Collembola/Springtails

Since: Jan 13

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#397 Sep 20, 2013
FRED wrote:
You won't be cured otherwise. This is something I know how to accomplish.
I've said this before to you several times:

You can either help people or insult them, you cannot do both.

It seems to me that the latter is more important to you than the former.

If you do want to help people, and you want them to listen to you and take your advice, then you have to meet them where they are. You can't call them liars. You can't insult them if they disagree with you. And most importantly, you cannot be a hypocrite.

Until you learn these very simple lessons in tact, you will damage people's health by leading them away from your useful protocols with your bad attitude. I think your protocols are great... but I would rather do something recommended by someone nice, even if it is less effective.

Really you should go write a book... something that doesn't involve interaction with other people. If everyone who disagrees with you is a liar, then you are mighty alone on that mountain top. It really doesn't matter how right you are if no one will listen.
FRED

Golden, CO

#398 Sep 21, 2013
The Hungry Ghosts wrote:
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I've said this before to you several times:
You can either help people or insult them, you cannot do both.
It seems to me that the latter is more important to you than the former.
If you do want to help people, and you want them to listen to you and take your advice, then you have to meet them where they are. You can't call them liars. You can't insult them if they disagree with you. And most importantly, you cannot be a hypocrite.
Until you learn these very simple lessons in tact, you will damage people's health by leading them away from your useful protocols with your bad attitude. I think your protocols are great... but I would rather do something recommended by someone nice, even if it is less effective.
Really you should go write a book... something that doesn't involve interaction with other people. If everyone who disagrees with you is a liar, then you are mighty alone on that mountain top. It really doesn't matter how right you are if no one will listen.
You came to this forum with a vast array of misinformation passing it off as irrefutable. That doesn't help anyone. I countered you on every point.

You said you were qualified to do the research because you worked in an organic juice bar and i called you a juice bar scientist. I also called you Nancy Grace because of your penchant for Drama. You admitted you are a conspiracy theorist and that is a psychological disorder.

You've told me this "Liar" strategy of yours several times because you want to keep this nonsense thread up and running so you can promote your collembola hysteria and that website you are associated with. But really those posts are particularly vapid of any real meaning.

You should probably go away and read day in and day out like I have for so very long then come back here in a year when you actually get it.
torment

Hollywood, FL

#399 Sep 21, 2013
angel wrote:
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Try burning menthol crystals in the car in a coffee cup on a cup warmer. Do for a few hours every night. Made a big difference in my car. also burn them in your home. I spray my car with Kleen Green a few times each week. Then every night when I come home I wipe down all the hard surfaces in my car with a Lysol antibacterial wipe. Works great. Hardly any problmes any more.
will menthol kill the eggs too? Or do I have to do it constantly?
Heathersdad

Bronx, NY

#400 Sep 21, 2013
Fred if you disagree with HG let her be. You said your an activist but I read a post you asking a woman to pay you if she needed help. That's messed up man. Let the girl post her experiences and stop harassing her. Anyone can read all the old posts and can see you have been a problem on this thread.
HG don't pay Fred no mind. He said he was going to write a book long time ago, maybe know one wants to read all his links. Keep fighting girlie you'll get it done!

Don
FRED

Golden, CO

#401 Sep 21, 2013
Heathersdad wrote:
Fred if you disagree with HG let her be. You said your an activist but I read a post you asking a woman to pay you if she needed help. That's messed up man. Let the girl post her experiences and stop harassing her. Anyone can read all the old posts and can see you have been a problem on this thread.
HG don't pay Fred no mind. He said he was going to write a book long time ago, maybe know one wants to read all his links. Keep fighting girlie you'll get it done!
Don
Before you use your great wisdom to rush to judgement know this, I had already written the information she needed which was extensive and directed her toward it twice. I ALSO emailed it to her personally in a word file after we exchanged P.M.'s. Some people want to be lead around by the hand and that won't cure them.

Heathersdad is a moderator From a website called healing well where they constantly are selling useless garbage to helpless people. He is going to hell.

Now Heathersdad take your regressive unfounded advice and file it.

BTW do you know anything about crashing servers?

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#402 Sep 21, 2013
FRED wrote:
<quoted text>
You came to this forum with a vast array of misinformation passing it off as irrefutable. That doesn't help anyone. I countered you on every point.
You said you were qualified to do the research because you worked in an organic juice bar and i called you a juice bar scientist. I also called you Nancy Grace because of your penchant for Drama. You admitted you are a conspiracy theorist and that is a psychological disorder.
You've told me this "Liar" strategy of yours several times because you want to keep this nonsense thread up and running so you can promote your collembola hysteria and that website you are associated with. But really those posts are particularly vapid of any real meaning.
You should probably go away and read day in and day out like I have for so very long then come back here in a year when you actually get it.
1. I don't have any misinformation. I have my story. I'm sharing it. I'm sharing what works. I'm not passing anything off as irrefutable. I'm looking for answers, and sharing what has worked for me. Shocker.

2. I never said I was qualified to do research because I worked at a juice bar (I'm not sure what qualifies someone to do research, other than an internet connection). I said I know about healing with whole foods (Paul Pitchford... now there's a *real* man with *real* answers who actually has people listen to him) and you didn't have to preach the benefits of eating raspberries and kale to me.

3. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I believe everything as a matter of course. It's the opposite of being cynical. MK Ultra is using advertising as mind control? Sure. Chemtrails are spreading Morgellons? Yeah, ok. The universe is being carried on the back of a giant turtle? Yeah... well... I believe it in the context of mythological interpretation. Jesus loves me? Yup, I'll buy that.

When someone floats a conspiracy theory at me, I accept it the same as when someone floats a religious idea at me. 100% true for them. Maybe it's true in consensual reality, but since it's impossible to prove there's no point in trying to counter it.

4. I'm not associated with any collembola website.

5. I get that you're mad at the Morgellon's people who insist that they have bugs, but you can't call them liars when they are looking at the evidence in their microscopes. It just makes you look crazy and mean. If someone says that they have bugs, nod and say "If you follow this protocol, maybe the bugs will stop being drawn to you." The lady on Healing Grapevine said that bugs still swarm around her and that ladybugs bit her twice (who gets bit by ladybugs?) She may have gotten rid of the bugs, but whatever biofilm/spirochetes/entomeoba etc caused her Morgellons is still there. If you were TACTFUL you could help lots of people. As it is, I would do Mel's protocol or Morgellon's Aid over yours. You underestimate the power of being NICE.

6. You're a d*ck who will never get anywhere in life until you look at your d*ckishness as a stumbling block on your path.

7. Help people, don't hurt their feelings. Bring them to health with love and acceptance.

Or don't. Be a d*ck and die a d*ck and fail at your assigned task.
collembolachick

Easton, CT

#403 Sep 21, 2013
The Hungry Ghosts wrote:
<quoted text>
As he himself compiled the comprehensive list of documented human cases, and on his website he says that there needs to be more research, it sounds like he's taking a a scientist's stance of covering his ass.
Shelly who started this thread said her mother-in-law sent him a sample which he positively ID'd.
As cats and horses are documented as getting infested, there's not much difference between them and us. It's like the D. Gallinae experts who said that bird mites can't reproduce on non-avian blood.... well... how is bird blood all that different from human blood? Answer: it isn't. So the D. Gallinae experts now say that humans can act as hosts.
Science is not the answer... it's the beginning of a question. What science doesn't know is far more vast than what it does know.
I know his work... that is why I consulted him. I know three other people had the same experience with him. one minute he says collembola infestation doesnt exist the next moment he was telling me to look at lyme disease. The point is he avoided connecting the dots for me and was evasive. Im just telling my own experience. The youtube video I posted has additional articles listed beneath it that are telling as to what this is. Why all of a sudden is this happening to people in the north east in the last year? As to the Paper from The national pediculosis association, one of the entymologists on there almost lost his job over it. He was actually combing out the hair of an acquaintance of mine and found multiple bugs in her hair. In a conversation with him, he wouldnt talk to me until I mentioned her name.

Since: May 12

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#404 Sep 21, 2013
The Hungry Ghosts wrote:
<quoted text>
1. I don't have any misinformation. I have my story. I'm sharing it. I'm sharing what works. I'm not passing anything off as irrefutable. I'm looking for answers, and sharing what has worked for me. Shocker.
2. I never said I was qualified to do research because I worked at a juice bar (I'm not sure what qualifies someone to do research, other than an internet connection). I said I know about healing with whole foods (Paul Pitchford... now there's a *real* man with *real* answers who actually has people listen to him) and you didn't have to preach the benefits of eating raspberries and kale to me.
3. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I believe everything as a matter of course. It's the opposite of being cynical. MK Ultra is using advertising as mind control? Sure. Chemtrails are spreading Morgellons? Yeah, ok. The universe is being carried on the back of a giant turtle? Yeah... well... I believe it in the context of mythological interpretation. Jesus loves me? Yup, I'll buy that.
When someone floats a conspiracy theory at me, I accept it the same as when someone floats a religious idea at me. 100% true for them. Maybe it's true in consensual reality, but since it's impossible to prove there's no point in trying to counter it.
4. I'm not associated with any collembola website.
5. I get that you're mad at the Morgellon's people who insist that they have bugs, but you can't call them liars when they are looking at the evidence in their microscopes. It just makes you look crazy and mean. If someone says that they have bugs, nod and say "If you follow this protocol, maybe the bugs will stop being drawn to you." The lady on Healing Grapevine said that bugs still swarm around her and that ladybugs bit her twice (who gets bit by ladybugs?) She may have gotten rid of the bugs, but whatever biofilm/spirochetes/entomeoba etc caused her Morgellons is still there. If you were TACTFUL you could help lots of people. As it is, I would do Mel's protocol or Morgellon's Aid over yours. You underestimate the power of being NICE.
6. You're a d*ck who will never get anywhere in life until you look at your d*ckishness as a stumbling block on your path.
7. Help people, don't hurt their feelings. Bring them to health with love and acceptance.
Or don't. Be a d*ck and die a d*ck and fail at your assigned task.
You're sharing what works ?! So you're cured?

You know brain infections like the one you have cause people to get angry unusually quick and start swearing at people, plus you're fabricating a lot of stuff about me.

I can sense your blood pressure going up from here.

Have you figured out how to abate that moldy mess you live in yet, fungal?

Since: May 12

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#405 Sep 21, 2013
collembolachick wrote:
<quoted text>
I know his work... that is why I consulted him. I know three other people had the same experience with him. one minute he says collembola infestation doesnt exist the next moment he was telling me to look at lyme disease. The point is he avoided connecting the dots for me and was evasive. Im just telling my own experience. The youtube video I posted has additional articles listed beneath it that are telling as to what this is. Why all of a sudden is this happening to people in the north east in the last year? As to the Paper from The national pediculosis association, one of the entymologists on there almost lost his job over it. He was actually combing out the hair of an acquaintance of mine and found multiple bugs in her hair. In a conversation with him, he wouldnt talk to me until I mentioned her name.
This guy Janss sounds pretty smart, he was already heartily endorsed by HG as the WORLD EXPERT>

Turns out HG's world expert is on the side of reason but he doesn't have a brain infection from a variety of borrielia/co-infections. That really effects reasoning. It's like crazy people don't know they are crazy. That's why HG is still here.

The behavior problems someone acquired in youth come full force with brain infections, HG must have been starved for attention.
FRED

Golden, CO

#406 Sep 21, 2013
The world expert says;

I know his work... that is why I consulted him. I know three other people had the same experience with him. one minute he says collembola infestation doesnt exist the next moment he was telling me to look at lyme disease.

I know his work... that is why I consulted him. I know three other people had the same experience with him. one minute he says collembola infestation doesnt exist the next moment he was telling me to look at lyme disease.\

I know his work... that is why I consulted him. I know three other people had the same experience with him. one minute he says collembola infestation doesnt exist the next moment he was telling me to look at lyme disease.

I know his work... that is why I consulted him. I know three other people had the same experience with him. one minute he says collembola infestation doesnt exist the next moment he was telling me to look at lyme disease.

I know his work... that is why I consulted him. I know three other people had the same experience with him. one minute he says collembola infestation doesnt exist the next moment he was telling me to look at lyme disease.

Can you hear me now?
torment

Miami, FL

#407 Sep 21, 2013
HG I understand your reasons for defending urself but it is pointless to converse with people who only want to argue. They are wasting ur time and energy and the forum becomes more of an endless battle rather than helpful for us sufferers.
torment

Hollywood, FL

#408 Sep 21, 2013
can someone explain why I find black specks and collembola coming out of me? HG isn't the only one seeing this?Give me a scientific explanation as to why they were in my clothes, car, and skin..they popped out after I put cream on my arms. dont tell me its the environment because I moved and still found then in my clothes, house, skin and my brother, mother, and husband saw it come out of me too. They saw it..didn't understand it but believed it. If the experts don't know what makes any of you think u do? Please try to believe us. I seriously doubt that over 1000 people are delusional with the same exact bug..collembola. I never knew about this till I experienced it n saw the bugs coming out..when I went online I found out that the NPA did a research n over a thousand of people are suffering with the same symptoms. All a coincidence? We need helpful positive attitudes here pls. Any information on how to find a solution would be great for us all.
collembolachick

Easton, CT

#409 Sep 21, 2013
FRED wrote:
Well apparently The WORLD EXPERT on Collembola says that Collembolla don't infest people. I guess he would know.
CC says
"As to Frans Janssens, he lied to me on the phone,stating collembola donT infest humans. He asked me as they all do, how do you.know your not delusional? Well I'm an artist. I can draw and can draw what I see. e has lied to many credible people In our community."
You get these people like HG and CC that are so sure of themselves once they come up with a working scenario that fits the model of their beliefs that they discount anything that doesn't support it.
Artist observations aren't very reliable for scientific analysis.
HG posted this Frans guy as absolute fact but CC refutes its. Anything HG has posted on this forum is absolute fact until she figures out otherwise then she just changes the subject or leaves for a few weeks until she can come back and whip up another round of collembola hysteria.
Well fred how do you explain all the collembola carcasses, eggs and grit coming off of me? There are legs. They look like photos on Frans Janssens website. I have looked at eggs, they have a tail. coming from my skin from the inside. Frans Janssens said my photo was an Amorph particle. What the hell is that?

I also early on, had some jump on me from the washing machine. putting the microscope on my face where there was crawling, one dove into my pore. watched it crawl under the skin. unfortunately for me, I did not get that on video.

So no Fred, you are right about somethings, but this infestation is really happening to many people I have befriended. This is not being made up. Have you reviewed the scientific evidence from the links under the video or not? From what i gather, I base my information on my own experience.
I know a woman who went before Grand rounds at Mount Sinai as the first documented case. So please , stop it. Frans Janssens was in denial with her as well. Who is he running interference for? are you doing the same?

I left everything behind including the moldy infested house. Living starkly and managing my environment. the neem is working for me. Not sure where are basing your information on neem from, but Id like to see that. Further, Family members got it from me as well as the animals. I have seen collembola come out of the dog. and come out of his lesions. I have seen them come out of my lesions. I have seen them come from my nose and my mouth. I coughed up microscopic eggs from my lungs!!!

What resonates for you is for you. While you have good information, you don't have to be right. and you could be wrong.

You were in the Navy. Let's get real here. Can anyone say operation Northwoods? Operation Paperclip? Dr Erich Traub?

And as for Getting help from those who have websites or whatever SSV, i certainly was happy to have the support when I needed it most. A short cut is a short cut when I didnt have the where-with-all to research more than I was physically able. They helped me get to where I am now.
FRED

Golden, CO

#410 Sep 21, 2013
torment wrote:
can someone explain why I find black specks and collembola coming out of me? HG isn't the only one seeing this?Give me a scientific explanation as to why they were in my clothes, car, and skin..they popped out after I put cream on my arms. dont tell me its the environment because I moved and still found then in my clothes, house, skin and my brother, mother, and husband saw it come out of me too. They saw it..didn't understand it but believed it. If the experts don't know what makes any of you think u do? Please try to believe us. I seriously doubt that over 1000 people are delusional with the same exact bug..collembola. I never knew about this till I experienced it n saw the bugs coming out..when I went online I found out that the NPA did a research n over a thousand of people are suffering with the same symptoms. All a coincidence? We need helpful positive attitudes here pls. Any information on how to find a solution would be great for us all.
try putting those "collembola" under magnification of 60x then reassess.

Collembola don't infest people.

better yet send your "collembola" to an entomology lab like.

http://research.calacademy.org/ent/resources

then you can get a real diagnosis instead of buying into hysteria.
FRED

Golden, CO

#411 Sep 21, 2013
Black specks.

http://f1000research.com/articles/2-118/v1

"Figure 5. A "black speck" removed from the skin in Morgellons disease is red and magnified 500x."
FRED

Golden, CO

#412 Sep 21, 2013
The morgellons formations look just like collembola, get a magnifier.
FRED

Golden, CO

#413 Sep 21, 2013
collembolachick wrote:
<quoted text>
Well fred how do you explain all the collembola carcasses, eggs and grit coming off of me? There are legs. They look like photos on Frans Janssens website. I have looked at eggs, they have a tail. coming from my skin from the inside. Frans Janssens said my photo was an Amorph particle. What the hell is that?
I also early on, had some jump on me from the washing machine. putting the microscope on my face where there was crawling, one dove into my pore. watched it crawl under the skin. unfortunately for me, I did not get that on video.
So no Fred, you are right about somethings, but this infestation is really happening to many people I have befriended. This is not being made up. Have you reviewed the scientific evidence from the links under the video or not? From what i gather, I base my information on my own experience.
I know a woman who went before Grand rounds at Mount Sinai as the first documented case. So please , stop it. Frans Janssens was in denial with her as well. Who is he running interference for? are you doing the same?
I left everything behind including the moldy infested house. Living starkly and managing my environment. the neem is working for me. Not sure where are basing your information on neem from, but Id like to see that. Further, Family members got it from me as well as the animals. I have seen collembola come out of the dog. and come out of his lesions. I have seen them come out of my lesions. I have seen them come from my nose and my mouth. I coughed up microscopic eggs from my lungs!!!
What resonates for you is for you. While you have good information, you don't have to be right. and you could be wrong.
You were in the Navy. Let's get real here. Can anyone say operation Northwoods? Operation Paperclip? Dr Erich Traub?
And as for Getting help from those who have websites or whatever SSV, i certainly was happy to have the support when I needed it most. A short cut is a short cut when I didnt have the where-with-all to research more than I was physically able. They helped me get to where I am now.
The RATIONAL explanation is that your environment is full of them and that is the first step of your recovery. Fix that. OR get a magnifier.

Either way the collembola, weather there or not, are a very minor issue compared to the infections they pass.
FRED

Golden, CO

#414 Sep 21, 2013
collembolachick wrote:
<quoted text>
Well fred how do you explain all the collembola carcasses, eggs and grit coming off of me? There are legs. They look like photos on Frans Janssens website. I have looked at eggs, they have a tail. coming from my skin from the inside. Frans Janssens said my photo was an Amorph particle. What the hell is that?
I also early on, had some jump on me from the washing machine. putting the microscope on my face where there was crawling, one dove into my pore. watched it crawl under the skin. unfortunately for me, I did not get that on video.
So no Fred, you are right about somethings, but this infestation is really happening to many people I have befriended. This is not being made up. Have you reviewed the scientific evidence from the links under the video or not? From what i gather, I base my information on my own experience.
I know a woman who went before Grand rounds at Mount Sinai as the first documented case. So please , stop it. Frans Janssens was in denial with her as well. Who is he running interference for? are you doing the same?
I left everything behind including the moldy infested house. Living starkly and managing my environment. the neem is working for me. Not sure where are basing your information on neem from, but Id like to see that. Further, Family members got it from me as well as the animals. I have seen collembola come out of the dog. and come out of his lesions. I have seen them come out of my lesions. I have seen them come from my nose and my mouth. I coughed up microscopic eggs from my lungs!!!
What resonates for you is for you. While you have good information, you don't have to be right. and you could be wrong.
You were in the Navy. Let's get real here. Can anyone say operation Northwoods? Operation Paperclip? Dr Erich Traub?
And as for Getting help from those who have websites or whatever SSV, i certainly was happy to have the support when I needed it most. A short cut is a short cut when I didnt have the where-with-all to research more than I was physically able. They helped me get to where I am now.
There is a bacteria in nature that is incredibly unique. It is capable of creating a disease in plants called crown gall disease. In crown gall disease there is the formation of neoplasms. The neoplasms are layers of callus tissue. They use this bacteria in genetic engineering because it alone as a bacteria is capable of horizontal gene transfer. The "collembola" people see when they have morgellons are actually tapered cylinders of this neoplasm tissue and they also have fibers protruding out of them that are easily mistaken for legs.

At one point I thought I had Collembola also, for two months, Until I got some good magnification and extensively reviewed everything I could find that was pertinent.

That bacteria is called agrobacterium.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#415 Sep 21, 2013
torment wrote:
can someone explain why I find black specks and collembola coming out of me? HG isn't the only one seeing this?Give me a scientific explanation as to why they were in my clothes, car, and skin..they popped out after I put cream on my arms. dont tell me its the environment because I moved and still found then in my clothes, house, skin and my brother, mother, and husband saw it come out of me too. They saw it..didn't understand it but believed it. If the experts don't know what makes any of you think u do? Please try to believe us. I seriously doubt that over 1000 people are delusional with the same exact bug..collembola. I never knew about this till I experienced it n saw the bugs coming out..when I went online I found out that the NPA did a research n over a thousand of people are suffering with the same symptoms. All a coincidence? We need helpful positive attitudes here pls. Any information on how to find a solution would be great for us all.
It's well over a thousand. Just do a google search for "Black Specks Coming Out of My Skin" and read any scabies or morgellons forum (the ones Fred has been tossed out of for being a d*ck). The invisibleparasites.com guy says he gets 1,500 hits on his website each month.... the TV news segment about it said they got hundreds of calls after it aired.

There's a ton of people who think they have scabies (or Morgellons) who actually have collembola infestations. Not all the Morgellons people have collembola, and not all the collembola people have Morgellons. Same goes for mold... the vector for my problem definitely was mold, not a tick... but the upshot is basically the same.

There's some internal thing (a la Fred's borrelia/babesia et al, or filaria or entomoeba or candida, etc) which is calling the bugs to you (the pheromones). Bugs are everywhere, and if you don't do the internal thing, they'll just keep coming!

But you do also need to clean up you environment (clothes, car, etc) because part of the problem is them living in your house when they need to be outside. And if you do live in FL... lord help you! I was there this summer and nearly every bathroom I went in springtails jumped on my legs. I asked the locals who were working for me what was up with the bugs and they said "Oh yeah - there's a million of them... and those tiny red ones BITE." Ugh!

I think the Morgellons protocols are the best bet... Mel's or Morgellonsaid or Hulda Clark or Fred if you can stomach his personality disorder.

Since: Jan 13

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#416 Sep 21, 2013
lotus_fan wrote:
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You're sharing what works ?! So you're cured?
You know brain infections like the one you have cause people to get angry unusually quick and start swearing at people, plus you're fabricating a lot of stuff about me.
I can sense your blood pressure going up from here.
Have you figured out how to abate that moldy mess you live in yet, fungal?
So glad you decided to be nice Fred. Get anyone to follow your protocol with that mouth of yours?

Winning hearts and minds... not.

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