Morgellons and Lyme from mite infections
FRED

Golden, CO

#150 Jun 29, 2013
Biomed you shouldn't use anything synthetic. I covered most of the ground you have and a lot more and this is one on my philosophical points.

The reason that pharmaceuticals are identified as toxins in the body is that they are synthetic chemical isolates. They are not naturally occurring substances in the body or any organism. All organisms are essentially made of the same building blocks or molecular structures, just rearranged to make a person, a wolf or a rose. The medicinal ingredients in the herbs work against these pathogens because they are the plant’s natural defense systems against the same types of pathogens. In the rain forest where it is warm and moist that is a good environment for these types of pathogens to grow. Not all medicinal plant tinctures come from the rainforest, some of them are made from the roots of the plant. The root is in the soil where pathogens also thrive. That's why these plants have these kinds of defense systems. Plants have natural defense systems that are extremely sophisticated and complex and science doesn’t have the capacity to understand all the intricacies of their function. Medicinal plants can have 4,000 to 5,000 different phytochemicals inside each plant to produce complex synergy. These phytochemicals naturally occur in an organism and the historically used medicinal plants are compatible with organisms like Lyme patients. Synthetic chemical isolates do not occur in nature and cause a burden to the body because they are toxins. This is also why medicinal plants have few or no side effects. The herx is not a side effect it is the result of endotoxins released causing an acute inflammatory response.

The tinctures are organic and will be easily metabolized and processed in your body. Synthetic ABX toxins or chemical toxins can stay in the fat cells for life if not properly detoxed.
FRED

Golden, CO

#151 Jun 29, 2013
In other words, western medicine is fundamentally flawed.
FRED

Golden, CO

#152 Jun 29, 2013
Biomed;
When i started to understand that the pathogens work as a team in complex ways and that results in the virulent nature of the infection via their synergy then I came to the conclusion i needed something very powerful to beat them. This protocol uses their own strategies against them but in a more powerful way. This link is on herbal synergy but I have expanded the philosophy to the whole protocol. It's all connected.

http://anh-europe.org/files/Michael_McIntyre_...
FRED

Golden, CO

#153 Jun 29, 2013
Kentucky789 wrote:
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Ok
I appreciate the update.
Btw, how did you make the connection with serrapeptase?
I read some stuff about people having connective tissue problems with serra and lumbri. Serra is made by silkworms so they can dissolve stuff and dirt, but it is synthetic as produced now, when you read the serra bottle it says it was "isolated", that means its not natural because they don't go on a worm roundup, it's a synthetic so it's missing it's co-components. Bromelain comes from real pineapples and it's the pineapples defense system against bugs, it melts them.

I would wait until you have been doing the full protocol for 3 weeks to a month to introduce the concentrace trace minerals (w/ magnesium) or you'll just start herxing too much .Get a lot of it outa the way first.

http://www.traceminerals.com/products/liquid-...
Biomed

San Antonio, TX

#154 Jun 29, 2013
FRED wrote:
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I don't like the idea of eating burnt wood/ charcoal. Psyllium husk is a better choice. The smoothie is strategic. Parsley and cilantro are great chelaters and niacin dilates blood vessels, the bromelain is the most concentrated form of naturally occurring protease enzyme from pineaple cores and is biocidal,the honey is also biocidal. Bromelain is more effective than serrapeptase and half the price.
To ease your herx Burdock root is helpful, if you google it you'll find it binds toxins and cleans the blood.
If you read the thread you'll see I recommend taking lecithin, taurine, an omega 3 fish oil and using a probiotic rectally. These things all support cell health, liver function, detox pathways and immunity. if you don't do these things then it's more than likely you'll reabsorb a lot of the endotoxins created in the die off. The psyllium binds to toxins and removes them too. Considering all the infections I had my herx was actually very mild compared to many accounts I've read. You have to return your body's ability to detox or you are in for trouble.
If you read the thread you'll find that there are 3 components. The pathogens work together in synergy and symbiosis. The biofilm is their headquarters that emits chemical signaling and that facilitates gene expression which results in pleomorphic forms. You have to attack all the forms at the same time with pharmacodynamic synergy and pharmacokenetic synergy. If you piecemeal this protocol it won't work. Everything in it has a specific reason, there are a lot of herbs to take advantage of that synergy but the doses are low so they last.
I went through the whole thing and now I'm well and strong, finally. Read the thread it has some strategic principles I haven't seen anywhere and that worked great for me considering I was infected for 7 years and only became symptomatic 2 years ago. I never had mites of any kind but the symptoms are so similar and the doctors so incompetent that I was doing my best, just like many people here. In my own case using these scabies forum toxic treatments just made my lyme disease into morgellons.
I posted the protocol before but it was removed, I'll try again, next post.
Thank you Fred. Did you ever have black specks come out of your skin? My kid set up his Eyeclops to the TV with my husband and the black specks looks like twisted black fibers under 200x mag. I am stunned to say the least.
FRED

Golden, CO

#155 Jun 29, 2013
Biomed wrote:
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Thank you Fred. Did you ever have black specks come out of your skin? My kid set up his Eyeclops to the TV with my husband and the black specks looks like twisted black fibers under 200x mag. I am stunned to say the least.
Yes it's not easy to accept that you have morgellons but there is a way out. Plus it sucks that at 60x the debris looks like just about any parasite you want it to.

If you spend some time looking on the web at Bartonella skin lesions and red track marks and also at morgellons lesions and red tracks then you'll see a similarity. I believe morgellons is a bartonella like organism that was caused by horizontal gene transfer from agrobacterium. The charles holman foundation has associated it with the borrielia spirochete but Igenx has found that in everyone. It's the pathogenic synergy that causes the borrielia to run wild in the presence of bartonella and agrobacterium. Charles holman needs to look further because i think they are just testing plasma and not the mitochondria of the erythrocytes.

look at this poor guy;

http://www.flickr.com/photos/aidjoy/392112811...

Bartonella suppresses the immune system so all the other stuff can have a holiday. This protocol introduces an artificial immune system that the bart can't suppress.

http://jcm.asm.org/content/35/9/2283.abstract...

I read so much stuff I can't remember it all but there were a few mornings I woke up and had epiphanies. Frankly now I don't care for western doctors frame of reference at all, it is very limited.

This protocol uses every strategy i could find against bart plus supports organ function at the same time, it's synergistic and holistic. It will take some time but you will be ok if you follow it's fundamentals.
FRED

Golden, CO

#156 Jun 29, 2013
Biomed wrote:
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Thank you Fred. Did you ever have black specks come out of your skin? My kid set up his Eyeclops to the TV with my husband and the black specks looks like twisted black fibers under 200x mag. I am stunned to say the least.
Yes I had tons of black specks.
FRED

Golden, CO

#157 Jun 29, 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartonellosis

" The bacteria blocks the normal immune response by suppressing the NF-&#954;B apoptosis pathway"

This has run wild partly because our food supply has become so deficient in trace minerals needed to support immune function. You can even eat organic raw but the farm land is depleted from overfarming so the crop is too.
Biomed

San Antonio, TX

#158 Jun 29, 2013
I originally thought that the scabies was a vector for lyme because of this:

Quantitative Analysis of Proliferation and Excretion of Bartonella quintana in Body Lice, Pediculus humanus L.
EXCERPT:
B. quintana started proliferation in body lice 4 days after ingestion and was constantly excreted in the feces for at least 3 weeks. The number of bacteria in feces reached the maximum 107/louse per day on Day 15. The doubling time of B. quintana estimated from logistic regression formula was 21.3 hours.

Now, it looks like we treat for lyme that we got from scabies/lice to counter transgenetic spirochetes which produce fibers (aka - tiny black specks).

Thanks for being my guide to this. Right now I'am in shock from seeing the scope and black fibers. I need a drink (or two). I certainly appreciate any further suggestions/reading materials/site recommendations/literature - Do I have to maintain the daily washings and cleaning of the house, are there any other protocols environmental, physical etc... that you found helpful? I just want my little kid to be okay as the scratching and fibers seem to be relentless.
vss

Hollywood, FL

#159 Jun 29, 2013
FRED wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't like the idea of eating burnt wood/ charcoal. Psyllium husk is a better choice. The smoothie is strategic. Parsley and cilantro are great chelaters and niacin dilates blood vessels, the bromelain is the most concentrated form of naturally occurring protease enzyme from pineaple cores and is biocidal,the honey is also biocidal. Bromelain is more effective than serrapeptase and half the price.
To ease your herx Burdock root is helpful, if you google it you'll find it binds toxins and cleans the blood.
If you read the thread you'll see I recommend taking lecithin, taurine, an omega 3 fish oil and using a probiotic rectally. These things all support cell health, liver function, detox pathways and immunity. if you don't do these things then it's more than likely you'll reabsorb a lot of the endotoxins created in the die off. The psyllium binds to toxins and removes them too. Considering all the infections I had my herx was actually very mild compared to many accounts I've read. You have to return your body's ability to detox or you are in for trouble.
If you read the thread you'll find that there are 3 components. The pathogens work together in synergy and symbiosis. The biofilm is their headquarters that emits chemical signaling and that facilitates gene expression which results in pleomorphic forms. You have to attack all the forms at the same time with pharmacodynamic synergy and pharmacokenetic synergy. If you piecemeal this protocol it won't work. Everything in it has a specific reason, there are a lot of herbs to take advantage of that synergy but the doses are low so they last.
I went through the whole thing and now I'm well and strong, finally. Read the thread it has some strategic principles I haven't seen anywhere and that worked great for me considering I was infected for 7 years and only became symptomatic 2 years ago. I never had mites of any kind but the symptoms are so similar and the doctors so incompetent that I was doing my best, just like many people here. In my own case using these scabies forum toxic treatments just made my lyme disease into morgellons.
I posted the protocol before but it was removed, I'll try again, next post.
I knew it, ALL ALONG YOU NEVER HAD SCABIES. I knew this and you would never admit to it. OMG!! Two years on this forum, and you never once told us this. What a liar, you are, Fred. OMG!!
vss

Hollywood, FL

#160 Jun 29, 2013
Biomed wrote:
I originally thought that the scabies was a vector for lyme because of this:
Quantitative Analysis of Proliferation and Excretion of Bartonella quintana in Body Lice, Pediculus humanus L.
EXCERPT:
B. quintana started proliferation in body lice 4 days after ingestion and was constantly excreted in the feces for at least 3 weeks. The number of bacteria in feces reached the maximum 107/louse per day on Day 15. The doubling time of B. quintana estimated from logistic regression formula was 21.3 hours.
Now, it looks like we treat for lyme that we got from scabies/lice to counter transgenetic spirochetes which produce fibers (aka - tiny black specks).
Thanks for being my guide to this. Right now I'am in shock from seeing the scope and black fibers. I need a drink (or two). I certainly appreciate any further suggestions/reading materials/site recommendations/literature - Do I have to maintain the daily washings and cleaning of the house, are there any other protocols environmental, physical etc... that you found helpful? I just want my little kid to be okay as the scratching and fibers seem to be relentless.
Hold on, you are asking FRED?? If you should be washing? He has NOT A CLUE. He never had scabies... You don't have the same thing he has/had...
Biomed

San Antonio, TX

#161 Jun 29, 2013
vss wrote:
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Hold on, you are asking FRED?? If you should be washing? He has NOT A CLUE. He never had scabies... You don't have the same thing he has/had...
Hi VSS,

This scabies thing has been a nightmare for my kiddo and family. I have washed everything, bleached just about every floor, bought a steam cleaner to steam all our belongings, sealed clothes,used Lysol and alcohol on shoes, used swifter with Lysol on walls, cedarcide with a fumigator, new matresses w/sealed covers etc.... Used scripted Permethrin twice, bought some Eurax from Amazon (just do the search and you can get the lotion or cream) and applied that to try to stop the itch etc... and my kid keeps itching and then there are all these black speck things that keep coming out of his skin. At this point in time, my last resort was to use iver. I have been worried about the black specks; at first I thought it was feces from the scabies, but tonight the kiddo's eyeclops showed freaky fibers. I originally came here to see if anyone else was experiencing this werid black speck thing and thought maybe it was lyme or scabies feces and wanted to see how others treated a co-infection. Right now I feel so drained from trying to figure out what is going on w/ my kid. But what the hell, what Fred is recommending doesn't seem that bad and after spending thousands of dollars in my anti-scabies campaign I am willing to keep an open mind about this and try to alleviate my kids symptoms. If you have any suggestions please help me, I am one tired mommy. Oh, and I have tried the cloves at 15% from the Australian study and a whole host of natural products, right now I feel defeated. Take care VSS
vss

Hollywood, FL

#162 Jun 29, 2013
Biomed wrote:
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Hi VSS,
This scabies thing has been a nightmare for my kiddo and family. I have washed everything, bleached just about every floor, bought a steam cleaner to steam all our belongings, sealed clothes,used Lysol and alcohol on shoes, used swifter with Lysol on walls, cedarcide with a fumigator, new matresses w/sealed covers etc.... Used scripted Permethrin twice, bought some Eurax from Amazon (just do the search and you can get the lotion or cream) and applied that to try to stop the itch etc... and my kid keeps itching and then there are all these black speck things that keep coming out of his skin. At this point in time, my last resort was to use iver. I have been worried about the black specks; at first I thought it was feces from the scabies, but tonight the kiddo's eyeclops showed freaky fibers. I originally came here to see if anyone else was experiencing this werid black speck thing and thought maybe it was lyme or scabies feces and wanted to see how others treated a co-infection. Right now I feel so drained from trying to figure out what is going on w/ my kid. But what the hell, what Fred is recommending doesn't seem that bad and after spending thousands of dollars in my anti-scabies campaign I am willing to keep an open mind about this and try to alleviate my kids symptoms. If you have any suggestions please help me, I am one tired mommy. Oh, and I have tried the cloves at 15% from the Australian study and a whole host of natural products, right now I feel defeated. Take care VSS
I thought I read that you kid got this like two weeks ago coming home from camp??? If you just got this, then how on earth have you had time to even do all the things you state here??? Excuse me for saying this, but there is a troll situation going on with this forum since way long time ago... So, if you haven't tried ivermectin for your scabies and for your son, then I suggest that you research this med and think about it. First and foremost, you must have a diagnosis on your child by a board certified pediatrician and then go from there. This is a child. Look up some things on this forum. There is a search engine. What Fred is suggesting, and may I might add that Fred is 56 years old, and has probably been treating his body poorly for the last 56 years, and he probably needed to clean up. You on the other hand, have a child who probably has scabies. There have been PLENTY of people on this forum who have had black specs coming out of their body, and they treated themselves for SCABIES, were cured, and moved on. Some of them it took longer. Some were cured quickly. Fred just stated that he NEVER EVEN HAD SCABIES, and he/she has been posting continously for over 24 months now on this forum. May I suggest to anyone here, that if you have scabies, treat for scabies, and leave all of Fred's stuff for later.

My suggestion about washing.

Cover your bedding with thick plastic shower curtains, not those cheap bed covers and spray it and wipe it down every night. Yes, continuing washing bedding and clothes. ROTATE your bedding and clothes never using the same thing but once every 10 days. You will have to purchase more cheap bedding and clothes. ROTATE everything.

Good luck.

Just want to say that this is Fred's thread. Her baby. And if you need help with scabies, Fred HAS NOT A CLUE. He/she/it NEVER EVEN HAD SCABIES.... But, of course, he is the EXPERT IN EVERTHING AND NO ONE CAN SAY JACK TO HIM, AS HE THINKS HE IS GOD.
Biomed

San Antonio, TX

#163 Jun 29, 2013
vss wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought I read that you kid got this like two weeks ago coming home from camp??? If you just got this, then how on earth have you had time to even do all the things you state here??? Excuse me for saying this, but there is a troll situation going on with this forum since way long time ago... So, if you haven't tried ivermectin for your scabies and for your son, then I suggest that you research this med and think about it. First and foremost, you must have a diagnosis on your child by a board certified pediatrician and then go from there. This is a child. Look up some things on this forum. There is a search engine. What Fred is suggesting, and may I might add that Fred is 56 years old, and has probably been treating his body poorly for the last 56 years, and he probably needed to clean up. You on the other hand, have a child who probably has scabies. There have been PLENTY of people on this forum who have had black specs coming out of their body, and they treated themselves for SCABIES, were cured, and moved on. Some of them it took longer. Some were cured quickly. Fred just stated that he NEVER EVEN HAD SCABIES, and he/she has been posting continously for over 24 months now on this forum. May I suggest to anyone here, that if you have scabies, treat for scabies, and leave all of Fred's stuff for later.
My suggestion about washing.
Cover your bedding with thick plastic shower curtains, not those cheap bed covers and spray it and wipe it down every night. Yes, continuing washing bedding and clothes. ROTATE your bedding and clothes never using the same thing but once every 10 days. You will have to purchase more cheap bedding and clothes. ROTATE everything.
Good luck.
Just want to say that this is Fred's thread. Her baby. And if you need help with scabies, Fred HAS NOT A CLUE. He/she/it NEVER EVEN HAD SCABIES.... But, of course, he is the EXPERT IN EVERTHING AND NO ONE CAN SAY JACK TO HIM, AS HE THINKS HE IS GOD.
Thank you so very much VSS,

When we picked up my kiddo from camp two weeks ago I noticed that he was scratching and he had track marks all over his legs and red bumps. At first I thought it was some type of eczema or a rash from some plant (oak or ivy)- our next stop was the doc's office as a walk in. Diagnosed w/scabies went to Wal-Mart got the perm for the whole family and a handout. My husband was already well versed in scabies as he defended nursing homes and caught it before we were married. That day was when we started the massive cleaning campaign and at nights I could not sleep because of the constant itching and all I do now is research on what to do to kill this plague while I wait for the next load of laundry. We have also had to stay at a hotel because of the fumigation and I was thinking about purchasing an ozone generator to treat the house. I have ordered just about everything I could get my hands on to treat this thing (thank god for Amazon and two day mail)and read studies on natural miticides and ovicides. I have not slept well these past weeks. The Eurax came in a couple days ago and I have been trying to relieve my kiddo's itching - I pray that something works. The black specks thing that we kept finding was freaking me out really bad. Thank you for your words of encouragement and advice - I sincerely appreciate your support in this as sometimes I feel it is so hard to stay strong when your kid's health is at stake.

Take care and thanks again for the tips!!!

Since: May 12

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#164 Jun 30, 2013
vss wrote:
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I knew it, ALL ALONG YOU NEVER HAD SCABIES. I knew this and you would never admit to it. OMG!! Two years on this forum, and you never once told us this. What a liar, you are, Fred. OMG!!
I only figured that out recently, of course you like to twist the truth as you always do. You are the most bipolar lying psychotic person ever to come to this forum. To top that off you are very uninformed and dumb as a board.

BTW you don't have mites you psycho.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#165 Jun 30, 2013
VSS has done every over the top treatment on this forum for two years, nothing could survive that. She is the true Troll here because she constantly spreads lies and wants to be an authority but doesn't have the mental capacity of a rock.
vss

Hollywood, FL

#166 Jun 30, 2013
lotus_fan wrote:
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I only figured that out recently, of course you like to twist the truth as you always do. You are the most bipolar lying psychotic person ever to come to this forum. To top that off you are very uninformed and dumb as a board.
BTW you don't have mites you psycho.
You only figured that out recently, board?
vss

Hollywood, FL

#167 Jun 30, 2013
lotus_fan wrote:
VSS has done every over the top treatment on this forum for two years, nothing could survive that. She is the true Troll here because she constantly spreads lies and wants to be an authority but doesn't have the mental capacity of a rock.
You were the one who was using advantix when you didn't even have mites, board.
vss

Hollywood, FL

#168 Jun 30, 2013
I don't mean to make you this angry, internet addict. I just have to point out that you can't control a forum, even though you want to. There will always be someone like me to call you out.

No mites for 24 months and you tried to control this forum for 24 months AND COUNTING and you never had scabies.

I LOVE IT.
FRED

Golden, CO

#169 Jun 30, 2013
vss wrote:
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You only figured that out recently, board?
At least I figured it out and after two years you just said you are still very infected, you haven't made any progress at all miss smarty pants. You don't have mites and you can't figure that out because of your mental disorder. You post stuff that all known science disagrees with because your too busy being on a drinking binge to read anything but you still want to be the boss of this forum with your 5th grade education.

You also are a prolific liar and manipulator.

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