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#1 Mar 2, 2014
Can someone please tell me there experience using the injectable version of ivermectim. From reading the forums it is suppose to be a purer form of ivermectim. How often can you dose it if you want to treat scabies more aggressively? Do you take this with a fatty meal like to oral kind and drink grapefruit juice? Where is a good source to buy this from? Your feedback is most appreciated.
Review

Istanbul, Turkey

#2 Mar 7, 2014
I see you posting on this forum alot. Are you getting help out there? I hope so. It's not that ivomec is more purer than the stromectol. It's that it's more available and there are different ways to use it. I don't think it makes much of a difference if you eat a fatty meal or drink grapefruit juice, personally. So, you took the pills and they helped but didn't cure. It's safe to take double the dose, which can be up to 400 micro/kilo. And the books say to take one dose and then another in two weeks when the mites have matured and that is when the iver is most effective. I know you are desperate, from reading your posts. There was one lady on here who was elderly and she needed much much more iver than most. She was able to get the docs to prescribe numerous doses of iver and it finally worked for her, but she was taking other meds, too, which may have helped her, in addition to the iver. A pharmacist told her that there is a resistant strain of scabies going around and she would have to treat for months. This alarmed me, and I need to let people know here that there's a fine line between overdosing, doing damage to your liver and bringing about a cure. Also, I noticed that you never ask questions about permethrin. Why is that? The combination of both of these meds have cured many people. Also, benzemul is good as a topical, too. It's cheap to buy. janadel mentioned killing any mite on your body where you feel activity with rubbing alcohol. just spray and wipe with a tissue. this will kill the hatchlings. It helps me ALOT.
you can buy the ivomec from any cattle supply.
On curezone they speak of combining ivermectin with albendazole for morgellons patients.
try some hydrogen peroxide on your skin. clean it really good. then use the rubbing alcohol and wipe off. You will catch and kill many hatchlings. only use this when you feel activity. These are mites hatching.
I don't want to say how often to take this med. Since all these mites are at different stages in their life cycle, you have to time it right. Possibly once every 3 days. I think once every day is too toxic and was told by my doctor that every day is not good. The concern is toxicity.

Well, I'm not a doctor, so you are on your own here. These are just a few things I have tried and learned from reading and talking to people who have this disease. Please seek the advice of a qualified derm.

Some of the other things which have helped people on this forum are:
lye baths (do a search for lye).

other meds they tried were albendazole, imidacloprid, home made sulphur cream, pomada de azufre, borax/hydrogen peroxide, epsom salts, eurax (eurax did NOTHING for me); alot of people bought the farm permethrin and cut it with lotion 50/50, to bring it down to 5%.
happy jacks sells permethrin for dogs. it's 17% permethrin. can be diluted down to 5 or 6% with lotion. they also sell a benzyl benzoate spray. These are just some things I learned along the way. Please seek the advice of a professional medical doctor and nothing you read here is to replace the help of a qualified dermatologist.

Reinfestation is a huge problem with resistant scabies. Don't wear the same shoes every day.

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#3 Mar 8, 2014
Hi Review...thanks for your informative reply. I have been to a dermatologist and have a confirmed case of scabies. They didn't find it on me by any of the scrapings or biopsies. I ended up bringing a specimen of the black specs that fell off my skin; had it sent to a lab and it was confirmed as a scabies mite. I have done all the topicals you mentioned including permethrin and BB, also did imidicloprid for 3 weeks. These things help but no cure. Did the iver pills several times as well. It helps a little but not strong enough to irradicate them. That is why I feel I need to be on the pills more consistently. One of the hardest things about my case is the scabies are in my scalp, ears and face. This is much harder to treat and really difficult to get rid of. If you have any further suggestions, I'm open to it. Right now I'm contemplating mixing Ivomec (topical) with some DMSO and applying it to my skin. Honestly, I'm a very scared to do this so I think I may only try this on my scalp first and see how I react. I've had this for over 8 months and feel the mites really are established and deeper in my skin. The problem with the topicals is they are not reaching where they need to and the iver. pills don't reach enough of your skin to kill them all. I wish the pills were ovicidal (slow release) but its in and out of your system within 16 hours. I agree with you that taking iver. everyday is overkill and will probably result in more resistance. Every 3 days sounds like it could be effective since the eggs hatch at different times. I can't get my doctor to write any more scripts so I will most likely go with the injectable ivermectin (Ivomec) brand by merial. I also wonder about Frontline for dogs. It contains fipronil which I understand kills the eggs as well where Advantix did not. How long have you had scabies and what treatment are you currently doing? P.S. I have a few pairs of crocs and switch them out every day.
Desperate4cure

Danbury, CT

#4 Mar 8, 2014
wantmylifeback wrote:
Hi Review...thanks for your informative reply. I have been to a dermatologist and have a confirmed case of scabies. They didn't find it on me by any of the scrapings or biopsies. I ended up bringing a specimen of the black specs that fell off my skin; had it sent to a lab and it was confirmed as a scabies mite. I have done all the topicals you mentioned including permethrin and BB, also did imidicloprid for 3 weeks. These things help but no cure. Did the iver pills several times as well. It helps a little but not strong enough to irradicate them. That is why I feel I need to be on the pills more consistently. One of the hardest things about my case is the scabies are in my scalp, ears and face. This is much harder to treat and really difficult to get rid of. If you have any further suggestions, I'm open to it. Right now I'm contemplating mixing Ivomec (topical) with some DMSO and applying it to my skin. Honestly, I'm a very scared to do this so I think I may only try this on my scalp first and see how I react. I've had this for over 8 months and feel the mites really are established and deeper in my skin. The problem with the topicals is they are not reaching where they need to and the iver. pills don't reach enough of your skin to kill them all. I wish the pills were ovicidal (slow release) but its in and out of your system within 16 hours. I agree with you that taking iver. everyday is overkill and will probably result in more resistance. Every 3 days sounds like it could be effective since the eggs hatch at different times. I can't get my doctor to write any more scripts so I will most likely go with the injectable ivermectin (Ivomec) brand by merial. I also wonder about Frontline for dogs. It contains fipronil which I understand kills the eggs as well where Advantix did not. How long have you had scabies and what treatment are you currently doing? P.S. I have a few pairs of crocs and switch them out every day.
What is DMSO? Yes I agree getting at the eggs is the hardest problem. Nothing seems to kill the eggs or the deeply burrowed females. The crawlers make for an easy kill but this problem won't ever end unless we can get to the females and eggs.
Review

Istanbul, Turkey

#6 Mar 8, 2014
DMSO is a penetrant. So is hydrogen peroxide. These help to get the meds to penetrate into your skin.

Ivomec works best by taking it orally. It doesn't penetrate the skin that well. But don't let that hold you back from experimenting. I used a little more than the oral dose if I were using it topically, just because when you take it orally, your body digests it better than if you were to use it topically.

I found the ivomec and happy jacks permethrin were the best combination for me. While you are at it, order the benzyl benzoate spray that happy jacks sells. It's the same as using benzemul.

frontline/fipronil doesn't work. nothing kills the eggs. but ivomec and perm does a very good job at killing the egg laying female mites.

of course, I cut the happy jacks considerably to get it down to about 6% permethrin. It contains a PBO, which makes it very effective. And the fact that there's a high percentage of permethrin. Has to be cut with lotion.

it's best not to wash so often if you have iver in your system. Your skin needs the natural oils in it for these meds to work. Dry skin is not conducive to effective treatment.

another poster on here tried EVERYTHING. What worked best for him were lye baths. read that thread.

he tried frontline. eprinex. imidacloprid. ivomec. stromectol. tons of permethrin. he had no pets, no family members that had this. only him and it was extremely difficult for him to beat this. iver didn't work for him, but it worked for me, very well.

he used DMSO, sulphur, you name it, he did it and in extreme doses and on a continuous daily basis.

so, if we use all this toxic stuff, how in the hell can DE and borax cure anyone? please tell me how clove oil and anise oil will cure you of this, if we are using the MOST toxic stuff for scabies.

What's going on? Global warming? easy travel from one country to another? immigration? It's NOT chemtrails. It's parasites moving in on humans.

And he caught this in China. So, yeah, resistance is a huge problem. And it's good you are considering this.

Up your immunity. Very important. Read the thread called Poor Man's Protocol. That's a good one.

There's a fine line when someone says they have morgellons. I was on a forum where the guy said he had morgellons. And all along he treated himself for morgellons. He actually had rodent mites. Morgellons is a term thrown around loosely in the blog community. It's sort of like lyme disease. I think that people are using these terms because they don't know exactly what is going on with them.

Up your immunity. Sleep well. Don't stress this. The more you stress, the mites will multiply on you ten fold.

Have your blood checked. Take care of any health issues going on with you, first, before you do your "attack on the little bastards."

Disclaimer: This information is for educational purposes only and is not intended to serve as medical advice. The information provided should not be used for diagnosing or treating a health problem or disease. It is not a substitute for professional care. If you have or suspect you may have a health problem, you should consult your health care provider.

Desperate4cure

Danbury, CT

#7 Mar 8, 2014
Review wrote:
DMSO is a penetrant. So is hydrogen peroxide. These help to get the meds to penetrate into your skin.
Ivomec works best by taking it orally. It doesn't penetrate the skin that well. But don't let that hold you back from experimenting. I used a little more than the oral dose if I were using it topically, just because when you take it orally, your body digests it better than if you were to use it topically.
I found the ivomec and happy jacks permethrin were the best combination for me. While you are at it, order the benzyl benzoate spray that happy jacks sells. It's the same as using benzemul.
frontline/fipronil doesn't work. nothing kills the eggs. but ivomec and perm does a very good job at killing the egg laying female mites.
of course, I cut the happy jacks considerably to get it down to about 6% permethrin. It contains a PBO, which makes it very effective. And the fact that there's a high percentage of permethrin. Has to be cut with lotion.
it's best not to wash so often if you have iver in your system. Your skin needs the natural oils in it for these meds to work. Dry skin is not conducive to effective treatment.
another poster on here tried EVERYTHING. What worked best for him were lye baths. read that thread.
he tried frontline. eprinex. imidacloprid. ivomec. stromectol. tons of permethrin. he had no pets, no family members that had this. only him and it was extremely difficult for him to beat this. iver didn't work for him, but it worked for me, very well.
he used DMSO, sulphur, you name it, he did it and in extreme doses and on a continuous daily basis.
so, if we use all this toxic stuff, how in the hell can DE and borax cure anyone? please tell me how clove oil and anise oil will cure you of this, if we are using the MOST toxic stuff for scabies.
What's going on? Global warming? easy travel from one country to another? immigration? It's NOT chemtrails. It's parasites moving in on humans.
And he caught this in China. So, yeah, resistance is a huge problem. And it's good you are considering this.
Up your immunity. Very important. Read the thread called Poor Man's Protocol. That's a good one.
There's a fine line when someone says they have morgellons. I was on a forum where the guy said he had morgellons. And all along he treated himself for morgellons. He actually had rodent mites. Morgellons is a term thrown around loosely in the blog community. It's sort of like lyme disease. I think that people are using these terms because they don't know exactly what is going on with them.
Up your immunity. Sleep well. Don't stress this. The more you stress, the mites will multiply on you ten fold.
Have your blood checked. Take care of any health issues going on with you, first, before you do your "attack on the little bastards."
Disclaimer: This information is for educational purposes only and is not intended to serve as medical advice. The information provided should not be used for diagnosing or treating a health problem or disease. It is not a substitute for professional care. If you have or suspect you may have a health problem, you should consult your health care provider.
Yes everything you have stated is super on point. I agree with the holistic thing (it will never work). I myself am trying the 24/7 continuos coverage method with rotation of bb, perm with pbo added (the 90 percent stuff not the nix), horse paste, sulfur and alcohol solution for head, and I'm going to try the iver drench off my scalp tx. Everything helps but still working on that good old fashion magic cure. I was using hydrogen peroxide with sulfur so that it would penetrate scalp better but then I read a post that it was super dangerous. I googled it and sure enough it was. So I switched to alcohol. Not sure if alcohol is a penetrant but it helps to coat my scalp other wise the treatment is wasted on my hair. Thanks for the info!!

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#8 Mar 9, 2014
DMSO was tried by dozens on this forum in 2011-12. It cured no one! They mixed it with ivermectin, Permethrin, clove oil, Eprinex, and just about everything else. DMSO can permanently damage your skin. It burns like fire as it penetrates the skin. One woman said she preferred child birth to rubbing on DMSO mixtures. Get it in your eye, you are permanently blinded! Look up all the DMSO posts in the Scabies threads of Topix before you consider going down that road.

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#9 Mar 9, 2014
Hi Review, I have not used peroxide but prep my skin with an alcohol rub before applying the Ivomec. Have you tried Ivomec with DMSO to help it get into the deep layers of the skin? I wish I could hear from more people who tried this protocol to see how they reacted to it and if they were cured. I post things all the time but don't get much of a response. To be honest, I really don't want to go this route but don't know what else I could use to drive the medication deeper into my skin. I'm afraid to poison myself since it hits the blood stream. I also wonder if the DMSO doesn't work could it possibly drive the mites even deeper into your body? I've used the Ivomec pour on every other day this past week but have not been taking internal iver at the same time. Afraid to overload my system and not sure if I should do it simultaneously. I mix it with 4 parts distilled water based on my body weight, 130 lbs. and then spray it on all over my body head to toe. Unfortunately, I stilI feel the mites moving under my skin; lots of activity it feels like nerves shooting off or a drilling sensation and I know its not from the creams. It's a very specific feeling and I get this all over my body at times; its very alarming to me. Do you know if this is a normal reaction to having scabies for months....did you ever experience this? The lye baths are something I'll look into but since I have them in my scalp, face and ears I'm not sure how I would get rid of them; the lye bath would not help me in those areas. Any suggestions for those hard to treat areas would be very much appreciated. I too find it unbelievable that people who actually have scabies are cured by DE, TTO, bleach / borax baths, etc. Their infections must be in the early stages or they never had scabies in the first place and just assumed they did. That's another problem on the forum, many people don't have confirmed cases; they self-diagnose themselves. Then post a cure which may not be applicable to someone like me who actually has scabies. I agree that you need to boost your immunity to help fight this disease and get everything checked out before you go on an all out war on these horrid creatures. I had a broken foot at the time I caught this so my immunity was low. I'll check out poor man's protocol. Your immune system, liver and kidneys take a real beating. It takes all my strength between the treatments and constant cleaning of my home. Some days I'm just overwhelmed by all this. You suggest to use the Happy Jacks which has a high % of permethrin. I used the Advantix II mixed with 1% RID lice shampoo (has PBO in it) and equal amounts of grapeseed oil for 3 weeks. It helped but did not cure me. So, I'm not sure if the Happy Jacks mixed with the Ivomec would do the trick for me but willing to try. Did you mix the two based on body weight w/lotion ... at what proportions and for how long? I'm sorry about all the questions, I know this is all trial and error but it helps immensely to talk with someone who knows the drill and can give some direction. I think one of the most frustrating things about having this is that you feel so alone. I want you to know that I really appreciate your suggestions and trying to help me out. It's good karma to help others in need...I'm a big believer in that.

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#10 Mar 9, 2014
ashleyshere wrote:
DMSO was tried by dozens on this forum in 2011-12. It cured no one! They mixed it with ivermectin, Permethrin, clove oil, Eprinex, and just about everything else. DMSO can permanently damage your skin. It burns like fire as it penetrates the skin. One woman said she preferred child birth to rubbing on DMSO mixtures. Get it in your eye, you are permanently blinded! Look up all the DMSO posts in the Scabies threads of Topix before you consider going down that road.
What about permethrin, PBO mixed with hydrogen peroxide as penetrant??? I had the best kill on my scalp last night with it. I must have killed a hundred of them. The relief of pressure was amazing. My head hurts a little now though. I think it's time to wash the perm off.

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#11 Mar 10, 2014
Desperate4cure wrote:
<quoted text>What about permethrin, PBO mixed with hydrogen peroxide as penetrant??? I had the best kill on my scalp last night with it. I must have killed a hundred of them. The relief of pressure was amazing. My head hurts a little now though. I think it's time to wash the perm off.
They mixed it with Permethrin and were not cured. I think the theory is insane!

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#12 Mar 10, 2014
ashleyshere wrote:
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They mixed it with Permethrin and were not cured. I think the theory is insane!
Ashley...please stay off this thread your spoiling it. This is the last time I am going to respond to you. I notice your on so many forum threads; you really do have a problem.

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#13 Mar 10, 2014
Desperate4cure wrote:
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What about permethrin, PBO mixed with hydrogen peroxide as penetrant??? I had the best kill on my scalp last night with it. I must have killed a hundred of them. The relief of pressure was amazing. My head hurts a little now though. I think it's time to wash the perm off.
Thanks for your advice. I never tried it mixed with the Hydrogen peroxide. What parts do you use to mix it? Permethrin doesn't work for me; maybe I can do it with the benzyl benzoate.

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#14 Mar 10, 2014
wantmylifeback wrote:
<quoted text>Ashley...please stay off this thread your spoiling it. This is the last time I am going to respond to you. I notice your on so many forum threads; you really do have a problem.
Telling you the truth is a problem? Suggesting that you google "DMSO TOPIX" is a problem?

No, the problem is that I know much more that you about what works and what doesn't concerning Scabies. You want to be right when you're not.

This is a forum and I am not breaking any rules. I can post here like anyone else. Suck it up.
Cadillac

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#16 Mar 10, 2014
Don't use the pour on. It doesn't work as well as the injectible. I don't think it makes much of a difference if you take vitamins. Vitamins are a good thing. You can use the injectible on your active areas, too. Take it orally.
Cadillac

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#17 Mar 10, 2014
Put some rubbing alcohol in a spray bottle and use that on your scalp.

Happy Jacks Permethrin is to be used as a topical. You cut it with lotion to bring the percentage down to 6% or 5%. You don't need to use DMSO or any penetrant with permethrin.

Don't mix permethrin with iver. These are two seperate meds to be used seperately.

Remember, you only need to clean the areas you frequent. Buy some cheap covers and rotate them so you don' thave to wash the same ones every night. Just set them aside and let the mites die out in them.
Cadillac

Germany

#18 Mar 10, 2014
ashleyshere wrote:
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Telling you the truth is a problem? Suggesting that you google "DMSO TOPIX" is a problem?
No, the problem is that I know much more that you about what works and what doesn't concerning Scabies. You want to be right when you're not.
This is a forum and I am not breaking any rules. I can post here like anyone else. Suck it up.
Go eff yourself. We don't care if you know more than Wikipedia. We honestly don't care about all the threads you create on this forum. We all know what's going on in that little head of yours..

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#19 Mar 10, 2014
Cadillac wrote:
<quoted text>Go eff yourself. We don't care if you know more than Wikipedia. We honestly don't care about all the threads you create on this forum. We all know what's going on in that little head of yours..
What do you think is going on in my head?

I come here to correct people who are either about to hurt themselves or waste more time and money thus allowing the parasites to multiply even more. When I started here I followed all the advice givers and was much worse off because of it. No one should give advice unless they were cured by what they did or used. We are flesh and blood, and many of these theories sound logical but they can be dangerous. I don't care if you are upset that I am pissing on some people's parade when they are misleading people. So before you insist you have a cure or know what you are talking about why not read all the older Scabies Topix threads that outline what smarter people than you did and why they failed. Because you are recycling failure. Then you get pissed when someone says "That's been tried before and it failed to help or cure." Don't like a woman telling you that? Tough! Grow a pair. Do your research first before you risk hurting others.

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#20 Mar 11, 2014
Cadillac wrote:
Put some rubbing alcohol in a spray bottle and use that on your scalp.
Happy Jacks Permethrin is to be used as a topical. You cut it with lotion to bring the percentage down to 6% or 5%. You don't need to use DMSO or any penetrant with permethrin.
Don't mix permethrin with iver. These are two seperate meds to be used seperately.
Remember, you only need to clean the areas you frequent. Buy some cheap covers and rotate them so you don' thave to wash the same ones every night. Just set them aside and let the mites die out in them.
Thanks for your advice. I'll try the alcohol on my scalp. Is there any particular type of lotion you can recommend to use with Happy Jacks or would an oil like grapeseed or coconut be better?

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#22 Mar 12, 2014
Cadillac wrote:
Don't use the pour on. It doesn't work as well as the injectible. I don't think it makes much of a difference if you take vitamins. Vitamins are a good thing. You can use the injectible on your active areas, too. Take it orally.
The pour on is ivermectin...right; so my thought is why not put it directly on the skin as a topical. By taking the injectable orally aren't you essentially doing the same thing; trying to get it to the skin BUT it doesn't always succeed in going everywhere. I'm very confused about this whole process with the iver. If you can in any way clarify things, I would very much appreciate it. I mentioned vitamins, milk thistle, etc., because I'm not sure if it would interfere with the iver. if taken internally. There would be no use in taking supplements if it hindered the drug in any way. Also, have an inner ear infection from the damn mites. I'm on antibiotic drops but they don't seem to be helping all that much. Last night felt popping in my ears. Never had an ear infection in my life.
over it

Grand Rapids, MI

#23 Mar 13, 2014
I have tried everything and have been dealing with it for a year. The IVOMEC ($40) is cheaper than the stromectol ($90 with insurance). Injecting it is painful and burns a lot. I injected it subcutaneously and intradermal directly into the burrows. I have found that taking it orally on an empty stomach works just as good and is not as painful. I think they are developing a resistance to this too. The feed store is the best place to go. The benzo benzate spray for dog mange helped. Topical 10% Sulphur ordered online helps too. Sulphur hot spring is my next attempt. I will almost get rid of them then BAM there back. This is the worst thing I have ever dealt with its ruining my life. I am exhausted. Apple Cider Vinegar and Hydrogen peroxide help; but I had to cut the ritual back a little so it didn't take up all my free time. The doctors and dermatologists were useless. The biopsy and skin scraping were negative; yet I feel the pin pricks and crawling. I seem to be very susceptible to scabies as I have had it four times in my 40 year life. I am a nurse and have gotten it treating patients whom I never had direct contact with unless wearing a gown and gloves. I believe they live longer than what is documented and that they are capable of transmission without direct skin to skin contact. Good luck everyone; I would not wish this on my worst enemy.

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