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scabies for 3 years now

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Dec 27, 2006
 
how do i treat them????over the counter med???home remedy???vet????and what to use,or what type of treatment(medications),shot,wh atever--- do they need from a vet???THANKYOU IN ADVANCE for any replies/advice:]
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Dec 27, 2006
 
scabies for 3 years now wrote:
how do i treat them????over the counter med???home remedy???vet????and what to use,or what type of treatment(medications),shot,wh atever--- do they need from a vet???THANKYOU IN ADVANCE for any replies/advice:]
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Best-Veterinary supervised treatment. injections of Ivermectin or oral Ivermectin. Vet may give owner oral ivermectin to treat cat at home. Usually injections are given at vets office. Vet may recommend a shampoo. Injections run $25-$35 depending on vet. Your cats will need 2 to 3 treatments, maybe more in persistant scabies or reinfection.
Reinfection is likely in multi cat households when cats are not individually isolated.

Next best-Skilled, knowledgeable owner gives injections of Ivermectin to cats.

Would not recommend owner using farm grade Ivermectin paste on cats. Too difficult to get correct dose plus this is an oral med that tastes bitter.

Warning: Do not use permethrin 10% with petroleum distillates.
(Martin's Control Solutions Permethrin 10% does not have petroleum distillates.)
Warning: Permetrin 10% is NOT OK for use as a dip or spray on cats. TOXIC on CATS.

ok to spray bedding or surface areas but cats must not be present while spraying. Wait until area is dry before allowing cats back into area that was sprayed.

In addition to treatments:
*Isolate cats from each other and yourself if possible
*Change litter boxes frequently/bleach box and rinse
*Wash bedding daily in hot water/little bleach
*Baths (good luck) Home remedy: add a little borax to shampoo. Rinse cat very well.
*Antibiotics if secondary bacterial infections occur
*Dietary suppliments such as flax seed oil for skin and coat.
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Dec 27, 2006
 
"Would not recommend owner using farm grade Ivermectin paste on cats. Too difficult to get correct dose plus this is an oral med that tastes bitter"

Sorry, I was not clear, this is what is ment to write:

Would not recommend giving farm grade oral Ivermectin paste to cats.
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Dec 27, 2006
 
at least 2 or 3 Ivermectin treatments 10-14 days apart.
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Dec 27, 2006
 
gee whiz i have six cats, this is gonna put a dent in my pocket, but its got to be done,,,yes i have read not to give ivermectin to cats so whys it o.k. for vet to give shots/or orally???dont understand...will definately not try and give them ivermectin myself nor will i let any permethrin touch them,thanx...i bought some water based 10 percent for myself(after reading here not to get petroleum based)FARNAM is the brand- as is the horse paste-a lot of people frowned on that idea but i read somewhere a few have taken it so i am gonna go ahead with it myself...
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Dec 27, 2006
 
scabies for 3 years now wrote:
gee whiz i have six cats, this is gonna put a dent in my pocket, but its got to be done,,,yes i have read not to give ivermectin to cats so whys it o.k. for vet to give shots/or orally???dont understand...will definately not try and give them ivermectin myself nor will i let any permethrin touch them,thanx...i bought some water based 10 percent for myself(after reading here not to get petroleum based)FARNAM is the brand- as is the horse paste-a lot of people frowned on that idea but i read somewhere a few have taken it so i am gonna go ahead with it myself...
Six cats, I used to have 7 myself. Oh, loved em all but Tooo many! Anyway, back to business.

Ivermectin is safe for cats.The vet's usually give an injection but they also have the pills. It's just more accurate and simple to use injectable or an oral pill.

It's the Ivermectin paste that is formulated for horses that isn't recommended for cats. Two reasons for this. Dose is so very small and because of the bitter taste. The cat will probably spit it out leaving you with an untreated cat.

Do you know how to give SQ injections?

Can you seperate your cats in any way? Do you have crates or kennels? Do not worry if you can't, if they are being treated and your washing their bedding daily you should be ok. I'd keep them off your bed and furniture though.

Just so I'm clear on your situation.

What treatments have you tried over the 3 years? What exactly are your symptoms?

Have you ever been dianosed with human scabies?

Do you know the origional source of your infestation?

Do any of your cats show any signs of mites? Severe shedding, hair loss in patches, bumps, crusting, swollen glands, weight loss.

As for human treatments using vet or farm grade treatments. I treat myself with the Ivercare horse paste. At 6 days apart I had side effects, 10 days seems ok. I've used it at least 4 times.

I also spray and wipe myself myself down with the Martin's permethrin 10%. I squeeze out enought to cover my whole body into a spray bottle then add water. I use about 1/4 to 1/2 ounce of the Permethrin and about the same water. I'm 125 lbs. Be sure to get your neck, ears and scalpline. If you have scabies on your head, do your scalp too. Keep away from eyes.
Disclaimer-this is only my own personal opinion and experience.
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Dec 27, 2006
 
scabies for 3 years now wrote:
gee whiz i have six cats, this is gonna put a dent in my pocket, but its got to be done,,,yes i have read not to give ivermectin to cats so whys it o.k. for vet to give shots/or orally???dont understand...will definately not try and give them ivermectin myself nor will i let any permethrin touch them,thanx...i bought some water based 10 percent for myself(after reading here not to get petroleum based)FARNAM is the brand- as is the horse paste-a lot of people frowned on that idea but i read somewhere a few have taken it so i am gonna go ahead with it myself...
I just read your post on Scabies is Highly contagious. You took in homeless cats that were treated for mange,vet said they were not contagious to humans. At about the same time the homeless person who you also helped may have been infested with human scabies.

Could you find out from you vet what type of mange was treated? If you are dealing with human scabies, the cats may not show extreme symptoms and indeed they may be a sort of fomite. Usually though once a mite ends up on a host they do their thing for awhile anyway.
Any itching, biting or scratching going on with the cats?
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Dec 27, 2006
 
Been There wrote:
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I just read your post on Scabies is Highly contagious. You took in homeless cats that were treated for mange,vet said they were not contagious to humans. At about the same time the homeless person who you also helped may have been infested with human scabies.
Could you find out from you vet what type of mange was treated? If you are dealing with human scabies, the cats may not show extreme symptoms and indeed they may be a sort of fomite. Usually though once a mite ends up on a host they do their thing for awhile anyway.
Any itching, biting or scratching going on with the cats?
I've just read you have used at least 10 tubes of permetrin 5%. plus some lindane. What are your symptoms now?
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Dec 27, 2006
 
in 1993 i contracted scabies on a crosscountry trip i went on who knows where i picked the suckers up but about two weeks after trips end i was severely itching and didnt know what was going on,,,went to a dermatologist and had a skin scrape taken from between my fingers he looked under microscope and said SCABIES- first i ever heard of them,,,was given lindane did 2 treatments(week between each)and that was that(weird i felt i knew when they died my entire body got this weird buzz feeling hard to explain)anyway i then again contracted them several years later a homeless man slapped me on the back with his hand (patting me)i was wearing a sundress w/ back(skin)was exposed -i lived in area w/high homeless street kid population and gave a lot of clothes/ food/ money etc,,,,HOURS later i was itching in same spot and immediately knew- SCABIES,,,well same thing did treatment and no looking back,,,but this third time which has plagued me i swear since 2003 i cannot successfully get rid of no matter what i do,,,now for a short time i spent days and hours at the beach in the salt water and i believed i was cured but for whatever reason i got them again,,,no doctor since moving to corpus from austin was willing to prescribe lindane(NOW I KNOW WHY-scared i ever used it))only permethrin but as soon as a week was up they were back,,,i am not sexually active -havent been- but i have since given them to a friend -and my mother- my dad remains immune for whatever reason-- i read they dont like men as much- oh well ,,,now i believe the problem is i am not washing my clothes in hot enough water even though i dry fully AND i have never treated my cats except for the one i took in that had the mange(dont know what kind,she was dipped in sulfur i believe,several times and given shots)) ,,,my cats dont have any itching- they never itch- and no patches of fur missing either,,,i am pretty sure that the gal i let sleep on my sofa- a homeless drug addict- was the source of my current scabies that never goes away because i am not treating the cats as well as myself,,,i am afraid to touch anyone or anything ever again- i bought rubber gloves today i think i will just wear them the rest of my life--- oh and the first two times i didnt have cats either i just got them all in the past three years too since moving here to corpus,,,THANX:]
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Dec 27, 2006
 
Since you got scabies in 93, it make sense that you had a faster histamine reaction the second time. The third infestation source is still unknown. If you can remember how close your bodyís reaction was to either the cat or the girl, you may have a clue to where you got the scabies the 3rd time.

If you have human scabies, itís possible the cats may be hosting or playing fomite to a few mites temporarily. Once you are cured the cats should be ok too. Literature states that Scabies are known to be species specific and do not fare well on the wrong host. I donít think this can be a blanket statement. I have Sarcoptic Mange from my pets yet I suffer from all the same symptoms they do. But you should not worry about this if your cats are symptom free.

Normally I would think treat the cats but since they have no symptoms, you may want to hold off and see if the Ivermectin works for you. Keeping your cats beds washed, even bathing your cats wouldnít hurt. Spraying the cats bedding is ok according to my vet. Label has clear instructions for dilution strength for surface spray. You know to wait until the spray is dry before exposing the cats to the area sprayed.

This is off the subject of Cats.

You already found this out by experience. I read a study regarding bathing in the sea and scabies. A culture of people who live on the sea and are known for cleanliness do have outbreaks of scabies. The point is you need to use treatments that are proven to kill mites.

Ivermectin, Permethrin and cleaning regimes are the heavy hitters. Adding your choice of home potions to your bath, skin or diet may help. Using lotions or essential oils on the skin to sooth or to possibly repel or knock off a few mites sounds good to me.

You asked about wash water. Slomo has some helpful info on washing cloths.
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Dec 28, 2006
 
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Would not recommend owner using farm grade Ivermectin paste on cats. Too difficult to get correct dose plus this is an oral med that tastes bitter.
If you smear it on the cat's nose, it will lick it right off. Easy as cake.

Cats are dosed at the same rate as humans. You have a significant safety margin, so exact dosing is not critical.

A whole lot cheaper than the shots. Works great for earmites too.

If you look at the color coded dosing scheme for Revolution (Selamectin as I recall), it gives the same amount of med of a range of body weights.
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Dec 28, 2006
 
scabies for 3 years now wrote:
oh and the first two times i didnt have cats either
What I meant , cats get 0.2 mg Ivermectin per body kilogramm.
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Dec 28, 2006
 
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If you smear it on the cat's nose, it will lick it right off. Easy as cake.
Cats are dosed at the same rate as humans. You have a significant safety margin, so exact dosing is not critical.
A whole lot cheaper than the shots. Works great for earmites too.
If you look at the color coded dosing scheme for Revolution (Selamectin as I recall), it gives the same amount of med of a range of body weights.
The volume of the dose would be so small, maybe the cat wouldn't notice the taste. Some cats get the taste of liquid med and start foaming at the mouth, spitting out the med. Depends on the cat. Have you tried the paste on the cat's nose trick?
Another idea would be to mix with liquid and squirt the med into the back of the mouth. Since it's supposed to be taken with water anyway.
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Dec 28, 2006
 
hi been there and slomo ,,,well thats what my vet had originally said before- what u stated in your next to the last post, been there,,,i was thinking about squirting just a miniscule amount on thier food but the nose trick sounds good, slomo (i always do that w/whipped cream and they lick it right off, maybe will do same w/med)anyway i heard that IVERMECTIN is toxic to cats???and that heartgard is the same stuff and its made for dogs NOT cats,,,so whats the deal???i am getting revolution today at vets and in the meantime i slept alone last night ,cats were just a crying,hooping and hollering for me and scratching at the door,lol,poor things,lol,,,anyway i have my rubber gloves on and will have VERY limited contact with them for awhile and will see,,,what is this DIRT(?)stuff(but not pool kind?)i am reading about here???anyone know?and where can u get it?brand names and such???thanx again for all the help and support:]
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Dec 28, 2006
 
scabies for 3 years now wrote:
the nose trick sounds good, slomo ...(i heard that IVERMECTIN is toxic to cats???a....what is this DIRT(?)stuff(but not pool kind?)
I have done the nose trick to my cat several times.

Just get a half of notch (the serrations on the side of the plunger, that would give you enough for about 30 lbs) amount on a plate, then you can sub-divide that further as needed. Just pick up the resulting amount with your finger and smear it on the cat's nose. Licks it right off, it is part of the grooming instinct (can not help it).

Some breeds of dogs are sensitive to Ivermectin. I am not aware of cats. My cat did fine, I give it to him for earmites. Overdosed him about double too.

The pool stuff you are talking about is Diatomaceous earth. It is a powder made up of the sharp, pointy remains of some tiny pre-historic critters (diatoms)
You may be able to get it at some internet place that caters to survivalists. If you want it and can not find it, I will post a link. Also, a feed store may carry it.

The theory: it punctures the membranes of insects where the movable parts of the insect are joined to its body. The insect then dries out.

It is safe for humans and animals. It is used in grain storage to control pest infestations, so you have it in the bread you eat. Oh.. try not to inhale the dust. As any fine dust, it can cause damage/scarring to your lung tissue.

Logically, it may work to control the environment ( maybe you could dust your sheets with it, or something).

The problem, the mites are protected most of the time, as they dug in in your skin. This is why they are so hard to get rid of, and the powder would not do anything then.

Also, I have not read any resounding success stories with this stuff.

For environment and laundry, I am a fan of BB ( Benzyl Benzoate, look in the laundry thread for a source, posted by Mary). This, at least is a "known quantity". Quite toxic to mites, and quite safe for humans. I used to use lysol to spay down mattresses, furniture, car interior, computer keyboards etc. but now use a mix of 9 part rubbing alcohol (the 90%+ kind) 1 part bb and 0.5 part tea tree oil, in a spray bottle. Dries pretty quick and leaves a residue that is toxic to mites.
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Dec 28, 2006
 
scabies for 3 years now wrote:
i was thinking about squirting just a miniscule amount on thier food but
You should try to give it to the cat on an empty stomach, same as with humans.(1st thing in the morning before feeding).

Try to wait an hour before feeding the cat afterwards.
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Dec 28, 2006
 
Ivermectin is safe for cats and is the treatment of choice for sarcoptic mange in cats and dogs. I'd guess the vet treated your rescue mange cat with Ivermectin.

If I wasn't giving my cats injections, I'd give them the horse paste. I'd have to get creative with my "too smart for his own good" cat.

Since Ivermecin oral is suppose to be taken on an empty stomach, try the nose trick or squirt into back of throat or mouth. If you have to add it to a little food, use a high protein wet food, one with less fat or oil.

Revolution is Selamectin(another cousin of Ivermectin) and will probably treat and control sarcoptic mange on cats, although it does not claim to. 6 cats on Revolution can get expensive.

I wouldn't hurt to treat the cats with Ivermectin or Revolution, even though they don't show symptoms. Plus you may be knocking off some other parasites the cat may have.

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Dec 28, 2006
 
i "free feed" all of my cats so this will be a task taking away the feeding bowls to empty thier little stomachs,,,o.k. i will try it ,if it wont harm them ,and seems from yalls experience,no,,,well i wil scratch that DIRT stuff then,thought i would use it on the cats maybe,,,SLOMO___the BB is not available in the u.s.???or can i get it under some brand name at wal mart or somehwhere???
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Dec 28, 2006
 
scabies for 3 years now wrote:
i "free feed" all of my cats so this will be a task taking away the feeding bowls to empty thier little stomachs,,,o.k. i will try it ,if it wont harm them ,and seems from yalls experience,no,,,well i wil scratch that DIRT stuff then,thought i would use it on the cats maybe,,,SLOMO___the BB is not available in the u.s.???or can i get it under some brand name at wal mart or somehwhere???
I wish someone would free feed my cats. I just spent 100 bucks on their food. Just take up the food bowls the night before and treat them all in the AM. Then put the food back down in an hour or so. I know, they act like their starving to death, the little stinkers.

Or use the Revolution if it's in your budget.
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Dec 28, 2006
 
LOL(free feed),,,yeah ,DOH, didnt think of that smart solution,,, hahaha(taking food away at night)

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