Since: Jan 13

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#389 Sep 19, 2013
Tormented wrote:
<quoted text> I have gone to two doctors so far. The first one basically asked me if I knew about morgellons (I do not think we have morgellons btw when you can look at this link:http://www.youtube.com/wa tch?v=8f-FGaoxuwwXX) then he referred me to a psychiatrist. The second doctor told me I had my pores cloged since he did not know what to tell me. They are clueless. I have not seen that blog but I will take a look and see hopefully something else works there. The clothes are a huge issue. I had bagged them all up even though it helps it does not really make a huge difference because your skin keeps on refecting it. I definately had the same problem with you and the Jeans. They penetrate deep into them. I know it sucks because who doesnt love wearing jeans but it is worth tossing them out if nothing you tried works. You can actually live your day without feeling the crawling going up and down and all around your legs etc..its a freakish nightmare! For the sheets try white microfiber if you can and toss out all the others :(. At least once or twice a week soak them in clorox for an hour with any other white clothing you have and them launder them normally. Once done I suggest you bag the clean clothes seperately from the dirty ones and wipe down your bed with alochol before you put your sheets on them. Trust me..you will see a huge difference. If you feel anything on the pillow seal it tight with a bag and then put the clean white micro fiber sheets on them. I did try the cedarcide fogger from stopskinmites and it worked but I had to fog ALOT!! and everytime i felt something somewhere I fogged there to. I have not felt crawling anymore but mostly tingling, pinprick, and burning. I think I only have the fungus at this point but it is so hard to get rid of.
If you can try what I told you and let me know if it worked. We are here to help one another on this for sure.
Yeah - I do all that bed/laundry stuff... I guess out go the cotton sheets! Someone on the birdmites forum said satin sheets. Sexy!

You should try Whitfield's Ointment if you can't get a derm to prescribe econazole... it's Benzoic Acid which is what I've been researching, and it's an older anti-fungal.

I personally believe that Morgellons is actually a variety of diseases and infestations that all manifest the same. Although a lady on the bird mites forum said she got rid of the mites finally and they left her with Morgellons, which certainly can happen - but that means she can tell the difference in the itching/crawling/pin pricks/black specks/white specks/sores from bird mites and the same symptoms produced by morgellons. I do think that the lyme disease/morgellons attracts bugs - in the same way that the conspiracy youtube guy CollembolaChick posted about does - but LOTS of things attracts bugs. UK2 said his was entomoeba dispar. Another says candida, another says evironmental fungus/mold. The list goes on.

I've never had unhealing sores or fibers that didn't look like fungal hyphae under a mircoscope. And since collembola come in a variety of colors - red, blue, etc I don't go into the nano-bugs from space. Although they could be ;-)

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#390 Sep 19, 2013
CollembolaChick wrote:
As to Frans Janssens, he lied to me on the phone,stating collembola don
T infest humans. He asked me as they all do, how do you.know your not delusional? Well I'm an artist. I can draw and can draw what I see. e has lied to many credible people In our community.
It's collembola furnicula and all.
I know how difficult this is. We must support one another on this quest to get well.
As he himself compiled the comprehensive list of documented human cases, and on his website he says that there needs to be more research, it sounds like he's taking a a scientist's stance of covering his ass.

Shelly who started this thread said her mother-in-law sent him a sample which he positively ID'd.

As cats and horses are documented as getting infested, there's not much difference between them and us. It's like the D. Gallinae experts who said that bird mites can't reproduce on non-avian blood.... well... how is bird blood all that different from human blood? Answer: it isn't. So the D. Gallinae experts now say that humans can act as hosts.

Science is not the answer... it's the beginning of a question. What science doesn't know is far more vast than what it does know.
Tormented

Hollywood, FL

#391 Sep 19, 2013
The Hungry Ghosts wrote:
<quoted text>
HAHAHHA! I've had the SAME thought! Boy... I hope someone steals my car! I leave the windows open ;-)
The ozone generator worked to an extent BUT ozone eats rubber, so it broke my horn! Now when I turn in a certain way my horn goes off... ack!
I've been using Mikron (the one Shelly used) alternating with Onslaught w/ an IGR once a week. I got the inside detailed (removing all the DE) and made the mistake of thinking it was good. ARG! The next day I was feeling fine, get in the car and same thing as you - crawling everywhere within 15 minutes.
I fog, I spray, I put DE down. The whole thing is stupid. They are down deep in the seats. It's much, much better. I used to put my hands on the steering wheel and they would crawl. Ugh.
On the bird mites forum they swear by CO2 tanks. I think I'm going to get one. Luckily I know lots of welders ;-)
CO2 tanks? Is that expensive?
Lately,I have been driving my husbands car and he has been using mine (since he does not feel anything and does not have it) and it has been much better.
Tormented

Hollywood, FL

#392 Sep 19, 2013
The Hungry Ghosts wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah - I do all that bed/laundry stuff... I guess out go the cotton sheets! Someone on the birdmites forum said satin sheets. Sexy!
You should try Whitfield's Ointment if you can't get a derm to prescribe econazole... it's Benzoic Acid which is what I've been researching, and it's an older anti-fungal.
I personally believe that Morgellons is actually a variety of diseases and infestations that all manifest the same. Although a lady on the bird mites forum said she got rid of the mites finally and they left her with Morgellons, which certainly can happen - but that means she can tell the difference in the itching/crawling/pin pricks/black specks/white specks/sores from bird mites and the same symptoms produced by morgellons. I do think that the lyme disease/morgellons attracts bugs - in the same way that the conspiracy youtube guy CollembolaChick posted about does - but LOTS of things attracts bugs. UK2 said his was entomoeba dispar. Another says candida, another says evironmental fungus/mold. The list goes on.
I've never had unhealing sores or fibers that didn't look like fungal hyphae under a mircoscope. And since collembola come in a variety of colors - red, blue, etc I don't go into the nano-bugs from space. Although they could be ;-)
Is this what you are talking about?
http://www.amazon.com/Compound-Benzoic-Acid-W...

I wonder if they sell it cheaper elsewhere.
Like you I do not have those colored fibers and the unhealing sores. If anything I get some bites that seem like mosquito bites but go away quickly when I apply the cats claw. Lots of itchiness, burning, pinprick, and black specks. Also, the sun is a purifier, I swear. One day I had the burning real bad and it would not stop i just sat by the stairways next to my apartment and let the sun hit me. Within 15 min the black specks starting popping out. I got tape and started removing them. I felt so much better right after that. Of course it doesnt cure you but it is such a relief. You can add sunblock if you want and it does help. ;)
FRED

Golden, CO

#393 Sep 19, 2013
Since you guys are all about the fungus, even though that is only part of the problem, here is a recent release from science daily about how the infection disarms the immune system.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/...

"Smart Fungus Disarms Plant, Animal and Human Immunity"

In order to ever be cured you have to repair the immune system. That's quite different from immune "enhancement". You also need to introduce an artificial immune system.
Once your immune system is up and running again then it will ASSIST the artificial immune system.

You won't be cured otherwise. This is something I know how to accomplish.
vss

Hollywood, FL

#394 Sep 19, 2013
Tormented wrote:
<quoted text> CO2 tanks? Is that expensive?
Lately,I have been driving my husbands car and he has been using mine (since he does not feel anything and does not have it) and it has been much better.
co2 tanks... forget about it. i did that because, like you, i was getting bit to hell and back in my car. i would let them off at night and in the morning air the car out. didn't help one bit.

what helped in the car was ordering cyonara and an insect growth regulator like nylar. mix a little in some water in a spray bottle and spray the carpet and seat on the driver's side.

put rubber or plastic over your carpet. i removed the carpet in my car. that helped alot.

wipe your car out, too. that helps. vacumming just stirs them up, but you can vacuum if you want.

keep your car dry, too. the humidity inside the car keeps the mites living longer.

burning menthol crystals doesn't help in the car.

you can use rubbing alcohol in a spray bottle, too.

they seem to live in humid environments, so keep the inside of the car dry.

i keep that bottle of the mixture of cyonara and nylar in the car and spray it every once in a while.

the co2 tanks were expensive. bill is total nut job. friendly and helpful, but he is wacked out of his effing mind. he makes it seem like the co2 tanks are inexpensive. he works construction so he can get them cheap, i guess. he has spent thousands of dollars on co2 tanks that do not work. what a waste of money. god bless you, billy bob dawnman.
angel

Crystal Lake, IL

#395 Sep 20, 2013
Tormented wrote:
<quoted text> I have gone to two doctors so far. The first one basically asked me if I knew about morgellons (I do not think we have morgellons btw when you can look at this link:http://www.youtube.com/wa tch?v=8f-FGaoxuwwXX) then he referred me to a psychiatrist. The second doctor told me I had my pores cloged since he did not know what to tell me. They are clueless. I have not seen that blog but I will take a look and see hopefully something else works there. The clothes are a huge issue. I had bagged them all up even though it helps it does not really make a huge difference because your skin keeps on refecting it. I definately had the same problem with you and the Jeans. They penetrate deep into them. I know it sucks because who doesnt love wearing jeans but it is worth tossing them out if nothing you tried works. You can actually live your day without feeling the crawling going up and down and all around your legs etc..its a freakish nightmare! For the sheets try white microfiber if you can and toss out all the others :(. At least once or twice a week soak them in clorox for an hour with any other white clothing you have and them launder them normally. Once done I suggest you bag the clean clothes seperately from the dirty ones and wipe down your bed with alochol before you put your sheets on them. Trust me..you will see a huge difference. If you feel anything on the pillow seal it tight with a bag and then put the clean white micro fiber sheets on them. I did try the cedarcide fogger from stopskinmites and it worked but I had to fog ALOT!! and everytime i felt something somewhere I fogged there to. I have not felt crawling anymore but mostly tingling, pinprick, and burning. I think I only have the fungus at this point but it is so hard to get rid of.
If you can try what I told you and let me know if it worked. We are here to help one another on this for sure.
I wrapped up my bed in heavy plastic and duct taped it. Pillows are wrapped in garbage bags and duct taped. I change my pillow case every day, but the sheets I only change now once a week. Every morning I use a lint roller and run it over the top of my sheets. Amazed what comes off. But it has been a lot easier to sleep. No problems anymore. I wash the sheets in bleach and let it soak for at least 30 minutes. When clean I then put them in a heavy plastic Zippered bag until I use them the following week.
angel

Crystal Lake, IL

#396 Sep 20, 2013
The Hungry Ghosts wrote:
<quoted text>
HAHAHHA! I've had the SAME thought! Boy... I hope someone steals my car! I leave the windows open ;-)
The ozone generator worked to an extent BUT ozone eats rubber, so it broke my horn! Now when I turn in a certain way my horn goes off... ack!
I've been using Mikron (the one Shelly used) alternating with Onslaught w/ an IGR once a week. I got the inside detailed (removing all the DE) and made the mistake of thinking it was good. ARG! The next day I was feeling fine, get in the car and same thing as you - crawling everywhere within 15 minutes.
I fog, I spray, I put DE down. The whole thing is stupid. They are down deep in the seats. It's much, much better. I used to put my hands on the steering wheel and they would crawl. Ugh.
On the bird mites forum they swear by CO2 tanks. I think I'm going to get one. Luckily I know lots of welders ;-)
Try burning menthol crystals in the car in a coffee cup on a cup warmer. Do for a few hours every night. Made a big difference in my car. also burn them in your home. I spray my car with Kleen Green a few times each week. Then every night when I come home I wipe down all the hard surfaces in my car with a Lysol antibacterial wipe. Works great. Hardly any problmes any more.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#397 Sep 20, 2013
FRED wrote:
You won't be cured otherwise. This is something I know how to accomplish.
I've said this before to you several times:

You can either help people or insult them, you cannot do both.

It seems to me that the latter is more important to you than the former.

If you do want to help people, and you want them to listen to you and take your advice, then you have to meet them where they are. You can't call them liars. You can't insult them if they disagree with you. And most importantly, you cannot be a hypocrite.

Until you learn these very simple lessons in tact, you will damage people's health by leading them away from your useful protocols with your bad attitude. I think your protocols are great... but I would rather do something recommended by someone nice, even if it is less effective.

Really you should go write a book... something that doesn't involve interaction with other people. If everyone who disagrees with you is a liar, then you are mighty alone on that mountain top. It really doesn't matter how right you are if no one will listen.
FRED

Golden, CO

#398 Sep 21, 2013
The Hungry Ghosts wrote:
<quoted text>
I've said this before to you several times:
You can either help people or insult them, you cannot do both.
It seems to me that the latter is more important to you than the former.
If you do want to help people, and you want them to listen to you and take your advice, then you have to meet them where they are. You can't call them liars. You can't insult them if they disagree with you. And most importantly, you cannot be a hypocrite.
Until you learn these very simple lessons in tact, you will damage people's health by leading them away from your useful protocols with your bad attitude. I think your protocols are great... but I would rather do something recommended by someone nice, even if it is less effective.
Really you should go write a book... something that doesn't involve interaction with other people. If everyone who disagrees with you is a liar, then you are mighty alone on that mountain top. It really doesn't matter how right you are if no one will listen.
You came to this forum with a vast array of misinformation passing it off as irrefutable. That doesn't help anyone. I countered you on every point.

You said you were qualified to do the research because you worked in an organic juice bar and i called you a juice bar scientist. I also called you Nancy Grace because of your penchant for Drama. You admitted you are a conspiracy theorist and that is a psychological disorder.

You've told me this "Liar" strategy of yours several times because you want to keep this nonsense thread up and running so you can promote your collembola hysteria and that website you are associated with. But really those posts are particularly vapid of any real meaning.

You should probably go away and read day in and day out like I have for so very long then come back here in a year when you actually get it.
torment

Hollywood, FL

#399 Sep 21, 2013
angel wrote:
<quoted text>
Try burning menthol crystals in the car in a coffee cup on a cup warmer. Do for a few hours every night. Made a big difference in my car. also burn them in your home. I spray my car with Kleen Green a few times each week. Then every night when I come home I wipe down all the hard surfaces in my car with a Lysol antibacterial wipe. Works great. Hardly any problmes any more.
will menthol kill the eggs too? Or do I have to do it constantly?
Heathersdad

Bronx, NY

#400 Sep 21, 2013
Fred if you disagree with HG let her be. You said your an activist but I read a post you asking a woman to pay you if she needed help. That's messed up man. Let the girl post her experiences and stop harassing her. Anyone can read all the old posts and can see you have been a problem on this thread.
HG don't pay Fred no mind. He said he was going to write a book long time ago, maybe know one wants to read all his links. Keep fighting girlie you'll get it done!

Don
FRED

Golden, CO

#401 Sep 21, 2013
Heathersdad wrote:
Fred if you disagree with HG let her be. You said your an activist but I read a post you asking a woman to pay you if she needed help. That's messed up man. Let the girl post her experiences and stop harassing her. Anyone can read all the old posts and can see you have been a problem on this thread.
HG don't pay Fred no mind. He said he was going to write a book long time ago, maybe know one wants to read all his links. Keep fighting girlie you'll get it done!
Don
Before you use your great wisdom to rush to judgement know this, I had already written the information she needed which was extensive and directed her toward it twice. I ALSO emailed it to her personally in a word file after we exchanged P.M.'s. Some people want to be lead around by the hand and that won't cure them.

Heathersdad is a moderator From a website called healing well where they constantly are selling useless garbage to helpless people. He is going to hell.

Now Heathersdad take your regressive unfounded advice and file it.

BTW do you know anything about crashing servers?

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#402 Sep 21, 2013
FRED wrote:
<quoted text>
You came to this forum with a vast array of misinformation passing it off as irrefutable. That doesn't help anyone. I countered you on every point.
You said you were qualified to do the research because you worked in an organic juice bar and i called you a juice bar scientist. I also called you Nancy Grace because of your penchant for Drama. You admitted you are a conspiracy theorist and that is a psychological disorder.
You've told me this "Liar" strategy of yours several times because you want to keep this nonsense thread up and running so you can promote your collembola hysteria and that website you are associated with. But really those posts are particularly vapid of any real meaning.
You should probably go away and read day in and day out like I have for so very long then come back here in a year when you actually get it.
1. I don't have any misinformation. I have my story. I'm sharing it. I'm sharing what works. I'm not passing anything off as irrefutable. I'm looking for answers, and sharing what has worked for me. Shocker.

2. I never said I was qualified to do research because I worked at a juice bar (I'm not sure what qualifies someone to do research, other than an internet connection). I said I know about healing with whole foods (Paul Pitchford... now there's a *real* man with *real* answers who actually has people listen to him) and you didn't have to preach the benefits of eating raspberries and kale to me.

3. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I believe everything as a matter of course. It's the opposite of being cynical. MK Ultra is using advertising as mind control? Sure. Chemtrails are spreading Morgellons? Yeah, ok. The universe is being carried on the back of a giant turtle? Yeah... well... I believe it in the context of mythological interpretation. Jesus loves me? Yup, I'll buy that.

When someone floats a conspiracy theory at me, I accept it the same as when someone floats a religious idea at me. 100% true for them. Maybe it's true in consensual reality, but since it's impossible to prove there's no point in trying to counter it.

4. I'm not associated with any collembola website.

5. I get that you're mad at the Morgellon's people who insist that they have bugs, but you can't call them liars when they are looking at the evidence in their microscopes. It just makes you look crazy and mean. If someone says that they have bugs, nod and say "If you follow this protocol, maybe the bugs will stop being drawn to you." The lady on Healing Grapevine said that bugs still swarm around her and that ladybugs bit her twice (who gets bit by ladybugs?) She may have gotten rid of the bugs, but whatever biofilm/spirochetes/entomeoba etc caused her Morgellons is still there. If you were TACTFUL you could help lots of people. As it is, I would do Mel's protocol or Morgellon's Aid over yours. You underestimate the power of being NICE.

6. You're a d*ck who will never get anywhere in life until you look at your d*ckishness as a stumbling block on your path.

7. Help people, don't hurt their feelings. Bring them to health with love and acceptance.

Or don't. Be a d*ck and die a d*ck and fail at your assigned task.
collembolachick

Easton, CT

#403 Sep 21, 2013
The Hungry Ghosts wrote:
<quoted text>
As he himself compiled the comprehensive list of documented human cases, and on his website he says that there needs to be more research, it sounds like he's taking a a scientist's stance of covering his ass.
Shelly who started this thread said her mother-in-law sent him a sample which he positively ID'd.
As cats and horses are documented as getting infested, there's not much difference between them and us. It's like the D. Gallinae experts who said that bird mites can't reproduce on non-avian blood.... well... how is bird blood all that different from human blood? Answer: it isn't. So the D. Gallinae experts now say that humans can act as hosts.
Science is not the answer... it's the beginning of a question. What science doesn't know is far more vast than what it does know.
I know his work... that is why I consulted him. I know three other people had the same experience with him. one minute he says collembola infestation doesnt exist the next moment he was telling me to look at lyme disease. The point is he avoided connecting the dots for me and was evasive. Im just telling my own experience. The youtube video I posted has additional articles listed beneath it that are telling as to what this is. Why all of a sudden is this happening to people in the north east in the last year? As to the Paper from The national pediculosis association, one of the entymologists on there almost lost his job over it. He was actually combing out the hair of an acquaintance of mine and found multiple bugs in her hair. In a conversation with him, he wouldnt talk to me until I mentioned her name.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#404 Sep 21, 2013
The Hungry Ghosts wrote:
<quoted text>
1. I don't have any misinformation. I have my story. I'm sharing it. I'm sharing what works. I'm not passing anything off as irrefutable. I'm looking for answers, and sharing what has worked for me. Shocker.
2. I never said I was qualified to do research because I worked at a juice bar (I'm not sure what qualifies someone to do research, other than an internet connection). I said I know about healing with whole foods (Paul Pitchford... now there's a *real* man with *real* answers who actually has people listen to him) and you didn't have to preach the benefits of eating raspberries and kale to me.
3. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I believe everything as a matter of course. It's the opposite of being cynical. MK Ultra is using advertising as mind control? Sure. Chemtrails are spreading Morgellons? Yeah, ok. The universe is being carried on the back of a giant turtle? Yeah... well... I believe it in the context of mythological interpretation. Jesus loves me? Yup, I'll buy that.
When someone floats a conspiracy theory at me, I accept it the same as when someone floats a religious idea at me. 100% true for them. Maybe it's true in consensual reality, but since it's impossible to prove there's no point in trying to counter it.
4. I'm not associated with any collembola website.
5. I get that you're mad at the Morgellon's people who insist that they have bugs, but you can't call them liars when they are looking at the evidence in their microscopes. It just makes you look crazy and mean. If someone says that they have bugs, nod and say "If you follow this protocol, maybe the bugs will stop being drawn to you." The lady on Healing Grapevine said that bugs still swarm around her and that ladybugs bit her twice (who gets bit by ladybugs?) She may have gotten rid of the bugs, but whatever biofilm/spirochetes/entomeoba etc caused her Morgellons is still there. If you were TACTFUL you could help lots of people. As it is, I would do Mel's protocol or Morgellon's Aid over yours. You underestimate the power of being NICE.
6. You're a d*ck who will never get anywhere in life until you look at your d*ckishness as a stumbling block on your path.
7. Help people, don't hurt their feelings. Bring them to health with love and acceptance.
Or don't. Be a d*ck and die a d*ck and fail at your assigned task.
You're sharing what works ?! So you're cured?

You know brain infections like the one you have cause people to get angry unusually quick and start swearing at people, plus you're fabricating a lot of stuff about me.

I can sense your blood pressure going up from here.

Have you figured out how to abate that moldy mess you live in yet, fungal?

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#405 Sep 21, 2013
collembolachick wrote:
<quoted text>
I know his work... that is why I consulted him. I know three other people had the same experience with him. one minute he says collembola infestation doesnt exist the next moment he was telling me to look at lyme disease. The point is he avoided connecting the dots for me and was evasive. Im just telling my own experience. The youtube video I posted has additional articles listed beneath it that are telling as to what this is. Why all of a sudden is this happening to people in the north east in the last year? As to the Paper from The national pediculosis association, one of the entymologists on there almost lost his job over it. He was actually combing out the hair of an acquaintance of mine and found multiple bugs in her hair. In a conversation with him, he wouldnt talk to me until I mentioned her name.
This guy Janss sounds pretty smart, he was already heartily endorsed by HG as the WORLD EXPERT>

Turns out HG's world expert is on the side of reason but he doesn't have a brain infection from a variety of borrielia/co-infections. That really effects reasoning. It's like crazy people don't know they are crazy. That's why HG is still here.

The behavior problems someone acquired in youth come full force with brain infections, HG must have been starved for attention.
FRED

Golden, CO

#406 Sep 21, 2013
The world expert says;

I know his work... that is why I consulted him. I know three other people had the same experience with him. one minute he says collembola infestation doesnt exist the next moment he was telling me to look at lyme disease.

I know his work... that is why I consulted him. I know three other people had the same experience with him. one minute he says collembola infestation doesnt exist the next moment he was telling me to look at lyme disease.\

I know his work... that is why I consulted him. I know three other people had the same experience with him. one minute he says collembola infestation doesnt exist the next moment he was telling me to look at lyme disease.

I know his work... that is why I consulted him. I know three other people had the same experience with him. one minute he says collembola infestation doesnt exist the next moment he was telling me to look at lyme disease.

I know his work... that is why I consulted him. I know three other people had the same experience with him. one minute he says collembola infestation doesnt exist the next moment he was telling me to look at lyme disease.

Can you hear me now?
torment

Miami, FL

#407 Sep 21, 2013
HG I understand your reasons for defending urself but it is pointless to converse with people who only want to argue. They are wasting ur time and energy and the forum becomes more of an endless battle rather than helpful for us sufferers.
torment

Hollywood, FL

#408 Sep 21, 2013
can someone explain why I find black specks and collembola coming out of me? HG isn't the only one seeing this?Give me a scientific explanation as to why they were in my clothes, car, and skin..they popped out after I put cream on my arms. dont tell me its the environment because I moved and still found then in my clothes, house, skin and my brother, mother, and husband saw it come out of me too. They saw it..didn't understand it but believed it. If the experts don't know what makes any of you think u do? Please try to believe us. I seriously doubt that over 1000 people are delusional with the same exact bug..collembola. I never knew about this till I experienced it n saw the bugs coming out..when I went online I found out that the NPA did a research n over a thousand of people are suffering with the same symptoms. All a coincidence? We need helpful positive attitudes here pls. Any information on how to find a solution would be great for us all.

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