Morgellons and Lyme from mite infections
FRED

Golden, CO

#170 Jun 30, 2013
When trying to understand the herxheimer reaction ups and downs it is good to consider this;

Life is a series of cycles of energy production, storage, and discharge. this general cycle defines all living organisms, from one-celled algae to man. All of nature follows the 24-hour cycle of a day. All creatures, from the oyster to the elephant, follow a daily pattern of work and rest, sleep and activity. There are biological rhythms within the body that dictate periods of tissue repair, tissue growth, waste elimination, and so forth. Body temperature, blood pressure, brain activity, hormone levels, and a host of other factors obey this rhythm, which scientists call circadian.

Circadian rhythms are a blend of interaction of an internal clock and external cues of the earth's magnetism, electrical fields, gravitational fields and cosmic radiation, even the movement of other planets. Each of our twelve acupuncture meridians in our body have a two-hour period of heightened activity, together, totaling 24-hours--the circadian cycle of the earth's rotation. The body has bio-rhythms of 14-days for the physical, 28-days for the emotional and 33-days for the mental aspects of ourselves. Healing occurs in cycles. Some days the body has a high-energy level and it rebuilds damaged tissues. On such days, we may feel great. On other days, the body must do its detoxification and remove accumulated toxins. When this happens, we may experience low levels of energy or even depression.

Most people lead a lifestyle and follow a diet that inhibits the body in its cyclical work. For instance, when the body is cleansing itself via a cold, people become impatient. They try to suppress the cleansing cycle with drugs or food and the body must abandon its efforts. The body behaves in a sort of roller-coaster fashion as it conducts its detoxification process. One day it may cleanse heavily and we feel like shit. The next day, the toxins have been removed and we feel great. We feel so great, in fact, that the body decides to dig a little deeper and remove some of the older toxins, and then we feel worse.

This is a continuing cycle in the process of healing. Once a certain level of health has been reached, we don't notice the cycles as much and they cause progressively less discomfort. The body goes through increased detoxification and healing crisis with every change of season. Notice how people seem to get sick at those particular times of the year. Fasting for 7-10 days with each seasonal change is practiced by those who understand the benefit gained from helping the body during these natural times of cleansing.
vss

Hollywood, FL

#171 Jun 30, 2013
lotus_fan wrote:
VSS has done every over the top treatment on this forum for two years, nothing could survive that. She is the true Troll here because she constantly spreads lies and wants to be an authority but doesn't have the mental capacity of a rock.
i'm sorry, but you NEVER had this mite.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

You don't know what I have been doing, or what I have or don't have.

I'm sorry, but you can't discredit me. You have tried to control this form for too long. Nothing you say to hurt me will work, board.

Everyone is a dumb ass to you.

I guess you will post some wonderful herbs or tips tomorrow.

Any homeopathy tips, board?
vss

Hollywood, FL

#172 Jun 30, 2013
FRED wrote:
<quoted text>
At least I figured it out and after two years you just said you are still very infected, you haven't made any progress at all miss smarty pants. You don't have mites and you can't figure that out because of your mental disorder. You post stuff that all known science disagrees with because your too busy being on a drinking binge to read anything but you still want to be the boss of this forum with your 5th grade education.
You also are a prolific liar and manipulator.
Still, you don't know what you are talking about. All what you just said about me COMES ALL BACK TO YOU.
You have been a huge liar and manipulator on this forum for way too long.
vss

Hollywood, FL

#173 Jun 30, 2013
No, this is not so much about how to control people as about their needs for control. The real secret is the deep, deep need that people have for a sense of control. By managing their sense of control, you can achieve far greater actual control. If you ignore this, you will soon fall into a power battle for control of the conversation and the agenda.

Control is a deep, deep need

Perhaps the deepest need people have is for control. When we feel out of control, we experience a powerful and uncomfortable tension between the need for control and the evidence of inadequate control.

One of the most disturbing things about having a terminal illness, as those who unfortunately suffer from such afflictions will tell you, is the feeling of powerlessness, of being unable to do anything about it. Being unable to control the illness can be even more painful than impending death.

From an evolutionary standpoint, if we are in control of our environment, then we have a far better chance of survival. Our deep subconscious mind thus gives us strong biochemical prods when we face some kind of danger (see Fight-or-Flight reaction).

Other needs that lead to a sense of control include:

A sense of certainty.


Completion of outstanding things, so we don't have to worry about them..


Understanding of how things work.


Being able to predict what will happen.


That people (including ourselves) and things are consistent.
vss

Hollywood, FL

#174 Jun 30, 2013
Maslow revisited

Psychologist Abraham Maslow defined a hierarchy of needs, with the particular revelation that when lower level needs are not met, then higher-level needs will be abandoned in favor of shoring up the deeper needs.

Take a look at the needs:





Notice how control is important within this, and especially how, the lower you go, the more important control is. We work hard to control disease and our susceptibility to it. Being ill gives a terrible sense of being out of control. Likewise for having a roof over our head (or not), and even in our social environments.

Not control, just the sense

In fact, we don't actually need to be in control all of the time. What we really seek is a sense of control.

When our parents or our managers are controlling us, we can still be happy because we trust them to provide the control we seek in our lives. In fact many people actively seek parent-figures in all walks of their life who will provide this control. When seek the advice of experts and obey those in authority, we are depending on them for our sense of control.

Control is embedded in much of what we do

Look around and watch what people do. A significant portion of our everyday activity is related to achieving our much-needed sense of control.

Rituals, for example, are everywhere. Why do we have them? They exist to reassure people everything is as it was and to provide a familiar framework for our daily lives.

Social norms and values tell us what to do, what is right and wrong, what is good and bad. When everyone in the group follows the rules, we feel a sense of control.
vss

Hollywood, FL

#175 Jun 30, 2013
Power and trust

The sense of control is closely related in opposite ways to power and trust. You can get a sense of control by taking control and acting, which is effectively using power. You can also get a sense of control by ceding it to others, which requires trust.

Trust and control support one another. Not only does trust cede control, but the need for a sense of control drives us to seek trust, otherwise we implement trust substitutes, such as monitoring or barriers.

Control and risk

If we have control then we risk less. Threats can be avoided or handled. This has significant evolutionary benefit as it leads to a better chance of survival.

We trust more and risk less when we have control. In this way powerful people will trust more easily. This Vulnerable people have more to lose as the threat to them is greater.

Pain and control

People who have a higher sense of control tend to feel pain less intensely. This is probably because a person who feels they are not in control also feels vulnerable to attack and starts to imagine being hurt and so feels some psychologically created pain. When real pain appears they simply feel worse.

Locus of control

There is a principle of locus of control whereby we tend to attribute control in our lives either internally (I have control) or externally (others control my life). People with an internal locus of control are more proactive and self-motivated. External attribution leads more to passivity and belief in fate or luck.

Harmony and control

A loss of the comfortable state of harmony that we seek has been defined as shift towards either chaos or rigidity (Siegel 2008). When we become more rigid, we control more. When we become more chaotic, we control less. Harmony and integration can hence be understood as a balance of control.

The control trap

There is a trap into which many sales people and other would-be persuaders fall. This pitfall is to try to hold tightly to the reins of control throughout the whole process.

Grabbing control causes resistance

When I grab control of the conversation, talking past the point when you want to reply, you will get increasingly frustrated as you wait for a pause in which you can respond.

Sales people do this when they insist on going through the whole sales pitch even when the customer just wants to pay, take the product and leave.

Parents do it when they over-do the lectures to their children. A point which is initially accepted is later rejected at what gets seen as unfair punishment.

Taking direct control of a conversation or situation does not persuade. It is possible that you get temporary compliance, but you will not get true persuasion.

Fishing is a delicate game

The control game is much like fly fishing. Pull to hard and the fish will slip the hook. Let it out too far and the line will snag or the fish will swim away.

It is only through a sometimes-long process
vss

Hollywood, FL

#176 Jun 30, 2013
It is only through a sometimes-long process of give and take, you steadily reel in your fish.

So what?

So manage the other person's sense of control by changing those things that make them certain, able to understand and predict the things around them. This can be done by making things uncertain and inconsistent.

Giving control to get control

Giving up control gets control in two ways. First, by choosing when, where and how you give control, you still have hold of the reins. You have defined the cage in which the other person can play. Secondly, having allowed them to exercise control, you can evoke the reciprocity principle, such that the other person will willingly give up control of the conversation to redress the social balance.

As someone said long ago,'Give, in order that ye shall receive'.

Give them choice

When people exercise choice, they are controlling their environment. So give them a choice, ensuring that whatever they choose gives you an advantage.

One of the most common sales closes is the alternative close, where you assume the other person is ready to buy, and give them a simple choice ('Do you want the red one or the yellow one.').

Don't give them too much choice, because this makes the decision harder and can thus lead to a reduced sense of control. Because we make our easiest decisions by contrasting two things at one time, the best number of options to give is two.

Open questions

Closed questions do not give control. In fact they can seem very controlling. Open questions give people the floor, letting them talk. This can be a scary step and can indeed lose all control.

But you are the person who asked the question, so choose the question well to contain their response and possibly even give you information.

Just having them talk is itself a great persuader. When people talk about something themselves, they are far more likely to believe in it than if they just sit back and listen to you.

Give them something to do

The corollary of questioning is to give them something active to do. Just like when they are talking, actively doing something, especially when they have choice, gives a sense of control.

As with questioning, when you are directing the action, you are still in overall control.

Reflecting

People often keep talking because they are not sure that you have really understood what they have said.

When you reflect back to people what they have told you, you show them that you have heard, that they have been successful, that they have controlled their environment. This will speed the point at which they will give you back the talking stick.

Since: Apr 13

Chicago, IL

#177 Jun 30, 2013
What a jack a**.
Fred told his symptoms way back on this forum when I asked him.
With a lot of Fred's guidance, I am doing better. Recovering.
Fred, I ordered some pinella along with the banderol and chanca piedra. What are your thoughts on the pinella?
anon

Chula Vista, CA

#178 Jul 1, 2013
anyone can create a screen name and city of origin from anywhere. I have done it, it has nothing to with "proxy servers"

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#179 Jul 1, 2013
See?

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#180 Jul 1, 2013
vss wrote:
No, this is not so much about how to control people as about their needs for control. The real secret is the deep, deep need that people have for a sense of control. By managing their sense of control, you can achieve far greater actual control. If you ignore this, you will soon fall into a power battle for control of the conversation and the agenda.
Control is a deep, deep need
Perhaps the deepest need people have is for control. When we feel out of control, we experience a powerful and uncomfortable tension between the need for control and the evidence of inadequate control.
One of the most disturbing things about having a terminal illness, as those who unfortunately suffer from such afflictions will tell you, is the feeling of powerlessness, of being unable to do anything about it. Being unable to control the illness can be even more painful than impending death.
From an evolutionary standpoint, if we are in control of our environment, then we have a far better chance of survival. Our deep subconscious mind thus gives us strong biochemical prods when we face some kind of danger (see Fight-or-Flight reaction).
Other needs that lead to a sense of control include:

A sense of certainty.

Completion of outstanding things, so we don't have to worry about them..

Understanding of how things work.

Being able to predict what will happen.

That people (including ourselves) and things are consistent.
Everyone is insecure to some extent. But people who are grossly insecure, which is usually a personality disorder due to being demeaned and one's self-esteem constantly undermined by parental figures during childhoood, have to constantly knock others down to make themselves feel bigger. When the people they are attempting to knock down fight back or defend themselves, the insecure person will turn the tables and view themselves as the victim. Grossly insecure people also try to control everything in their world, including the people they come into contact with. Insecurity results in that person constantly trying to prove TO THEMSELF that they are superior, and will unendingly force their points on everyone around them and demean, invalidate and criticise anyone who challenges their perceptions. There is no countering this psychology, standing up to or defending one's self is futile, since the grossly insecure person is in capable of allowing anyone else's viewpoint to have any value, because in their twisted way of thinking, that somehow makes them less of a person. No one is allowed to have value but them, and there is no penetrating this armor.
vss

Hollywood, FL

#183 Jul 6, 2013
Come on Missy Denver. You know you want to...

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#184 Jul 8, 2013
Kentucky789 wrote:
What a jack a**.
Fred told his symptoms way back on this forum when I asked him.
With a lot of Fred's guidance, I am doing better. Recovering.
Fred has alienated most of the people on this board with his behavior. I agree with almost all his recommendations - if you have lyme disease. I'm a huge proponent on alt medicine and dietary changes... and I've said that his information is good many times. However Fred has chosen to diagnose me without ever laying eyes on me, say I'm a liar, call me names, and that I stole his information and presented it as my own. None of that is logical, reasonable or valuable here on this forum.
It's good that you're getting better, and I hope you continue, but Fred has been incredibly harmful to many people here, and his hijacking of threads and bizarre accusations win him no friends. Don't be surprised that people can't stand Fred.
quizical

Golden, CO

#185 Jul 9, 2013
The Hungry Ghosts wrote:
<quoted text>
Fred has alienated most of the people on this board with his behavior. I agree with almost all his recommendations - if you have lyme disease. I'm a huge proponent on alt medicine and dietary changes... and I've said that his information is good many times. However Fred has chosen to diagnose me without ever laying eyes on me, say I'm a liar, call me names, and that I stole his information and presented it as my own. None of that is logical, reasonable or valuable here on this forum.
It's good that you're getting better, and I hope you continue, but Fred has been incredibly harmful to many people here, and his hijacking of threads and bizarre accusations win him no friends. Don't be surprised that people can't stand Fred.
I tried to explain the flaws in your thinking many times and now you are twisting the truth because you finally figured out i was right. You jumped at any chance to give guidance to people with your half baked treatments and baloney theories. Now you change your attitude toward my info but come on here to drag me down in another way. There are a lot of trolls on this forum and those were your supporters trolls and people who can't figure out that your desire to be the smarty pants here was your motivation.

"I'm a huge proponent on alt medicine and dietary changes... and I've said that his information is good many times."

So you think you are somehow qualified to judge my info now that you marginally understand it, Hah!

Every time I asked you to substantiate some of your unfounded assertions
you never did you always changed the subject. You are as deceptive as any troll in this place.

I know your not cured yet.
FRED

Golden, CO

#187 Jul 9, 2013
Bartonella;

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content...

"Immunodeficient patients are at risk for bacillary angiomatosis, which manifests as cutaneous angiogenic lesions. These lesions consist of vascular proliferation composed of endothelial cells and a mixed inflammatory cell infiltrate."

cutaneous; "Of, relating to, or affecting the skin"

Angiogenesis is the physiological process through which new blood vessels form from pre-existing vessels.
FRED

Golden, CO

#188 Jul 9, 2013
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16293997

"Detection of Bartonella species from ticks, mites and small mammals in Korea."

http://www.publichealthalert.org/Articles/jam...

*Four Bartonella species have been found in dust mites

*Flea bites

*Flea feces-- Bartonella live at least nine days in this substance. If it touches a human mouth, nose, or eye, Bartonella can infect a person

*Cats and dogs can carry this infection in their paws and saliva, and scratch, lick or bite you
*Lice-- such as forms found in schools or dirty areas

*Ticks-- in some tick research areas, in which Lyme disease exists in high concentrations, surprisingly, Bartonella is sometimes even more common then Lyme disease.

*Flies-- some carry this infection and pass it on to mammals. I suspect as laboratory science improves, we will find this infection in more flies in coming years
FRED

Golden, CO

#189 Jul 9, 2013
http://cdn.intechopen.com/pdfs/32488/InTech-B...

"However, hematophagous arthropods,
such as fleas, flies, lice, mites, and ticks,have been found naturally infected and arefrequently implicated in transmitting Bartonella species"

Bartonella is an infection of the red blood cells an requires increased cell respiration to treat. To do this you can use an ionic oxygen formula or trace minerals. combined with Usnea tincture, Huyttunia Cordata and Allicin. Treat for a year, simultaneously treat for other infections like babesia and borrielia.

Bartonella shuts down the immune system and this is why after being infected with mites people become very immunocompromised and show progressive infection symptoms of viral, fungal, bacterial, protozoan and parasitic organisms.

If you don't treat for bartonella this will be your life.
fiaff

Hollywood, FL

#190 Jul 9, 2013
FRED wrote:
http://cdn.intechopen.com/pdfs /32488/InTech-Bartonella_infec tions_in_rodents_and_bats_in_t ropics.pdf
"However, hematophagous arthropods,
such as fleas, flies, lice, mites, and ticks,have been found naturally infected and arefrequently implicated in transmitting Bartonella species"
Bartonella is an infection of the red blood cells an requires increased cell respiration to treat. To do this you can use an ionic oxygen formula or trace minerals. combined with Usnea tincture, Huyttunia Cordata and Allicin. Treat for a year, simultaneously treat for other infections like babesia and borrielia.
Bartonella shuts down the immune system and this is why after being infected with mites people become very immunocompromised and show progressive infection symptoms of viral, fungal, bacterial, protozoan and parasitic organisms.
If you don't treat for bartonella this will be your life.
Fred Denver,
Bartonella is treated with antibiotics, not herbs and these are prescribed by a doctor, not some nut job on the net named Fred.
fiaff

Hollywood, FL

#191 Jul 9, 2013
quizical wrote:
<quoted text>
I tried to explain the flaws in your thinking many times and now you are twisting the truth because you finally figured out i was right. You jumped at any chance to give guidance to people with your half baked treatments and baloney theories. Now you change your attitude toward my info but come on here to drag me down in another way. There are a lot of trolls on this forum and those were your supporters trolls and people who can't figure out that your desire to be the smarty pants here was your motivation.
"I'm a huge proponent on alt medicine and dietary changes... and I've said that his information is good many times."
So you think you are somehow qualified to judge my info now that you marginally understand it, Hah!
Every time I asked you to substantiate some of your unfounded assertions
you never did you always changed the subject. You are as deceptive as any troll in this place.
I know your not cured yet.
Wow, you are such a control freak. What is your problem? Take a chill pill Fred Denver.
Do you know what fiaff stands for?
FRED

Golden, CO

#192 Jul 9, 2013
fiaff wrote:
<quoted text>
Fred Denver,
Bartonella is treated with antibiotics, not herbs and these are prescribed by a doctor, not some nut job on the net named Fred.
Since you just googled that because you probably never heard of Bartonella before and don't even understand the implications of what you have, instead you're just compelled to shoot off your stupid pie hole, I would like you to show me the studies where the antibiotics actually work and how they even test for it. Levaquin and Rifampin are normally used but very often the patient ends up bed ridden and the treatment is Always long term ineffective.
But this is way too complex for you, you don't understand bartonella at all but I will tell you it is directly responsible for your psychiatric issues. You know you will be crazy for the rest of your life meaning you will never have peace.

You never post anything in depth because you don't get past reading the back of the cereal box.

Better stick to something you understand like your meaningless laundry tips. Go put some more plastic on your car seats for those imaginary scabies you have.

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