Ignore all the lies: Medical marijuan...

Ignore all the lies: Medical marijuana has credibility

There are 34 comments on the Vallejo Times-Herald story from Apr 8, 2012, titled Ignore all the lies: Medical marijuana has credibility. In it, Vallejo Times-Herald reports that:

The disgrace for Vallejo comes from enforcing marijuana laws based on racism and tall tales about ultra violence caused by cannabis that never happened.

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Gringo Tonto

Vallejo, CA

#1 Apr 8, 2012
Here's legal trivia for you dopers:

The United States Supreme Court has ruled in United States v. Oakland Cannabis Buyers' Coop and Gonzales v. Raich that the federal government has a right to regulate and criminalize cannabis, EVEN FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES.

Remember this - when you abuse the fed, sooner or later you will need to take some pain meds.
Sheik Yerbouti

Chalfont, PA

#2 Apr 8, 2012
Prosecuting sick people sounds like a sadistic waste of taxpayer resources. It harms no one and these is no logical or scientific based reason for the persecution of those using medical cannabis.
That supreme court decision was written by far right activist 'judges' unfit to sit on the bench!
Gringo Tonto

Vallejo, CA

#3 Apr 8, 2012
You sound very disrespectful and contemptuous of the Supreme Court, if you cannot follows our laws then you should leave this country! We need your drug habits, filthy pig!
Salty Dog

Vallejo, CA

#4 Apr 8, 2012
Gringo Tonto wrote:
Here's legal trivia for you dopers:
The United States Supreme Court has ruled in United States v. Oakland Cannabis Buyers' Coop and Gonzales v. Raich that the federal government has a right to regulate and criminalize cannabis, EVEN FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES.
Remember this - when you abuse the fed, sooner or later you will need to take some pain meds.
All very well, Gringo. That only reinforces the separation of powers and Interstate traffic legislation.

It says nothing about the practicality of policing something that is virtually unenforceable, let alone the morality of the government determining for me what I can or cannot do to my body and/or to provide aid to my body.

Nor does it address the climate created that fosters organized crime and attending dysfunctional behaviors.

For the record, I am not a user....but if my backache continues, I may try it and thus become a criminal.
Gringo Tonto

Vallejo, CA

#5 Apr 8, 2012
Whoa SD, as a legit patient you have all the right to receive your prescribed medication and even the US SC cannot intervene on that. We are talking about crime here, not health care.

The only problem tracking narcotics right now is the lack of the necessary technology. Once science develops the ability to tag these items genetically, no one will be able to hide from the law. At one time gps tracking did not exist, now everyone can be tracked and located. Be patient, the fight against drugs will see daylight and I am confident that it will succeed.
Salty Dog

Vallejo, CA

#6 Apr 8, 2012
lol Gringo.....well, ok but if it comes down to some technology that allows the government to track my every move.....then I am outta here because then this is no longer the land of the free and home of the brave.

I am far more amenable toward the fight against mugging, property crime and other forms of violent behavior.
Gringo Tonto

Vallejo, CA

#7 Apr 8, 2012
SD, freedom and natural resources will slowly become a luxury as we continue to populate this world. The only solution is to control our growth but that will require international cooperation which is next to impossible. So, it's very likely that one day intense competition for energy, food and living space will become our daily problem. It's becoming more and more felt now whenever the price of energy goes up.

As far as crime in the future, I don't think anyone will have a chance to commit one when every corner has electronic eyes looking at you. By that time every individual in this planet will be tagged and crime will be a thing of the past. Almost.
Anonymous

Vallejo, CA

#8 Apr 8, 2012
Salty Dog wrote:
lol Gringo.....well, ok but if it comes down to some technology that allows the government to track my every move.....then I am outta here because then this is no longer the land of the free and home of the brave.
I am far more amenable toward the fight against mugging, property crime and other forms of violent behavior.
You are already being tracked... it's called your cellphone, iphone. How do you think the correct time, including daylight savings time auto changes on those two happens? The same way that happens allows them to triangulate your exact position. All those stupid Apple Mac addicts that say they got away from the "evil" Microsoft hegemony are dupes. Google search: "how gps on cell phones work" for yourself.
Salty Dog

Vallejo, CA

#9 Apr 8, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
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You are already being tracked... it's called your cellphone, iphone. How do you think the correct time, including daylight savings time auto changes on those two happens? The same way that happens allows them to triangulate your exact position. All those stupid Apple Mac addicts that say they got away from the "evil" Microsoft hegemony are dupes. Google search: "how gps on cell phones work" for yourself.
I do not own a cell phone nor any of the toys put out by Apple....and don't plan to in the future.
Salty Dog

Vallejo, CA

#10 Apr 8, 2012
Gringo Tonto wrote:
SD, freedom and natural resources will slowly become a luxury as we continue to populate this world. The only solution is to control our growth but that will require international cooperation which is next to impossible. So, it's very likely that one day intense competition for energy, food and living space will become our daily problem. It's becoming more and more felt now whenever the price of energy goes up.
As far as crime in the future, I don't think anyone will have a chance to commit one when every corner has electronic eyes looking at you. By that time every individual in this planet will be tagged and crime will be a thing of the past. Almost.
OK Gringo...now you are beginning to scare me...with end of world stuff.

Donald and Donella Meadows put out an extensive and fairly read study called Limits To Growth for the Club of Rome in the early eighties in which they predicated imminent world calamity as food production, pollution resource depletion and population growth came to a point in which a falldown (calamity) would occur.

It didn't happen. But freedom remains a viable option....and one, I dare so is close to man's natural condition and desire.....a worthy goal.
Gringo Tonto

Vallejo, CA

#11 Apr 8, 2012
Salty Dog wrote:
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OK Gringo...now you are beginning to scare me...with end of world stuff.
Donald and Donella Meadows put out an extensive and fairly read study called Limits To Growth for the Club of Rome in the early eighties in which they predicated imminent world calamity as food production, pollution resource depletion and population growth came to a point in which a falldown (calamity) would occur.
It didn't happen. But freedom remains a viable option....and one, I dare so is close to man's natural condition and desire.....a worthy goal.
Yes, but they predicted the wrong calamity like the downfall of the Roman Empire whose vast territory included Europe, Asia Minor and the Mediterranean. Of course they were not alive at the time to see it happen. Nor did they predict the rise and fall of the Soviet Union, the greatest threat of nuclear war to the free world at one time. Remember Kennedy's blockade in Cuba?

And further back, the extinction of the dinosaurs. Still don't believe it can't happen? Maybe not in our lifetime, but who knows when the next asteroid will strike Earth?

Nothing to worry about SD, it's just a 'what if' scenario.
anon

Guaymas, Mexico

#12 Apr 8, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
You are already being tracked... it's called your cellphone, iphone. How do you think the correct time, including daylight savings time auto changes on those two happens? The same way that happens allows them to triangulate your exact position. All those stupid Apple Mac addicts that say they got away from the "evil" Microsoft hegemony are dupes. Google search: "how gps on cell phones work" for yourself.
"Apple Mac addicts" getting away had nothing to do with hegemony. It just works better for certain purposes.
Salty Dog

Vallejo, CA

#13 Apr 8, 2012
OK
Gringo Tonto

Vallejo, CA

#14 Apr 8, 2012
Oops, have to talk about freedom. War strips man of his freedom because he is forced to lay down his plow to take up a sword and fight someone who wants to take his freedom away. And in the process, he may die fighting thus leaving his wife and children to suffer. That was the old way, nowadays we fight wars because it's good for business and world politics. In return, we remain free in order to think how to fight the next war and that's also good for business.

So for the next generation, freedom means the ability to attack and defeat the enemy who is thousands of miles away without leaving the comfort of one's own home. The family is whole - let's think about that.
rollnopinners

Vacaville, CA

#15 Apr 8, 2012
Just light it up what a beautiful life
patient

Vallejo, CA

#16 Apr 8, 2012
i am grateful for the support of council women gomes and brown. we need to get our medicine without fear from a police raid.

“Good luck with that !!!!”

Since: Dec 10

New York, NY

#17 Apr 9, 2012
Gringo Tonto wrote:
You sound very disrespectful and contemptuous of the Supreme Court, if you cannot follows our laws then you should leave this country! We need your drug habits, filthy pig!
Oh, do you mean the same Supreme Court that has just ruled that police can strip search you for pretty much whatever they want ??? Yeah, there's a group that deserves our respect. You may like the feds micromanaging your life, but that's not what this country was founded on.
I love you faux-patriotic people who follow the fed's word blindly and tell anyone who questions it to "leave the country".
Why should Sheik leave the country??? Because he thinks for himself and recognizes hypocrisy and abuses by authority while you do not have the capacity to do so?
Folks using cannabis hurts you in no way, yet you just can't handle the fact that your self-righteous, uninformed mentality regarding cannabis puts you in an ever-shrinking minority.
Or are you one of those who profits from the current prohibition and don't want the gravy train to end?
I wonder.
Gringo Tonto

Vallejo, CA

#18 Apr 9, 2012
So you and Sheik hate the Supreme Court, the Federal Govt. and everything American. If you're not happy with our system, then why the hell are you stuck here? You are far better off living in a place where you can practice your claimed ability to think for yourself because you don't need help from our govt.

Why don't you and Sheik peddle your drugs in the Middle East, see how far you can do your filthy business there? You two are scums, nothing more.

“Good luck with that !!!!”

Since: Dec 10

New York, NY

#19 Apr 9, 2012
Gringo Tonto wrote:
So you and Sheik hate the Supreme Court, the Federal Govt. and everything American. If you're not happy with our system, then why the hell are you stuck here? You are far better off living in a place where you can practice your claimed ability to think for yourself because you don't need help from our govt.
Why don't you and Sheik peddle your drugs in the Middle East, see how far you can do your filthy business there? You two are scums, nothing more.
I'm not scum you self-righteous dweeb. Never said I hated everything, but then again the ignorant only hear what they want to hear. BTW, there is NOTHING "American" about the federal gov't controlling every aspect of a citizen's life. That is something you see in the places that the U.S. is supposedly fighting for freedom. I guess having Sharia Law would appeal to you, wouldn't it??? No wonder why you bring up the middle east, for you that would be Nirvana. Then the gov't can dictate everything to you and you never have to think again.
There are too many way too dependant folks like yourself who want the feds to dictate everything because you are too lazy and/or stupid to take any sort of responsibility for yourself.
You support the right of police to strip search for any infraction (traffic or otherwise) and you support a prohibition designed only to keep a select few wealthy and in power and ingrained into the American psyche by lies and manipulation.
The U.S. is a country built on personal liberties so long as noone else is affected. We now see these freedoms being taken away and schmucks like you are actually applauding it.
Cannabis prohibition has done more harm to this country than cannabis ever could. Maybe if you took your head out of your ass long enough, you'd see that.
Gringo Tonto

Vallejo, CA

#20 Apr 9, 2012
So now you hate the rich too but like them you also want to stay on top of a pile of money by trafficking in drugs. Yeah right!

You are scum of the worst kind and you know it. Like a predatory hyena, you victimize the weak and innocent with your marijuana bait and once they're hooked you suck up their blood like a parasite.

Yes, I want the trained feds to wipe out you and the rest of your kind. I know why you fear being deported to the Middle East because a scum like you won't last there a single day when they find out you're a drug pusher. Off with your head, dumbo!

The time will come when lowlifes like you will no longer have a place to hide, you will be tagged, tracked and monitored and every move you make will be detected. I suggest you get rid your cellphone and credit cards and carry only cash, just a friendly advice for your safety. But be aware that your face, features and fingerprints are in the federal database of potential terrorists and drug dealers.

Go ahead and draw attention to yourself by your constant profanity against the govt. Just be aware that your connection to the internet is being monitored and your suspicious postings could trigger an investigation.

Scumbag!

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