Bid to ban smoking in NZ

May 31, 2007 Full story: Tvnz.co.nz 92

Maori Party MP Hone Harawira has released the first draft of legislation designed to outlaw smoking entirely, his move coinciding with World Smokefree Day on Thursday. via Tvnz.co.nz

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Nclex

Oakland, CA

#22 Sep 14, 2007
Wingnut wrote:
Top causes of death, from the WHO. Not a sign of lung cancer in the top 10 anywhere.
The 10 leading causes of death by broad income group*(2002)
High-income countries Deaths in millions % of deaths
Coronary heart disease 1.34 17.1
Stroke and other cerebrovascular diseases 0.77 9.8
Trachea, bronchus, lung cancers 0.46 5.8
If you can research this, then next time you buy yourself a packet of cigarette, READ THE LABEL.
"SMOKING CAN DAMAGE YOUR HEALTH".
Lower respiratory infections 0.34 4.3
Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease 0.3 3.9
Colon and rectum cancers 0.26 3.3
Alzheimer and other dementias 0.22 2.7
Diabetes mellitus 0.22 2.7
Breast cancer 0.15 1.9
Stomach cancer 0.14 1.8
Middle-income countries Deaths in millions % of deaths
Stroke and other cerebrovascular diseases 3.02 14.6
Coronary heart disease 2.77 13.4
Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease 1.57 7.6
Lower respiratory infection 0.69 3.3
HIV/AIDS 0.62 3
Perinatal conditions 0.6 2.9
Stomach cancer 0.58 2.8
Trachea, bronchus and lung cancer 0.57 2.7
Road traffic accidents 0.55 2.6
Hypertensive heart disease 0.54 2.6
Low-income countries Deaths in millions % of deaths
Coronary heart disease 3.1 10.8
Lower respiratory infections 2.86 10
HIV/AIDS 2.14 7.5
Perinatal conditions 1.83 6.4
Stroke and other cerebrovascular diseases 1.72 6
Diarrhoeal diseases 1.54 5.4
Malaria 1.24 4.4
Tuberculosis 1.1 3.8
Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease 0.88 3.1
Road traffic accidents 0.53 1.9
If you can research this, then next time you buy youself a packet of cigarette, READ THE LABEL. "SMOKING CAN DAMAGE YOUR HEALTH"
SassyVarmit

United States

#24 Sep 14, 2007
Nclex wrote:
I think its a great idea to ban smoking, not only in NZ but all over the world. FYI: Lung cancer associated with smoking is the leading cause of death. So live a healthy life and enjoy life.
At the very least, get your information correct, before you post and show your ignorance..

This is NOT true... only in your bigoted mind. "Lung cancer associated with smoking is the leading cause of death."
premier

Ennis, TX

#25 Sep 14, 2007
nclex wrote:
<quoted text>Do you know what is the cause of "heart disease"???. Never mine, go ahead and worship your "cigarette". Remember you can buy as many packets of cigarette as you wish, BUT YOU ONLY HAVE ONE HEART. Take your pick - DEATH OR HEALTHY LIFE?.... a no brainer can answer this!
nclex? the test?
SassyVarmit

United States

#26 Sep 14, 2007
Nclex wrote:
<quoted text>If you can research this, then next time you buy youself a packet of cigarette, READ THE LABEL. "SMOKING CAN DAMAGE YOUR HEALTH"
So can absolutely everything, if, done in excess.
jmNZ

New Zealand

#27 Sep 15, 2007
Gloria wrote:
Here in Vancouver they are planning to ban smoking on restaurant patios after owners had built separate smoking and non-smoking patios. And you won't be able to have a smoke at a bus shelter or near a building entrance. They say that down in LA it's already in place.
I think smoking will never be banned because of millions in government revenue from tobacco sales and all the jobs in cigarette factories south of the border. Oh, and don't forget about all the rich Yankees who come here to shop for Cuban cigars! Even Schwartznegger got several boxes here in Gastown - and the fact was leaked into the media!
They're obviously aiming at ouright Prohibition. And we know how well that worked for alcohol. And we can see how well it's working for drugs ...
jmNZ

New Zealand

#28 Sep 15, 2007
nclex wrote:
<quoted text>Do you know what is the cause of "heart disease"???. Never mine, go ahead and worship your "cigarette". Remember you can buy as many packets of cigarette as you wish, BUT YOU ONLY HAVE ONE HEART. Take your pick - DEATH OR HEALTHY LIFE?.... a no brainer can answer this!
I'll take my pick and enjoy my smoking, dying of a heart attack at 89 instead of 96.
jmNZ

New Zealand

#29 Sep 15, 2007
Nclex wrote:
<quoted text>If you can research this, then next time you buy youself a packet of cigarette, READ THE LABEL. "SMOKING CAN DAMAGE YOUR HEALTH"
They have the same brand here.
P.S. water CAN kill you.
jmNZ

New Zealand

#30 Sep 15, 2007
True Grit wrote:
<quoted text>
one City one State One NATION at a time tobacco free.
The bans go on and on and on.
Tiresome isn't it?
Haven't they learnt from the alcohol prohibiton?
Or the drug prohibition?
jmNZ

New Zealand

#31 Sep 15, 2007
premier wrote:
<quoted text>
nclex? the test?
Yeh. And he and his like look set to produce a lot of fall-out: a tobacco prohibition.
jmNZ

New Zealand

#32 Sep 15, 2007
SassyVarmit wrote:
<quoted text>
So can absolutely everything, if, done in excess.
Right on, Sassy! Even water.
Wingnut

Mount Vernon, NY

#34 Sep 15, 2007
The original comment I was replying to was that lung cancer caused by smoking is the #1 cause of death. The WHO data show that that is false, and a cluster of 3 types of cancer are listed as #6 in one of the tables. Not lung cancer, a cluster of 3 types - trachea, bronchial, and lung.

Since: Jun 07

UK

#35 Sep 15, 2007
nclex wrote:
<quoted text>Do you know what is the cause of "heart disease"???.
There are hundred of factors associated with heart disease. Smoking is only one, and far from the main one carrying an RR of 1.7. About a 1/3rd of heart disease victims are smokers.

Smoking is bad for you, of that there's no doubt. I would suggest the question is; how bad is it? Is has without doubt been increasingly demonised over the last few years to the point of histeria and certainly to the point where the claims of the antis don't make sense anymore.
Tobacco use had been in decline for 40 years yet many of the diseases associated with have continued and are continuing to rise, though lung cancer; the archetypical smokers disease has shown a *slight* decline over the past 10 years.

Going to the original article I will say this; at least the policy is honest. More honest than the backdoor prohibition of creeping bans, but I will ask this; why do governments of supposed liberal and democractic societies claim the power to tell people what they can and can't put in their own bodies?
SassyVarmit

United States

#36 Sep 15, 2007
I have a hypothetical question, for all the Antis, and, non-smokers...

IF, all smokers switched to smokeless tobacco, would you still have a problem?

The would be NO SHS, NO DIRTY ASHES, NO CIGARETTE BUTTS.... would that satisfy you?
Nclex

Oakland, CA

#37 Sep 15, 2007
SassyVarmit wrote:
I have a hypothetical question, for all the Antis, and, non-smokers...
IF, all smokers switched to smokeless tobacco, would you still have a problem?
The would be NO SHS, NO DIRTY ASHES, NO CIGARETTE BUTTS.... would that satisfy you?
NO!!
Totally ban smoking, tobacco or anything thats not good for the heart. Remember guys, the tobacco company is getting richer, are you getting some shares from them that you have to support them?. If no, then quit it. Take care of your heart, will yah?.
Nclex

Oakland, CA

#38 Sep 15, 2007
jmNZ wrote:
<quoted text>
They have the same brand here.
P.S. water CAN kill you.
If in excess, only!
Nclex

Oakland, CA

#39 Sep 15, 2007
jmNZ wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll take my pick and enjoy my smoking, dying of a heart attack at 89 instead of 96.
Are you predicting that you will live till 89?...whats wrong with 96?.
SassyVarmit

United States

#40 Sep 15, 2007
Nclex wrote:
<quoted text>NO!!
Totally ban smoking, tobacco or anything thats not good for the heart. Remember guys, the tobacco company is getting richer, are you getting some shares from them that you have to support them?. If no, then quit it. Take care of your heart, will yah?.
So, is what you are sayin, that SHS, is not the issue?
just candid

AOL

#41 Sep 15, 2007
SassyVarmit wrote:
I have a hypothetical question, for all the Antis, and, non-smokers...
IF, all smokers switched to smokeless tobacco, would you still have a problem?
The would be NO SHS, NO DIRTY ASHES, NO CIGARETTE BUTTS.... would that satisfy you?
First you would have to promise not to spit or drool.
just candid

AOL

#42 Sep 16, 2007
SassyVarmit wrote:
I have a hypothetical question, for all the Antis, and, non-smokers...
IF, all smokers switched to smokeless tobacco, would you still have a problem?
The would be NO SHS, NO DIRTY ASHES, NO CIGARETTE BUTTS.... would that satisfy you?
Sassy,first you have to give your word that you won't spit or drool.
just candid

AOL

#43 Sep 16, 2007
Remember, Smoking is a gross thing to do.

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