Incompetence, indifference leave St. Paul couple snarled in sta...

Linda Powis and Don Gunnon pose amid the mayhem of moving their St. Paul household to South Carolina on Monday morning March 23 2009. Full Story
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Lawyer

Chanhassen, MN

#1 May 30, 2009
Note to PP- This is a worth while story. These people deserve some help, they were truly doing the right thing and contributing to society until they were struck by unbelievable bad luck. They were not and are not leaches like the subjects of the recent section 8 story.
Single payer NOT

Saint Paul, MN

#3 May 30, 2009
Another example of why government can noy be incharge of healthcare

Since: Mar 09

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#4 May 30, 2009
Single payer NOT wrote:
Another example of why government can noy be incharge of healthcare
Ya think? But will we have a choice? Just like GM has a choice, just like the banks had a choice not to take TARP. I can see the government system being forced on us, and just like Daniel Hauser, if you don't enroll, here come the warrants.
More

Saint Paul, MN

#5 May 30, 2009
Moua is not a very effective legislator. Not suprised by her inaction. She seems very adept at placing blame on others. When it comes down to it, I see her as a self serving liberal just like the rest of them.
Pete

Minneapolis, MN

#6 May 31, 2009
I've heard of seceral peopel who have called Mee Moua and got the same thing this guy got ......nothing!She doesn't represent the people in my opinion.
Timmyboy

Minneapolis, MN

#7 May 31, 2009
ThaLeena wrote:
Easy diagnosis to this problem,and I'm not even a doctor. You family of fools, you are white, and native born and were at one time productive tax payers. Which means that if you need help---TOO BAD because this state is too busy giving it to the illegals, the cheats, the lazy, and the new arrivals. I mean, Why should you think you should be entitled to any benefits, how dare you take a cent from the illegals, the welfare cheats, the state jumpers. It's not as if you ever worked for them..........
This post is the exact feeling I felt when I finished reading the story. The poster is correct. You can get so much better treatment if you kill someone and end up in prison. The fact that they worked hard and made a good living AND PAID THE TAXES on that hard earned money is a huge strike against them. How dare these rich, white people come to us "compassionate people" for help. One should know that their compassion is a one way street. Safety nets are designed for people that have paid into the system and need help. Not for the people that have pimped the system and turned the free handout into a lifestyle.
Timmyboy

Minneapolis, MN

#8 May 31, 2009
Pete wrote:
I've heard of seceral peopel who have called Mee Moua and got the same thing this guy got ......nothing!She doesn't represent the people in my opinion.
Simple solution...vote the pig out of office.
Standards

Minneapolis, MN

#9 May 31, 2009
I can already see where this thread is going, I guess the only thing to say is...

There will never be anyone good enough for all of you nay-sayers. I'm sure you can do better so go ahead and run for office.
Louie53

Saint Paul, MN

#10 May 31, 2009
This is a very sad situation. People are getting disability that only have a bad back. People with cancers and other serious illnesses end up not getting assistance until they are near death. Now if they were expecting a baby, and/or had a drug or alchohol addiction, they may get welfare. Young healthy people are getting medical assistance, food stamps and cash because they have "children" and are "expecting another child". The people at the agencies responsible to assist the truly needy are busy surfing the internet, taking long lunches and coming to work only when they feel like it.

Once again, civil service employees are falling down on the job. What a shame. I hope the end result of this is that the "Watchdog" group is/was able to get Don and Linda the help they need and have worked a lifetime to earn.
just another taxpayer

Saint Paul, MN

#11 May 31, 2009
Too bad Mee Moua didn't get the same run around when she tried to get reimbursed for her state leading per diem spending. She was mortified my a$$, it's all a friggin act. She should have been livid at whomever blew these people off and fired the staffer. The entire system let these people down, but as it was stated it is designed to be unresponsive. All you socialized medicine proponents out there remember this article when you start crowing for your government provided healthcare.
DAH

United States

#12 May 31, 2009
This type of treatment of people who have worked their whole lives and paid their own way is typical and down right criminal. Generation after generation get welfare and any other dead beat can get assistance and 'not fall through the cracks'. Don and Linda are who the assistance programs were set up for not these lazy, low lifes that have never worked, have no intention of working, and keep producing kids that follow in their footsteps. When is our government going to wake up and realize the the middle income people are the mainstay of this country and are the ones the get dumped on the most. I hope these hard working people get the assistance they need and we finally start getting rid of the bureaucrats that cause these issues.
shw

Saint Paul, MN

#13 May 31, 2009
Pete wrote:
I've heard of seceral peopel who have called Mee Moua and got the same thing this guy got ......nothing!She doesn't represent the people in my opinion.
I"m sure she represents her people.
finding logic

Cottage Grove, MN

#14 May 31, 2009
These various bureaucracies that were originally placed to help people end up becoming a three-headed monster in which the only goal left for them is self-sustainment. Any new monies allocated to them from the legislature quickly becomes absorbed by administrative costs (higher salaries/pensions for the entrenched elite) while the "intentional unresponsive" first line century's are posted whose only objective is to keep public resources from ever reaching the people the bureaucracy was designed to help in the first place. Why bother funding such dysfunction? It's the same as paying an insurance premium to a company that has no intention of paying out on any claim ever filed. Why bother paying the premium at all?
Ronald

United States

#15 May 31, 2009
If you want to give these people money, go ahead and give it to them. Why should the government do it.

Sure, bad things happen to people. always has, always will. But before we had modern medical care, we had faith healing that the good Lord gave us and we should be happy with that

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Minneapolis, MN

#16 May 31, 2009
Ged ready for nothing but incompetence and indifference if the nation moves to nationalized health care.
ceeismee

Minneapolis, MN

#19 May 31, 2009
oh do i know the obsticle course at ram. co. human services...
not only have i had to be assisted in this life time, i have helped a handfull a ahalf of people i know or a friend referred to me to guide.
for the things each of us have needed and the small amounts of time i seen each person i knew on the "welfare"ride use, it was like trying to pull teeth!!
the employes at r.c.h.services like to act as if this is thier money and they will deside who, when and how much any person MAY get.
thinking that a person must fit a profile of being broke to a point of being next step to crazy.And this may have been a solution to this housing crissis if give to help people to get over a slump sooner..thanks wanna be social workers.
Bill

Minneapolis, MN

#20 May 31, 2009
All I know is that when people board a plane in Mogadishu, they already know the address of the Hennipen County Welfare office and who to talk to there. Seems to be a problem with not enough "advocates" to go around.(An HCMC Nurse recently posted that many people come to HCMC to give birth with plans to go straight back to Somalia).
Workaday Oakdale Brother

Saint Paul, MN

#21 May 31, 2009
Obviously, this is a very sad story...we should all keep fellow Americans like these two in our thoughts and prayers.

On the more "negative" side, what really burns me up are "Benedict Arnold" companies like Ms. Powis's former employer that ship jobs overseas, but often expect Americans to keep buying their products.
Personal responsibility

Hopkins, MN

#22 May 31, 2009
This is a tragic story and proof that we need to fix our system because government needs to be there for folks like this. SAYING THAT, for $200 a month this could have all been avoided.

When I graduated college, a friend of mine convinced me that I should buy a personal disability insurance policy. I was making $20,000 at the time and $75 per month sounded insane, but he showed me stats that showed how most people will be sick or injured sometime in their career and I believed him, so I did it.

Fast forward 25 years. My policy now costs $200 per month (I update it as I earn more -- GUARANTEED -- without having to take a medical exam).$200 per month a TON of money for me now that I have two kids and a wife and believe me, I could spend that money elsewhere.

However, I make about what the Gunnon's made and you know what would have happened if I had been hit by the injuries and their situation? I would be bringing home $65,000 per year AFTER taxes, for life, with a guaranteed 3% annual increase and would get it with one phone call NOT to a government agency (and or course proof from doctors, etc., but none of the mess the Gunnon's had do deal with). The supplemental health insurance policy I have which costs be a few dollars per month would have covered 100% of the medical bills.

Again, this is a tragic story. However, the real tragedy is the Gunnon's once had the income to be able to protect themselves from the mess they are now in (unfortunately, now it's too late). Instead they choose to get a snowmobile and fishing boat. That doesn't mean they are bad or stupid people. Rather, they are responsible adults who made choices.

Do we need to fix the system? YES. What we also need to do (which would lower the cost of the overall system) is EDUCATE people that there are options a family can do to take care of themselves. Why not a public service program backed by government backed affordable private disability and catastrophic health care insurance?

What is so sad to me is that this situation could have been completely avoided. The Gunnon's either didn't know, or they didn't care, but because of their choices, they will pay for a long time, and frankly so will you and I to help them.
Tired of Being Uninformed

Minneapolis, MN

#23 May 31, 2009
ThaLeena wrote:
Easy diagnosis to this problem,and I'm not even a doctor. You family of fools, you are white, and native born and were at one time productive tax payers. Which means that if you need help---TOO BAD because this state is too busy giving it to the illegals, the cheats, the lazy, and the new arrivals. I mean, Why should you think you should be entitled to any benefits, how dare you take a cent from the illegals, the welfare cheats, the state jumpers. It's not as if you ever worked for them..........
I'm so glad someone of obvious intelligence with firsthand knowledge of the problems you cite has posted here. I've heard about illegals and welfare cheats burdening our system. Can you please let me know where you got your evidence, along with sources and numbers? I'd like to use these facts the next time I argue with my liberal neighbor about how the system is being abused. Without these facts, I just come across as a stupid jabbering bigot. Your help would very much be appreciated. Hope to hear your response soon.

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