FRED

Golden, CO

#264 Aug 13, 2013
shondatime wrote:
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Multiple Infection Syndrome explains why so many on the Forum cannot be cured using a single treatment method. Opening up the detox pathways, adding probiotics via the absorbtion of the colon, and killing all of them with non-toxic herbs and extracts is the cure. No quick fix, should use the process for at least a year, but antiparasitic meds like ivermectin and Permethrin should never be used. It's unhealthy and God only knows what irreversible damage they do to our bodies. Thank you for this thread! It's a shame the psychotic posts of mentally ill posters take away from the quality and importance of the message.
Hi Shondatime;

If you read this link on Bartonella the it will explain how psychiatric Bartonella symptoms can be.

http://www.publichealthalert.org/Articles/jam...

The thing with Bart is that it makes all the other infections more potent because bart shuts down the immune system. 32 strains of Bart and a couple hundred Bartonella Like organisms.

Bartonella is pleomorphic just like Borrielia is so there is a cyst form and that can lie dormant for 8 months or longer and not very many things treat the cyst form. Usnea does and I also did a lot of reading on Anamu. Anamu is a really great herb that is actually used for variuos cystic applications in traditional medicine. Anamu also is used to treat fibromyalgia and alzheimers, those are two diseases that researchers are now starting to understand that are caused by spirochete infections. Borrielia is a spirochete.

A lot of these traditional medicines from the rain forest are being "rediscovered because" the paharmaceuticals don't work.

Since all of these pertinent infections become intracellular then herbs that have the ability to act intracellularly are desirable. If they have shown activity in reversing anemia that is a good flag for intracellular activity.

http://www.rain-tree.com/anamu.htm#.UgpN5W3Q_...

"The National Institute for Pharmaceutical Research and Development in Nigeria began a screening program in 2011 to study the local herbal remedies for sickle cell anemia (a prevalent disease in that country). Anamu was reported to be one of the first three medicinal plants identified with anti-sickling actions in their study published in 2012"

The scabies mites are vectors for Bartonella and other infections,but someone might show up at this scabies forum without ever even having scabies because the symptoms can be so similar. When someone is complaining of scalp issues, having them in their ears, nose or eyes then it is usually a pretty safe bet they are dealing with other infections. Yes those people could have mites too but the mites are pretty easy to get rid of. It's the other infections that are difficult unless you are using a well thought out treatment.

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#265 Aug 13, 2013
Interesting read. So you took the Anamu?

I was wondering why you chose not to use the Cumanda Microbial Defense drops?

This thread needs to be shared to more people to get the word out. I really think this is important info.

Since: Jul 13

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#266 Aug 13, 2013
How is it that you didn't use any topicals when the Chanca Piedra and other extracts were pulling them out of your skin? They must have been crawling all over you in a fury to survive. You must have used a topical, even rubbing alcohol to have some relief?
vss

Hollywood, FL

#267 Aug 13, 2013
FRED wrote:
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Hi Shondatime;
If you read this link on Bartonella the it will explain how psychiatric Bartonella symptoms can be.
http://www.publichealthalert.org/Articles/jam...
The thing with Bart is that it makes all the other infections more potent because bart shuts down the immune system. 32 strains of Bart and a couple hundred Bartonella Like organisms.
Bartonella is pleomorphic just like Borrielia is so there is a cyst form and that can lie dormant for 8 months or longer and not very many things treat the cyst form. Usnea does and I also did a lot of reading on Anamu. Anamu is a really great herb that is actually used for variuos cystic applications in traditional medicine. Anamu also is used to treat fibromyalgia and alzheimers, those are two diseases that researchers are now starting to understand that are caused by spirochete infections. Borrielia is a spirochete.
A lot of these traditional medicines from the rain forest are being "rediscovered because" the paharmaceuticals don't work.
Since all of these pertinent infections become intracellular then herbs that have the ability to act intracellularly are desirable. If they have shown activity in reversing anemia that is a good flag for intracellular activity.
http://www.rain-tree.com/anamu.htm#.UgpN5W3Q_...
"The National Institute for Pharmaceutical Research and Development in Nigeria began a screening program in 2011 to study the local herbal remedies for sickle cell anemia (a prevalent disease in that country). Anamu was reported to be one of the first three medicinal plants identified with anti-sickling actions in their study published in 2012"
The scabies mites are vectors for Bartonella and other infections,but someone might show up at this scabies forum without ever even having scabies because the symptoms can be so similar. When someone is complaining of scalp issues, having them in their ears, nose or eyes then it is usually a pretty safe bet they are dealing with other infections. Yes those people could have mites too but the mites are pretty easy to get rid of. It's the other infections that are difficult unless you are using a well thought out treatment.
Fred, you talk a big game, but I have to emphasize that you NEVER EVEN HAD SCABIES, YOU CAN'T possibly know what it's like to have a scalp full of scabies mites. you don't know how difficult it is to get rid of them on the scalp.

But you are smart enough to read the stories here on this forum, on how difficult it is for other people to get them out of the scalp.

You are very full of it and you have ALOT TO LEARN.

You cannot treat scabies with herbs, Fred, ff....

you cannot treat bart with herbs, Fred. It just doesn't WORK....
FRED

Golden, CO

#268 Aug 13, 2013
shondatime wrote:
How is it that you didn't use any topicals when the Chanca Piedra and other extracts were pulling them out of your skin? They must have been crawling all over you in a fury to survive. You must have used a topical, even rubbing alcohol to have some relief?
Shondatime;

A lot of people come to this forum who never even had mites because the symptoms of these infections are so similar. If people do have mites that are really hard to get rid of it's because they also have a systemic fungal infection that attracts mites. You need to quit thinking in terms of mites. There is no such thing as a supermite. There are symptoms that lead people to believe this however.

For skin relief the best thing is tea tree oil mixed 50/50 with another light oil. It works because these bacterial and protozoan infections aren't dumb they stay away from what kills them so that keeps them inside your body and not on your skin. You get skin relief but it won't do anything for what's inside your bone marrow and your spinal fluid.

The only way this thread will be useful to anyone is if they read it and this forum doesn't attract many people of that inclination.
FRED

Golden, CO

#269 Aug 13, 2013
shondatime wrote:
Interesting read. So you took the Anamu?
I was wondering why you chose not to use the Cumanda Microbial Defense drops?
This thread needs to be shared to more people to get the word out. I really think this is important info.
If you look closely at the Nutramedix operation it is mostly marketing and the claims are exagerated and any research on their stuff is bought and paid for. There are better herbs than Cumanda.

http://www.rain-tree.com/campsiandra.htm#.Ugr...

"Currently, only one product is available in the U.S. market today for huacapurana. It is being widely touted for Lyme's Disease as well as a host of other microbial issues and diseases. None of these claims can be substantiated by independent third-party documentation or published research, nor even by traditional use. Consumers should ask for a money-back guarantee in the event that this product does not live up to its far-reaching marketing claims."

Sadly a lot of these doctors get kick backs from companies so I don't personally endorse anything that is proprietary or in a "formula" or "tonic" or that doesn't have a rich history of success as well as in vitro documentation.

The only thing i would suggest is the Banderol because it is documented in vitro.

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#270 Aug 14, 2013
FRED wrote:
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If you look closely at the Nutramedix operation it is mostly marketing and the claims are exagerated and any research on their stuff is bought and paid for. There are better herbs than Cumanda.
http://www.rain-tree.com/campsiandra.htm#.Ugr...
"Currently, only one product is available in the U.S. market today for huacapurana. It is being widely touted for Lyme's Disease as well as a host of other microbial issues and diseases. None of these claims can be substantiated by independent third-party documentation or published research, nor even by traditional use. Consumers should ask for a money-back guarantee in the event that this product does not live up to its far-reaching marketing claims."
Sadly a lot of these doctors get kick backs from companies so I don't personally endorse anything that is proprietary or in a "formula" or "tonic" or that doesn't have a rich history of success as well as in vitro documentation.
The only thing i would suggest is the Banderol because it is documented in vitro.
Fred: I read your thread from the beginning but I have two questions. Could you please answer: 1. Did you go on a no sugar, no starch diet before and during this process? And 2. I know you said that Cat's Claw is better than Samento, can you post a link to where you bought the Cat's Claw?

I am going to do this. Thank you very much. Mike
FRED

Golden, CO

#271 Aug 14, 2013
Hi Mike;
Yes a sugar free diet is good for everyone. Sugar is a toxin to the body and it increases glucose production which has an adverse effect on your body's hormone balance. It is also a good medium in the body for fungal and bacterial growth. I didn't go gluten free because I need something to eat and it didn't make any difference.It's fine to eat fruit. You just don't want to eat foods with refined sugar.

As far as the Cat's claw I have a favorite brand. It is my favorite because they consistently deliver high quality product at a very reasonable price. They offer Cat's Claw, Chanca Piedra, Usnea, Rosemary,Olive leaf and Sarsaparilla. You can find these in a variety of brands but the best in my experience is Herb Pharm. The herb Pharm stuff is carried by many sources but this place tends to have them all at very reasonable prices, healthsuperstore.

You can generaly find those for about 7-8$ an ounce there. Compare spending $8 for an ounce of Quality Cats claw tincture with spending $30 for an ounce of Samento.
vss

Hollywood, FL

#272 Aug 14, 2013
FRED wrote:
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Shondatime;
A lot of people come to this forum who never even had mites because the symptoms of these infections are so similar. If people do have mites that are really hard to get rid of it's because they also have a systemic fungal infection that attracts mites. You need to quit thinking in terms of mites. There is no such thing as a supermite. There are symptoms that lead people to believe this however.
For skin relief the best thing is tea tree oil mixed 50/50 with another light oil. It works because these bacterial and protozoan infections aren't dumb they stay away from what kills them so that keeps them inside your body and not on your skin. You get skin relief but it won't do anything for what's inside your bone marrow and your spinal fluid.
The only way this thread will be useful to anyone is if they read it and this forum doesn't attract many people of that inclination.
Are you talking to Shondatime? who is YOURSELF? again, talking and arguing with yourself, priceless.

No, you are wrong again. You don't know that people have fungal infections with scabies. This is not the reason why people cannot get rid of scabies. You don't know and can't diagnose over the net. You know this, but keep on doing this. This IS NOT TRUE.

Yes, there is a virulent strain of scabies mites out there. It's just that you don't believe it and you don't even have mites, don't know what you are talking about, but you DO TALK A HUGE MF GAME.

Oh, we have read it. You can bet we have, but GUESS WHAT, it doesn't apply to us... Sorry, but you can't diagnose over the net. You don't know what each and every one of has and you are not the almight know it all you think you are.

Scabies mites do not go into the spinal fluid, you freak.
vss

Hollywood, FL

#273 Aug 14, 2013
I see you have made up another alias, named MIKE, how apropo. Shondatime and Mike, how sweet (no pun intended).
Or should I say Laquisha and Mike. Or maybe all the way with Laquisha.
vss

Hollywood, FL

#274 Aug 14, 2013
Fred wants to get people to try this protocol and then get back to him so he can start mass producing an herbal combination to treat morgellons, lyme, and related coinfections. Any guinea pig, like Laquisha, will do.

Sign on up, anyone, you will receive a free magnet bracelet that helps to treat bartonella.

Since: Aug 13

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#276 Aug 15, 2013
FRED wrote:
Hi Mike;
Yes a sugar free diet is good for everyone. Sugar is a toxin to the body and it increases glucose production which has an adverse effect on your body's hormone balance. It is also a good medium in the body for fungal and bacterial growth. I didn't go gluten free because I need something to eat and it didn't make any difference.It's fine to eat fruit. You just don't want to eat foods with refined sugar.

As far as the Cat's claw I have a favorite brand. It is my favorite because they consistently deliver high quality product at a very reasonable price. They offer Cat's Claw, Chanca Piedra, Usnea, Rosemary,Olive leaf and Sarsaparilla. You can find these in a variety of brands but the best in my experience is Herb Pharm. The herb Pharm stuff is carried by many sources but this place tends to have them all at very reasonable prices, healthsuperstore.

You can generaly find those for about 7-8$ an ounce there. Compare spending $8 for an ounce of Quality Cats claw tincture with spending $30 for an ounce of Samento.
Thanks Fred. I am detoxing, following your instructions to the letter. Have ordered or bought everything you listed.

I am anxious to get this started. You said these herbs will cause the mites or whatever they are to become overactive and crawl out of the burrows to look for a place to survive. I expect that will be frustrating for me. Then the Herx reaction. Like you say I will take it slow and keep a journal. Can I ask you which gave you the biggest Herx reaction? You said that it came and went in waves? During the Herx did you continue to gradually increase the drops or did you stop until the Herx faded away? Last question, once you were taking the herbs how many days or weeks until the mite activity stopped?

Again, thanks for your help. I wish that more people were doing this. It makes perfect sense. Mike

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#277 Aug 19, 2013
alltheway77 wrote:
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Thanks Fred. I am detoxing, following your instructions to the letter. Have ordered or bought everything you listed.
I am anxious to get this started. You said these herbs will cause the mites or whatever they are to become overactive and crawl out of the burrows to look for a place to survive. I expect that will be frustrating for me. Then the Herx reaction. Like you say I will take it slow and keep a journal. Can I ask you which gave you the biggest Herx reaction? You said that it came and went in waves? During the Herx did you continue to gradually increase the drops or did you stop until the Herx faded away? Last question, once you were taking the herbs how many days or weeks until the mite activity stopped?
Again, thanks for your help. I wish that more people were doing this. It makes perfect sense. Mike
Hi there! I'm not Fred but I have been reading about how these extracts and tinctures work. I am cured but not by Fred's method. You have to be very careful that you don't start off by taking more than is recommended because apparently the Herx Reaction if you do can be a terrible experience. I read where the Samento and Banderol tinctures, that's the drops, are very powerful so you should follow Fred's protocol to the letter when you begin the regime. The other stuff, like the Chanca Peidra, Anamu, Olive Leaf and Moringa are in capsules so I would expect all of them together to either add to or help relieve The Herx Reaction. Herx Reactions usually last several hours and up to two days so you need to reach a Herx Reaction to let you know the herbs are causing a die-off but not to extremes because some people end up going to the hospital ER if they over do it. Fred also said to drink lots of water and apparently the Chanca Peidra is a very strong diuretic that will make you piss like a race horse! Some of the comments posted about it on various Lyme Disease forums describe how these herbs go after the parasites and the side effects once that happens. I'm sure that Fred will be back to help you with your questions. I just wish I knew about this protocol back before I was cured. It's a healthier way to be completely cured of Scabies and other infections. Too bad everyone is quick to judge it without trying it first. So many people are benefiting by it, just do some google searches. These herbs are amazing! Best of luck to you.

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#278 Aug 19, 2013
shondatime wrote:
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Hi there! I'm not Fred but I have been reading about how these extracts and tinctures work. I am cured but not by Fred's method. You have to be very careful that you don't start off by taking more than is recommended because apparently the Herx Reaction if you do can be a terrible experience. I read where the Samento and Banderol tinctures, that's the drops, are very powerful so you should follow Fred's protocol to the letter when you begin the regime. The other stuff, like the Chanca Peidra, Anamu, Olive Leaf and Moringa are in capsules so I would expect all of them together to either add to or help relieve The Herx Reaction. Herx Reactions usually last several hours and up to two days so you need to reach a Herx Reaction to let you know the herbs are causing a die-off but not to extremes because some people end up going to the hospital ER if they over do it. Fred also said to drink lots of water and apparently the Chanca Peidra is a very strong diuretic that will make you piss like a race horse! Some of the comments posted about it on various Lyme Disease forums describe how these herbs go after the parasites and the side effects once that happens. I'm sure that Fred will be back to help you with your questions. I just wish I knew about this protocol back before I was cured. It's a healthier way to be completely cured of Scabies and other infections. Too bad everyone is quick to judge it without trying it first. So many people are benefiting by it, just do some google searches. These herbs are amazing! Best of luck to you.
So you are cured but not from using the herbs? What cured you? Do I have to Herx myself every day? Because that could be very taxing on my body. And I am not sure how to control the Herx if it becomes unbearable. Do you? Other than this website where are you learning more about this process? Links? I have read Fred's info 5 or 6 times but I feel like I am still taking a leap, like there are gaps I need to fill in so that I understand everything. I appreciate any resources you can share. Thank you.
FRED

Golden, CO

#279 Aug 19, 2013
Shonda you shouldn't reiterate the information on this thread because you haven't read it enough to not post errors. Also you are under the impression you are cured, you should be using the word "asymptomatic". With what you have treated with there should be enough antigens for a positive western blot however.

This thread isn't much good because people don't invest any effort in actually reading it and the links from the beginning. Just read a few posts and come back and post a bunch of OCD guesswork.
FRED

Golden, CO

#280 Aug 19, 2013
alltheway77 wrote:
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So you are cured but not from using the herbs? What cured you? Do I have to Herx myself every day? Because that could be very taxing on my body. And I am not sure how to control the Herx if it becomes unbearable. Do you? Other than this website where are you learning more about this process? Links? I have read Fred's info 5 or 6 times but I feel like I am still taking a leap, like there are gaps I need to fill in so that I understand everything. I appreciate any resources you can share. Thank you.
You can't just piecemeal this protocol. This disease is complex and needs to be understood. You need to do the detox part of the protocol 3-4 weeks before you start the herbals or you will suffer. I posted that many times.

I'm done here.

If someone reads the thread enough to understand it then they will maybe quit posting useless guesswork.

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#281 Aug 19, 2013
alltheway77 wrote:
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So you are cured but not from using the herbs? What cured you? Do I have to Herx myself every day? Because that could be very taxing on my body. And I am not sure how to control the Herx if it becomes unbearable. Do you? Other than this website where are you learning more about this process? Links? I have read Fred's info 5 or 6 times but I feel like I am still taking a leap, like there are gaps I need to fill in so that I understand everything. I appreciate any resources you can share. Thank you.
Alltheway I P.M.ed you.
FRED

Golden, CO

#282 Aug 19, 2013
"You have to be very careful that you don't start off by taking more than is recommended because apparently the Herx Reaction if you do can be a terrible experience."

And apparently all the links and lengthy description of what to expect that i posted needs the interpretation of someone who bothers to read what I posted, But if you did read it you would hopefully understand enough to understand what you're writing about.

Since: Aug 13

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#283 Aug 19, 2013
Thanks again Fred.
FRED

Golden, CO

#286 Aug 20, 2013
If you had a scabies infection, Lice, a spider bite or even other insects carry these infections. It's not just ticks so it's become harder to protect yourself from infection.

A lot of people are working outside the meddical system because the antibiotics that doctors use don't cure and cause a lot of suffering in the process.
Borrelia becomes much more virulent in the presence of Bartonella which is more common than Borrelia. The most aware doctors think Borrelia should be considered a coinfetion to Bart.

Agrobacterium is used extensively to modify our food supply. The closest relative to Agrobacterium Is Bartonella bacteria. They share genes and abilities. Bartonella is intracellular so evades the immune system that way as well as releasing chemicals to shut down immunity. Agrobacterium is so like Bartonella it should be considered a Bartonella like organism.

Agrobacterium has the ability to readily change your DNA and is an opportunistic infection. The mutant DNA from agrobacterium is most likely responsible for Lyme disease developing into morgellons disease. Morgellons is linked to Lyme.

Since there is not much real research going on and after reading huge amounts of material Morgellons is likely to be a "Chronic lyme" infection with agrobacterium as a "co-infection". This wasn't caused by the government being evil it was cause by the government being incompetent.

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