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Court: Smokers at fault, not bars | The Columbus Dispatch

There are 12527 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Oct 16, 2009, titled Court: Smokers at fault, not bars | The Columbus Dispatch. In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

Bar owners who try to keep their customers from smoking can't be penalized under the state's anti-smoking law just because a patron disobeys, an appeals court ruled yesterday.

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TellingTheTruth

Marion, OH

#6122 Dec 23, 2009
JDH29 wrote:
<quoted text>
Name one.
;o) Must be nice living in that fantasy world of yours. Smokers paradise- huh??
Transco Railway Products.!
TellingTheTruth

Marion, OH

#6123 Dec 23, 2009
u cannot own me wrote:
<quoted text>It sure tickles my funny bone
1. Article published Wednesday, May 7, 2008
Ohio legislators dismantle tobacco prevention agency
BLADE COLUMBUS BUREAU
COLUMBUS - Gov. Ted Strickland yesterday pounded the last nail into the coffin of the state's quasigovernment anti-smoking agency
2. They did give them 40 million to cover a year (this year) which is not enough to enforce the ban
3. About half th ecounties are not enforcing the ban..could be more by now
4. Tobacco programs
State may stub out anti-smoking funds Ohio is poised to reduce its spending on anti-tobacco programs from $40 million a year early this decade to nothing
http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/ ...
5. Meanwhile, Ohio’s much-touted emphasis on curbing smoking has moved to a back burner. Thanks to budget raids, a politically popular property tax cut and a pending lawsuit, the state is in the process of gutting spending on smoking cessation and prevention, while enforcement of the voter-approved statewide indoor smoking ban has decreased.
http://www.journal-news.com/news/ohio-news/oh ...
BOOM!!!!!
As The ACS Reverend Trooth knotah Tellen says:
" Ker-Plunk." or Timber!

“Just Say No to Smoking Bans”

Since: Jul 07

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#6124 Dec 23, 2009
JDH29 wrote:
<quoted text>
Good for Mark Twain- funny you smokers have to quote OTHER people-what? Do you really have that LOW of a self esteem you have to quote other people?
"All smokers smell like feces and every second they smoke- they take away a second of their life"
By some guy.
ROTFLMFAO
Tobacco is a dirty weed. I like it.
It satisfies no normal need. I like it.
It makes you thin, it makes you lean,
It takes the hair right off your bean
It's the worst darn stuff I've ever seen.
I like it.
~Graham Lee Hemminger, Tobacco

“12oz libertarian”

Since: Dec 07

chi-town 'Inner City'

#6125 Dec 23, 2009
JDH29 wrote:
Ross Laboratories will FIRE you (no warning) if you are caught within 100 yards of smoking.(On or off the clock).
Oh good grief.
So u work for Abbott essentially. That explains everything.
http://www.abbottlaboratoriescorporation.com/
http://blogs.jobdig.com/diggings/2006/04/11/c...
How often do they do drug testing these days, monthly, LOL.
Companies like that are as bad as old Henry Ford. Has management scheduled their 'in home' visit to make sure you live your life according to 'their' standards?
It's only a matter of time before you'll have to start 'weighing in' at the start of the day.
*shakes head*
Just one more reason why you coulndn't pay me enough to work for these rent seeking corporate drug pushers.
Tomorrow

Van Wert, OH

#6126 Dec 23, 2009
u cannot own me wrote:
<quoted text> She did not deny the fraud accusations either LOL
Yea, I noticed the crickets got really quite, didn't they?

Since: Oct 09

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#6127 Dec 23, 2009
PicassoIII wrote:
<quoted text>Oh good grief.
So u work for Abbott essentially. That explains everything.
http://www.abbottlaboratoriescorporation.com/
http://blogs.jobdig.com/diggings/2006/04/11/c...
How often do they do drug testing these days, monthly, LOL.
Companies like that are as bad as old Henry Ford. Has management scheduled their 'in home' visit to make sure you live your life according to 'their' standards?
It's only a matter of time before you'll have to start 'weighing in' at the start of the day.
*shakes head*
Just one more reason why you coulndn't pay me enough to work for these rent seeking corporate drug pushers.
That's fine- you wouldn't be hired from this company anyways! You need a thing called a college diploma! ;o) Have fun flipping burgers smokey!

Since: Oct 09

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#6128 Dec 23, 2009
TellingTheTruth wrote:
<quoted text>Are you sure ?
The only Rats we had was the ones trying to catch us.! Who was alot like you (Phobic), only smarter. Which I use the term smarter loosly because it wouldnt take much to be smarter then you.! Pig.
Funny you mention that- Let me remind you- MY kind was able to pass a ban to keep you from smoking in public! Guess you smokers aren't as smart as you think you are! ;o) I love reminding you that! Still in full effect! Let's hear you cry now!! wahhh!!!!! Don't forget!! MY side won! hahahahah! 3 years AND counting!!!!

OH! and for those rats that state- I STILL SMOKE! You still smoke b/c you live in the gutters that America doesn't care about and are ashamed of! ;o)

Since: Oct 09

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#6129 Dec 23, 2009
TellingTheTruth wrote:
<quoted text>Are you sure ? I know alot of smokers who work at both the Fortune 500 in my town, and they play the same game.! Plus they have the same stupid rules as your company.!
I know you probably have a McDonalds and Burger King in your red-neck town (they ARE fortune 500 companies!)- but please...don't pretend to show any class by stating that where you live- has a high standard of living. You already proved your town to be a un-respectable place to live. ;o)

“12oz libertarian”

Since: Dec 07

chi-town 'Inner City'

#6130 Dec 23, 2009
JDH29 wrote:
That's fine- you wouldn't be hired from this company anyways! You need a thing called a college diploma! ;o) Have fun flipping burgers smokey!
Double major Chemistry - Environmental Sciences with a minor in Bio. Almost applied to med school until some hospital experiences (older relatives) convinced me that our murrican medical system is pretty f-ed up. Plus, i can't stand golf, prefer auto racing and sailing.
I've worked for the DOE, one of the top 5 environmental labs in the world and currently supervise a couple of departments for the largest waste water lab in the US.
I've interviewed with the USEPA and the Chicago Dept o Water (to RUN their Chem lab). In both cases it was pretty clear by the end of the interview ..... they couldn't afford me.
My boss calls me 'MacGyver' on a regular basis and can count on one hand the number of times a scientist/doctor/engineer has gone 'over my head'.
I stay current like a fiend, Dawkin's 'Selfish Gene' is on my nightstand right now.

Please ... in a battle of wits your a$$ would be handed to you before you even open your mouth.

“12oz libertarian”

Since: Dec 07

chi-town 'Inner City'

#6131 Dec 23, 2009
*Selfish Gene...

Yeah, i know it's not that new, but DePaul Bio was more into SJ Gould school. The whole Intelligent Design controversy got me curious about all that stuff again.

“Just Say No to Smoking Bans”

Since: Jul 07

Location hidden

#6132 Dec 23, 2009
JDH29 wrote:
<quoted text>
That's fine- you wouldn't be hired from this company anyways! You need a thing called a college diploma! ;o) Have fun flipping burgers smokey!
So, it's ok with you that your employer kills people with drugs, yet you protest shs, a product that has never been proven to kill even one person???? Pathetic. BTW I have both a BA and an MA, so I could work for your killer company. I just would not do that.
In the quest for ruthless profit, Abbott's/CAT's drug Humira is no different. Like the warning sign on a cigarette packet, Abbott admits "Serious side effects, which sometimes lead to death, have happened in patients taking HUMIRA". Furthermore effects to the exposure of the active ingredient Adalimumab include serious and sometimes fatal blood disorders, serious infections including TB (tuberculosis) and infections caused by viruses, lymphoma and solid tissue cancers, serious liver injury, demyelinating central nervous system disorders, cardiac failure and death. Abbott would say that some of these side effects are rare but would that concern you if you were a victim? Also, how rare are these fatal side effects? For example, if the clinical trials were done on 5,000 people and 2 died, then a simple calculation of 5 million people taking the drug would equate to 2,000 people dying in order to cure a non-fatal condition.

The health warnings on packets of cigarettes did not help the tobacco giants to escape from class actions, does a similar fate await Abbott and Cambridge Antibody Technology?

"Humira - 700 deaths

Admitting the officially recognised rate of 0,93 % of deaths and taking into consideration the statements from Abbot in Portuguese Court that 100.000 patients had taken this medicine, we must conclude for an estimated number of 930 deaths (100.000* 0,93 %) within a period of two years, of which 75% or that is 698 deaths were directly provoked by Humira."....©2005 Citizen Ship eu-citizenship.com

“Just Say No to Smoking Bans”

Since: Jul 07

Location hidden

#6133 Dec 23, 2009
Standing Up To Abbott's Decision to Withhold Registration and Marketing of Life-Saving Medicines - A New Variant of Pharmaceutical Apartheid
by Brook Baker
http://www.cptech.org/blogs/ipdisputesinmedic...
Abbott is now doing what drug companies have long threatened to do when developing countries use lawful flexibilities to access more affordable generic medicines - it is threatening to take its marbles and go home. Unfortunately, however, Abbott is not playing marbles, it is playing a deadly game of Pharmaceutical Apartheid, where drug companies withhold access to affordable life-saving medicines in a perverse effort to preserve intellectual property rights at all costs.
Abbott is upset because Thailand has lawfully issued a compulsory license on an important antiretroviral medicine, Kaletra. According to Abbott (and its think-tank apologists and Wall Street Journal defenders), Thailand issued this license without prior negotiations for a price discount or for a voluntary license. However, contrary to Abbott's claim, both international law (the WTO TRIPS Agreement, Article 31) and the Thailand Patent Act permit Thailand to issue compulsory licenses for governmental, noncommercial use without prior negotiation. Moreover, contrary to Abbott's claim, Thailand, like many other developing countries, had long engaged in fruitless negotiations with Big Pharma for deeper price discounts, but Abbott used its monopoly power to unilaterally determine the price points for its tiered-pricing "access" program.
Because Thailand has not caved into to threats and entreaties from Abbott, the USTR, certain members of Congress, and the international business press,

“Just Say No to Smoking Bans”

Since: Jul 07

Location hidden

#6134 Dec 23, 2009
Abbott has now raised the stakes further by withdrawing registration applications for the new heat stable form of Kaletra, an important AIDS medicine, and for six other medicines that it had submitted for marketing approval.(The meltrex, heat stable form of Kaletra is especially important in warm country climates like Thailand were maintaining a cold-supply chain and ensuring that poor patients have access to refrigerators to store their medicines is virtually impossible.)
This withdrawal is profoundly cynical and immoral. A company which has been subsidized through NIH and university research for most of its discoveries, which gets huge taxes breaks for its research and development expenditures, and which earns monopoly profits on all its sales in rich country markets that collectively comprise 90% of global pharmaceutical sales, now determines that it will withhold marketing of life-saving medicines when a country seeks to exercise its lawful, TRIPS-compliant rights to access more affordable generic medicines.
This withdrawal will make it much more difficult for Thailand to grant marketing approval for generic versions of Kaletra and other Abbott medicines because the Thai drug regulatory authority will not simply be able to compare the generic version against the innovator version to confirm that they are therapeutically equivalent. In the worst case scenario, generic companies will now have to repeat costly, time-consuming, and ultimately unethical clinical trials to prove something that is already crystal clear - equivalent generic medicines are safe and efficacious. Even if Thailand decides to forego reliance on new clinical trials, it may instead have to amend its law so that it can rely on WHO pre-qualification and/or the fact of registration by a stringent regulatory authority elsewhere.(Note: The U.S. is trying to block Thailand's future right to legislate such reliance in its free trade agreement negotiation where it seeks five-years of data exclusivity.)
However, even though Abbott will not necessarily by able to completely block registration of follow-on generics by its market withdrawals, its withdrawals will have devastating effects for those medicines for which there is no generic alternative at present.
Thus, to prove its point, and to maintain its market and intellectual property hegemony, Abbott is willing to make Thailand and its patients a "no drug zone." The predictable, inevitable consequence of this cynical power play will be the deaths of innocent patients.

“12oz libertarian”

Since: Dec 07

chi-town 'Inner City'

#6135 Dec 23, 2009
Know what JDH, forget it.
You've descended into the ugliest of identity politics now.
I'd love to see you try this: Walk up to Arnold Schwarzenegger, Richard Branson, General Tommy Franks or Jay-Z, and call them a 'loser' to their face.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigar_Aficionado

Good luck with that.

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#6136 Dec 23, 2009
PicassoIII wrote:
Know what JDH, forget it.
You've descended into the ugliest of identity politics now.
I'd love to see you try this: Walk up to Arnold Schwarzenegger, Richard Branson, General Tommy Franks or Jay-Z, and call them a 'loser' to their face.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigar_Aficionado
Good luck with that.
LOL- I don't think you're getting the point. I've had lunch with Arnold Schwarzenegger when he comes to Columbus for his convention 3 years ago. I would never call him a loser, you know why? Because he's successful and KNOWS that smoking harms people!! You see- I don't hate ALL smokers- I only hate the ignorant people who believe that smoking doesn't harm ANYONE! The majority of people on here- believe just that! So since you're so 'intelligent' like you claim- what do you think of that statement, Mr. Chemistry! Do you feel that smoking tobacco doesn't HARM (let alone- KILL) anyone? If you agree with these idiots- you are just as much trash as they are and you can kiss your credibility for being 'intelligent' GOODBYE! ;o)
TellingTheTruth

Marion, OH

#6137 Dec 23, 2009
JDH29 wrote:
<quoted text>
Funny you mention that- Let me remind you- MY kind was able to pass a ban to keep you from smoking in public! Guess you smokers aren't as smart as you think you are! ;o) I love reminding you that! Still in full effect! Let's hear you cry now!! wahhh!!!!! Don't forget!! MY side won! hahahahah! 3 years AND counting!!!!
OH! and for those rats that state- I STILL SMOKE! You still smoke b/c you live in the gutters that America doesn't care about and are ashamed of! ;o)
Now thats funny. Oh golly gee, too bad but your ban doesnt mean jack sqaut in my town.! I think you are living in the gutter of american, more crime , more poverty , more umemloyment, more delapated houses, more a$$holes like you live there.! I wouldnt trade my neat little town for yours anyday of the year.!
JDH29 wrote:
<quoted text>
I know you probably have a McDonalds and Burger King in your red-neck town (they ARE fortune 500 companies!)- but please...don't pretend to show any class by stating that where you live- has a high standard of living. You already proved your town to be a un-respectable place to live. ;o)
Um I guess General Electric and Timken Roller Bearing escapes your mental ability to under why they have a plant here in this little ole town. I highly dobut if your house cost anymore then mine,except I bought my new in 1979, with in inground pool in the back yard. oh too bad you loser.! Shouldnt you be cleaning some toilets right now instead of stealing from you employeer.?
Go go Xmas shopping and I wont be back until later to bitch at you s ome more.. hang in there LOSER!
TellingTheTruth

Marion, OH

#6138 Dec 23, 2009
JDH29 wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL- I don't think you're getting the point. I've had lunch with Arnold Schwarzenegger when he comes to Columbus for his convention 3 years ago. I would never call him a loser, you know why? Because he's successful and KNOWS that smoking harms people!! You see- I don't hate ALL smokers- I only hate the ignorant people who believe that smoking doesn't harm ANYONE! The majority of people on here- believe just that! So since you're so 'intelligent' like you claim- what do you think of that statement, Mr. Chemistry! Do you feel that smoking tobacco doesn't HARM (let alone- KILL) anyone? If you agree with these idiots- you are just as much trash as they are and you can kiss your credibility for being 'intelligent' GOODBYE! ;o)
What a LIAR !

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#6139 Dec 23, 2009
Sheri wrote:
Standing Up To Abbott's Decision to Withhold Registration and Marketing of Life-Saving Medicines - A New Variant of Pharmaceutical Apartheid
by Brook Baker
http://www.cptech.org/blogs/ipdisputesinmedic...
Abbott is now doing what drug companies have long threatened to do when developing countries use lawful flexibilities to access more affordable generic medicines - it is threatening to take its marbles and go home. Unfortunately, however, Abbott is not playing marbles, it is playing a deadly game of Pharmaceutical Apartheid, where drug companies withhold access to affordable life-saving medicines in a perverse effort to preserve intellectual property rights at all costs.
Abbott is upset because Thailand has lawfully issued a compulsory license on an important antiretroviral medicine, Kaletra. According to Abbott (and its think-tank apologists and Wall Street Journal defenders), Thailand issued this license without prior negotiations for a price discount or for a voluntary license. However, contrary to Abbott's claim, both international law (the WTO TRIPS Agreement, Article 31) and the Thailand Patent Act permit Thailand to issue compulsory licenses for governmental, noncommercial use without prior negotiation. Moreover, contrary to Abbott's claim, Thailand, like many other developing countries, had long engaged in fruitless negotiations with Big Pharma for deeper price discounts, but Abbott used its monopoly power to unilaterally determine the price points for its tiered-pricing "access" program.
Because Thailand has not caved into to threats and entreaties from Abbott, the USTR, certain members of Congress, and the international business press,
way to cut and paste! You must be pretty good at that by now! ;o)

“Fredneck County Md”

Since: Feb 08

Small Town

#6140 Dec 23, 2009
PicassoIII wrote:
<quoted text>Double major Chemistry - Environmental Sciences with a minor in Bio. Almost applied to med school until some hospital experiences (older relatives) convinced me that our murrican medical system is pretty f-ed up. Plus, i can't stand golf, prefer auto racing and sailing.
I've worked for the DOE, one of the top 5 environmental labs in the world and currently supervise a couple of departments for the largest waste water lab in the US.
I've interviewed with the USEPA and the Chicago Dept o Water (to RUN their Chem lab). In both cases it was pretty clear by the end of the interview ..... they couldn't afford me.
My boss calls me 'MacGyver' on a regular basis and can count on one hand the number of times a scientist/doctor/engineer has gone 'over my head'.
I stay current like a fiend, Dawkin's 'Selfish Gene' is on my nightstand right now.
Please ... in a battle of wits your a$$ would be handed to you before you even open your mouth.
JDH29 = IQ < BMI

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#6141 Dec 23, 2009
TellingTheTruth wrote:
<quoted text>Now thats funny. Oh golly gee, too bad but your ban doesnt mean jack sqaut in my town.! I think you are living in the gutter of american, more crime , more poverty , more umemloyment, more delapated houses, more a$$holes like you live there.! I wouldnt trade my neat little town for yours anyday of the year.!
<quoted text>Um I guess General Electric and Timken Roller Bearing escapes your mental ability to under why they have a plant here in this little ole town. I highly dobut if your house cost anymore then mine,except I bought my new in 1979, with in inground pool in the back yard. oh too bad you loser.! Shouldnt you be cleaning some toilets right now instead of stealing from you employeer.?
Go go Xmas shopping and I wont be back until later to bitch at you s ome more.. hang in there LOSER!
LOL- don't spend too much! The first of the month isn't for another week!!! FYI-'i bought my new in 1979'. Hate to tell you this loser, but it's almost 2010. you're so called 'new' house is 31 years old! LOL- See how fun it is to call you out. I bet you my house is worth more than yours! OH!! you have a pool!(IN OHIO?!!!! Show's how SMART you truly are huh??! I have time shares that are worth more than your crumb bum house! Hell! Condos in Upper Arlington are worth more than ANY house in your hick town!!! LOL!!!!

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