I'm sorry Fred Denver, but no matter what you say about me and how controlling you try to be about this, it is not going to work. Bartonella is treated with antibiotics, not herbs. I will not let you control this forum with your abusive outbursts. This is not so complex as you try to make it out to be. I have no plastic on my car seats, so shut your trap and quit trying to belittle everyone here on this forum. So, have you guessed what fiaff is?<quoted text>
Since you just googled that because you probably never heard of Bartonella before and don't even understand the implications of what you have, instead you're just compelled to shoot off your stupid pie hole, I would like you to show me the studies where the antibiotics actually work and how they even test for it. Levaquin and Rifampin are normally used but very often the patient ends up bed ridden and the treatment is Always long term ineffective.
But this is way too complex for you, you don't understand bartonella at all but I will tell you it is directly responsible for your psychiatric issues. You know you will be crazy for the rest of your life meaning you will never have peace.
You never post anything in depth because you don't get past reading the back of the cereal box.
Better stick to something you understand like your meaningless laundry tips. Go put some more plastic on your car seats for those imaginary scabies you have.
#193 Jul 9, 2013
#194 Jul 9, 2013
Oh, by the way, if anyone here wants to have a civil conversation about Morgellons and/or Lyme, please go to birdmitesorg yahoo group. There are some really nice people over there who will help you with any lyme issues or morgellons issues. You won't be belittled over there. Even though it is a birdmites group, the group is now leading towards morgellons and lyme. They will also help you with any mite problem you have, too.
#195 Jul 9, 2013
Actually, Fred Denver Lotus Fan, I tried many times to attach an interview of two researchers doctors who are up to date and state of the art doctors studying this and treating hundreds of patients with bartonella, but the interviews were deleted every time I posted them. And I said many times, but it was deleted from this forum uh hum, and never once did either one of these doctors say anything about treating bartonella with your herbs. Not a peep.
They just won't cure you of these diseases. Just as your homeopathy doesn't cure. Or raspberry smoothies.
Since: May 12
#196 Jul 11, 2013
"Thereís no clear defined treatment for this infection. What we do know is that most antibiotics donít work or will temporarily relieve your symptoms.
Zithromax and Biaxin are used commonly for treatment but their effects are small and short lived. The addition of Augmentin XR to the mix can be more helpful. Triple antibiotic therapy seems to do better than single of duel therapy.
Levaquin and Cipro have also been used with some success but relapses can be common after treatment. Cipro can cause ligament damage and may result in spontaneous tearing. If you are taking this formula be sure to support your collagen tissues with vitamin C and glucosamine sulfate."
"Kill the infection. Bartonella is very complicated and hard to kill. There are several herbal products that I currently use that have strong antimicrobial, antifungal and antiviral properties. The bacteria canít build up resistance to them either. The herbal products are formulated with multiple and specific herbs that work in a synergistic fashion with each other and thus become very potent."
#197 Jul 11, 2013
Another one that is being used for Bartonella besides the already mentioned Usnea, Huttuynia and allicin is moringa powder.
"Powder from fresh leaf juice exhibited a potent
inhibitory effect against all the tested Gram-negative and Gram-positive bacteria"
#198 Jul 12, 2013
Although you can research better than most people here on this forum, it doesn't mean you can belittle everyone that comes here.
Remember Fred Lotus Fan Fcface, you NEVER EVEN HAD SCABIES. You have been belittling and degrading people ever since you first started here on this forum.
Although some people may get help from your herb protocol, it doesn't mean that you are helping people with
yes, people DO NEED help cleaning their environment. they do come here with not much knowledge on how to handle a persistent case of mites. they actually do need help with laundry, meds, environmental cleaning.
Just because you are studying lyme and morgellons and bartonella doesn't mean that you can belittle people who are coming here for help.
You have never had scabies. you have some type of infection going on in your body. You have hyjacked this entire forum to serve YOUR needs, and have posted things you have learned along the way.
taking leaf powder for bartonella doesn't help someone coming here who has contracted a mite that is difficult to get rid of. calling people stupid, dumb doesn't help anyone.
you cannot continue to hijack an entire forum to serve your own special needs. This is NOT A MORGELLONS FORUM. You don't have scabies and never will.
You can't hijack a morgellons forum on topix, because there is none. maybe you can focus on convincing the administrators of this website to start one. As much energy that you have put into studying this, and making yourself the guru of this disease, then surely you can convince them of this. Why don't you start a group of some sort on the net for morgellons and related co-infections. Your energy would be well spent.
I saw on the lyme forum here on topix that you posted and said exactly this. you said that you do not want to take antibiotics for the rest of your life for lyme, that you are looking for help with lyme. No one ever responded to your post there, because that forum is not very active. What you did was hijack a very active forum to serve your personal needs. It doesn't work like that.
This is not a lyme forum fred. this is a scabies forum. you don't know how to treat scabies BECAUSE YOU NEVER HAD IT. You don't know what it is like to have these mites. you only know how to treat your symptoms. you can't treat others here.
#199 Jul 19, 2013
Brilliant research and excellent strategy.
I am starting you protocol today. Begining with the probiotics, Oxilift, Taurine & Lecithin. I will continue for 4 weeks and then add the tinctures when I can find a UK supplier. I'll let you know my progress.
#200 Jul 19, 2013
Judged by VSS no doubt.....yawn.
#201 Jul 19, 2013
This thread became messed up because the moderators pulled some posts and because hollywood is in some weird OCD psycho mode. The most important of the treatments to start are the bartonella ones, Usnea tincture, Huttuynia Cordata, Moringa powder and Allicin. It would also be helpful to start the Chanca Piedra and Anamu and that will also kick out any mites you may have. I listed everything used on this thread a few times. It takes time for this to work but after reviewing all the material that was pertinent, it's the only thing that made sense.
I found some good herbal suppliers here in the U.S. One is "Rainforest Pharmacy" and another is "myherbsexpress".
There are posts I made on Samento but you should use Cat's Claw tincture instead. The PAO/TAO controversy is just a sales gimmick and goes against the philosophy of herbal synergy.
You should also use a trace mineral because it helps cellular respiration and most of these infections are intracellular. The one I used is called "concentrace".
The herxheimer reaction really messes with your head as to weather this is working or not so it's important to remember that one or two days doesn't matter it's your progress trend that matters. Keeping a journal could be helpful and including your daily temperature is a long term way to check some progress.
#202 Jul 19, 2013
The oxylift is kind of expensive and the point of that is to gain cellular respiration so that some of the treatments can reach the cell mitochondria. You should at least start the oxylift in combo with the Usnea tincture at a time you feel your ready.
As for the part of the treatment where you are working on detox pathways then Burdock root tincture and Sarsparilla tincture help to clean the blood.
#203 Jul 19, 2013
Oh, I'm sure you will let us know your "progress" "steve." Make sure you post back now.... yawn...
and by the way "steve" I didn't rate that post. wasn't me. yawn... jerk.
#204 Jul 20, 2013
Knowing that you are on your way to healing is another thing to bear in mind during these intense healing crises or, as some people like to call them, opportunities. Our bodies need to eliminate toxins in order to be strong and healthy again. Be patient with yourself, shower yourself with compassion and most of all, try to remember that the Herx is just another sign that you are on the healing path.
- Dr. Zira, 3978 A.D.
#205 Jul 23, 2013
#206 Jul 23, 2013
I looked up Dr. Zira 3978 A.D. That has to do with Planet of the Apes. Are you okay, Fred? TAKE YOUR ORAP...
#207 Jul 23, 2013
#208 Jul 24, 2013
Thank you for all the information, it's much appreciated!
I agree, this thread has become slightly dis-jointed. I would be really grateful if you could list what should be taken and when. A protocol as such? It seems I've missed the later treatments you stated in your last post.
#209 Jul 24, 2013
In a nutshell;
I used about 15 herbs that I carefully selected , they either needed to be strategic or broad spectrum or both. I wanted to exploit every weakness and at the same time support organ function. To support organ function I took Lecthin (Mega pc-35) for liver and cell health, I also took an Omega 3, I took taurine to promote bile production and used a probiotic rectally to avoid the stomach acid. I also used a mineral supplement (concentrace)
The herbals were taken twice a day and since they are all stable phytochemicals you can take them in one glass of water, you have to work up to the doses so you don't over herx.
Olive leaf Tincture- 30 drops- antiviral
Usnea Tincture-15 drops - broad spectrum
Cinnamon tincture- 30 drops- expands blood vessels and antimycoplasma
Rosemary tincture- 30 drops - inhibits quorum sensing
Sarsaparilla- 15 drops- blood cleaner
Cat's claw tincture(better than samento)- 15 drops- broad spectrum
Sichuan Teasel tincture-15 drops- repels out of connective tissue
Chanca piedra tincture-15 drops-broad spectrum
Sida acuta tincture-15 drops- broad spectrum
Banderol-15 drops tincture- broad spectrum
Cryptolepis tincture-15 drops- broad spectrum
Anamu tincture-15 drops-broad spectrum
Oxylift- 10 drops - to help with cell respiration
Quina tincture-10 drops- Anti protozoal-broad spectrum
After I drank that down i had a cup of herbal detox tea (yogi brand) with a half teaspoon of Huttuynia Cordata powder and a half teaspoon of Moringa, 15 drops of licorice root tincture and 15 drops of burdock tincture added.
I know this sounds like a boatload of stuff but the idea was to take advantage of the practical limits of herbal synergy. On this program I was able to see progress consistently and the herxing for me was manageable. I didn't list all the abilities of the tinctures and herbs but a lot of them also support organs and aid in detox.
"The plants are smarter than we are"
#210 Jul 24, 2013
What is taking place in people here is pathogenic synergy;
The two main culprits are a transgenic bartonella like organism and agrobacterium. There are minor players and those change with the individual and are responsible for the different symptom presentations.
You need the power of herbal synergy to overcome the pathogenic synergy.
Since: Apr 13
#211 Jul 26, 2013
Hi everyone, I just wanted to say thank you to Mr. Lotusfan and Fred for all of your helpful information, I am actually feeling much better after taking Lecithin and Olive Leaf Extract for about a month consistently every day.
For my skin relief I have been using Clove Stem oil/Jojoba oil mixture (please remember Clove stem oil has more eugenol than clove bud and can may be better for scabie sufferers if you are a clove oil fan. I also use tea tree oil off an on as well.
What I have been doing also is an internal cleansing made of a gallon of water and Fruit pectin , I drink this every three days.
I haven't even started the Tinctures yet and I am starting to feel better, I haven't seen hardly any black specks in about a week and much less crawling as well.
I wanted to also say that for anyone experiencing crawling on scalp or private areas, pop open like 5-10 garlic pills, put the oil on your privates and on your scalp before bedtime every night or after you shower. Those symptoms will improve also.
Also, my sons symptoms are almost 100% gone.
Here are the tinctures that I will starting once these come in.
Usnea tincture- 20 drops twice a day
Chanca Piedra tincture- 20 drops twice a day
Quina tincture- 10 drops twice a day
Thank you again, much love to LotusFan and Fred.
Since: May 12
#212 Jul 28, 2013
You should also start using the Moringa leaf powder. You will be treating forever if you focus on your skin. This isn't an infection of just the skin. It's just that the symptoms show on skin. Treating your skin will only bring temporaray relief.
The biggest culprit in the collection of infections that is causing this is bartonella so for the very minimum you should be taking Moringa leaf powder, Usnea tincture, Huttuynia Cordata and Allicin. Allicin is from fresh garlic but you can get these capsules .
Although the chances you have JUST bartonella are slim to none because bart shuts down the immune system so you really need the full compliment.Absolutely needed would be the above and cat's claw tincture and Quina tincture, Bromelaine caps and sarsaparilla tincture.
For a year.
You also need to understand the herxheimer reaction.
These infections get in your adrenals and part of the herx is adrenal fatigue like symptoms as it clears the infections from the adrenals and endocrine system.
If you are using less items expect less of a result because good results come from the synergy.
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