Scabies won't go away
scabies in fl

Lakeland, FL

#84 Nov 28, 2006
Mary wrote:
It is a very concentrated solution. Directions are to add about a gallon of water for every half ounce, etc. When you do this, the concentration is 10% permethrin. It comes in a quart container and is extremely concentrated. To be used to spray around animals bedding, etc. It's called Permectrin II, and made by Boehringer Ingelheim, and you can buy it from a farm supply place online. My house now has NO ROACHES, NO ANTS, NO SPIDERS anymore since I started using this. You can use it for sarcoptic mange mites.
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I'm going to have to check that. Because i've bought 2 products that are 10% permethrin, High yield and Martins. and it says right in the instructions to put 1 part per 19 to make .5% solution Thats "point" 5 % not 5%. it also says use at 1 part per 99 to make .1 %.(Raid is about this strength "POINT" 1%)
It also says right on the bottle active ingredient 10% inactive ingredient 90%. You cant add water to something that says that and NOT DO easy math. Now before i finish this i'm going to look your product up and the stat sheet and see if you are right or wrong.
scabies in fl

Lakeland, FL

#85 Nov 28, 2006
Mary wrote:
It is a very concentrated solution. Directions are to add about a gallon of water for every half ounce, etc. When you do this, the concentration is 10% permethrin. It comes in a quart container and is extremely concentrated. To be used to spray around animals bedding, etc. It's called Permectrin II, and made by Boehringer Ingelheim, and you can buy it from a farm supply place online. My house now has NO ROACHES, NO ANTS, NO SPIDERS anymore since I started using this. You can use it for sarcoptic mange mites.
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I looked up your product Mary and it is the same as my High Yield 10 % permethrin.(IT HAS PETROLEUM DISTILLATES) If you mix it like they say 1 qt per 100 gallons to kill mange mites you are using it at .025%.
HORRIBLE ODDS!.
They are talking about making it like raid or worse. PLEASE PEOPLE look at these pesticides on your local store top. They are anywhere from .025 % to .5% NOT 5% like the permethrin cream we put on ourselves to kill these mites.(Elimite, Nix) WE ARE PUTTING POWERFUL AMOUNTS of poison on our skin when we use the mentioned products. BUT THEY DONT HAVE PETROLEUM PRODUCTS! That is the killer in those products just as much as the poison concentration. THATS why i've stated so many times in these posts...DONT USE THEM.(Products with petroleum in them) THERE are versions like the one i used on my skin called MARTINS brand 10% permethrin. NO PETROLEUM PRODUCTS. You buy it at the local feed store as well! Safer to use around the house than Mary's permectrin II, Sorry Mary.
THE ONLY PROBLEM with my version, Martins, is that it doesnt have a PBO in it. All bugs can produce an enzyme that counteracts poisons. HENCE we have the "RESISTANT" scabies mite! Well the PBO in a poison destroys this enzyme in the bug again making the poison work against said bug.
PBO is also0 called a SYNERGIST. Well elimite and nix brand 5% lotion that you put on prescribed from the doctor DOES HAVE A PBO SYNERGIST in it.(Not to be confused with petroleum products) PBO Synergist is also man made from a natural occurring item in nature.
JUST LIKE permethrins are in a class of poisons called pyrethroids man made but derived from the Chrysanthemum plant. POISONS i am an expert about so if you have poison questions please ask. AS You've seen, i am not on here super often but i do come back at least twice a week and catch up. PLEASE look at my other comments in ALL THE THREADS as i have many in each one. I think i was the original person to tell everyone about Farnams ivermectin horse paste at 1.87% solution being the same as stromectol to make it SUPER EASY for everyone to rid them selves of scabies. I only say this because i, like slomo and one other person i cant remember off hand, HAVE DONE MUCH RESEARCH ON THIS! I dont mean to offend anyone here also SO PLEASE DONT TAKE IT THAT WAY. I love Mary's humor too! I had a great conversation with her about my brother. Thanks Mary.
scabies in fl

Lakeland, FL

#86 Nov 28, 2006
scabies in fl wrote:
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I looked up your product Mary and it is the same as my High Yield 10 % permethrin.(IT HAS PETROLEUM DISTILLATES).
To clarify one more time.
Mary, your product will kill at lower %'s because it HAS PETROLEUM PRODUCTS in it. BUT it stinks doesnt it?
Smells that is.
so if you are going to Use Mary's Permectrin II(10%), than by all means dilute the heck out of it. I would say 1 part per 39 or .25 % would be the Strongest you would ever use it. thats "Point" 25 %. But again only outdoors is how i would use anything with petroleum products.
If you want something safe indoors, than use Martins or there are other brands, permethrin 10% WITHOUT PETROLEUM products and guess what WITHOUT THE SMELL AS WELL!!(smells like citrus oil)
Use them at 1 part per 39 or .25% as your WEAKEST version to spray around animals bedding and your bedroom and anywhere else...perfectly safe because NO petroleum products.
Use at stronger strength say 1/2 and 1/2 to make your permethrin 10% a 5% product. Now it will kill mites just like Elimite brand or Nix brand lotion you get at your pharmicist in those lil 60g tubes. Problem is, it isnt AS effective as those 2 products as it does not have the PBO Synergist in it that Elimite brand or Nix brand lotion have in them.
YOU CAN BUY a PBO Synergist off the internet(hard to find) and add it, but the problem is what would be the proportion? BUT I did it so i wouldnt have to keep forking out $40 for each tube of Elimite brand or nix brand lotion. I put the synergist in at 10 % one time and at 15% another. The PBO Synergist says you usually want it at 5 times the poison on the label but of course they didnt know i was going to use it to turn my martins 10% permethrin into 5% Elimite! When i saw the 5 X thing on the label, i just couldnt bring myself to put 25% synergist in my mix which of course would be 5X my 5% permethrin. I was worried about my skin falling off as the synergist is more irrative than the permethrin. But i would say that to kill "resistant" scabies it is possible that Elimite has 5% permethrin and 25% synergist. Again consult me if you want to KNOW POISON.
Mary

United States

#87 Nov 28, 2006
I need a cigarette now.
scabies in fl wrote:
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To clarify one more time.
Mary, your product will kill at lower %'s because it HAS PETROLEUM PRODUCTS in it. BUT it stinks doesnt it?
Smells that is.
so if you are going to Use Mary's Permectrin II(10%), than by all means dilute the heck out of it. I would say 1 part per 39 or .25 % would be the Strongest you would ever use it. thats "Point" 25 %. But again only outdoors is how i would use anything with petroleum products.
If you want something safe indoors, than use Martins or there are other brands, permethrin 10% WITHOUT PETROLEUM products and guess what WITHOUT THE SMELL AS WELL!!(smells like citrus oil)
Use them at 1 part per 39 or .25% as your WEAKEST version to spray around animals bedding and your bedroom and anywhere else...perfectly safe because NO petroleum products.
Use at stronger strength say 1/2 and 1/2 to make your permethrin 10% a 5% product. Now it will kill mites just like Elimite brand or Nix brand lotion you get at your pharmicist in those lil 60g tubes. Problem is, it isnt AS effective as those 2 products as it does not have the PBO Synergist in it that Elimite brand or Nix brand lotion have in them.
YOU CAN BUY a PBO Synergist off the internet(hard to find) and add it, but the problem is what would be the proportion? BUT I did it so i wouldnt have to keep forking out $40 for each tube of Elimite brand or nix brand lotion. I put the synergist in at 10 % one time and at 15% another. The PBO Synergist says you usually want it at 5 times the poison on the label but of course they didnt know i was going to use it to turn my martins 10% permethrin into 5% Elimite! When i saw the 5 X thing on the label, i just couldnt bring myself to put 25% synergist in my mix which of course would be 5X my 5% permethrin. I was worried about my skin falling off as the synergist is more irrative than the permethrin. But i would say that to kill "resistant" scabies it is possible that Elimite has 5% permethrin and 25% synergist. Again consult me if you want to KNOW POISON.
fl scabies Number 3

Lakeland, FL

#88 Nov 28, 2006
Mary wrote:
I need a cigarette now.
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Just dont smoke it near that permectrinII (lol)
Slomo

Fall River, MA

#89 Nov 28, 2006
fl scabies Number 3 wrote:
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Just dont smoke it near that permectrinII (lol)
All that petroleum. May catch on fire on something.
Been there

San Diego, CA

#90 Nov 28, 2006
scabies in fl wrote:
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I'm going to have to check that. Because i've bought 2 products that are 10% permethrin, High yield and Martins. and it says right in the instructions to put 1 part per 19 to make .5% solution Thats "point" 5 % not 5%. it also says use at 1 part per 99 to make .1 %.(Raid is about this strength "POINT" 1%)
It also says right on the bottle active ingredient 10% inactive ingredient 90%. You cant add water to something that says that and NOT DO easy math. Now before i finish this i'm going to look your product up and the stat sheet and see if you are right or wrong.
Fl.
I'm going to use Martins and want it to be effective as an area spray. Is it safe to spray around cats?
Also,
why would the product claim to kill mange mites at the solutions stated on the instructions if they didn't work?
This is what the insert directions state:
Martin's Permethrin 10%.
8 oz in 12.5 gal water for dip, spongeing or spraying dogs.
8 oz in 6.25 gal for surface spray.
jefferslivestock.com
http://www.jefferslivestock.com/ssc/product.a ...
Thanks.
scabies in fl

Lakeland, FL

#91 Nov 29, 2006
Been there wrote:
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Fl.
I'm going to use Martins and want it to be effective as an area spray. Is it safe to spray around cats?
Also,
why would the product claim to kill mange mites at the solutions stated on the instructions if they didn't work?
This is what the insert directions state:
Martin's Permethrin 10%.
8 oz in 12.5 gal water for dip, spongeing or spraying dogs.
8 oz in 6.25 gal for surface spray.
jefferslivestock.com
http://www.jefferslivestock.com/ssc/product.a ...
Thanks.
Question 1
Cats always have more chance of getting poisoned because of their size, because they clean themselves thereby INGESTING the poison, and because they often lack key enzymes for metabolizing or detoxifying the poison.
Martins toxicity code is a 3 meaning it has the safest code there is. 1 being the most dangerous, 2 being safer, 3 being the safest. I found a cat flea powder at 1% permethrin strength and a tick collar for cats at 8% strength. So yes i would say although no poison is good for animals or humans, Martins should be safe for your cat.

Question 2:
Here are the percentages for these solutions:
8 oz in 12.5 gal water for dip, spongeing or spraying dogs.=.05% solution
8 oz in 6.25 gal for surface spray.=.1% solution.

I want to apologize for not being sensitive about the pets while writing these posts as i dont have one. BY ALL MEANS USE the strengths quoted on the label when using around pets, their bedding area, etc.
An animals system of absorbing poisons and distributing them to the bug are different than ours.
Again, an animals weight is a factor as well.
Also because animals lick themselves they INGEST the poison whereas i am only absorbing it through my skin...there's a big difference.
When i said i used Martin's at stronger levels, it was for my body, my "bedding" area (lol), car, cell phone (lol) etc. ONLY.

BUT if you find Martin's NOT working at the strength they quote on the label for your pets than there are dips out on the market stronger than the .05% Martin's uses and i believe you could try making your solution a little stronger rather than buying those other products.
One example is Zema Dip for dogs and cats which when used by the instructions is a .1% solution. IT HAS A PBO in it as well though giving it a toxicity code of 2! So stick with Martin's.
Mary

Pompano Beach, FL

#92 Nov 29, 2006
It's just not that funny anymore, Slomo. I am depressed today. Every evening the pain starts all over again. As soon as the sun starts to go down.:-(
Slomo wrote:
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All that petroleum. May catch on fire on something.
Been there

United States

#93 Nov 29, 2006
Thank you so much for you info and research. Very helpfull. Won't be using the Martins on the pets, just spraying around their areas.
scabies in fl wrote:
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Question 1
Cats always have more chance of getting poisoned because of their size, because they clean themselves thereby INGESTING the poison, and because they often lack key enzymes for metabolizing or detoxifying the poison.
Martins toxicity code is a 3 meaning it has the safest code there is. 1 being the most dangerous, 2 being safer, 3 being the safest. I found a cat flea powder at 1% permethrin strength and a tick collar for cats at 8% strength. So yes i would say although no poison is good for animals or humans, Martins should be safe for your cat.
Question 2:
Here are the percentages for these solutions:
8 oz in 12.5 gal water for dip, spongeing or spraying dogs.=.05% solution
8 oz in 6.25 gal for surface spray.=.1% solution.
I want to apologize for not being sensitive about the pets while writing these posts as i dont have one. BY ALL MEANS USE the strengths quoted on the label when using around pets, their bedding area, etc.
An animals system of absorbing poisons and distributing them to the bug are different than ours.
Again, an animals weight is a factor as well.
Also because animals lick themselves they INGEST the poison whereas i am only absorbing it through my skin...there's a big difference.
When i said i used Martin's at stronger levels, it was for my body, my "bedding" area (lol), car, cell phone (lol) etc. ONLY.
BUT if you find Martin's NOT working at the strength they quote on the label for your pets than there are dips out on the market stronger than the .05% Martin's uses and i believe you could try making your solution a little stronger rather than buying those other products.
One example is Zema Dip for dogs and cats which when used by the instructions is a .1% solution. IT HAS A PBO in it as well though giving it a toxicity code of 2! So stick with Martin's.
Mary

Pompano Beach, FL

#94 Nov 29, 2006
Scabies In Georgia

Clarkesville, GA

#95 Nov 30, 2006
I need info. on post-nodular scabies:
What is the longest amount of time you can have it after successful treatment?
Does the amount of time you suffered with active scabies effect the amount of time of post-nodular?
With post-nodular - do you experience continued rashy looking places and red bumps varying from: raised up to under the skin, and also some places that are flat and it looks like a small red dot?
These are my symptoms, but I don't feel pin-prick bites and I think the only reason I occasionally itch {I rarely itch and it's never worse at night then at day when I do.}is because of everything my skin has been through plus it being winter time {dry skin}. I appreciate help from anyone and everyone. Thank you so much and the best of luck to everyone!
Slomo

Fall River, MA

#96 Nov 30, 2006
Scabies In Georgia wrote:
I need info. on post-nodular scabies:
What is the longest amount of time you can have it after successful treatment?
Does the amount of time you suffered with active scabies effect the amount of time of post-nodular?
With post-nodular - do you experience continued rashy looking places and red bumps varying from: raised up to under the skin, and also some places that are flat and it looks like a small red dot?
These are my symptoms, but I don't feel pin-prick bites and I think the only reason I occasionally itch {I rarely itch and it's never worse at night then at day when I do.}is because of everything my skin has been through plus it being winter time {dry skin}. I appreciate help from anyone and everyone. Thank you so much and the best of luck to everyone!
Small red dots, no raised bump, and maybe just quarter to half mm, sort of looks like a flea bite?
I would not worry about it.

A hard node, where a burrow used to be, maybe 5-10 mm , well defined, say under the armpits..not ithcy, but maybe sensitive to touch (pressure) I had one of those, took another dose of ivermectin just to see if it would react, and it got better.
Scabies In Georgia

Clarkesville, GA

#97 Dec 1, 2006
Thanks Slomo! You've been so helpful since I've discovered this site. One quick question: Do you know if post-nodular can last longer than 2-3 months and if the amount of time you have scabies effects the amount of time of post-nodular?
I appreciate any info. you have.
Thanks once again and good luck to you and everyone else suffering.
Slomo

Fall River, MA

#98 Dec 1, 2006
Mary wrote:
It's just not that funny anymore, Slomo. I am depressed today. Every evening the pain starts all over again. As soon as the sun starts to go down.:-(
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Sometimes I poke fun at things when there is noting else left to do. I did not mean to make light of your suffering.

Something occurred to me:
You are complaining about pain. Pain is typically not a scabies symptom, unless you have secondary infections because of broken skin.(Bacterial or fungal)

If you do, are you treating that? It is important to pay attention, because you can get pretty sick from it.
E.g. you can get pneumonia. I am glad to hear you are trying out a separation period from your animals. I do hope it works, I expect it will.

For a secondary infection, you do need prescription atrength meds, and the treatment is usually non-controlversial. Unlike with scabies, skin doctors are well versed at diagnosing and treatment.
Been there

United States

#99 Dec 1, 2006
Mary wrote:
Thanks, Hartz products are brand X. The permetrin health risk to cats is important to consider. I'm using deluted bleach to spray their kennel, then I hose it off with plain water. I change their bedding daily.
Slomo

Fall River, MA

#100 Dec 1, 2006
Scabies In Georgia wrote:
One quick question: Do you know if post-nodular can last longer than 2-3 months and if the amount of time you have scabies effects the amount of time of post-nodular?
I am not sure. I am not sure what post-scabies is.
Peronally, I never palpable nodes, past 3 weeks of clearing up of my other symptoms.

I do think it may have to do with how long/bad you had it, because the amount of irritants present has to e proportional with the length the node had mites.

The allergic reaction may cause some structural changes
in the skin also. In a really bad case, as in crusted scabies, there are substantial structural changes in the skin structure, but even that clears up w/o a trace with treatment.

Pay attention to the trend. Do these sites improve or do they get worse? If it is the latter, you may still have mites.

I have read about people having a lot of trouble with nodes, and needing cortisone injections to clear them up. No personal experience, just reading.
I have also read about nodes flaring up for years after successful treatment. Again, not personal experience, just posts on the net.

If the nodes fail to improve, you may want to do another round of Ivermectin. If that brings rapid improvement, you may still have mites.
Scabies in Vegas

Las Vegas, NV

#101 Dec 2, 2006
My family has been battling Scabies for 3 months now. My 8 year old son brought it home this summer after visiting his dad in Los Angeles. After reaching out to my mom who got in touch with a family doctor in Mexico I was able to get a prescription for Ivexterm (Ivermectin). My sisters drove down to Tijuana to get our meds and we were all able to take it except the baby (10 months). Because I feared that he would give it back to us, after a week I finally decided to give him a 1/4 of the tablet. He still has a dry rash that looks like Ecesma on his hand. I've been putting 1/2% Hydrocortisone cream on it but I was wondering if this could still be active. That prickly feeling you get after with no bumps feels like a set up for more to come. Is it??? I did get a prescription for other medications as well and I am sure there are risks but I just can't live like this anymore. It amazes me how other countries are on the ball with Ivermectin but this country would rather see us all suffer (physically and emotionally) and contaminate others. Thanks to all of you for your support and if any of you need the names of the meds just ask.
casey

AOL

#102 Dec 2, 2006
shady, i have a website that cures scabies successfully with natural products and i'm not even going to give it to you right now...that is not the point of this post...i want you to know that since you are doing the permethrin creams...the reason they keep coming back is because you are being REinfested...go to walmart and get a few things. first go to the bedding dept...get a mattress cover made of plastic (they sell them lots of places for people that wet the bed if you can't find it there) make a "barrier" between you and the suckers that are in your mattress!!! then go to the laundry dept and get Borax...100 Mull Team Borax..follow the directions on the box for EVERY washload....dry everything on HIGH heat for at least 20-30 minutes. wash everything and anything that you touch! never use the same towel or clothing/coat/jacket twice without washing or at least drying for 20-30 minutes on HIGH heat (130-140 degrees kills mites). also cover all your furniture with plastic (found in the painting section - painter's drop cloths. the whole idea is to keep the mites that are already in your environment from ATTACKING you! put a barrier! also keep a positive thought process! don't get discouraged or depressed...that is the worst thing because then you don't think clearly.
my site is down temporarily...my webmaster is upgrading and she got a virus on her mainframe so we are down until she gets it fixed. these are definitely some things that can help you...you are using the poisons/insecticides (we don't approve of them) but hey...you have done the deed..let's make it work! please take the aggressive view on this and THINK SMARTER THAN THE MITE! remember new bites equal new mites...always a sign that they are in the environment...and that environment isn't just your home...it's everywhere you have gone.
i'll try to come back in case you have any questions, but please know, i will answer any and all questions. i of course sell products, but i've been doing this almost 3 years and there's a lot of free stuff that i don't mind giving out. heck, if it was about the money, i'd be rich now and living somewhere fun...i know you don't know me but i promise i will try to help you and everyone else here with as much info as i can.
keep positive...that's something that only you can do! it wouldn't hurt to do some good one a day vitamins to keep up your immune system. best of luck
shady wrote:
I got scabies about 3 years ago from my ex-girlfriend. She said she got them from living in a lower-class living home. I have had them now for years and have tried all types of treatments. I have tried the creams, washed my clothes, cleaned my sheets, and it always seems like they have gone away except for the fact that I still have multiple red sores on the top of my thighs. These sores will nto go away no matter how many treatments I go through. The last treatment was three nights of Permethrin 5% Cream. And I still have the sores on my thighs. Any ideas???
casey

AOL

#103 Dec 2, 2006
the itch is from the TOXINS (and feces) in your system. do a good detox (some people do a para-cleanse, altho i think that can be a little over the top...just get the toxins out of your system. drink LOTS of water... and take lots of vitamins. you should start seeing a change within a couple of days.
Scabies In Georgia wrote:
I need info. on post-nodular scabies:
What is the longest amount of time you can have it after successful treatment?
Does the amount of time you suffered with active scabies effect the amount of time of post-nodular?
With post-nodular - do you experience continued rashy looking places and red bumps varying from: raised up to under the skin, and also some places that are flat and it looks like a small red dot?
These are my symptoms, but I don't feel pin-prick bites and I think the only reason I occasionally itch {I rarely itch and it's never worse at night then at day when I do.}is because of everything my skin has been through plus it being winter time {dry skin}. I appreciate help from anyone and everyone. Thank you so much and the best of luck to everyone!

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