FRED

Golden, CO

#287 Aug 21, 2013
This is a good read on the Herx. It explains that the herx is unavoidable if you want to actually remove the infections. It also explains how the microbes actually infect the immune system. These are intracellular infections. The choice is either treat and eventually remove the infections and return to health or don't treat and eventually get the disease symptoms.

https://chronicillnessrecovery.org/index.php...

"Jarisch-Herxheimer is in fact the maximum of evidence possible in search of occult microbes.

Shonda, I suggest if you want to check your real health status to start treating with some of the herbs I've sugested, Usnea, Chanca Piedra, and Cat's Claw should be sufficient. If you are not infected it will be like drinking water. If you have a herx then you are infected.

This way only costs about $25 for the 5 herbs in tincture and that's far cheaper than battery of tests from the doctor.

Lets call it the "intracellular pathogen challenge".
FRED

Golden, CO

#288 Aug 21, 2013
Something that will aid in reducing the Herx is Genseng.
In an herbal tincture form it is commonly called "Eleuthero"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9801351

"These results suggest that ginseng treatment leads to an activation of PMNs and modulation of the IgG response to P. aeruginosa, enhancing the bacterial clearance and thereby reducing the formation of immune complexes"

Since: Jul 13

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#289 Aug 21, 2013
FRED wrote:
This is a good read on the Herx. It explains that the herx is unavoidable if you want to actually remove the infections. It also explains how the microbes actually infect the immune system. These are intracellular infections. The choice is either treat and eventually remove the infections and return to health or don't treat and eventually get the disease symptoms.
https://chronicillnessrecovery.org/index.php...
"Jarisch-Herxheimer is in fact the maximum of evidence possible in search of occult microbes.
Shonda, I suggest if you want to check your real health status to start treating with some of the herbs I've sugested, Usnea, Chanca Piedra, and Cat's Claw should be sufficient. If you are not infected it will be like drinking water. If you have a herx then you are infected.
This way only costs about $25 for the 5 herbs in tincture and that's far cheaper than battery of tests from the doctor.
Lets call it the "intracellular pathogen challenge".
You must be a mind reader Fred. I was thinking the same thing last night. Your thread opened up a whole new approach to solving the Scabies/skin parasite problem. The more I've read the more I'm inclined to believe it should be tried by everyone first before messing with Ivermection and Permethrin. If only those suffering would give it a try! I applaud you for trying to get their attention.

That guy Mike, I hope he posts his experiences with the protocol. I am very interested in hearing how well it works for him. I'm at work and being interrupted so have a good day.
FRED

Golden, CO

#290 Aug 21, 2013
shondatime wrote:
<quoted text>
You must be a mind reader Fred. I was thinking the same thing last night. Your thread opened up a whole new approach to solving the Scabies/skin parasite problem. The more I've read the more I'm inclined to believe it should be tried by everyone first before messing with Ivermection and Permethrin. If only those suffering would give it a try! I applaud you for trying to get their attention.
That guy Mike, I hope he posts his experiences with the protocol. I am very interested in hearing how well it works for him. I'm at work and being interrupted so have a good day.
Shonda; thanks for being open minded. there are far too many here who will not accept this is the case.
FRED

Golden, CO

#292 Aug 22, 2013
Nobody else has figured this out and I only did because i read so much. This science is not completely out there so you have to read a lot of stuff and connect what is happening. Some of the information is suppressed.

People don't want to read that much and they want to make this simple, just put some cream on your skin, just find the right poison. i've been watching this place for two years and I can see the big picture now, the patterns of treatment failure and what people describe as "scabies".

You can't make up science to suit what you think is happening and you can't get your info from some drama website and come away thinking you have a collembola infestation, they don't do that. Stick to well established science. Doctors really don't know very much about treating the cause of this, if your lucky they can figure out how to poison the symptoms. The pharmaceutical companies subsidize the medical colleges and the curiculum is controlled in what is a dramatically flawed system.

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#294 Aug 22, 2013
FRED wrote:
Nobody else has figured this out and I only did because i read so much. This science is not completely out there so you have to read a lot of stuff and connect what is happening. Some of the information is suppressed.
People don't want to read that much and they want to make this simple, just put some cream on your skin, just find the right poison. i've been watching this place for two years and I can see the big picture now, the patterns of treatment failure and what people describe as "scabies".
You can't make up science to suit what you think is happening and you can't get your info from some drama website and come away thinking you have a collembola infestation, they don't do that. Stick to well established science. Doctors really don't know very much about treating the cause of this, if your lucky they can figure out how to poison the symptoms. The pharmaceutical companies subsidize the medical colleges and the curiculum is controlled in what is a dramatically flawed system.
How did you manage to detox? Any time I deviate from rubbing on Permethrin or taking weekly or biweekly double doses of ivermectin these damn parasites multiply all over my body and the crawling and biting becomes intolerable. How did you keep them under control for so long to detox? I am really going through hell and it's only my first week of detoxing.

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#295 Aug 22, 2013
shondatime wrote:
<quoted text>
You must be a mind reader Fred. I was thinking the same thing last night. Your thread opened up a whole new approach to solving the Scabies/skin parasite problem. The more I've read the more I'm inclined to believe it should be tried by everyone first before messing with Ivermection and Permethrin. If only those suffering would give it a try! I applaud you for trying to get their attention.
That guy Mike, I hope he posts his experiences with the protocol. I am very interested in hearing how well it works for him. I'm at work and being interrupted so have a good day.
I will try to remember to post updates. This is very important to me but I know it's not going to be easy. Just detoxing without using something to send the mites to hell is driving me crazy. But I am determined to succeed.
FRED

Golden, CO

#296 Aug 22, 2013
alltheway77 wrote:
<quoted text>
How did you manage to detox? Any time I deviate from rubbing on Permethrin or taking weekly or biweekly double doses of ivermectin these damn parasites multiply all over my body and the crawling and biting becomes intolerable. How did you keep them under control for so long to detox? I am really going through hell and it's only my first week of detoxing.
perm is toxic and your skin absorbs it, quit using it, it isn't working and perm does kill mites so what does that tell you?

for skin use tea tree oil mixed 50/50 with another light oil like sweet almond oil. this will keep the bacterial/ pathogen infections off your skin and give you skin relief.

quit thinking in terms of mites because if you treated extensively they are gone , you may have never even had them.

You have a complex collection of internal infections.

It's not mites that your infected with if you have been walking around drenched in perm.
FRED

Golden, CO

#297 Aug 22, 2013
You can't detox if you're coated in poison.

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#298 Aug 22, 2013
Fred, I remember you saying that you also took detox baths for relief. I think if Mike can take two detox baths every day AND use the Tea Tree 50/50 mix that would go a long way to buy him time to complete the detox stage. I can certainly relate to his dilemma. Hang in there Mike!
FRED

Golden, CO

#299 Aug 22, 2013
shondatime wrote:
Fred, I remember you saying that you also took detox baths for relief. I think if Mike can take two detox baths every day AND use the Tea Tree 50/50 mix that would go a long way to buy him time to complete the detox stage. I can certainly relate to his dilemma. Hang in there Mike!
Yes that is true,I posted a few times on the thread about that so it's there for anyone to read it.

The infections thrive on the use of toxins because toxins also severely compromise the immune system and when they are removed from the skin the infections have a fiesta because they are pretty much boiling over inside the body trying to get out. He should probably also start on just a small dose of cat's claw tincture because the infections are pleomorphic so with that they may go into hiding and give some relief.

http://www.herb-pharm.com/store/product_info....

use this one because of the quality.

I know it's hard to read this thread when you're in your own private hell but if you expect to get better you need to. I don't understand how someone could read this thread 5-6 times and still be calling the issue mites.

I researched all this info while I was in hell before I created this thread, all that needs done is to read it.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#300 Aug 22, 2013
shondatime wrote:
Fred, I remember you saying that you also took detox baths for relief. I think if Mike can take two detox baths every day AND use the Tea Tree 50/50 mix that would go a long way to buy him time to complete the detox stage. I can certainly relate to his dilemma. Hang in there Mike!
Shonda: I just read your post on the "How long does Ivermectin take to work?" thread where you tell your story and recommend Fred's approach. Well, you are either Fred himself, and most here will believe that because Fred uses several usernames and in the past has tried to sell all of us on his many failures. Many of us, myself included, ended up much worse off after following Fred's advice. So just a heads up. Whoever you are. I will take you on your word and do my own research and google the herb extracts, their purposes and uses as well as review what other doctors are doing to cure or manage Lyme Disease and EVEN scabies infections with basically the same protocol. But if this is just another one of Fred's fads you will end up as disliked as he is.

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#301 Aug 22, 2013
sweetkitten wrote:
<quoted text>
Shonda: I just read your post on the "How long does Ivermectin take to work?" thread where you tell your story and recommend Fred's approach. Well, you are either Fred himself, and most here will believe that because Fred uses several usernames and in the past has tried to sell all of us on his many failures. Many of us, myself included, ended up much worse off after following Fred's advice. So just a heads up. Whoever you are. I will take you on your word and do my own research and google the herb extracts, their purposes and uses as well as review what other doctors are doing to cure or manage Lyme Disease and EVEN scabies infections with basically the same protocol. But if this is just another one of Fred's fads you will end up as disliked as he is.
First off, I am not Fred. Do yourself a favor and verify everything. I guarantee you will discover you are wrong about Fred and be delighted that this protocol is curing people everywhere! Read the forums, not the Topix forum because as I said everyone is only focused on ivermectin and permethrin poisons. Google everything then get started yourself. Whoever you are!
itchy99

Mountain View, CA

#302 Aug 22, 2013
lotus_fan wrote:
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You should also start using the Moringa leaf powder. You will be treating forever if you focus on your skin. This isn't an infection of just the skin. It's just that the symptoms show on skin. Treating your skin will only bring temporaray relief.
The biggest culprit in the collection of infections that is causing this is bartonella so for the very minimum you should be taking Moringa leaf powder, Usnea tincture, Huttuynia Cordata and Allicin. Allicin is from fresh garlic but you can get these capsules .
Although the chances you have JUST bartonella are slim to none because bart shuts down the immune system so you really need the full compliment.Absolutely needed would be the above and cat's claw tincture and Quina tincture, Bromelaine caps and sarsaparilla tincture.
For a year.
You also need to understand the herxheimer reaction.
These infections get in your adrenals and part of the herx is adrenal fatigue like symptoms as it clears the infections from the adrenals and endocrine system.
If you are using less items expect less of a result because good results come from the synergy.
Thank you lotus fan for the extra info, I am taking the 3 tinctures/drops suggested daily, has been a week...I feel good so far, but yes have experienced the fatigue you are speaking of. I will order/take the extra items as suggested (synergy wise) thank you again.

Sonya :-)
FRED

Golden, CO

#303 Aug 22, 2013
itchy99 wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you lotus fan for the extra info, I am taking the 3 tinctures/drops suggested daily, has been a week...I feel good so far, but yes have experienced the fatigue you are speaking of. I will order/take the extra items as suggested (synergy wise) thank you again.
Sonya :-)
The fatigue is part of the herx.

http://www.tiredoflyme.com/the-herxheimer-rea...

"The most common symptoms for a herx are usually fatigue, brain fog and just overall lack of motivation or passion for anything."

You need to get on the entire protocol and work on your detox pathways.
Quinolinic acid production is one of the major neurotoxins from the die off and if you don't del with that it will actually damage your organs and nerves.

You should start taking Resveratrol and Pycnogenol, they are the most powerful antioxidants available and will neutralize the neurotoxins.

http://www.nowfoods.com/Natural-Resveratrol-6...

http://www.nowfoods.com/Pycnogenol-60mg-50-Ve...

Itchy 99 you should join topix and PM me @ Lotus Fan.
FRED

Golden, CO

#304 Aug 22, 2013
shondatime wrote:
<quoted text>
First off, I am not Fred. Do yourself a favor and verify everything. I guarantee you will discover you are wrong about Fred and be delighted that this protocol is curing people everywhere! Read the forums, not the Topix forum because as I said everyone is only focused on ivermectin and permethrin poisons. Google everything then get started yourself. Whoever you are!
Thanks Shonda!

When I came to this place I expected to be done real fast and I never got cured from anything posted here so I went out to find stuff that would work. I turned over a lot of rocks looking for answers while 99% of the poster were just content to jump on for the ride. I made these connections and I created the most progressive treatment available. Some people just expect that everything should just be handed to them without any effort on their part and if it isn't and it isn't golden then they take the attitude that I'm a jerk.

These are called entitlement issues.

http://www.motivation-for-dreamers.com/entitl...

What happens to people with these infections is that whatever abherations of the personality they acquired in their youth get amplified because of the infections getting in the brain. A type of psychosis sets in that is more pronounced in people with troubled childhoods.

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#305 Aug 22, 2013
FRED wrote:
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Thanks Shonda!
When I came to this place I expected to be done real fast and I never got cured from anything posted here so I went out to find stuff that would work. I turned over a lot of rocks looking for answers while 99% of the poster were just content to jump on for the ride. I made these connections and I created the most progressive treatment available. Some people just expect that everything should just be handed to them without any effort on their part and if it isn't and it isn't golden then they take the attitude that I'm a jerk.
These are called entitlement issues.
http://www.motivation-for-dreamers.com/entitl...
What happens to people with these infections is that whatever abherations of the personality they acquired in their youth get amplified because of the infections getting in the brain. A type of psychosis sets in that is more pronounced in people with troubled childhoods.
No doubt.
vss

Hollywood, FL

#306 Aug 22, 2013
I have to wonder why Fred spends so much time here, making up new aliases every month to cozy up to...

Fred, you don't have to make up aliases to talk to. Some of your information stands well on its own. Just be yourself and don't play anymore games.

I noticed the other day that Missy Denver was out of this forum for a few days, maybe three days, and guess what.... lol.... Shondatime and Laquisha were gone, too. And Fred's boy toy was gone too.

But low and behold after a couple of days, both Shondatime/Laquisha and Fred were back at the same time. lol....

You guys messing around in the woods or something?
FRED

Golden, CO

#308 Aug 23, 2013
All the herbs in the protocol have a purpose. Moringa is used because it not only kills gram negative and gram positive bacteria but it is the most nutritious food on earth. This has a dramatic effect on rejuvenating cell health. It has also been shown to raise the CD-57 killer cell count of the immune system.



http://www.researchmoringa.com/uploads/3CMU_J...

Something like this;

http://organicindiausa.com/organic-moringa-le...
Hey Hollywood hillbilly

United States

#309 Aug 23, 2013
vss wrote:
Fred wants to get people to try this protocol and then get back to him so he can start mass producing an herbal combination to treat morgellons, lyme, and related coinfections. Any guinea pig, like Laquisha, will do.
Sign on up, anyone, you will receive a free magnet bracelet that helps to treat bartonella.
Seriously? How the hell is "Fred" going to mass produce a tincture to treat Morgellons? It looks to me that HerbPharm carries quite a few of these tinctures not Fred pharm. I have seen "Fred" posts and I agree this person seems to pop up and refute anyone who doesnt share their opinion,but you are rude as hell in general.Herbs are not evil ok? "Fred" may have a problem,but why make it your problem? If someone wants to try something it is their RESPONSIBILITY to research it and try it.

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