Morgellons and Lyme from mite infections
VSS

Hollywood, FL

#124 Jun 19, 2013
So, are you saying you are taking rat poison as a daily maintenance, then?

Where can I buy this rat poison?

What's the matter, Fred? Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed today?
FRED

Golden, CO

#125 Jun 19, 2013
http://faculty.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/faculty/bbc...

If you look over the above pdf. domestic cats on the east coast of the USA tested 52% positive for bartonella.
FRED

Golden, CO

#126 Jun 20, 2013
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2646031

"Borrelia burgdorferi was found so far in 30 species of Arthropoda, 13 species of mites (Acarina), 15 species of flies(Diptera), two species of fleas (Siphonaptera)."
VSS

Hollywood, FL

#127 Jun 20, 2013
FRED wrote:
http://faculty.vetmed.ucdavis. edu/faculty/bbchomel/WHO_Zoono ses/PDF/bartonellalecture.pdf
If you look over the above pdf. domestic cats on the east coast of the USA tested 52% positive for bartonella.
Sure thing, Freddie. Roger that. And if you look above, this is a scabies forum. Just thought that I would point that out to you. What percentage of the people coming here have bart? About .5%.. or less. You on the other hand, have a 95% retard factor.
FRED

Golden, CO

#129 Jun 27, 2013
Biofilms are like their little cities. They change into different forms like the cyst form to avoid treatment and they do that because of chemical signaling that the biofilms put out. The biofilms can do that because they have the numbers to create a chemical signal in the blood stream. That chemical signal controls their gene expression and that controls what they become. They have some complex survival tools .

Some sites I go to I see people posting that they had Lyme, Bart, Babs, EBV etc, etc.. That is the biggest misconception is that people have a collection of separate infections. They don't, what they do have is a collection of separate infections that some of they know and more they don't know that all work together as a team. You have to defeat them as a team first and you have to bring the Superbowl winning team to do it. After that it's easy to pick off the remnants.

Doctors who treat for one thing at a time have a fundamentally flawed philosophy because the transfer of DNA readily creates a scenario of rebirth of a similar pathogen when treatment is shifted.

You can't do this well with antibiotics because that is putting a lot of poison in your system. You need something that is compatible with organisms, that is organic, that also has multiple mechanisms of action against the pathogens.

Here is an example of pathogenic synergy, it describes how a parasite and virus work in pathogenic synergy to become more virulent.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.13...

The same thing is happening in Lyme or Multiple infection syndrome so you need long term treatment that is compatible with an organism.

Since: Apr 13

Chicago, IL

#130 Jun 27, 2013
FRED wrote:
Biofilms are like their little cities. They change into different forms like the cyst form to avoid treatment and they do that because of chemical signaling that the biofilms put out. The biofilms can do that because they have the numbers to create a chemical signal in the blood stream. That chemical signal controls their gene expression and that controls what they become. They have some complex survival tools .
Some sites I go to I see people posting that they had Lyme, Bart, Babs, EBV etc, etc.. That is the biggest misconception is that people have a collection of separate infections. They don't, what they do have is a collection of separate infections that some of they know and more they don't know that all work together as a team. You have to defeat them as a team first and you have to bring the Superbowl winning team to do it. After that it's easy to pick off the remnants.
Doctors who treat for one thing at a time have a fundamentally flawed philosophy because the transfer of DNA readily creates a scenario of rebirth of a similar pathogen when treatment is shifted.
You can't do this well with antibiotics because that is putting a lot of poison in your system. You need something that is compatible with organisms, that is organic, that also has multiple mechanisms of action against the pathogens.
Here is an example of pathogenic synergy, it describes how a parasite and virus work in pathogenic synergy to become more virulent.
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.13...
The same thing is happening in Lyme or Multiple infection syndrome so you need long term treatment that is compatible with an organism.
So are you saying keep the cinnamon and rotate the quina, samento, and banderol ?
FRED

Golden, CO

#131 Jun 27, 2013
Kentucky789 wrote:
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So are you saying keep the cinnamon and rotate the quina, samento, and banderol ?
Keep everything, you don't rotate anything. The protocol gets it's power from pharmacodynamic and pharmacokenetic synergy. Rotating is only done in cases where someone is synthetic antibiotics because those are synthetic chemical isolates or simple molecules and it is easy for the pathogens to build up resistance to them.

You have to be doing the smoothie too and the detox support. You should be doing 14 herbs altogether.

I'll PM you the protocol , I posted it here but it was removed.
vss

Hollywood, FL

#136 Jun 28, 2013
FRED wrote:
Of course there is a lot more info on the net about the above topics.
I've already mentioned detox pathways in a previous post. It is important for you to eat a good diet and in this day and age it goes way beyond the 5 food groups. You don't want to eat foods that are genetically engineered that will produce pesticide inside you, you don't want to eat foods that will alter your DNA.
If you consider that there is the fluid genome relative to what genetic engineering has accomplished and how it is spread by our food chain and the animal kingdom's food chain and animal migratory habits then the potential for ever evolving pathogenic strains and species becomes clear.
The agrobacterium Ti was created to cause horizontal gene transfer in subject plants for benefit and was said not to effect other species but it effects all species, because organisms use similar DNA structures, this is a fundamental game changer in our environment.
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/agrobacteriumAndMorge...
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/FSAopenmeeting.php
"Recent Evidence Confirms Risks of Horizontal Gene Transfer"
http://hstalks.com/main/view_talk.php...
I consider Dr. Mae Wan Ho to be one of the foremost authorities in the world on genetic structure and genetic engineering.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =t9JIVU5J4TYXX
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
"A culture of cooperation"
Why you should eat an organic diet;
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
What about strawberry poptarts, can I eat them??
FRED

Golden, CO

#137 Jun 29, 2013
Kentucky789 wrote:
<quoted text>
So are you saying keep the cinnamon and rotate the quina, samento, and banderol ?
Another point. As you treat and detox to remove the endotoxins produced from the die off then the detoxing using that smoothie will strip trace minerals. The smoothie ingredients are Parsley/ Cilantro/Bromelain/Niacin/Hone y. The smoothie also opens up fat cells to strip toxins. The detoxing process also detoxes your trace minerals and this will leave you feeling washed out and weak. Your trace minerals have a lot to do with many body functions including immunity and the cellular production of ATP. ATP is essentially the bodies gasoline or energy source. An ionic trace mineral supplement will do wonders for the recovery process. There are supplements available in liquid form that aren't too expensive.
I paid $18 for a 3 month supply of a liquid ionic form that made a world of difference in my energy.

Since: Apr 13

Chicago, IL

#138 Jun 29, 2013
FRED wrote:
<quoted text>
Another point. As you treat and detox to remove the endotoxins produced from the die off then the detoxing using that smoothie will strip trace minerals. The smoothie ingredients are Parsley/ Cilantro/Bromelain/Niacin/Hone y. The smoothie also opens up fat cells to strip toxins. The detoxing process also detoxes your trace minerals and this will leave you feeling washed out and weak. Your trace minerals have a lot to do with many body functions including immunity and the cellular production of ATP. ATP is essentially the bodies gasoline or energy source. An ionic trace mineral supplement will do wonders for the recovery process. There are supplements available in liquid form that aren't too expensive.
I paid $18 for a 3 month supply of a liquid ionic form that made a world of difference in my energy.
Ok
I appreciate the update.
Btw, how did you make the connection with serrapeptase?
Biomed

San Antonio, TX

#139 Jun 29, 2013
Hi,

Been a lurker ever since my kiddo caught scabies a few weeks ago at camp. I was really interested in this protocol as the family now has residual symptoms after doing Permethrin (twice) and we now have black specks that come out of our pores. Some pathogenic bacteria produce biofilms or exudates containing protein, which in some degree help the bacteria adhere to host tissue, or in some degree physically shield the bacteria or hinder the penetration of substances such as antibiotics administered with the intent that they contact the bacteria. Accordingly, proteolytic enzymes have been tried in conjunction with antibiotics. Thus, it has been reported that Serratia E-15 protease (also known as serratiopeptidase)was effective for eradicating infection caused by biofilm-forming bacteria in an experimental animal model (which involved carrying out experimental limb surgery on rats, at the same time experimentally introducing Staphylococcus infection). The authors considered that "The antibiofilm property of the enzyme may enhance antibiotic efficacy in the treatment of staphylococcal infections.

Here is the information about biofilms and enzymes that one poster requested:

"[ We are now on Listeria monocytogenes is a notably invasive bacterium associated with life-threatening food-borne disease in humans. Several surface proteins have been shown to be essential in the adhesion of L. monocytogenes, and in the subsequent invasion of phagocytes. Because the control of the invasion of host cells by Listeria could potentially hinder its spread in the infected host, we have examined the effects of a protease treatment on the ability of L. monocytogenes to form biofilms and to invade tissues. We have chosen serratiopeptidase (SPEP), an extracellular metalloprotease produced by Serratia marcescens that is already widely used as an anti-inflammatory agent, and has been shown to modulate adhesin expression and to induce antibiotic sensitivity in other bacteria. Treatment of L. monocytogenes with sublethal concentrations of SPEP reduced their ability to form biofilms and to invade host cells.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1847988......

Microbiological testing suggested that infection persisted in only one (5.6%) of eighteen animals in the serratiopeptidase-and-antibiot ic group, whereas it was present in six (37.5%) of sixteen animals in the antibiotic-only group (p = 0.001). Histological evaluation showed similar results (kappa = 0.92). CONCLUSIONS: Serratiopeptidase was effective for eradicating infection caused by biofilm-forming bacteria in this experimental animal model. The antibiofilm property of the enzyme may enhance antibiotic efficacy in the treatment of staphylococcal infections.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1675775......

Among the different mechanisms of bacterial resistance to antimicrobial agents that have been studied, biofilm formation is one of the most widespread. This mechanism is frequently the cause of failure in the treatment of prosthetic device infections, and several attempts have been made to develop molecules and protocols that are able to inhibit biofilm-embedded bacteria. We present data suggesting the possibility that proteolytic enzymes could significantly enhance the activities of antibiotics against biofilms. Antibiotic susceptibility tests on both planktonic and sessile cultures, studies on the dynamics of colonization of 10 biofilm-forming isolates, and then bioluminescence and scanning electron microscopy under seven different experimental conditions showed that serratiopeptidase greatly enhances the activity of ofloxacin on sessile cultures and can inhibit biofilm formation.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8109925......
Biomed

San Antonio, TX

#140 Jun 29, 2013
Hello Fred,

I read your post about how you went through detox and I would like to add that what has been helpful for us in the past is the addition of Alka-Seltzer Gold to alkanize your system, also charcoal caps at least three hours away from supplements and meds helps draw the toxins out to reduce the herx.

sincerely, Biomed (just a mom trying to help her family out of this mess)
FRED

Golden, CO

#141 Jun 29, 2013
Biomed wrote:
Hello Fred,
I read your post about how you went through detox and I would like to add that what has been helpful for us in the past is the addition of Alka-Seltzer Gold to alkanize your system, also charcoal caps at least three hours away from supplements and meds helps draw the toxins out to reduce the herx.
sincerely, Biomed (just a mom trying to help her family out of this mess)
I don't like the idea of eating burnt wood/ charcoal. Psyllium husk is a better choice. The smoothie is strategic. Parsley and cilantro are great chelaters and niacin dilates blood vessels, the bromelain is the most concentrated form of naturally occurring protease enzyme from pineaple cores and is biocidal,the honey is also biocidal. Bromelain is more effective than serrapeptase and half the price.

To ease your herx Burdock root is helpful, if you google it you'll find it binds toxins and cleans the blood.

If you read the thread you'll see I recommend taking lecithin, taurine, an omega 3 fish oil and using a probiotic rectally. These things all support cell health, liver function, detox pathways and immunity. if you don't do these things then it's more than likely you'll reabsorb a lot of the endotoxins created in the die off. The psyllium binds to toxins and removes them too. Considering all the infections I had my herx was actually very mild compared to many accounts I've read. You have to return your body's ability to detox or you are in for trouble.

If you read the thread you'll find that there are 3 components. The pathogens work together in synergy and symbiosis. The biofilm is their headquarters that emits chemical signaling and that facilitates gene expression which results in pleomorphic forms. You have to attack all the forms at the same time with pharmacodynamic synergy and pharmacokenetic synergy. If you piecemeal this protocol it won't work. Everything in it has a specific reason, there are a lot of herbs to take advantage of that synergy but the doses are low so they last.

I went through the whole thing and now I'm well and strong, finally. Read the thread it has some strategic principles I haven't seen anywhere and that worked great for me considering I was infected for 7 years and only became symptomatic 2 years ago. I never had mites of any kind but the symptoms are so similar and the doctors so incompetent that I was doing my best, just like many people here. In my own case using these scabies forum toxic treatments just made my lyme disease into morgellons.

I posted the protocol before but it was removed, I'll try again, next post.
FRED

Golden, CO

#142 Jun 29, 2013
Biomed wrote:
Hello Fred,
I read your post about how you went through detox and I would like to add that what has been helpful for us in the past is the addition of Alka-Seltzer Gold to alkanize your system, also charcoal caps at least three hours away from supplements and meds helps draw the toxins out to reduce the herx.
sincerely, Biomed (just a mom trying to help her family out of this mess)
Biomed, the general belief is that if you change your ph then the infections will die. That is not true because the pathogens are constantly producing exotoxins to acidify your body. If you are healthy and keep a good ph then that is good prevention but it will never turn into any kind of cure if you have been infected for any time. Bartonella is the biggest culprit not the borrielia because bartonella is an infection of the red blood cells AND it is a gram negative aerobic bacteria so it's just as happy as a clam with 7.365 ph.

Do you know that bartonella "taught" borrielia to shed it's cell wall and become an intracellular infection through DNA transfer? Pretty cool huh?
FRED

Golden, CO

#144 Jun 29, 2013
Biomed;

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19308800

http://www.wellnessresources.com/health/artic...

"This new study indicates that bromelain dissolves the formation of these biofilms"

http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/20416444/1726543...

http://aem.asm.org/content/75/21/6850.full

If you really look at the components in the protocol then you'll see there is a high presence of anti-biofilm activity. Cinnamon has cinnamaldehyde and eugenol both of which are biofilm busters.
Biomed

San Antonio, TX

#145 Jun 29, 2013
Cinnamon is also a gst inhibitor, which makes me wonder that if you take it orally and apply topically when used in conjunction with Permethrin that it would make resistant scabies succumb to treatment.
Biomed

San Antonio, TX

#146 Jun 29, 2013
Fred,

Did you address the Krebs cycle with L-5-methyl tetrahydrofolate, NADH, ATP, b-12 caps? I am thinking that I need to do this in conjunction with your protocol to detox at the cellular level. I have genetics for my family and we all seem to have the MTHFR mutation. As an FYI - we are doing the EDTA BATHS AND they are drawing out the black specks like crazy. Sorry for any spelling mistakes - I have to cook dinner and type at the same time.
Biomed

San Antonio, TX

#147 Jun 29, 2013
Fred, This is what we are doing to get rid of the bio-film:
Step One: Lysis and Detachment of the Polysaccharide Matrix
(empty stomach, 30-60 min prior to Step 2)
-Use of specific enzymes - bought Virastop 2x and papain
-Use of a chelator that can grab hold of minerals in the Matrix. Called doctor and she issued a script for dmsa(if not implemented appropriately this may cause mineral depletion in the body - we use minerall to put back essential minerals)

Step Two: Target the Microbe
- Will use your herbals in addition to Lauricidin, lomatium, Super Artemesinin.

Step Three: Clean Up
(This is the most crucial of all the steps. DO NOT SKIP!!! Give 1-2 hrs after Step 2 if possible or at night)
-we use anything that can bind up the matrix (mucus), by products of die off, and potential metals in the gut.
Products include activated charcoal, alginate, clays, algaes, zeolites,.... we like pectin (pecta-sol) the best. Sometimes we use all of the above.

Other important factors
-Probiotics, of course (VSL#3 packets)
-Anti-inflammatory agents such as EFA's, antioxidants, curcumin...
-Healthful, non toxic foods (hormone- free, antibiotic-free, organic)

Again, thanks so very much for posting what worked for you - I know that right now the symptoms have just started, but I was hoping that an all out war would put this to an end in the early stage.
FRED

Golden, CO

#148 Jun 29, 2013
Biomed wrote:
Cinnamon is also a gst inhibitor, which makes me wonder that if you take it orally and apply topically when used in conjunction with Permethrin that it would make resistant scabies succumb to treatment.
I have a serious doubt about "resistant" scabies as purported on this website. The symptoms of other infections mimic so closely that is the source of misinformation. For scabies use chanca piedra,anamu and quina. Once that gets in your system they will either run away or die.
FRED

Golden, CO

#149 Jun 29, 2013
Biomed wrote:
Fred,
Did you address the Krebs cycle with L-5-methyl tetrahydrofolate, NADH, ATP, b-12 caps? I am thinking that I need to do this in conjunction with your protocol to detox at the cellular level. I have genetics for my family and we all seem to have the MTHFR mutation. As an FYI - we are doing the EDTA BATHS AND they are drawing out the black specks like crazy. Sorry for any spelling mistakes - I have to cook dinner and type at the same time.
To detox at the cellular level I used oxylift to increase cellular respiration, it has respiratory enzymes and ionic oxygen to got the cell respiration up. Magnesium should be used because it is important to glutathione production. EDTA is a toxin because it is synthetic amino acid and shouldn't be used. The body recognizes all synthetics as toxins.Dr Garth Nicholson swears by it BUT he hasn't cured anyone.
You're wasting your time worrying about MTHFR gene deficiency, the fluid genome is going to do what it wants to, Go on you tube and watch Dr.Mae-wan ho, the big picture, all we can do is change our bioterrain. the gen deficiency is a product of a deficient bioterrain.

For intracellular infections usnea is awesome. Here is a link. You also need huyttunia cordata.

http://www.ijabpt.com/pdf/97003-Abdur%20rauf%...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18981565

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http://www.tuberose.com/Detoxification.html

"Glutathione is Magnesium-Dependent

Glutathione protects the cells from oxidative-stress-induced apoptosis and glutathione levels are magnesium dependent! Glutathione is a very important detoxifying agent, enabling the body to get rid of undesirable toxins and pollutants. It forms a soluble compound with the toxin that can then be excreted through the urine or the gut. The liver and kidneys contain high levels of glutathione as they have the greatest exposure to toxins. The lungs are also rich in glutathione partly for the same reason. Many cancer-producing chemicals, heavy metals, drug metabolites etc. are disposed of in this way."

People say don't use magnesium because the bugs thrive on it BUT if you are full of synergistic broad spectrum anti-microbials then it is like the cheese in a rat trap, they come out of the biofilms to get it and whammy.

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