Is this scabies or some other parasite??

Is this scabies or some other parasite??

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psy

United States

#1 Jun 15, 2011
Developing for about three weeks, I first thought I had a rash. Then I thought it was fleas, but my roommate and I searched the house and found none. Then maybe bedbugs, but nothing I could find was conclusive. I figured if it was bedbugs, I'd leave the apartment for a few days (washed myself and clothes thoroughly, took a shower to be safe and didn't touch anything and didn't bring anything that might be contaminated with me) and see if I was still getting "bitten." Still happening, so the next thought was an allergic reaction, stress, or scabies. I've never had a stress rash before (or hives, etc.) but it doesn't seem to be pointing in that direction. Same with the allergy, I don't seem to be allergic. Which left scabies.
The symptoms I have are small (sometimes red) bumps that itch badly. Most of them are on my inner thighs and run backward onto my buttocks, a few on my lower back and across my stomach, wrists, a few on my legs, and on the tops of my hands (some on the webbing between fingers). They itch badly, mostly in the evening or right when I wake up. I have been able to sleep through the night without medication or itch cream, but before bed and right when I wake up is the worst, and sometimes through the day. Some of the bumps - the first ones - are healing/have healed, but I still get new ones, sometimes many over one night.
Because I have very sensitive skin I do not want to use permethrin, and I've also heard from many people that scabies and other parasites have developed some immunity to this prescription so I decided to look for a homeopathic remedy. I found that certain oils, like tea tree oil or in my case Neem oil, are effective combined with an eradiction method of the home. I read that scabies cannot live without a hose for more than 3 days, so to be safe I am staying away from my apartment for a whole week to let the parasites die off on their own so that I can go home and vacuum and launder my clothes/bed/furniture etc.
I took a bath today and soaked in the Neem oil for 15 minutes, as well as washing with a Neem oil soap bar, and then applied the oil to my skin particularly in the worst areas. Neem oil doesn't kill the parasites, but it stops them from reproducing and over time they die off. It's made the itching a lot better, and I plan on showering again when I get home and washing and reapplying the oil to my skin to sleep in as well as laundering all the sheets I am using while not at my apartment. However, when I got to work I noticed something on my skin. It's a tiny black speck, maybe the size of the point of a needle, but not moving. I read something about bugs being in your skin so it scared the bejesus out of me. There are three that I trapped on a piece of scotch tape (and a few random fibers) and they are a little oval shaped and not moving. But they came out of my skin. Is this scabies? I am not sure what they are but I know they didn't come from anything that I touched because I have been sitting at the counter and suddenly they just appeared out of nowhere and they definitely aren't dust or crumbs or anything like that.
I have made an appointment with a dermatologist for next week to have a scraping done to see if I have mites but I don't know what todo. I am going to keep cleaning my clothes and sheets and using my oil because I don't want to use harsh chemicals or pharmaceuticals, but if anyone has any idea what this might be or has advice I'd gladly take it. I'm literally scared of my own skin right now and won't even be remotely close to people in case I spread whatever it is that I happen to have. Help please!
Me too

Hemet, CA

#2 Jun 15, 2011
You can find similar stories all over this forum. Don't assume that they live only 4 days. From my experience, I know otherwise. They can survive a long time!! Get a plastic cover for your bed. Wash and iron your bedding, as well as your cloths. Ironing or boiling is essential! If you can, boil your underwear and clothes. Clean, clean clean!
Most people have spent thousands of dollars on products that do little or no good. Food grade diatomaceous earth is great for the environment as well as pets and you. However, if you have asthma, wear a mask. Coconut oil and grape seed oil, mixed with diatomaceous earth, sulfur and clove oil..........has helped me. Bathes and showers seem to move the eggs and scabies around, thus you have more breakout spots. If you have it on your hands, wear plastic gloves after you have applied treatment to your hands. Permethrin creams are derived from chrysanthemum flowers. If you decide to use the cream, you will have to use it and then again 3 days from then, and then probably once more. It is a good idea to discard the clothes you use during treatment. If you can get rid of them within the first couple months, you are ahead of the game as they seem to be impossible to get rid of once they get a foothold in your environment. It just takes one scabie to start an infection all over again! I have been dealing with this for a long time, and have been scabie free for 5 months at a time, only to open a box that had been stored away for months.....and open it and get reinfected! I live alone, have no lovers, and no one but me is ever in my apt!

Since: Mar 11

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#3 Jun 15, 2011
PSY......the black dots are the Scabies.........

We have been conditioned to think that they are microscopic but take it from me.....you can see them.......

My partner and I both have scabies and you will find if you use something on your skin that is toxic to them they come out.....

Try using Clove oil or t tree or rubbing alcohol when you get an itch or a bite..........leave it a couple of minutes then wipe the area with white tissue........you will see them on the tissue. They cannot be mistaken for dirt or anything like that because although they vary in size they are the same shape..........

I have seen on the Forum people posting about the black specks and speculating as to what they can be.....dead bodies, debris or mite poo.......the last makes me laugh cos how can any creature do poo bigger than themselves if they are microscopic which I dispute anyway.......
Me too

Hemet, CA

#4 Jun 15, 2011
I think there are variations on scabies. They have mutated and I believe that there is a resistant subspecies. If you look at old pictures of scabies...they look almost see through. Some people say that when a doctor takes a scraping, that doctors can't identify what it is. I have seen allot of people on this forum describe what you have. I hope we all find a solution! I know nothing can survive a hot iron or boiling water. As for our skin, we are all desperate!

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#5 Jun 16, 2011
Me too wrote:
I think there are variations on scabies. They have mutated and I believe that there is a resistant subspecies. If you look at old pictures of scabies...they look almost see through. Some people say that when a doctor takes a scraping, that doctors can't identify what it is. I have seen allot of people on this forum describe what you have. I hope we all find a solution! I know nothing can survive a hot iron or boiling water. As for our skin, we are all desperate!
read posts #335 and #336 on Imidacloprid thread
psy

United States

#6 Jun 17, 2011
So if the black dots are the scabies... then it's GOOD that they don't like the neem oil. Which would lead me to believe I should keep using it. They only seem to come out if I use the oil directly on my skin without mixing it with lotion, although I've been told that mixing it with vegetable oil is good because it mixes well and I can cover my skin in it. Does anyone know if it could be something other than scabies though? I just want to make sure I'm not assuming it is one thing when it may also be something else - better safe than sorry.
Bill Gluyas

Levin, New Zealand

#7 Jun 23, 2011
This definitely sounds like scabies to me and for your sensitive skin you are on the right track with tea tree and neem oils, however a far better solution is New Zealand Manuka oil combined with Tea tree oil, it is fast, effective and safe and will not cause your skin to rash, have a look at this treatment pack here: http://www.manukanatural.com/products/Natural...
Ellie

Auburn, WA

#8 Jun 23, 2011
I have sensitive skin also. I had bad excema years ago that never returned. I have had skin cancer surgery...very light skinned. I used the p cream from the doctor and it was very helpful. I used it twice as directed and was itch free for almost 2 weeks until I returned back to my living room furniture and got bit again from the sofa and things on the carpet. I am not sure I have scabies as they are not supposed to jump, but I know things jumped on my legs. I am not nuts. I have called pest control but am fearful to waste my money. I think I need to trash my sofa...people are telling me scabies definitely can't live more than 3 days on a carpet or furniture without a host. well, then, its some other kind of mite. The pest control specialist I contacted told me most likely I have a mite infestation in my apartment. I do not know where I brought them in from and do not know what to do next to get rid of them. I put Borax on my carpeting the other day and I think this actually made it worse...I think Borax does kill mites but I also think they run from it while they are still alive, thus making themselves stationed in other areas of the home to escape the Borax. Not sure how it all works.l Nobody answered my post with a Borax question.

If you can see the scabies what do they look like? I have teeny tiny white specs on my laptop every day. I am a smoker and assumed it was cigarette ash from the wind. Now I'm not too sure. Maybe they are the bugs?
Whats Working for me

Madison, WI

#9 Aug 9, 2011
psy wrote:
Developing for about three weeks, I first thought I had a rash. Then I thought it was fleas, but my roommate and I searched the house and found none. Then maybe bedbugs, but nothing I could find was conclusive. I figured if it was bedbugs, I'd leave the apartment for a few days (washed myself and clothes thoroughly, took a shower to be safe and didn't touch anything and didn't bring anything that might be contaminated with me) and see if I was still getting "bitten." Still happening, so the next thought was an allergic reaction, stress, or scabies. I've never had a stress rash before (or hives, etc.) but it doesn't seem to be pointing in that direction. Same with the allergy, I don't seem to be allergic. Which left scabies.
The symptoms I have are small (sometimes red) bumps that itch badly. Most of them are on my inner thighs and run backward onto my buttocks, a few on my lower back and across my stomach, wrists, a few on my legs, and on the tops of my hands (some on the webbing between fingers). They itch badly, mostly in the evening or right when I wake up. I have been able to sleep through the night without medication or itch cream, but before bed and right when I wake up is the worst, and sometimes through the day. Some of the bumps - the first ones - are healing/have healed, but I still get new ones, sometimes many over one night.
Because I have very sensitive skin I do not want to use permethrin, and I've also heard from many people that scabies and other parasites have developed some immunity to this prescription so I decided to look for a homeopathic remedy. I found that certain oils, like tea tree oil or in my case Neem oil, are effective combined with an eradiction method of the home. I read that scabies cannot live without a hose for more than 3 days, so to be safe I am staying away from my apartment for a whole week to let the parasites die off on their own so that I can go home and vacuum and launder my clothes/bed/furniture etc.
I took a bath today and soaked in the Neem oil for 15 minutes, as well as washing with a Neem oil soap bar, and then applied the oil to my skin particularly in the worst areas. Neem oil doesn't kill the parasites, but it stops them from reproducing and over time they die off. It's made the itching a lot better, and I plan on showering again when I get home and washing and reapplying the oil to my skin to sleep in as well as laundering all the sheets I am using while not at my apartment. However, when I got to work I noticed something on my skin. It's a tiny black speck, maybe the size of the point of a needle, but not moving. I read something about bugs being in your skin so it scared the bejesus out of me. There are three that I trapped on a piece of scotch tape (and a few random fibers) and they are a little oval shaped and not moving. But they came out of my skin. Is this scabies? I am not sure what they are but I know they didn't come from anything that I touched because I have been sitting at the counter and suddenly they just appeared out of nowhere and they definitely aren't dust or crumbs or anything like that.
I have made an appointment with a dermatologist for next week to have a scraping done to see if I have mites but I don't know what todo. I am going to keep cleaning my clothes and sheets and using my oil because I don't want to use harsh chemicals or pharmaceuticals, but if anyone has any idea what this might be or has advice I'd gladly take it. I'm literally scared of my own skin right now and won't even be remotely close to people in case I spread whatever it is that I happen to have. Help please!
the black dots are the scabies...I've been dealing with family not believing me for two years...I finally got reief from diff forum..buy borax for laundry soap..a cup per load.than take 1 part bleach 3 part water and spray whole body after shower..air dry..omg after 1 st night I saw lil bumps clear..can finally sleep
Whats Working for me

Madison, WI

#10 Aug 9, 2011
1 Part bleach 3 parts water..put in spray bottle and after hot shower spray this on every inch of body....kills them...only thing that had worked for me...been dealing with this for over two years..I have super sensitive skin and I'm fine..wash clothes with borax..kills them...drink 2 tps apple cider vinegar...I plug nose and take it plain..ick but scabies don't like it so uwon't be good host for them..stay away from sugar best you can...
lioness8163

Dahlonega, GA

#11 Aug 10, 2011
From the sound of what you are describing it could be this: http://www.natural-health-information-centre.... I hope you have gotten relief. I am still itching and cannot figure out what it is as I cannot see anything at all. It almost seems like something invisible jumps on my and then it itches like crazy and goes away. At one point last year it felt as if something was stinging me but nothing there...Ugh! They call em bugs for a reason. I hope everyone gets relief...These no see ums are not the no see ums of yesteryear for sure!

Since: Oct 09

AOL

#12 Aug 10, 2011
psy, Scabies are green and they are microscopic, you (can not) see them without a microscope! Okay, when I first got scabies 3 yrs ago, I knew nothing about them, now I'm like a freaking specialist, I've done so much research I could write a book. But I don't think you have scabies, I think you have flee's, I've had them before and that's exactly what it seems like you have. I am cured of scabies, and this is what I used. You seem to have quite a infestation, having them in so many places on your body. Please don't use bleach, you will smell awful and they will keep comming back anyway. In my oppinion you should go to a health food store and buy clove oil, Now Foods is the best brand, and a carrier oil, like sweet almond oil or jojoba, and mix 80% clove to 20% carrier oil. It may burn when you apply it but it only lasts about 15 minutes, and you will need to put it everywhere from your scalp & hair to the bottom of your feet before bed every night until you feel no more movement. Don't put it on your private areas and if they are on your eyelaashes be very careful. It smells good too. If you think you have flee's you should call a Vet and tell them you have flees and ask them what you should use, that's what I did. And soon after they were all dead. That was a very long time ago so I don't remember what the product was that I used. Good luck!
Guest

Rossville, GA

#13 Aug 10, 2011
bitten1 wrote:
psy, Scabies are green and they are microscopic, you (can not) see them without a microscope! Okay, when I first got scabies 3 yrs ago, I knew nothing about them, now I'm like a freaking specialist, I've done so much research I could write a book. But I don't think you have scabies, I think you have flee's, I've had them before and that's exactly what it seems like you have. I am cured of scabies, and this is what I used. You seem to have quite a infestation, having them in so many places on your body. Please don't use bleach, you will smell awful and they will keep comming back anyway. In my oppinion you should go to a health food store and buy clove oil, Now Foods is the best brand, and a carrier oil, like sweet almond oil or jojoba, and mix 80% clove to 20% carrier oil. It may burn when you apply it but it only lasts about 15 minutes, and you will need to put it everywhere from your scalp & hair to the bottom of your feet before bed every night until you feel no more movement. Don't put it on your private areas and if they are on your eyelaashes be very careful. It smells good too. If you think you have flee's you should call a Vet and tell them you have flees and ask them what you should use, that's what I did. And soon after they were all dead. That was a very long time ago so I don't remember what the product was that I used. Good luck!
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Scabies can be seen with the naked eye IF you use a lint roller. Your can also see them quite clearly with just a regular magnifying glass used in school. Their color varies during the lifecyle a bit--from near transparent to brown--but adults are very dark brown/black specs.

Just FYI-folks here have had dermatologists tell them to use mild bleach baths as part of their treatment. Apparently you have not seen those posts. If bleach tears up skin, NO ONE would be able to go into a swimming pool. Further, bleach is also used to purify water--so we wouldn't be able to drink water either.

Since: Oct 09

AOL

#14 Aug 11, 2011
you can see for yourself that I am not nuts, YOU are a spammer! www.picturesofscabies.org

I have another link that shows with a microscope that shows color, of 3 scabies, one adult and 2 babies, ALL the same color. I hate BS!

Since: Oct 09

AOL

#15 Aug 11, 2011
www.microscopicblog.blogspot.com for the pic with one adult and 2 babies

Since: Oct 09

AOL

#16 Aug 11, 2011
you'll need to scroll down and on the right side is the scabies link ;)
Guest

Chattanooga, TN

#17 Aug 11, 2011
bitten1 wrote:
you can see for yourself that I am not nuts, YOU are a spammer! www.picturesofscabies.org
I have another link that shows with a microscope that shows color, of 3 scabies, one adult and 2 babies, ALL the same color. I hate BS!
__________

Sorry, but I am NOT a spammer. But do know quite a bit about parasitology--worked at a vet college and have seen many creatures via electron microscope (flees, mites, etc), which is what those pictures are showing you. Often, if they are relatively transparent, a lens adjustment for color is added to enhance visibility of the parasite.

Electron microscopes photos are NOT reflective of what you see on your skin IN PERSON...doubt you could say your SKIN is that color, either! The BROWN mites under a plain microscope are more reflective of what they look like.

Use a lint roller, a good magnifying glass--and you will see these same mites VISIBLE to the naked eye...and they're not green.

Since: Oct 09

AOL

#18 Aug 11, 2011
Guest---lol, you just contradicted yourself, earlier you said "they can be seen with the naked eye", screw the color, you can't SEE them!
Guest

Chattanooga, TN

#19 Aug 11, 2011
bitten1 wrote:
Guest---lol, you just contradicted yourself, earlier you said "they can be seen with the naked eye", screw the color, you can't SEE them!
__________

I did not contradict myself.

Specimens are visible on a lint roller and the use of rollers is a good way to keep track of the level of your infestation.

IF you pay attention when you wipe after using the toilet, they are often visible as specks on toilet tissue as well (works even better if you first apply a little petroleum jelly to the area).

If you have good eyesight--you can clearly see the mite "specks" on the roller AND the tissue. IF you then use a magnifying glass in addition (since few of us have an electron microscope or microscope in our homes), you can more clearly see the mites AND their feces/debris.

From your response, I suspect you've never done either.

Since: Oct 09

AOL

#20 Aug 12, 2011
whatever..... who care what color they are and if you can see them anyway, isn't the whole point to be rid of them, and thanks for the judge it ;), and yes you did contradict yourself, read what you wrote. No more communications between us! weirdo!

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