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You can also buy Permectrin II from a farm supply. Put a bit in a spray bottle and fill the bottle up with water and just spray it where you are getting bit. It kills the mites, too. It's 10% permethrin, so just be careful, as the creme the doctor prescribes is only 5% permethrin. This way, you don't have to pay a doctor tons of $$$$ money. Also, you can mix borax with hydrogen peroxide and put water and mix that up and use a dishwashing detergent bottle and just squirt it whereever the mites are biting you. do this several times per bite area. the borax will kill the mites, too. Mary
Whenyou add water to a product that is 10% permethrin it is no longer ten percent. If you put half water and half permectrinII in the bottle it becomes 5% permethrin. So if you are diluting it more than that, you are taking away some effectiveness.
I dont know about anyone else but peroxide, borax, boric acid(Refined borax), and diatomaceous earth(Edible kind from health food store, not pool kind) ALL FAILED FOR ME. Just made the buggers angry and i ended up with MORE TRACKS everytime i tried those. Good luck everyone
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It is a very concentrated solution. Directions are to add about a gallon of water for every half ounce, etc. When you do this, the concentration is 10% permethrin. It comes in a quart container and is extremely concentrated. To be used to spray around animals bedding, etc. It's called Permectrin II, and made by Boehringer Ingelheim, and you can buy it from a farm supply place online. My house now has NO ROACHES, NO ANTS, NO SPIDERS anymore since I started using this. You can use it for sarcoptic mange mites.
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Whenyou add water to a product that is 10% permethrin it is no longer ten percent. If you put half water and half permectrinII in the bottle it becomes 5% permethrin. So if you are diluting it more than that, you are taking away some effectiveness.
I dont know about anyone else but peroxide, borax, boric acid(Refined borax), and diatomaceous earth(Edible kind from health food store, not pool kind) ALL FAILED FOR ME. Just made the buggers angry and i ended up with MORE TRACKS everytime i tried those. Good luck everyone
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Nov 25, 2006
 
I have scabies and I have used elimimite 6 times and keep getting it back in about 7 to 10 days. I am going to go to the feed store tomorrow but, I have a 2 year old son who also has scabies and is having trouble sleeping because of them any suggestions???
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scabies in FL too wrote:
I have scabies and I have used elimimite 6 times and keep getting it back in about 7 to 10 days. I am going to go to the feed store tomorrow but, I have a 2 year old son who also has scabies and is having trouble sleeping because of them any suggestions???
My heart goes out to you, esp. the little one.

If you have that option, please seek medical help. Ask the doctor for a prescription of Ivermectin (stromectol).
2 or 3 doses,( if 2 does, 10 days apart if 3 does every 7 days. Look on this board for more info.
Your family doctor should be able to prescribe it, it is an FDA approved drug, which is legal to prescribe for scabies in the USA (off-label). I can re-post some article links to give to the doc if unfamiliar with this drug.

Long soaking baths (30 minutes or more ) with a cup of epsom salt, possibly a tablespoon of tea tree oil and colloidal oatmeal before bedtime are a good option to relieve symptoms.

Regarding the veterinary formulations mentioned on this board... common sense tells me it should be no different from the human drugs. I myself have no problem taking it and have done so when no other option was available.

I have to be perfectly honest with you: I am not sure I would dare to give it to my kids. There is some uncertainty in my mind whether a drug made for animals is indeed as pure as the human drugs. I think it is, I simply do not know for sure. Now I personally am willing to take a chance on that, but I would not want to experiment on my children.

When it came down to what treatment option to go for (for myself), I went with the horse paste, because I did not feel like dealing with my family doc.

If the kids had it, I would see the guy and would leave him no peace until he prescribed the meds.
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Are you taking all the precautions - like putting all covers in plastic bags, tightly tied? Are you bleaching the floors? I have put all my couches in the family room and do not let the dogs go on there. I have just recently bought plastic vinyl mattress protectors and pillow protectors. Are you washing everything in HOT WATER and bleach and letting everything dry in the dryer with the HOTTEST SETTING? Do you have dogs or cats? The paste will work on you. Go to an online horse medical store and buy a couple of tubes of it. be careful with dosage. and yes, take the baby to the doctor and get the lotion AND the stromectol. let us know please. Mary
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I have scabies and I have used elimimite 6 times and keep getting it back in about 7 to 10 days. I am going to go to the feed store tomorrow but, I have a 2 year old son who also has scabies and is having trouble sleeping because of them any suggestions???
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Also, you can buy Permectrin II from a farm supply online. Mix with water and spray your mattress and box spring... well, you have the baby, so I would be careful with it. It depends on if you have dogs and cats, that may have sarcops. the container makes ALOT OF spray, so you don't have to spend so much money. only have to use a little bit each time you refill the spray bottle. Try to eat good, take vitamins, sleep enough, don't get too stressed, and try to relax. Sarcops/scabies like animals/humans that have poor immune systems. BE CAREFUL
scabies in FL too wrote:
I have scabies and I have used elimimite 6 times and keep getting it back in about 7 to 10 days. I am going to go to the feed store tomorrow but, I have a 2 year old son who also has scabies and is having trouble sleeping because of them any suggestions???
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Scabies in FL: I wouldn't totally cut your brother out of your life, but he does have to take some responsibility for his own living situation. He will not overdose and die. Just be there when you can for him. Sell the house as soon as you can, as the longer he stays, the worse the house will get. He can get a job and rent a small pad somewhere. It's not good to have a drug house in a neighborhood. Too many drug-related things happen around the neighborhood once the house is a drug house.
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Selling the house is the plan...he got some money from my parents when they died and i'm just waiting for him to run out or OD which ever comes first(I'm sorry i said that about od'ing but our family has tried everything to cure him including trying to baker act him. We are at our wits end!) When i sell the house i will no longer have to take care of it OR him. I can cut him back out of my life like i had done the previous 10 years until my parents died.
Thankyou for your compassion Mary and good luck in your situation as well.
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Are you taking all the precautions - like putting all covers in plastic bags, tightly tied? <quoted text>
I wonder where this putting things in plastic bags idea came from? Is it supposed to suffocate the mites? I wonder if this is another scabies myth.

If you think of how little air they need, they can probably survive on the air in there for quite a while. If anything , bagging them probably protects them from drying out.

According to my dermatologist, and old fellow, with actual experience treating scabies, there is no need for heroic measures. Wash in hot water, add borax if you must, and dry in a dryer. That should take care of them. The mites are far from indestructible. They are actually pretty fragile.
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Nov 26, 2006
 
Has anyone tried Dexoprin? You buy it online or over the phone so I am pretty cautious about it. I've been looking all over the internet for bad reviews but could not find any so I came here to see if people had anything bad to say about it. If I get desperate enough, I think I'm gonna give it a try, lock myself in a motel room for five days so I know that by the time I come back home, all the mites are dead.
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Nov 26, 2006
 
Ralph wrote:
Has anyone tried Dexoprin? You buy it online or over the phone so I am pretty cautious about it. I've been looking all over the internet for bad reviews but could not find any so I came here to see if people had anything bad to say about it.
Well folks... I took a quick look. A red flag, this claims to be a hoemopathic drug, with undisclosed ingredients.
homeopathic translates to "minuscule amount of ingredients"

Interestingly, there are no obvious negatives to be found, just like the poster says. Unless you are willing and able to dig a bit deeper. I am beginning to seriously wonder if search engines now cull negative info on their paying advertisers.

Check out this link ( btw. I found it via altavista):
Nothing against google, but I tend to mistrust any huge piles of money that just wants to be a bigger pile of money.

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff137...
Selmedica and their various other incarnations... Seem to have a wide range of miracle cures. I am not saying anything about dermisil or dermatec or dexoprin.. you draw your own conclusions.
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Nov 26, 2006
 
shady wrote:
I got scabies about I go through. The last treatment was three nights of Permethrin 5% Cream. And I still have the sores on my thighs. Any ideas???
Does it get better / worse if not treated? does it itch?
How long since your last treatment?

If it does not get worse, or naturally improves over time:

I would treat it with something relatively harmless such as tea tree oil, perhaps diluted in some good quality cold cream. eucerin seems to be good. Perhaps a combination treatment of some bactericide/fungicide (a dermatologist should be able to give you a script for such).

If you still have scabies, left untreated it would get worse pretty quick. After completing treatment, if you have some survivors, you would be back to square one within 3-4 weeks.

One of the problem folks tend to have is getting a dermatitis from the treatment. Possibly a stubborn fungal/bacterial infection from open sores. This can linger and cause similar symptoms to scabies. We all tend to overtreat, and it is pretty hard to let go ( i.e stop treatment)
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Nov 26, 2006
 
i agree with slomo, ive been going to town bathing with tea tree oil and it stings my skin like a bitch. part of my problem is that i have dry skin in the winter anyway so it itches naturally even without the scabies so i dont know if its the scabies or not, another is ive started seeing someone i actually like so ive gone crazy about trying to get rid of it so i can get some hey hey. it is also crusting at the tip of my penis and i know crusting has a correlation with hiv so being a gay man, it freaks me out. i only have seen one nodule that won't go away and ive done the permithrin for the last consecutive two weeks. anyway, i think worshipping jesus to get rid of it hasn't worked. i'm thinking about switching to worshipping allah starting tomorrow. i'll let you guys know how it turns out.
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Nov 26, 2006
 
Ralph wrote:
i agree with slomo, ive been going to town bathing with tea tree oil and it stings my skin like a bitch.
Try to disperse the tea tree oil by mixing it with some bubble bat or liquid soap before puttin it in the bath. The soap will act as an emulsifier, so the oil will not settle out on the lower part of your body. Also, you do not need a huge amount.
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Nov 26, 2006
 
I too have been battling with scabies since my 11 month old's father came home from prison and had no where to live and I allowed him to live in my home for two weeks, even though he decided not to tell me he had been infected by the scabies mites. I have done the permethrin cream on myself and three children every two weeks since the beginning of September and seem to still have a little itching (not as intense as before I was treated), and every now and then my children and I have bumps that appear and then disappear. I'm just not sure if we still have them or not, or if I need another medicine. From reading the stories, it sounds like nothing really helps. Has anyone been cured?
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Whenyou add water to a product that is 10% permethrin it is no longer ten percent. If you put half water and half permectrinII in the bottle it becomes 5% permethrin. So if you are diluting it more than that, you are taking away some effectiveness.
I dont know about anyone else but peroxide, borax, boric acid(Refined borax), and diatomaceous earth(Edible kind from health food store, not pool kind) ALL FAILED FOR ME. Just made the buggers angry and i ended up with MORE TRACKS everytime i tried those. Good luck everyone
Mary is correct!!! The Martin's Permethrin 10% is a concentrate. 8 oz in 12.5 gal. for dip, spongeing or spraying dogs. 8 oz in 6.25 gal for surface spray.
See for yourself: Full label discloseure at jefferslivestock.com
http://www.jefferslivestock.com/ssc/product.a...

Mary has great sense of humor. I kid with her a bit because I like her too. Hi Mary
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I too have been battling with scabies since my 11 month old's father came home...
You do not need to post the same message in multiple threads. Most of us read all threads, so posting in one thread is sufficient.

Scabies can be cured. It is a bit of a hassle but do not lose hope. Everyone in the household needs to be treated at the same time. Ask your doc for stromectol pills. The dosage and how to go about it has been posted on this board.

Good luck,,
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Nov 27, 2006
 
Fiji Cooties:
You went to the Doc. and they said it was post-nodular scabies - Just wondering: Are your symptoms no itching or pin-prick bites, but still having the red bumps pop up and go away within a week or so?
Basically, that's what I'm going through. However, I've been told that post-nodular only lasts 2-3 months tops --- Is this what the Doc. told you or did they say it could last longer? Anyway you could ask about that - I'd really appreciate it because I'm unable to see a Doc. due to finances and lack of insurance.
Thank you and Best of Luck!
Irritating in Illinois

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Nov 27, 2006
 
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A good resource is the Jen Scabies manual:
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/BHS_NHM_Mic...
Some important info:
1) Eggs hatch in 3-5 days ( some authors say rarely up to 8 days).
2) The Eggs are tough to kill. Permethtrin and Lindane is supposed to kill them, but it is easy to miss some. There is some talk about variants that are developing resitance to permethrin.
3) Hatchlings reach adulthood in 14 days ( there may be some variation, depending on temperature probably no less than 10 days)
IMHO the surest treatment is 2 doses of Stromectol, 200 mcg per body kilogramm, taken 10 days apart.
The rationale for this:
Assuming there is no reinfection, the first dose kills any live mites. It does not miss any in your skin, because it gets into your blood and tissues. everywhere. It is probably a good idea to take some nice long salt baths, or use your favorite topical at the same time to kill any immature mites that live on your skin, and not yet burrowed in.
After the first dose and a nice long hot bath, you only have eggs left, possibly quite a few under your skin. All of them will bne hatched in 10 days, but this is not enough for them to reach maturity and mate. Hence a 2nd dose of stromectol in 10 days.
Note that the stromectol may make your symptoms appear worse for a few days. This is because it kills all mites under your skin, and they break down, causing the typical outbreaks because of the allergic reaction which causes the symptoms.
Immature mites create small holes (molting pouches)
when they change from one developmental stage to another.
You have a real problem when a pregnant female tunnels into your skin. She produces 2-3 eggs a day and lives 1-2 moths.(some literature says up to 3 months)
Some other things I tried:
a) Sulphur ointment. You can get sublimated sulphur powder, and make your own ointment with petroleum jelly. This did not work at all for us.
It did not kill the mites, and, within a few days we all had severely irritated skin. Like, red, and parchment like.
Possibly my method of making the cream had some imperfections.(Made it in the mixer)
One of my elder relatives recalls using some from of sulphur cream in POW camp, and claims it smelled like rotten eggs. This leads me to believe the original cream is some sulphur compound, not pure sulphur powder.
2) Benzyl Benzoate : an older topical lotion, can be had over the counter in most European countries. Works reasonably well to kill mites on contact. Does not kill eggs. It is a skin irritant, especially after a hot bath, and even worse on wet skin.
the absolute worse you could do is trying to wash it off with warm water if it is stinging your skin.
Be extremely careful not to get it in your eyes.
All that said, if applied to cool dry skin, it is not bad at all. For kids , or sensitive skin, it can be mixed with some water based lotion 1:1 ( like eucerin or something similar). It becomes a lot more palatable, and it is better than nothing.
There are some unanswered questions that remain unclear to me based on the literature:
1) It seems to me once a female dug in it does not go anywhere, and only lays eggs in a burrow. How can there be any eggs of host? What is the mechanism for that?
2) What is the formula for the infamous sulphur ointment?
3) The mites are tracheal breathers. They need air.
How long can they live without air? E.g.: If you immerse yourself in a bathtub, how long before they suffocate?
4) How about a nice caribean vacation? Would sun exposure and swimming in the ocean help?
I took that stuff but my doctor told me to take it again a week which I did. Showered and cleaned everything each time. I still have bumps and itches ;(
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Oh my goodness, Ralph, you are a trip!!! Have you tried ivermectin paste. You can buy it from a horse supply place online. It measures out at doses of 250 lbs. buy a couple of tubes of that, and be careful with the dosing. Take it one day, and then the next day, and then wait and see what happens, and no more doses until about 9 days later. You may have several things going on with you. Have you seen a doctor? Tea TRee Oil is a big tease. And you smell funny, too, with it, and then everyone asks you, what the heck do you have on YOU? You smell WEIRD!!
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i agree with slomo, ive been going to town bathing with tea tree oil and it stings my skin like a bitch. part of my problem is that i have dry skin in the winter anyway so it itches naturally even without the scabies so i dont know if its the scabies or not, another is ive started seeing someone i actually like so ive gone crazy about trying to get rid of it so i can get some hey hey. it is also crusting at the tip of my penis and i know crusting has a correlation with hiv so being a gay man, it freaks me out. i only have seen one nodule that won't go away and ive done the permithrin for the last consecutive two weeks. anyway, i think worshipping jesus to get rid of it hasn't worked. i'm thinking about switching to worshipping allah starting tomorrow. i'll let you guys know how it turns out.
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OhTake it one day, and then the next day, and then wait and see what happens, and no more doses until about 9 days later.
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I am not sure it would be wise to take 2 doses back to back. like Mary suggests. The resulting dose would be the sum of the 2 doses taken, because most of the 1st dose is still present when the 2nd one is taken.

There is one published study where something like this was done, but that was an australian patient with crusted and drug resistant scabies. Also, the reasoning why they did this so far remains unclear. The article just refers to another article where the idea came from.

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