Symptom free for now. Please read the information on the thread and understand it thoroughly , it will serve you. All 3 components work together.<quoted text>
you are incorrect
Big Pharma and you have it wrong , Big Pharma can not cure cancer but cancer can be cured
i have been to the mountain - with my wife - our treatment for her lyme is somewhat different from what is listed here and it has been effective , she is symptom free
which is why i am still searching for possible future surprises for us
big pharma does not have the answer , left to their path my wife would probably be dead now - of course that is a swag , uffice it to say if still alive she would be in very poor condition , bed ridden .
i openly oppose trolls that promote big pharma their pathway leads to poverty followed by death
be design , big pharma does not seek to cure or help those who are suffering
i openly support those who pass on their knowledge acquired through pain and work
we believe that my wife had / has this
- Spirochete Borrelia miyamotoi,- Russian Lyme disease
i will follow with the treatments we have used so far
again for now she is symptom free
after 3 years of steadily worsening
Since: May 12
#102 Jun 13, 2013
#103 Jun 13, 2013
That's all fine. But, if you just take a look above, you will see this forum is for help with SCABIES, not morgellons, not lyme, not cancer. This is a scabies forum, and you wackos need to take a long hike to Lymeville/Morgellonsville, as this is a scabies forum, and people needing help with SCABIES, not any other disease. You are confusing people coming there, as not all of them have cancer, lyme, morgellons, babesia, borrelia, bacterial infections, and the list goes on. They need help with scabies and related mite infections. So, you go on and find a lyme support group, so you all can chat away about taking anti-fungals, and herbs, and antibiotics, as all of these meds do not cure SCABIES.
#104 Jun 13, 2013
It's too bad you can't make the connection. I've laid it out simply and it effects you personally. It's pretty easy to find what you have to offer in a half hour on google. However the practical application of what is actually happening to a lot of the people on this forum doesn't have much to do at all with what you bring to the table.Maybe you should post on the forum where they use earplugs and blindfolds to avoid reality.
Since: Jan 13
#105 Jun 13, 2013
You challenge anyone? Do you want to cure people, or fight them? You can't do both.
I have no doubt that the protocol you outlined for Lyme is a valid one (not the only one mind you, but effective enough to be considered).
But most people here don't have Lyme. Some have scabies. Some have springtails. Some have bird mites. Some have thrips. Some have medical conditions that make their skin crawl. Some should lay off the crystal meth.
Give people the information about "your" cure for Lyme, but don't call people names if they don't follow you and praise you as the smartest healer that ever lived. You're not always right.
Ask yourself do you really want to cure people, or do you really just want to be right all the time? You can't cure people and fight them. And you certainly won't cure anyone by insulting them.
#106 Jun 14, 2013
Oh you wouldn't stretch the truth now, would you drama queen?
#107 Jun 14, 2013
Hungry- your demeanor is a lot like "Nancy Grace" . Maybe I'll start calling you "NG".
#108 Jun 14, 2013
Or maybe "NFG" , I'll get back to you..........
#109 Jun 16, 2013
A variety of soil-related bacterial and fungal pathogens can cause a variety of human disease. Typically, the growth of these microorganisms is favored by particular soil characteristics and may involve complex life cycles including amoebae or animal hosts. As cute as your pets are you have to be aware that they typically are exposed to more of these pathogens because of their activities. A good number of these infections are zoonotic and transfer easily between humans and animals. These zoonotic infections include babesia, bartonella ehrlichia , anaplasma and many others.
#110 Jun 16, 2013
you may be correct if
the dr s were interested in healing their patients
it appears that many of those suffering from Scabies also have additional conditions which are most likely
and either mistreated or completely ignored by the
Dr s involved -
as i see it
Dr s are designed to sell drugs for big pharma
big pharma makes drugs for the Dr s to sell
big pharma does not make drugs to heal people
big pharma makes drugs to be sold by Dr s to make money for big pharma
people need information to find their own cures
their conditions vary are are unique to the individual
the individual mortals that have the condition must review all of the info available to locate their ailment so they can
acquire the correct treatment
those that cannot or will not understand this should not interfere
with those that do
Since: May 12
#111 Jun 18, 2013
Bartonella and other infectious pathogens in house dust mites.
Since: Apr 13
#112 Jun 18, 2013
I finally got going on your list
I did heavily use the serrapeptase weeks prior
To starting your protocol
-and continue with it much lighter though
I'm taking it slow. Up to only 6 drops on everything
So far. I really like that unsea . After starting up the drops I was really surprised how much more of this "stuff" was in me hiding -or dormant(?)
I have not began the Chinese herb yet but I have it.- will tomorrow
Thanks for the info
That herbalist was more interested in selling me bs like iridology and other stuff rather than your ingrediants
#114 Jun 18, 2013
Yeah the naturopaths and herbalists generally are in a time warp when it comes to curing something that wasn't a problem in the 18th century.
I don't think he probably even knew what a biofilm is, or a pleomorphic form for that matter.
#116 Jun 18, 2013
I don't want to frame it like this but this Multiple Infection Syndrome that is affecting the majority of people on the scabies forum, even the ones in denial, is harder to cure than cancer.That does not mean it can't be cured, it can but you have to go about it right. You have to understand that the biofilms are like armor plated communities for pathogenic synergy and symbiosis.Doctors have a very poor track record at doing this, exteremely poor. It is because they have a narrow view of how the body works. You have to treat the body as a whole organism with systems that depend on each other to function. That's why I designed this system to treat the whole body and treat the infections as a whole. You have to treat the infections like that because they work together as a team. You're not dealing with some dumb bugs, they have very sophisticated ways of becoming virulent through pathogenic synergy. One example is that they share DNA information so one pathogen can become resistant by what another has learned.In the case of borrielia then bartonella "taught" it to become an intracellular infection by shedding it's cell wall to become small enough to enter our cells. The spirochete wouldn't know how to do that without the genetic material.
Here is some perspective, today i read an article about a couple from Minn. who spent $100,000 on their Lyme treatment and were starting to get better but they were putting their house on the market for more funds. Expect to spend about $1000 on this protocol for the duration and you will start to feel better than you have in many years after about two months. That is because people pick up all kinds of infections during their lifetime and the body tries to suppress them, until it can't cope anymore.
I'm going to go ahead and post the Herxheimer information so you know what to expect, in the next post.
#117 Jun 18, 2013
The herx is a body reaction to toxins released from the death of a pathogen. Those types of toxins are endotoxins. While the pathogens are living inside you they produce exotoxins. An exotoxin can cause damage to the host by destroying cells or disrupting normal cellular metabolism. They are highly potent and can cause major damage to the host. They can have a localized effect like the redness of an infected wound or produce systemic effects. The exotoxins of an ongoing chronic Lyme infection, Multiple Infection Syndrome, can cause a quickly debilitating condition or be a slow drag on the bodys attempts to keep the body well.
The endotoxins are held within the pathogen and are released when the pathogen is destroyed. These are the toxins responsible for the herxheimer reaction. In holistic medicine it is sometimes called a healing crisis. If the only consideration was to kill the pathogens inside you then recovery wouldnt be as difficult. When there is a large infection load of many types combined with chemical toxins from the environment inside you then there is a need to moderate the release of these toxins so that the body will be able to process them out without becoming very sick from that release. If you want to avoid the herxheimer reaction completely then you wont be making progress in eliminating the infections. Some herxing is required to kill the infections inside you and the goal is to keep it at levels that are manageable and not detrimental to the body.
Increasing the capacity of your body to detox the endotoxins and chemical toxins, perhaps from synthetic antibiotic use, will make the process of killing the internal infections and processing those toxins out of the body more efficient and less of a healing crisis. When you are having a herxheimer reaction it can manifest in many ways depending on what you are infected with.
Since the pathogens that cause certain symptoms in a particular illness cause those symptoms because of what the pathogens carry then killing that pathogen and releasing those endotoxins will exhibit similar symptoms. This is a way to determine what type of infections you carry to some degree.
Although when using this protocol, which carries a philosophy of treating for all pathogen types, the symptoms could be so varied and wide spread that the conclusion could be that you were infected with a lot of different microbes. That was the case with me.
There were definite symptoms relating to particular infection types but also many unanticipated herxheimer symptoms that caused me to invest a good amount of time thinking about what was actually happening to me. When you consider all the pathogen types that someone is exposed to in their lifetime it could inspire you to live in a plastic bubble. Using a reduced form of this organic and non toxic protocol just for defense once you are recovered can be your plastic bubble.
The herxhiemer reaction indicates that parasites, fungus, viruses, bacteria or other pathogens are being effectively killed off. The choices available are to put up with it and make progress toward getting the infections out of your body or accept that you will remain infected and not go through the reaction.
The herxheimer reaction or acute inflammatory response typically raises human temperature, heart rate and blood pressure and particular accompanying symptoms will depend on the source of the endotoxin.
I spent approximately 6 weeks in a constant daily herx and about 3-4 more weeks in fading waves of herxing after arriving at the point when I was fully engaged in the protocol. Out of all the many numerous symptoms I had I could always attribute them the endotoxin release and never found the symptoms to be directly caused by the protocol. This was proven out because I continued steady usage and dosing and those symptoms left when the endotoxins were detoxed.
#118 Jun 18, 2013
Your personal experience with the herxheimer reaction will depend on how infected you are and how efficiently you are detoxing as well as your bodys ability to handle the discomfort because the actual infections cause tissue damage. Your progress and time frames are dependent upon those variables. The dosing recommended should be considered in the context of your own situation. Its a good thing to drink lots of water in order to flush these toxins out of your system. I did spend a few days in bed during that time but it was because the herx was an indication of effectively killing a lot of pathogens and that my body was telling me it needed to recover.
I also had some pretty good fevers and used a detox bath to break those and it always did. The recipe for the detox bath is as listed, it has been used to aid in detoxing radiation victims.
½ cup Epsom salt
½ cup Sea salt
1/3 cup of ground mustard seed.
Mix all ingredients and put into a bath that is as hot as you can safely handle. Keep two glasses of water near the tub so can stay hydrated because this will make you sweat a lot. Stay in at least 20 minutes.
I found the organic mustard seed at my local organic grocery store in bulk and just ran it through my blender until it was powder. I made up batches that would last for 5-6 baths.
I had a condition that is associated with morgellons called multiple chemical sensitivity, this is where your detox pathways are clogged and your body is so fill of toxins that it cant handle any more. Smelling the least amount of toxic substance would put my nose into a day of irritation.
The major detoxing I did also took the multiple chemical sensitivity symptoms away. When doctors talk about allergies they sometimes use the analogy that your body is like a bucket and once it is full then it overflows and you experience allergy symptoms. At one point I was talking to someone who had chronic Lyme and she told me she was allergic to the herbals. I believe this was because she was very infected and that when she tried herbal treatments it induced an almost instantaneous endotoxin release and that her detox pathways were dysfunctional so that there was a massive endotoxin release that essentially had nowhere to go. She had told me she was treating her Lyme only with nutrition and juicing so I suspect her infection level was high. Working on your ability to detox a few weeks before starting the herbal tincture part of the protocol could be beneficial for some people. The information in chapter 2 will be useful for that as well as taking sugar, coffee, alcohol and starchy foods out of your diet.
A herx symptom that I had was pain in the muscles and this lasted about a week initially and came back once or twice in less intensity. A lot of the herx symptoms repeated themselves several times if not more. My joints hurt and especially my knees. Something I noticed about my knees hurting was that it would only take a few days for them to feel better and each time they hurt again it felt like it was coming from a deeper area in the joint. Normally the borrelia infection is associated with the joints.
There were drenching night sweats where I would wake up soaked and had to change my t shirt so I could go back to sleep. This happened for about a week and then became less. I did have the same type of sweating around the back of my neck and on my head for a couple weeks but not like the initial phase where I would wake up in a puddle. This type of herxing is associated with babesia.
I also had some bacterial rashes on my chin and face after shaving, making absolutely sure I had a clean razor. This is caused by the bacterial toxins and bacterial being detoxed in that area and infections being killed in the hair follicles there.
#119 Jun 18, 2013
The best remedy I found for the bacterial rash was to scrub the area very good with a clean mild soap and rinse with warm water a few times then the irritation would leave. You dont want to use a soap that is full of perfumes or chemicals. You also dont want to use any crèmes or lotions on your skin that your body can absorb or that will clog your pores because you detox through your skin as well.
There was also some redness on both of my elbows that looked like the redness you see sometimes around a wound. As the die off was taking place in my elbows the infection debris was moving out and dissipating over about a months time until it was gone. I had the same type of occurrence on the sides of my neck.
There were a few boils that popped up near my knees on the skin that took about a month to heal and return to normal.
The burning in my feet during the herx lasted for about 6 weeks and initially was a little painful. There were also some stinging sensations there. This is associated with a bartonella infection. I came to welcome the burn because I saw it as a sign of the treatments effectiveness. I noticed often that the burn would be a little more intense about an hour or two after the dosing was complete. For the first six weeks when I was herxing constantly I also noticed that the herx symptoms in general would be strongest in the same time period. Taking the very hot detox bath also helped to temporarily relieve the herx associated foot pain.
There was a period of the herx that lasted about two weeks where I was coughing up mucous almost constantly and had to keep a spittoon with me. I made an extra point of staying hydrated during that time. This was some sort of infection that seemed to focus in the bronchial area.
During the herx I had headaches and they werent a whole head headache, they were more of a spot headache where I could fell a particular small region of the brain being cleared of infection. I also had toothaches and these were the kind of toothaches you would normally go to the dentist for but I waited and after the endotoxins from those regions were detoxed I felt fine there.
Strangely my slightly receding hairline regrew and I attribute this to infections being removed from my endocrine system. I also had some mild pain right inside my eyeballs and have worn glasses for about the last 10 years. I can go shopping and read the labels now without my glasses but I still use them at the computer. Its a kind of new found freedom not having to where my glasses all the time though.
I had bone pain from the herx which lasted a couple weeks and it was a welcome sign of the treatment actually penetrating the bones. It made clear to me that given time the treatment would get everywhere in my body.
After the initial 6 weeks or so then I would have completely normal days only to be followed by a few days more of herxing that was progressively less intense as time went on. During the main herxing stage fever and fatigue was common. I also had liver and kidney discomfort which dissipated as that particular burst of released endotoxins was processed out of my system. Drinking a lot of water helps to alleviate the liver and kidney herx symptoms quicker. I believe some of the infection being killed was right inside my liver and kidneys and that came as the most intense discomfort in the first couple of weeks after being on the whole protocol. Had there been any actual hepatoxicity or kidney toxicity then the discomfort would have intensified because I did not reduce the dosage or frequency of dosing.
There was some anxiety as to what was happening to me but I was always able to associate it with making progress in eliminating the infections and that gave me the inspiration to stay the course.
#120 Jun 18, 2013
I had thought about reducing the dosage a couple of times but in those cases my more intense herx symptoms subsided by the next dosing time so I never did.
Some sources may suggest limiting your gluten intake because gluten turns to glucose in your body and that is supposed to feed the infections. I actually ate a lot of wheat and rye breads but bought good organic ones without sugar in the recipe. Gluten is the energy for your body and unless you are confident that you are allergic I think it is fine and even helpful to eat. Wheat also has beneficial lipids and sterols which are good fats that will work to revitalize your cells.
Something that occurred during the herx about 5 weeks in is the annoying crawling feeling that I had on my skin off and on completely and finally disappeared. Some sources suggest this may be neuropathy but I believe it could also be from an infection of the hair follicles or pores. The usnea in the protocol is also used as a treatment for acne and treats bacterial infections of the skin very well in addition to acting on systemic bacterial infections. The crawling sensation is normally associated with a babesia infection. I read a veterinary article about babesia in dogs and it said that babesia exist in small numbers within the hair follicles. I dont see why humans should be different in that regard.
I also had ringing in my ears for 6 weeks.
So it's either you put up with this kind of herxheimer reaction for a while or learn how to live as best you can with the infections.
Kentucky, keep me posted.
Since: May 12
#121 Jun 19, 2013
What would be a good idea, if you have a thermometer handy, is to take your temperature every day about the same time around noon and write it down for what day .The herx will make you have a temp so you can track how the herx is responding and the amount of endotoxins released over time, to see your progress.
#122 Jun 19, 2013
What are you taking as a daily maintenance to keep these infections under control, if anything?
#123 Jun 19, 2013
I suggest you try rat poison, either that or some actual reading could be helpful to you.
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