ivermectin dosage chart and info
Lyle

Missoula, MT

#274 Aug 21, 2013
"The actual cure rate for ivermectin on this forum is less than 1%." Fred, i don't know how you could possibly come up with such a percentage of a cured rate, unless you polled everyone on this forum. Nevertheless, it really doesn't matter, as I have posted before all of us are cured differently, since out bodies are different. Fred, your "guesstimate" though maybe be very close (at least of those that actually do post). I am no expert on any of this, but it appears it worked for both My Wife and I. The key though was to use the ivermectin long enough to actually work. What i seem to notice is for those doctor's who will prescribe the iver, is that they won't prescribe it long enough to make sure the full cycle is killed. That is why I took it for two months straight, once a week. I wanted to be sure I had gotten the full cycle. We had previously tried taking it, but the time frames were too short and it did not catch the fill cycle, I believe. Do whatever works, people! Also, remember that the left over junk from these mites will be in your skin for months to follow, and the itching to a point will still exist. It takes many months to get rid of the junk they left behind. Lots of showers, scrubbing the skin, etc releasing the dead bodies, waste, etc of these buggers.
relief at last

Windermere, FL

#275 Aug 21, 2013
Thank you for posting this Lyle. I too believe that the iver will work if I take it for long enough. I've only had the mites for a few months so I doubt I have any secondary problems like Lymes. It seems from reading the posts that the success rate is pretty good,
Lyle wrote:
"The actual cure rate for ivermectin on this forum is less than 1%." Fred, i don't know how you could possibly come up with such a percentage of a cured rate, unless you polled everyone on this forum. Nevertheless, it really doesn't matter, as I have posted before all of us are cured differently, since out bodies are different. Fred, your "guesstimate" though maybe be very close (at least of those that actually do post). I am no expert on any of this, but it appears it worked for both My Wife and I. The key though was to use the ivermectin long enough to actually work. What i seem to notice is for those doctor's who will prescribe the iver, is that they won't prescribe it long enough to make sure the full cycle is killed. That is why I took it for two months straight, once a week. I wanted to be sure I had gotten the full cycle. We had previously tried taking it, but the time frames were too short and it did not catch the fill cycle, I believe. Do whatever works, people! Also, remember that the left over junk from these mites will be in your skin for months to follow, and the itching to a point will still exist. It takes many months to get rid of the junk they left behind. Lots of showers, scrubbing the skin, etc releasing the dead bodies, waste, etc of these buggers.
FRED

Golden, CO

#276 Aug 21, 2013
relief at last wrote:
Thank you for posting this Lyle. I too believe that the iver will work if I take it for long enough. I've only had the mites for a few months so I doubt I have any secondary problems like Lymes. It seems from reading the posts that the success rate is pretty good, <quoted text>
The bacteria from infected insects is transferred in a matter of hours.

What posts are you reading?! I've been tracking this forum for 2 years. The pattern you will see is that people post they are cured several times and then come back to say they aren't. People here have done Iver for months on end with no results including soaking their head in a shower cap of it while sleeping. Iver will definitely reduce symptoms for a while but it won't clear the infection.

Go get a skin scraping from some doctor that is qualified . Derms are not.

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FRED

Golden, CO

#277 Aug 21, 2013
I suggest to anyone who wants a good account of Ivermectin to read the whole imidacloprid thread. It was descussed and used there by very many people. Many people posted they were cured from it there only to find out a month or two later that they weren't. Not a single person was cured with Iver in any form.

It will teach you everything you ever wanted to know about iver and then some.

http://www.topix.com/forum/health/scabies/TLF...
Lyle

Missoula, MT

#278 Aug 22, 2013
"Go get a skin scraping from some doctor that is qualified . Derms are not." Fred, can you explain this statement further for me? Where I live you are referred to Derm's for issues such as this. Here they are considered the "skin specialists". I had asked a few doctor's to do skin scrapping and I was told that doing so does not show everything necessary. As much as I disagreed, I was basically shut down from both. Both also recommended if it did not clear up, to go see a Derm. I am not here to debate what works for some and not others with you Fred. I appreciate your input, and at times I do agree with your statements, and at times I disagree. We are all here to learn and help each other to deal with the scabies issue(hopefully). My comment on the 1% was merely stating that in my opinion, to come up with a percentage of "cured" individuals on this site, you would need to poll all of them,to be accurate. I must assume many do not post, although they may have claimed to be cured. Although you may be totally correct, I do believe there is several people who have found the cure for scabies through using ivermectin. Can I say I am 100% sure I am cured? Of course not, but I see no new bites, and the little itching I do have now and then is minimal at best. I am assuming that the scabies debris is still leaving my body months later still, and that is what I am feeling now and then. Fred, thanks for your posts, I do believe you are honestly attempting to help others.
FRED

Golden, CO

#279 Aug 22, 2013
Dermotologists focus on how your skin looks but the skin only shows symptoms of what is happening inside your body.

It doesn't matter if you have no new "bites", very often what is actually happening is that people are confusing a wound from what looks like a "bite" that comes from the outside with a wound from a bacterial growth that comes from the inside. Those bites have a very high chance of being exit wounds.

How do these exit wounds occur? A very common infection that mites or numerous other insects as well as cats and dogs and perhaps other people too is Bartonella. Bartonella likes to concentrate in the jawline and the head so if people are complaining of having these in there scalp or in their mouth that's a pretty good sign it's something other than mites. Scabies don't go on the head because of the PH there, regardless of what posters here believe. Bartonella is an intracellular infection and it releases chemicals and both of these cause the immune system to not be a factor. Agrobacterium is widely used in genetically modifying our food supply. Agrobacterium was designed to alter the DNA of plants so that the plants would be less prone to insects or have other characteristics. It wasn't supposed to effect humans but it does and quite readily.

The closest relative to Bartonella bacteria is Agrobacterium, they share some of the same genes and have very similar abilities. When you have a situation where someone gets an agrobacterium infection then that is an opportunistic infection and it won't become symptomatic until your body is run down. The agrobacterium infection works together wit other infections in your body and this is called pathogenic synergy. When the agrobacterium gets inside you it does what it was designed to do, create a gene shift in your DNA. This gene shift from specifically Agrobacterium Tumefaciens will cause a mutation where the keratin and collagen in your body grow into fibers. You may not be aware of this for years.

When the growth caused by your now mutated DNA becomes prevalent enough then the fibers will start to poke out of your skin giving the impression of a "bite"

Next time you get a "bite" very gently run your fingertip over it. do you feel a protrusion? Like a very small sliver sticking out?

Common symptoms of a bartonella like organism infection(agrobacterium) are red track marks and unhealing lesions and eventually as symptoms progress small dots that look like bites.

Scabies are scabies and the problem with a lot of what people think here is that they use "common sense" or there "opinion" to replace established and substantiated science.I did that too and didn't make any progress for a year, just suffered. At that point I realized that I needed to understand much more than this forum could ever offer. I read more about these subjects than any 50 of the people who post here. Unfortunately These infections manifest as psychiatric because the common collection of infections, Borrelia, Babesia,Bartonella, BLO, etc are intracellular so they readily get into the brain through the blood. That's why when people who have had this for a long time and treat it with toxic stuff that the body absorbs turn into mean basket case trolls.

As far as Dermatolgists go they almost exclusively follow the guidelines of the American Academy of Dermatolgy. So they don't look for this newly emerging problem because the ADA is backward on the science. A lot of people have gone to Derms and been given ORAP which is a psychiatric drug but people don't know that because they just get the script filled and feel better but the infections progress.

When i decided to read everything I could and follow every clue I started making some connections. I basically read 8 hours a day for a year. Sure a lot of people come here with mites but the symptoms persist after the mites are gone or the symptoms of "scabies" could be from the BLO/pathogenic synergy infection and just look like scabies.
FRED

Golden, CO

#280 Aug 22, 2013
Nobody else has figured this out and I only did because i read so much. This science is not completely out there so you have to read a lot of stuff and connect what is happening. Some of the information is suppressed.

People don't want to read that much and they want to make this simple, just put some cream on your skin, just find the right poison. i've been watching this plac e for two years and I can see the big picture now, the patterns of treatment failure and what people describe as "scabies".

You can't make up science to suit what you think is happening and you can't get your info from some drama website and come away thinking you have a collembola infestation, they don't do that. Stick to well established science. Doctors really don't know very much about treating the cause of this, if your lucky they can figure out how to poison the symptoms. The pharmaceutical companies subsidize the medical colleges and the curriclum is controlled in what is a dramatically flawed system.
FRED

Golden, CO

#281 Aug 22, 2013
If you follow the posters here like I have and then see how patterns of treatment failure are cosistent, even with people who say they are cured only to return, or they are 90% cured, etc. Then you will see that Ivermectin has pretty much been useless in this place.

when you put some kind of toxic poison like permethrin on your skin or use an atimicrobial like tea tree oil the bacteria,fungi,protozoal piroplasms, etc don't like that and they aren't dumb so they move back inside your body and the skin symptoms go away for a while.

This stuff gets inside your brain, your bone marrow, your spinal fluid. How many perm treatments does it take to fix that? HA!

Read this whole thread.

http://www.topix.com/forum/health/scabies/TP8...
FRED

Golden, CO

#282 Aug 22, 2013
Agrobacterium tumefaciens is a pathogenic infectious bacteria.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/10/...

"Mutant forms of Agrobacterium are also widely used in agricultural biotechnology for their ability to create transgenic plants containing new genes of scientific or economic interest," said Winans, a professor in Cornell's Department of Microbiology. "Perhaps these findings could be exploited to get more effective delivery of DNA for biotechnology uses."

In wiki it says;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrobacterium

"Although generally seen as an infection in plants, Agrobacterium can be responsible for opportunistic infections in humans with weakened immune systems,[3][4] but has not been shown to be a primary pathogen in otherwise healthy individuals."

The above is a misconception and here is why;

*BTW anyone who has live of a fast food diet especially in our modern stress oriented world ahs a compromised immune system

Agrobacterium is so close to Bartonella that it has many of the same attributes. It shares common genes and abilities. They both are intracellular infections that not only infect the red blood cells but also release chemicals so the immune system is shut down systematically.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10749166

"Cloning, sequencing, and expression of three Bartonella henselae genes homologous to the Agrobacterium tumefaciens VirB region."

http://iai.asm.org/content/69/10/6495

"Intracellular Induction of the Bartonella henselae virB Operon by Human Endothelial Cells"

*endothelial cells line all the blood vessels.

http://www.ncagr.gov/oep/oneMedicine/noms/201...

http://jmm.sgmjournals.org/content/51/11/915....

"Based on phylogenetic analysis of the 16S rRNA sequences, the relatedness of Bartonella spp. to other alpha-2 Proteobacteria including Brucella spp., Afipia spp., Agrobacterium tumefaciens,"

http://www.publichealthalert.org/Articles/jam...

"Bartonella is a massive immune suppressing bacteria."

http://www.i-sis.org.uk/FSAopenmeeting.php

"The researchers found that it was extremely difficult to get rid of the Agrobacterium used in the vector system after transformation."

"Agrobacterium was also found to transfer genes into several types of human cells [19], and in a manner similar to that which it uses to transform plant cells."

It's not until you make many complex connections that you begin to appreciate what is actually happening to the people here at the "scabies" forum.
Alimay

Phoenix, AZ

#283 Aug 23, 2013
itchy girl wrote:
I have had scabies for 6 months now. I had to diagnose it myself, my doc was clueless! No one else in the family have gotten it from me. It took a long time for them to breed on me cause I use glycolic on my skin daily all over in a body cream. As a result when they finally transferred to my hands and I knew what they were I had them everywhere (my kids got them from camp one summer). The whole family treated with perm 2 times. I was covered with hives from the huge die off. 3 weeks later more sores, after research here I went back to doctor and made her give me iver and more perm. She would only give me 2 doses a week apart. Once again I had huge die off that resulted in me looking like I had hives everywhere. 5 weeks later I had new spots show up. The derm convinced me there was no way I could still have scabies. BS!! I thankfully had more perm tubes left (or so i thought at the time). I treated every 4 days, when the eggs would hatch out I would get the pin pricking on my skin. Still didn't work, obviously the ones I have are resistant. I called the derm and begged for a iver scrip for four doses each a week apart. The woman is clueless. I gave up on her and went to the feed store. I have now taken the iver 4 more times. The first 2 times the die off was unbelievable. It is like they bury themselves deeper in my skin because of all the acid and retin A that I use. I did a follow up visit to the clueless derm to which she looked at my crusted bleeding ring fingers and claimed there was no way that I could still have them. She gave me a scrip for eurax. Lots of fun with that one, you cant bath for 3 days but I will say that the eurax is more soothing. I am a hairstylist! my hands are in water all the time. NO WONDER I COULDN'T GET RID OF THEM ON MY HANDS!! YOU HAVE TO LET ALL THESE DRUGS SIT ON YOUR SKIN FOR THEM TO WORK THE BEST. I put on the eurax friday and took a dose of iver. 3 new spots still after all that prior treatment. Second dose of eurax on saturday (got to change my clothing too yea) woke up sunday (christmas) to 2 new spots, does it ever end. Took iver again tonight. I find that NOT bathing is working better than me bathing constantly. My skin is healing the new spots that have come up int he last week have healed really quickly too. The product can sit on my skin and continue to kill. I am not bathing until thursday, it is sooo gross. I will take a last dose of iver on tuesday night to make sure they are gone. I have turned my hot water heater way up and I am washing my clothing separate from family as well as keeping my hands gloved so I don't spread it to anyone. Someone needs to really inform the derms out there that perm cream is for the birds if you have been infested for over 2 months. There is just too many of them. Iver is the way to go! My itching is down to nothing and I am sure this is going to get rid of them. My sis reminded me last week that vit C works as a antihistamine if taken in large doses. I started taking 3000 to 5000mg a day since then and believe it or not it works.(C is water soluble so you can never overdose, you will use only what you need.)
I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy! Thank you to all the posters that gave me the helpful advise to get rid of this.
Thanks SO SO much for the helpful advice!! Thought I was going crazy! I have been SURE it is scabies only to the disbelief of my own family and a reluctant Derm. Thanks - for - the - hope.
NW Guy

Portland, OR

#284 Aug 24, 2013
sick-tired wrote:
just bought some horse paste someone said double the dose [oral] anyone have any thoughts or suggestions on this?
I bought the 1.87% horse paste. I'm 160lbs and took the 250lbs dose once a day for 7 days straight. I think they're gone, but will continue with 250lbs dose every 3rd day now (3 more times, total). I felt the crawlies come out the first day, and again a couple nights later, but they soon die off. I have no more bites or rashes; they're out of my nose and gone from my eye and ear areas, and my neck has healed, GET IVERMECTIN.
relief at last

Windermere, FL

#285 Aug 25, 2013
NW Guy, please keep posting and let me know if it is working, thanks!
NW Guy wrote:
<quoted text> I bought the 1.87% horse paste. I'm 160lbs and took the 250lbs dose once a day for 7 days straight. I think they're gone, but will continue with 250lbs dose every 3rd day now (3 more times, total). I felt the crawlies come out the first day, and again a couple nights later, but they soon die off. I have no more bites or rashes; they're out of my nose and gone from my eye and ear areas, and my neck has healed, GET IVERMECTIN.
Katee

Homewood, IL

#286 Aug 30, 2013
Just wanted to let anyone know of my progress who may be interested. I did the 2 weeks of permethrin and stromectol.

It was great while I used but symptoms all came right back a few days later, including itchy bumps, pin prick biting, crawlies. I know they say this is part of post scabies too, but I've been through this before (I've been doing this over a year now), so I decided to go with 2 more weeks of treatment. Only for the last 2 weeks, I didn't have stromectol, I had the ivermectin injectible that I ordered from amazon using it according to what Americangirl had posted.(She probably has no idea what an icon she's become to us who suffer from this!).

All my bites and marks/scars immediately went away by the end of it. Some scars remain on my chest but you have to look hard to see them. Now I'm 2 weeks past that and I still have itching and crawling, but only a couple new marks in total since and they only lasted about a day. Post scabies? Don't know, just have to see how it goes.

A comment on the ivermectin, I don't believe it's completely safe to use. The first 3 weeks were ok, but the 4th time I used it I had a terrible time with bowel issues I won't spell out for you. I would not use it again right now. Be careful.

I steer away from "natural" remedies because to me they are snake oil... hmmmm, snake oil? Nah. Ok, except, if you are all like me, you've been trying stuff like sulfur, anything that helps you sleep thru the night, and drying yourself out like a prune. I got some Neem oil today, it feels good on my skin and I'm not itchy-crawlie-bitie tonight. Just an observation. Gonna give this stuff a chance as maybe a post scabies treatment regimen to cure my skin and maybe even help stop from getting reinfested.

If you get Neem oil, make sure it's the 100% neem oil like from Amazon and not something that Home Depot sells for your garden. Those products have other ingredients in them that are dangerous for you. Neems stinks though, like a cross between garlic and boullion cubes. Anyone remember what a dirty ashtray smells like?... stir it around in a dirty ashtray and that's the smell of Neem.

Doc appt on Tuesday, he's going to tell me I'm cured because my skin has cleared up regardless of the crawlies and pin prick bites. We'll see.
Jackie

Ardsley, NY

#287 Aug 31, 2013
Hi Katee, thanks for checking in I have been reading your story, do you see bite marks when you feel pin pricking? The last time I treated it was March with Iver I still feel crawling and pin pricks. No rashes or bumps. Very confused. Please keep posting.

Since: Sep 12

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#288 Aug 31, 2013
If it only needs to be 1% Iveermectin would something like this work and eliminate the need for syringes etc? The ad says only need 1 drop per 500 grams of body weight.Just looking at ivermectin options.

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/NEW-STRONG-1-IVERMECTI...
Katee

Homewood, IL

#289 Aug 31, 2013
I don't know about those drops, seems to me if they are meant for birds or small animals that it wouldn't be near what you need for a human. I would buy the ivermectin injectible from amazon for cattle/swine, and no you don't use the syringe for anything other than measuring the amount for your weight. Then squirt into a glass of juice or something and drink it. No one on these forums has ever suggested anyone should give themselves a shot so I hope you know that.
Hi Jackie, I got the pin pricks mostly on my feet and small tiny red marks were showing up but now that has stopped. However I was spot treating with permethrin. I seem to be getting red bumps on my back again though. I even have a Celestron microscope for my computer, and everytime I feel crawlies I use it to try to catch something. I never see anything tho, then again I'm not sure it is powerful enough to see a mite. And I really don't have any idea what a real mite would look like because all I've seen are the ones online and those aren't a good reference.
My doctor said to expect this to happen so we'll have to keep up with eachother over time and see how it goes. March seems like a long time ago to still be feeling this tho. How were you treated?
Katee

Homewood, IL

#290 Aug 31, 2013
Itchee, besides...those drops are for external use. I'm not so sure you can take them internally? Is there a difference between ivermectin pour-on type and the injectible that you can drink? There is a pour-on version of ivermectin too for cattle/swine but I'm not sure how that would be used. I've seen it mentioned that the risk would be mites building resistance. Don't know, maybe have to read through previous 277 pages to see who has tried it.
Katee

Homewood, IL

#291 Aug 31, 2013
Sorry to keep posting!! I just had another observation about the pin pricks and/or crawlies. When my skin is calm, it's calm all over. When I feel crawlies begin, it's never only one spot. It seems to be in many different places, and to me that seems to suggest that maybe it is a nerve ending issue. I'm sure mites don't have cell phones and coordinate their attacks at the same times. Again, just an observation, trying to figure stuff out.

Since: Sep 12

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#292 Aug 31, 2013
Hi Katee

Thanks for the responding. Is there any that you can get that you don't need a syringe for that you know of?
I saw Amazon has 1.87% available. Is that the kind you can take internally?

Since: Sep 12

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#293 Aug 31, 2013
What did you take?

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