Post-Scabies Treatment Eczema

“Scabies Help and Advice ”

Since: Apr 08

Santa Monica

#62 Apr 16, 2008
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“Scabies Help and Advice ”

Since: Apr 08

Santa Monica

#63 Apr 16, 2008
Ok. I want to help others out there suffering with scabies and not getting the correct information. I've created a completely free help and advice website which I've donated all my research to anyone who wants to find more information. I can also try to answer any questions you may have, the best I can.
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sunshine07

London, UK

#64 Apr 22, 2008
Wauw, this forum is great!
I have been treated for scabies 3 times in a period of 4 weekks now. Twice I've used malathion lotion and the 3rd time I used permethrin cream. After using the cream I've developed severe eczema all over my body. The itching is driving me mad and I don't know if this is from the eczema or that I am still infested.
My skin has gotten infected from scratching at night(even with gloves on!) and even though I am on antibiotics and use creams,I feel this is not helping much. Any one with similar problems after using permethrin?

“Scabies Help and Advice ”

Since: Apr 08

Santa Monica

#65 Apr 22, 2008
Malathion has a low-cure rate from what I've read in medical reports. It's mostly used for head lice. You may need an antihistimine like Benadryl. Sounds like you either had an allergic reaction to Permethrin (any ragweed allergies?)or you may have a secondary infection called pruritus in which Eurythomycin is great. Ask your doctor about this. If you have new bumps you may be still infected. See my website (free) for additional info if you like. Wish you the best! www.geocities.com/dhr6878
Sam

Sacramento, CA

#66 May 1, 2008
With all this talk about fungal infections I went in to see if that's what I had. This derm knew more about scabies than any others I've seen. I don't have a fungus. He said those sit on top of your skin, not underneath like what I have.

He said the white lines and roadmaps under my skin look like scabies burrows, but since they are white they are probably not active, active burrows are usually grey. These are scars from the scabies. Most of them are getting wider, and fading.

He understood the importance of using iver and a topical at the same time for some patients. He said the skin in your hands and feet is thicker, and the scabies burrow deeper in that skin, and it takes longer for that skin to heal after all the scabies are dead.

He said of course you can feel the mites crawling on top and under your skin, same as you can feel any other foreign object. First doctor I've heard of that understood that, most say the mites are too small to feel them crawling on you.

Post scabies, he said you have little nerves all over your skin. When the mites are living in your skin, they actually damage those nerves. That's why you can still feel like you have scabies after they are dead, it's the damaged (I forgot if he said nerve endings or nerve pathways). I forgot to ask how long it takes them to heal, or if they ever fully heal, good question for a neurologist. He wanted to prescribe doxeprin for that, but I said I'd hold off.

He said the mites can cause eczema and prescribed Elidel and said stop using bleach in laundry. I'm not convinced that I'm in post scabies, but I'm considering it.
Dead Mite

United States

#67 May 1, 2008
Sam,

Elidel is an immunosuppressant. Is that something you want to use? Scabies takes it's toll on the immune system, we want to build up, not decrease.

"Elidel is a cream containing pimecrolimus, an immunosuppressant. It works by decreasing your body's immune system to help slow down the growth of atopic dermatitis (eczema) on your skin.

Elidel is used to treat severe atopic dermatitis when other medications have not worked well.

Elidel may also be used for purposes other than those listed here."
Sam

Sacramento, CA

#68 May 1, 2008
Thanks DM, I'll use it sparingly.
Too Long

Oak Harbor, WA

#69 May 3, 2008
Sam wrote:
With all this talk about fungal infections I went in to see if that's what I had. This derm knew more about scabies than any others I've seen. I don't have a fungus. He said those sit on top of your skin, not underneath like what I have.
He said the white lines and roadmaps under my skin look like scabies burrows, but since they are white they are probably not active, active burrows are usually grey. These are scars from the scabies. Most of them are getting wider, and fading.
He understood the importance of using iver and a topical at the same time for some patients. He said the skin in your hands and feet is thicker, and the scabies burrow deeper in that skin, and it takes longer for that skin to heal after all the scabies are dead.
He said of course you can feel the mites crawling on top and under your skin, same as you can feel any other foreign object. First doctor I've heard of that understood that, most say the mites are too small to feel them crawling on you.
Post scabies, he said you have little nerves all over your skin. When the mites are living in your skin, they actually damage those nerves. That's why you can still feel like you have scabies after they are dead, it's the damaged (I forgot if he said nerve endings or nerve pathways). I forgot to ask how long it takes them to heal, or if they ever fully heal, good question for a neurologist. He wanted to prescribe doxeprin for that, but I said I'd hold off.
He said the mites can cause eczema and prescribed Elidel and said stop using bleach in laundry. I'm not convinced that I'm in post scabies, but I'm considering it.
Sam, Progress had another thread about this...
I know I am far from post scabies....I was just wondering more about the
white tracks thing.....I'm not seeing gray or white....just red...like scratches....maybe it's different skin tones or types or different mites. I don't know....but mine have never looked gray. And the iver and the no swimming thing....wow...so it's like wasting the iver? Progress had mentioned that too. One of the reasons I don't like Eurax. No showering.
Hmmmm.....well take care Sam. Sounds like you're on your way. Right on.
Sam

Sacramento, CA

#70 May 3, 2008
Thanks TL, I've been at this point many times, thought I was cured, it slowly crept back. Not this time. I stopped treatments too early, kept getting reinfected by clothes, car, cell phone. I could not get them out of my cell phone so I put it in layers of bags, smashed it with a hammer and threw it away. I would get lazy and not keep up cleaning.

Lots of info is here on these threads, it's just scattered, and that's understandable since that's the way we have figured this all out, one cured person at a time.

BT posted a link to all kinds of scabies photos at the top of a thread called scabies photos. There is one called Chinese burrows, that looks like scratches. Best of luck to you too.

“Scabies Help and Advice ”

Since: Apr 08

Santa Monica

#71 May 4, 2008
http://www.emedicine.com/EMERG/topic517.htm I just located this website from a doctor on the east coast which I want to share with you all. Very informative (except for not mentioning to treat head & face & behind ears also) But some good topics on there, some things which I hadn't read about previously. I'm thinking to write to him for additional information. I'm also going to contact an epedemiologist who specializes in this. I'll let you know!
Sarah

Brighton, MA

#72 May 12, 2008
I have apparently had scabies for about 3 months although I just recently was diagnosed. I treated with Permethrin Cream 5% and a few days later I noticed the bumps on my hands fading away. I have not noticed bumps anywhere else but I am still extremely itchy...I'm really wondering how you ever REALLY know that you are cured especially if the itching doesnt stop? If there are no bumps does that mean there are no mites or is it a possibility that I am still infested??
bert

Kemp, TX

#73 May 25, 2008
we have what seem to be scabies we used LINDANE LOTION 1% I have used twice nad my wife 3 times we seem to have has a reinfection ...does everyone agree that the pets(cat and dog)can be carriers of scabies?

thank you for your input
Mite Killer

Del Mar, CA

#74 May 25, 2008
bert wrote:
we have what seem to be scabies we used LINDANE LOTION 1% I have used twice nad my wife 3 times we seem to have has a reinfection ...does everyone agree that the pets(cat and dog)can be carriers of scabies?
thank you for your input
Even if it's another type of mite or it's lice, the scabicides will kill them but it's a really good idea to find out exactly what kind of parasite is eating you up.


Yes, pets are mammals and target hosts for sarcoptic mites that cause scabies in humans and mange in animals.

ask your vet about Revolution, Advantage Multi and Advocate. These are spot-on topicals that kill sarcoptic mites. To treat an existing case of mange, these topicals should be applied 2X a month. Another option is Ivermectin injections or oral pills for the pets.

Since Lindane is considered the most toxic treatment choice and you have used it a few times, check into another treatment that isn't as toxic. Permethrin 5%, BB 25%, Sulfur 10% or oral human grade ivermectin pills.

Scabies is curable for people and pets. One of the most importing thing is timing of treatments. Treat the hosts and environment at the same time.
janetinnyc

Pinellas Park, FL

#75 May 28, 2008
MIte Killer, You are so cool to keep posting and helping with straightforward info.
I wanted to post my new theory about dosing schedule, which is derived from Sam and others plus my own experience:
I believe that taking iver every 4 or 5 days for resistant cases is optimal. Several times, I tried that clilnical study's regimen, which is days 1,2,8,9,15,22, and 29,--but a week is too long between doses, especially because of the environmental issues--it leaves the person (host) too vulnerable--and too much at once overwhelms environment--at least in my experience. Every 4 or 5 days offers the best balance and I think keeps new generation from breeding a little better than a full week between doses.
Suffering in NY

Olmstedville, NY

#77 May 29, 2008
I have treated 4 times with Perm 5% cream, and still have sores. I am wondering if these sores are from scratching sooooo much. Also, the newest thing I have is pimple like lesions. They start out red and are sore and then develope into a pimple (white head). Is this a reaction to the Perm cream or is this new break outs? Not sure if I should treat again. The itching does seem to have subsided some.
Rashman

Hammond, IN

#78 Jun 6, 2008
I'm having a hard time figuring out if I've caused eczema from treatments, especially because I never believed I had scabies in the first place. But I do get the bumps like Suffering in NY talks about, they don't ever itch, they're sore like a pimple and usually go away. And I have random itching throughout the day, even at night, but I don't feel biting or like something's crawling on me.

It's also been over 4 months since I developed the rash that 2 different doctors looked at, but the rash appeared immediately after my final treatment for pubic lice. Docs thought it was scabies so I did one 5% treatment and epsom and tto/neem. Dermatologist a couple months ago said dermatitis after describing that the rash came after treating with 1% permethrin three times in a week and that it would be unlikely to have crabs and scabies simultaneously. And I never itched anywhere but my pubic region until after treating with 1% permethrin, then started faint itching on my thighs and forearms.

I haven't done any scabies treatments for 2 months now, not even really cleaning much, but I still itch and get pimple like sores on my thighs. Don't know what to think, but I'd think after 2 months of no treatment the infestation would be unbearable and I would have infested other people, but no one has gotten it from me.
Jilly

Greenslopes, Australia

#79 Jun 6, 2008
Rashman wrote:
I'm having a hard time figuring out if I've caused eczema from treatments, especially because I never believed I had scabies in the first place. But I do get the bumps like Suffering in NY talks about, they don't ever itch, they're sore like a pimple and usually go away. And I have random itching throughout the day, even at night, but I don't feel biting or like something's crawling on me.
It's also been over 4 months since I developed the rash that 2 different doctors looked at, but the rash appeared immediately after my final treatment for pubic lice. Docs thought it was scabies so I did one 5% treatment and epsom and tto/neem. Dermatologist a couple months ago said dermatitis after describing that the rash came after treating with 1% permethrin three times in a week and that it would be unlikely to have crabs and scabies simultaneously. And I never itched anywhere but my pubic region until after treating with 1% permethrin, then started faint itching on my thighs and forearms.
I haven't done any scabies treatments for 2 months now, not even really cleaning much, but I still itch and get pimple like sores on my thighs. Don't know what to think, but I'd think after 2 months of no treatment the infestation would be unbearable and I would have infested other people, but no one has gotten it from me.
mOST OF THE POSTERS ON HERE HAVE USED PERMITHRIN 5% as 1% is for head lice i think and you do get reaction from permithrin. REsearch Surveys showed that most of the time you get it from very close contact with someone who has it. Even sleeping in same bed the percentage that contracted it was small in comparison to the ones that didnt. But they say not to share your towel and wash sheets daily and clean, clean and more clean. I found that in the last month i have post scabies and that was the same if not worse than scabies. So maybe you could have a slight reaction to the 1% cream. I think my daughter and grandson contracted it from me as is sat in their chairs and then they sat in them & my grandson slept in my bed with me on sleep over nights. But we do get paranoid just talking to you i am getting itchy. Best of luck read up on all the other posts and ask questions JIlly
At Last

Hayesville, OH

#80 Sep 8, 2008
It's unfortunate I did not find this post until today. I too have looked for support and comfort in forums for the past year.
I lived with scabies for months before it was diagnosed (in a nasty way by an ex to whom I had given it). The emotional trauma from hearing the news in this way set the tone for the journey I had yet to face.
I'll skip the long story and share my recent news. Today at the dermo, my doctor diagnosed me with eczema. I knew something was fishy because I had not done any form of treatment in months and the symptoms were constant but not escalating... one or two bumps or areas a day, where the itching would persist for a few hours and then dissipate.
Now it makes so much sense. The multiple, MULTIPLE treatments obviously took their toll on my already sensitive and dry skin. I was prescribed with a steroid cream and will hopefully be able to leave this mess behind me very soon. I've refrained from dating and sexual encounters, even sharing hotel rooms with friends for so long now, I'm not sure how to move on.
I suggest that everyone who has been treated several times get scrapings done of problem areas and run this idea by your doctor. The nightmare could be over and you might not even know it.
Fellow Sufferer wrote:
(CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS POSTING)
I know this is long, but certainly not as long as we've all suffered. I have read posts by other fellow sufferers on another posting forum. They have come to the same conclusion that I have. There is also evidence of this post scabies eczema in literature. The literature only refers to this occuring in infants, but it does seem to correlate with many of our symptoms expressed within the posts here, and many adults as well in the other posting forum.
I hope this helps some of you. I know it is hard to believe, and it takes a Herculean effort to not apply more treatment. Please, stick it out. Go with the Benadryl, you may become pleasantly surprised in a weeks time. Of course, if my situation changes and I believe I still have an active infestation, Iíll be sure to let you all know. Although I have never posted before, this posting board is the only thing that has kept me sane for the last few months. It really helped to know there were others out there and that I am not crazy for feeling like I was the only one who could not find relief from scabies.
Jane- Long Island

New York, NY

#81 Sep 30, 2008
I was first diagnosed on 6/30 with scabies--my husband had a terrible rash and itching for a couple months before that, and went to his regular GP, not a dermatologist like I told him to. He was given cortisone shots, antibiotics, etc., but no real diagnosis. Itching got worse, then after a couple of months it started on me. When I was diagnosed on 6/30 my dermatologist gave me prescriptions for me, my husband and my daughter,(who never showed any symptoms), for the Permethrine cream. We all used it, and treated the house as we were supposed to, then used it again a week later. On 7/28 my husband and I both went back to the dermo for scrapings and we got the all clear. The itching continued over the next month and a half for me, and then I started noticing new lesions around my nipples and belly button again, and I freaked. I finally stopped ignoring it and went back to the dermo on 9/11, and lo and behold she took a scraping and it came back showing live mites. I was devastated, so she wanted me to try the Lindane this time, and I refused to use it and wanted to try the Permethrine again, thinking I had possibly missed a spot on my last treatment in July. She said okay, so I did. Used it two times, a week apart, as did my husband and daughter again. Prayed it would be gone for good this time. Went back to her on 9/25, and another scraping showed still had live mites. She seems to think I'm resistant to the Permethrine, so now she gave me Lindane cream and Stromectol (Ivermectin) to take, which I did this past weekend, and will use the Lindane again in a week. Still feeling very itchy and still feeling the "pin prick" feeling---I'm praying that it's just post-scabietic eczema and itching. Now my daughter is complaining of some itching. I am getting so despondent over this--it's been a nightmare for over three months. Sometimes I feel like I will never be rid of this horrible condition, although my Dr. says I will. Does anyone know of anybody that was never able to get rid of this disgusting affliction? Any input would be so appreciated...
Kurt

Korea

#82 Oct 12, 2008
I recently got scabies from a dirty hotel room overseas a couple of months ago. It got to a point on my hands to where I could barely bend my fingers to grip something, and I had some monster blisters on them. This was back in July. The irony was that it was at a 4 star hotel in Korea, and it was just me in the bed. A week or two later I started noticing something bizarre on my hands and feet. I figured it was some sort of a fungal thing, since I wear sandals often and Korea isn't the cleanest place to walk around all the time. After the fungal treatment didn't work and I got fed up with it I went to an emergency room and was told it was scabies. I was pretty shocked, and was prescribed permethrin 5% cream. I was given two tubes and used it over a period of 3 weeks, full body. It took awhile for my feet and hands to recover. My problem areas were between my toes and the webs of my fingers....and generally all over those areas. That's it. The burrows disappeared pretty rapidly after the 3rd application and were pretty much gone with the exception of a new bump or two showing up off and on again the past couple of months. The thing is...I have no itching at all. This weekend though I had a bunch of bumps show up on two old trouble spots (no new areas)....I was wearing rubber gloves cooking at a fundraiser on a grill for a couple of hours, so my hands were sweating...when I took them off I noticed all these new bumps. No itching, so I'm pretty sure it had something to do with the sweat helping push out the leftover mite dung in my hands. What do you guys think? The last time I was at a doctor's office he said I didn't have active scabies, but I always worry when I see these new bumps...even if they are in the same old spots.

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