so what is there to do there? That "bring democracy to them" was nothing but a lie by the current administration, so we should just get the hell out of there. Spend the billions that will be wasted over the next several years there over in our county.
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Scorpio58 wrote:
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Sir or Madam:
I'm sorry to inform you, but in order to defeat what you call radical Islamists you will have to fight a world war against Moslems. The radicals are not just in Afghanistan or Iran or Pakistan, but in every country with Moslems. Just look at the problems in Indonesia (worlds largest Moslem population) and the Philippines, and they are spreading to Asian countries such as China, India, Bangladesh, etc.
But, I for one, don't savor the idea of a war against all Moslems just because there are few nut cases practicing a radical view of an ancient and honorable religion. Don't forget, there has been much bloodshed and death caused by radical Christians such as David Karesh in Waco, Texas, and Jim Jones. Do you want to start a war against Christians to wipe of the radicals among them?
Nothing short of murdering all the people on the face of the earth will stop a radical idea from spreading. However, reaching out to educate people will fight the ignorance which helps to breed radicalism. The worst illness on this planet is ignorance.
Well, Sir/Madam, I'm sorry to inform you that if all the muslims become radicals then they become our enemies. Those who do not stand up and decry the slaughter of innocents by radial islamists are co-conspirators and just as guilty, as far as I'm concerned.
BTW you forget Dearborn, MI, NC, Ft. Hood and other places here in the US where radicals are hiding and planning.
Poor examples. Koresh and Jones did not go around killing people of other religions, they were cult leaders who took advantage of those ignorant people you allude to. They committed group suicide, no jihad.
I tell you what, if you can figure out a way of educating the radicals, of what you call an 'honorable' religion, to call off the war they started, then maybe we can get somewhere. But as it stands, the muslims want us to kowtow to them so they can rule the world. Not such a good deal for non-muslims, eh?
And, please don't start with the overworked leftist arguing point that US foreign policy is what started this, I've heard enough of that drivel. If they won't stop the war, I say let us finish it.
Happy Thanksgiving.
Pearl City Senior

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Canard wrote:
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I agree wholeheartedly. We should get the hell out of those countries. Iraq was a lie to begin with and we should have gotten out of Afghanistan years ago. The soviets found that out after more than 10 years there and untold billions flushed down the toilet. If Bush had made an effort to dispose of Osama bin Laden from the beginning instead of playing pat a cake with him, it might seem alright to be there, BUT NOT NOW! It's just turning into another Vietnam.
Replace Bush with Clinton and you'll have your history correct.

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