Re-infestation and Clothing

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#1 Oct 3, 2010
I read alot of information about how to get them out of clothing, honestly I cannot afford to throw anything away.

So I have been using Arm & Hammer, Borax, baking soda, washing soda with peroxide and bleach when able to, I find that with washables, that if I leave them soaking in a tub a few things at a time for up to a week or more, it seems to be helping with decontamination but it is a slow process, looking for new ideas perhaps something that works quicker.
Anybody heard of a product called Kleen Free Naturally? I read a few reviews, just wanted to know if anyone had any success with this product.

My biggest issue as always though and because winter is once again upon us, has anyone heard of any new ways to deal with this in wool coats and leather shoes, belts etc. that cannot be washed?
Perhaps a safe spray that actually works or some mixture that will not harm these particular items, have tried steaming and using cedar chips while tied in plastic for months on end, just isn't enough.

I read a post one time about the Hot Shot hot strips, I have to say that I have been more than a little leery about trying them but if they really do work with little or no side effect, I am willing to give this a try too by now, if anyone has tried anything else to deal with this in dry clean only garments and shoes, belts, etc. I would appreciate any and all responses, for me with the exception of scalp contamination being the hardest area to cure, I have had times when I felt that I might be getting over this, then I would put on a pair of shoes or a coat and be right back where I started from.

Hopefully there is something new that I missed while away trying all the other remedies.

Thanks in advance to anyone who cares to respond.
Fed up-

Olympia, WA

#2 Oct 5, 2010
I feel your pain! I can't seem to get rid of these things and we are working on two months now. Dr trip after Dr trip and follow their advice to a T! I was wondering about clothing as well! I put on the cream (3 times now) wash the bedding, put the kids stuffed animals away in a bag, wash clothing etc and about 5 days later, I feel the itch again on the hands, back, ribcage, under the buttocks, stomache... ankles you name it. I heard that they cant live after 3 days... so how are the little buggers sticking around! Its alot of work to go through this on a weekly basis... I am not sure if I believe it, but my Dr told me they can't live in hats, belts, coats etc. Doesn't make much sense to me ... can they live in the rugs???? Oh, I am so desperate to rid my family of these. I am a clean freak and losing my head over all this...YUCK!
Aaron

Hollywood, FL

#3 Oct 5, 2010
Fed up- wrote:
I feel your pain! I can't seem to get rid of these things and we are working on two months now. Dr trip after Dr trip and follow their advice to a T! I was wondering about clothing as well! I put on the cream (3 times now) wash the bedding, put the kids stuffed animals away in a bag, wash clothing etc and about 5 days later, I feel the itch again on the hands, back, ribcage, under the buttocks, stomache... ankles you name it. I heard that they cant live after 3 days... so how are the little buggers sticking around! Its alot of work to go through this on a weekly basis... I am not sure if I believe it, but my Dr told me they can't live in hats, belts, coats etc. Doesn't make much sense to me ... can they live in the rugs???? Oh, I am so desperate to rid my family of these. I am a clean freak and losing my head over all this...YUCK!
Scabies mites don't live that long in the environment. They can live in hats, belts, coats. Especiallly if you use the same hat, belt and coat every day. Leave them in a locked room for about two weeks, and they should be mite free. The canine scabies live a little longer than the regular vanilla variety of human scabies, and bird mites live even longer than the canine scabies. It all depends on your immunity, how infested you are, and your age.
Yes, they can live in the rugs. Best to put some cheap shower curtains down; that way you can slop mop the plastic with bleach water. or put some borax down on your carpet, brush it in really good and let it sit for a few days. if you put plastic over the carpet, the mites will die under that plastic.
Aaron

Hollywood, FL

#4 Oct 5, 2010
WayTooMuch wrote:
I read alot of information about how to get them out of clothing, honestly I cannot afford to throw anything away.
So I have been using Arm & Hammer, Borax, baking soda, washing soda with peroxide and bleach when able to, I find that with washables, that if I leave them soaking in a tub a few things at a time for up to a week or more, it seems to be helping with decontamination but it is a slow process, looking for new ideas perhaps something that works quicker.
Anybody heard of a product called Kleen Free Naturally? I read a few reviews, just wanted to know if anyone had any success with this product.
My biggest issue as always though and because winter is once again upon us, has anyone heard of any new ways to deal with this in wool coats and leather shoes, belts etc. that cannot be washed?
Perhaps a safe spray that actually works or some mixture that will not harm these particular items, have tried steaming and using cedar chips while tied in plastic for months on end, just isn't enough.
I read a post one time about the Hot Shot hot strips, I have to say that I have been more than a little leery about trying them but if they really do work with little or no side effect, I am willing to give this a try too by now, if anyone has tried anything else to deal with this in dry clean only garments and shoes, belts, etc. I would appreciate any and all responses, for me with the exception of scalp contamination being the hardest area to cure, I have had times when I felt that I might be getting over this, then I would put on a pair of shoes or a coat and be right back where I started from.
Hopefully there is something new that I missed while away trying all the other remedies.
Thanks in advance to anyone who cares to respond.
have you tried putting your shoes in the microwave for a FEW seconds at a time?
What about wrapping your leather shoes in air tight plastic bag and then freezing them...
or try buy a few pair of cheap shoes and then rotating them. never wearing the same pair every day.
bury them in a box or borax?
oh heck yeah, try those hot shot strip in an air tight bag. if you cut off their air supply, they can't last long.
do you weigh your clothes down in the tub? you have to weigh them down when soaking them, because the mites float to the topof the water line and reenter into the clothes. HOT WATER 130 degrees kills these mites. if you can get the water scalding hot, that works. or boiling them works better, but it's alot of work. i have switch my cold and hot water tubs going to my washer and do both wash and cold rinse in only scalding hot water. and that does it for mine.
you can buy 100 benzyl benzoate from researchsupply.net . look for solvents and look for benzyl benzoate. you can put like a half ounce of that in your laundry. it is defiintely a mite killer.
Aaron

Hollywood, FL

#5 Oct 5, 2010
I meant to say 100% benzyl benzoate.
incognito

Atlanta, GA

#6 Oct 5, 2010
FedUp: You might have collembola mites, which love cotton. I have had them for over a year and finally I'm seeing improvement, but my clothing is
the biggest problem. Have eliminated all cotton fabric from my home. Using Windex on floors, sulfur soap daily, Target disinfecting wipes kill them with "benzyl aluminum chlorides". Another item that works but expensive is concentrated permethrin (35%) from Do My Own Pest Control. I put 4 oz in a spray bottle and fill with water. This works well but still does not kill them all out of clothing, even with prolonged soaking. I plan to try the Cedar-cide laundry product soon.
incognito

Atlanta, GA

#7 Oct 5, 2010
Additionally, I soaked my clothing under plain water for three weeks, and they survived. I would do anything to find a way to wash them out of my clothes. I have thrown away thousands of $ in clothing.
Helping you

Temecula, CA

#8 Oct 5, 2010
Iron you clothes if you can.They can't survive that! Unfortunately the microwave can set your clothes on fire. So be very careful!!! I don't know if the freezer works, but it is worth a try! FOOD GRADE Diotenacious Earth is great for the invironment! But don't inhale it especially if you hgave asthma. It kills those suckers in hours and it isn't poisonous. It leaves a film if you use it with a liquid to apply it. Then just vacumn after a couple days. About 3 treatments should clean up your invironment. Don't forget your mattress and car. It probably would be best to get a plastic cover for your mattress.
buggie

Santa Fe, NM

#9 Oct 18, 2010
Fed up- wrote:
I feel your pain! I can't seem to get rid of these things and we are working on two months now. Dr trip after Dr trip and follow their advice to a T! I was wondering about clothing as well! I put on the cream (3 times now) wash the bedding, put the kids stuffed animals away in a bag, wash clothing etc and about 5 days later, I feel the itch again on the hands, back, ribcage, under the buttocks, stomache... ankles you name it. I heard that they cant live after 3 days... so how are the little buggers sticking around! Its alot of work to go through this on a weekly basis... I am not sure if I believe it, but my Dr told me they can't live in hats, belts, coats etc. Doesn't make much sense to me ... can they live in the rugs???? Oh, I am so desperate to rid my family of these. I am a clean freak and losing my head over all this...YUCK!
Your doctor is decades behind the bugs I wouldn't even listen to him. Bugs adapt and evolve quickly and are way ahead of us in the survival and breeding department. They are too busy breeding to read the scientific journals. Two months is nothing. You'll have to have good habits for the rest of your life. I don't own any comforters and I will never buy one again. The best best best thing to use for the rest of your life for the wash is Arm and Hammer POWDERED laundry detergent in 160 degree hot water (all laundry and soaking too). If you can dry clothes in a VERY HOT DRYER for two solid hours and then bag tight in a plastic bag you will be assured that your clothing and bedding is uncontaminated. Don't let clean clothes TOUCH ANYTHING no surfaces, no folding held against your body, bag straight out of the dryer.
Dirty clothes bag and sprinkly the powdered laundry detergent inside the bag or borax.
I don't want to own carpets and even upholstered sofas and I've been cured for a year or more. I am in the market for a sofa and will buy a vinyl sofa that's comfy if I can find the right one. Bugs LOVE LOVE LOVE leather which is porous to them. It's the skin of a cow and they LOVE cows, horses, deer etc.
Stuffed animals: that's hard because kids love their stuffed animals. There's some wand you can buy at costco to ultraviolet the stuffed toys and it kills dustmites. It's $60 pricey. But I would wash them in arm and hammer powdered laundry detergent and boiling water IF there was no option of throwing them out.
Of course bugs can live in HATS. LOL. Carpets and rugs are their condos and are DIFFICULT better to get rid of them. Coats that cannot be washed are garbage fodder in my opinion. Bugs or eggs will live on a heavy wool coat for months or even years. I can't explain it I just know it. I love Best Yet by Cedarcide and a spray or wipe of that on surfaces really helps on belts, Shoes, leather couches and chairs, TV remote controls, doorknobs computer keyboards and TV screens CARS, etc. Awesome stuff and you can fog the house with it if your tiny bugs float in the air like mine did. You are cleaning but cleaning the wrong way. Your cleaning contaminates and spreads. Put borax or boric acid in your vacuum bag. Get baby wipes and have everyone in the house wipe their feet a lot. No socks worn inside the house. Mop with borax and water or windex.
Put a hotshot no pest strip in the car and spray your seatbelts with best yet...windex if you don't have best yet.
BeingEatenAlive

Sacramento, CA

#10 Oct 21, 2010
>> Bugs or eggs will live on a heavy wool coat for months or even years. I can't explain it I just know it.

I disagree. Scabies mites are not supposed to be able to live off the human body for more than 3 days. I find it hard to believe that anything could survive "months or years" without nutrition. The eggs are laid in human or animal tissue, so that would negate a wool coat as a vector as well.
FreakinBiteMe

Brooklyn, NY

#11 Oct 21, 2010
BeingEatenAlive wrote:
>> Bugs or eggs will live on a heavy wool coat for months or even years. I can't explain it I just know it.
I disagree. Scabies mites are not supposed to be able to live off the human body for more than 3 days. I find it hard to believe that anything could survive "months or years" without nutrition. The eggs are laid in human or animal tissue, so that would negate a wool coat as a vector as well.
Hi,
If our mites died after a mere three days, then why are there tens of thousands of posts on this forum from thousands of people looking for help from this "phantom menance"?
BeingEatenAlive

Sacramento, CA

#12 Oct 23, 2010
FreakinBiteMe wrote:
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Hi,
If our mites died after a mere three days, then why are there tens of thousands of posts on this forum from thousands of people looking for help from this "phantom menance"?
I never used the term "phantom menance" and I stand by my statement, which was that I find it hard to believe that anything can live for months and years without nutrition.

I have also come to the conclusion that most of the folks in these forums do not have the precise "scabies" pest as described by current U.S. medical industry literature.

We have something worse.

For sake of arguement, let's call it Super Scabies. It could be genetic combinations of mange, bird mites, dust mites, or even some sort of mite that was never studied that made a jump from one species to another.

Getting back on topic, I believe the best chance to beat this Super Scabies bug is to present it with the most hostile environment as possible, without harming ourselves in the process.

Re-infestation via clothing and bedding is probably the biggest challange.

I've wrapped my mattress in thick vinyl and put my pillows in heavy sealed storage bags. It sounds like I'm inside a candy wrapper when I go to sleep these days. I spray these items daily with Windex (the kind with ammonia) and wipe them down with paper towels. I change sheets and pillow cases every day, and place the dirty sheets in sealed garbage bags sprayed with 40% DEET. After 2-3 days, I wash the sheets in borax and laundry soap. I treat my clothes the same way, except I have only used baking soda in my shoes so far. I will start bagging and freezing my shoes if I get any bites or burrows below my shins.

I have three sets of blankets that I use, and rotate them nightly. I spray them with Pronto Plus (supposed to kill bedbugs and dust mites, it was the most specific insecticide I could find.) They are then placed in sealed bags for two days, and then I try to air them out the day I will be using them.

Around the house, I don't sit in upholstered furniture anymore. I have folding steel chairs that I spray and wipe down with Windex or Lysol.

I seem to be gaining ground, but winter is coming fast, and I'm concerned about coats and hats. I may just spray them with DEET and hope for the best, although I'm considering buying a couple more coats, and bagging, spraying and rotating them like the blankets.

If these methods work, I'll probably maintain this program for at least two months after I'm symptom-free.

FreakinBiteMe

Brooklyn, NY

#13 Oct 23, 2010
BeingEatenAlive wrote:
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I never used the term "phantom menance" and I stand by my statement, which was that I find it hard to believe that anything can live for months and years without nutrition.
I have also come to the conclusion that most of the folks in these forums do not have the precise "scabies" pest as described by current U.S. medical industry literature.
We have something worse>>>
>>>I change sheets and pillow cases every day, and place the dirty sheets in sealed garbage bags sprayed with 40% DEET. After 2-3 days, I wash the sheets in borax and laundry soap. I treat my clothes the same way, except I have only used baking soda in my shoes so far. I will start bagging and freezing my shoes if I get any bites or burrows below my shins.
I have three sets of blankets that I use, and rotate them nightly. I spray them with Pronto Plus (supposed to kill bedbugs and dust mites, it was the most specific insecticide I could find.) They are then placed in sealed bags for two days, and then I try to air them out the day I will be using them.
Around the house, I don't sit in upholstered furniture anymore. I have folding steel chairs that I spray and wipe down with Windex or Lysol.
I seem to be gaining ground, but winter is coming fast, and I'm concerned about coats and hats. I may just spray them with DEET and hope for the best, although I'm considering buying a couple more coats, and bagging, spraying and rotating them like the blankets.
If these methods work, I'll probably maintain this program for at least two months after I'm symptom-free.
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Hi BeingEatenAlive,
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I seem to have misunderstood what you meant in the earlier post, and I'm sorry. Jeezus, it sounds like you're in a tough spot, with all the work cleaning/sterilizing to get rid of these freakin mites. I'm worried about you with all the DEET and PRONTO use. I know we shouldn't have DEET on/around us 24/7, and the PRONTO cans I bought as a miticide say to leave the room for most of the day to let it air out after spraying. Have you tried putting the blankets in a hot dryer for an hour each day when you change the sheets? It seems to work for me...and I wash them every three to five days, washing them in ultra hot water, Wisk Hi Effeciency Laundry soap (everyone says to use Arm and Hammer Powder, but that makes my machine over suds) and a TON of Twenty Mule Team Borax, and three Bounce dryer sheets. It's hard on the blankets, so I'm probably going to get some cheap ones from Target or Walmart to replace them when they finally fall apart. I double bagged my comforters, and put them away.
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Check out the posts on cleaning with Armed and Fabulous, itchygirl and buggie (plus others)...itchygirl used Hot Shot No Pest Strips in laundry bags, her car and elsewhere. Maybe you could bag a couple of sets of winter outdoor clothing w/the Hot Shot Strips for two days, then air out one out when you need it. I'm worried about the cold weather laundry needs, too! All this wash is killing me, so I'm thinking of doing the three day bagged cycles, too.
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The DEET is more of a repellant, right? I'm putting a cut and paste from the EPA about DEET for you...the EPA said DEET is only for short term use, but we have to do what we have to do. Good Luck in the War against this plague!
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"Safety review of DEET completed in 1998

After completing a comprehensive re-assessment of DEET, EPA concluded that, as long as consumers follow label directions and take proper precautions, insect repellents containing DEET do not present a health concern. Human exposure is expected to be brief, and long-term exposure is not expected. Based on extensive toxicity testing, the Agency believes that the normal use of DEET does not present a health concern to the general population. EPA completed this review and issued its reregistration decision (called a RED) in 1998"
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http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/factsheets/chem...
aksdjaorh

Wilmington, DE

#14 Oct 25, 2010
how can you tell the difference between post-scabies and still being infected?

i know that post-scabies doesn't itch as much but will the bumps/sores look any different? how can you REALLY tell?

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#15 Oct 26, 2010
I talked to an entomologist over at Michigan State University, I asked him specifically about using permethrin in clothing, he said that it was best to use pyrethrins with Piperonyl Butoxide as the synergist, I believe the PBO adds to the quick kill factor? Pyrethrins only last about 2 weeks in clothing. Or pyrethrins with a water base synergist both are supposedly low in toxicity to us, these are also used for killing cloths moths and bedbugs, because the pyrethrins aren't too far from what I've been using on my body,(permethrin) I'm willing to give it a shot, he recommended that I try some products from 'Do it yourself pest control website'. I looked over some of their products and called the company, I was advised to try the Bedlam spray which can be used in clothing and then bagged for a few days, they also recommended the Nuvan Pro Strips (although the Hot Shot strips may be cheaper, will compare ingredients) the strips can be used for unwashable items such as shoes, belts, woolens etc. and the spray can be used for bedding, clothing unwashable woolens, there is also a product called rentokil moth killer strips that can be purchased on-line, along with a full kit for killing clothes moths and their eggs and another product called Mother Earth permethrin 2% contact kill. It's hard to find things directly related to killing these mites, the Bedlam spray did say that it will kill lice though.

This is a lot I know, I am looking for a solution not so hard to do and not so deadly, I do like the Benzyl Benzoate for the wash though and yes I have been soaking washable clothes for weeks on end too, to no real avail, I have been using a blend of A&H washing powder, the A&H washing soda, A&H baking soda and A&H washing powder, peroxide, I have recently added table salt to the mix, until I can get some of the stuff listed above. When speaking with a gentleman at the pesticide company, he recommended freezing shoes and leather goods too, which I am now trying.

I suggested that perhaps they should do a line of products for this specific pest. perhaps I should call back and suggest that something with BB might be good since this is one of the things that seems to work really well, we need something that is not such a constant chore and not so unnecessarily toxic to us humans.

These mites do seem to live a long time in clothing, not necessarily the hatched mite but the eggs, I was reading somewhere that moth larvae can live off certain fabrics, that are a component of woolens and from dead skin found in clothing, if this is the case with moths, why couldn't it be the case with this? I have sunk shoes with cloth interior and leather uppers in borax for well over a year and have gotten re-infested and this was after I even vacuumed the inside of the shoe before wearing and coats that were bagged in excess of a year and then dry cleaned before wearing, let's not forget that these mites don't all hatch at the same time some take several days to hatch and are laying eggs right away, so the idea that they are not able to live beyond three days doesn't make sense, especially when you put these same clothes on a month later and can feel yourself getting re-infested within an hour of having them on. I've ironed and steamed one article of clothing for over an hour on end, just letting the iron sit on one spot for as long as possible only to have it be for nothing, I've bagged belts for eons only to be wearing a new pair of jeans with an old belt just to get re-infested that way, these things do last longer without a host for way more than three days, I'm hoping that after I try some of the methods above and the turp treatment once it comes in the mail, that I will finally find an end to this never-ending nightmare.
pruritis

Warren, OH

#17 Mar 30, 2013
"wool sheds particles and is eaten by other insects"

http://lancaster.unl.edu/pest/resources/dustm...
jummping off bridge

Los Angeles, CA

#18 Mar 31, 2013
Soaking cloths overnight in the tub with hot water, borax, ammonia, arm &Hammer detergent and a tea spoon of sulfur powder I bought at orchard supply store seems to get mites out of clothing.

Hope someone else will try and confirm their results here. Will be a big help for future sufferers

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