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Since: Aug 07

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#21
Aug 12, 2007
 
GET A HOTEL FOR A WEEK (at least 4 days)

One of the most important factors i feel is reinfestation from the envirnoment. I do not believe that once an infestation has gone on long enough that any amount of spraying, mattress covering, vacuuming will work.
I believe that you need to completely get out of your environment. Get a hotel/motel for a week, or better yet two rooms. If you are treating continuously i think it is very unlikely you will give it to hotel staff or the next guest. Studies back this up.

Completely isolate all your clothing. Bring clean clothes for the week. Dont bring contaminated shoes. Buy cheap ones if you have to. Try and wear things once and isolate into garbage bags.

The day before you go to the hotel start treating continuosly with ivermectin approx 20 ug/kg. Dont worry about taking a bit too much the research shows it is very safe.
Take it with oily or fatty meal to increase absorption, or use the alcohol based iver solution. Drink grapefruit juice all week to keep the iver from breaking down. Take the ivermectin in the early afternoon so it is present on your skin in the evening and night when mites are active.

Sleep naked. Scratch as much as you want. I recommend sleeping pills to help you get through this.

Since: Aug 07

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#22
Aug 12, 2007
 
Use any topical scabicides you havent used already (or used the least). Permethrin, benzyl benzoate, tea tree oil, lindane, sulpher (BB 25% and TT 5% plus a drop of detergent to make it mix is my favorite -- cheap and the fastest to kill)
Even Neem oil is an effective scabacide. All these things have effectiveness of araound 75%- 99% in studies with one dose. Yes after months of infestation they wont be effectiove as one dose but continuous any of them will do. Just try and make it one you havent used so far.
Use the topical scabacide every night prior to sleeping and again when you wake up. Whole body scalp and hair. Leave it on for 10 minutes at least before lying down.

Try not to shower all week. Wash your hair in the morning. Then apply scabacide to your body minus hair/scalp. If you need to shower, time it so that it is around when you take your iver (before it goes to your skin) and reapply scabacide after shower.
This plan is based on having 24hr protection for two weeks.

Dont worry about your cell phone or laptop being contaminated. I doubt these are issues. Spray your car everytime you get out of it. Or if possible leave it for the week. Riding your bike to work will be good for you.

Since: Aug 07

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#23
Aug 12, 2007
 
SUPPLEMENTAL NOTE: if you feel your feel or calluses are a problem or if you have crusts as in norwegian you will need to be more aggressive. The most responsible choice would be to alternate 1) urea 10% and 5% lactic acid in sorbolene (sold as Eucerin in canada) with 2) salacylic acid in cetomacrogel (wart remover).
Anything that is corrosive will alos suffice but be very cautious. I gave myself a major burn using caustic soda (basically lye), dilute the acid or base first sufficiently. Alternatively can use the cheese grater thing people have used or a file of some sort.
Be cautious what you do here because you need something effective but dont hurt yourself. This whole issue for me was dodgy because i dont know if my feet really were as much a problem as i thought they were. For several days after treatment they still felt pinpricks and crawling which i now know was mostly post effects.

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#24
Aug 12, 2007
 
GO BACK HOME

Don't touch anything from the week at the hotel after you bag it.
Keep treating iver and your scabacide every day.
Try not to shower all week.
Try and wear things once and isolate into garbage bags.
Drink grapefruit juice all week

At the end of the week isolate your clothes from the week.

I would wait one more week before wearing anything from the week at the hotel.

After the second week is done stop treating.

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#25
Aug 12, 2007
 
At this point you will feel like you have accomplished absolutely nothing! Cry for a bit then reread what i wrote about post scabies/ post treatment.
spend the next week neurotically trying to figure out if PROGRESS is an idiot. Ignore all sensations. This is when you will realize how much of the disease was just an illusion.

Wait five days. Do two safety treatments. 2 days iver with concurrent topical scabacide exactly as the other two weeks. Clean your sheets and wear clean clothes like a normal person who just got scabies might do.
Wait 5 more days do it again.

At this part I stop. I know that after i treat i feel symptoms again just like i have it again but when i stop treating things slowly get better. One researcher i contacted said post scabies / post treatment can last months. I would imagine it depends on the person and how long you have been treating. I'll keep you updated.

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Aug 12, 2007
 

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To recap:

Day / details
1 iver/topical
2 move to hotel -- iver/topical
3 iver/topical
4 switch hotels (or beds) if possible -- iver/topical
5 iver/topical
7 iver/topical
8 move home -- iver/topical
9 iver/topical
10 iver/topical
11 iver/topical
12 iver/topical
13 iver/topical
14 iver/topical
15 stop treatment
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20 iver/topical
21 iver/topical
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27 iver/topical
28 iver/ topical
29 never treat again. have party invite everyone, don't tell them what the party is for, get hammered, sleep with stranger, contract non-scabies STD

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#27
Aug 12, 2007
 
For those of you who have been treating intensively. Please take what I say about post scabies / post treatment seriously. If you are thinking that there is no possible way these things should have survived by this time... they may not have.
Try going off treatment for a while completely. Things are as bad as they can get now, how much worse can they get by stopping a week? Who cares if you have 40 or 50 mites on you? It may be worth going off treatment for a bit as a test. Do everything you can not to spot treat or retreat!

After 1 week ask yourself these questions:
Are the sensations getting worse?
Are the sensations getting better?
Have they changed in quality?(am i still getting pinpricks 1 week later? is the itching transient?)
Do I have any new visible signs?(bumps, vesicles, burrows - exclude first 3 days)

After asking yourself these questions you are still convinced you have scabies then follow through my schedule above.

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#28
Aug 12, 2007
 
I will be happy to clarify anything i have written above. I will try and stick around for a while.
I wish you all luck.
Much Love,
Progress

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Why don't you tell us the name of the alcohol based Ivermectin you keep talking about? Is it Ivomec injectable? And did you take it orally?

Also did you use 100% TTO full body? Ouch if you did.

I was hoping you had tapped into some of the studies that can only be read by subscription. I've read just about every study online you refer to and I'm pretty sure a good amount of the other posters have too. A short recap of an article is fine and then post the link so readers can see exactly how the medical professionals and scientist wrote it. No matter, links to most of the studies you found have been posted on the forums.

More helpfull would be telling us what questions you asked the authors of the articles and what were their answers?

Do you have a medical degree? are you an MD? chiropractor?

Only the moderator of this forum can delete posts. You've used the F word and gotten away with it so I don't think there is much worry a post will be removed that complys with the forums guidelines.

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#30
Aug 12, 2007
 
*** THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO GO BEFORE
GET A HOTEL FOR A WEEK

My recommended schedule for difficult infestations:
Keep in mind this is not medical advice... do this at your own risk. Reading info from an internet forum is in no way a substitute for medical advice.

This is also obviously based on what worked for me.

For most people if you catch this early the infestation isnt that extensive and your environment isnt that infested either.
However most people on this forum have had it for at least a few months, this means that your environment is probaly heavily contaminated.
Before you leave crank the thermostat in your house. At 34 degrees they only live 24 hours. Give yourself piece of mind.
Isolate enough, beyond a doubt clean clothes for your week away and your first week back.

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Aug 12, 2007
 
Been There wrote:
Why don't you tell us the name of the alcohol based Ivermectin you keep talking about? Is it Ivomec injectable? And did you take it orally?
Also did you use 100% TTO full body? Ouch if you did.
I was hoping you had tapped into some of the studies that can only be read by subscription. I've read just about every study online you refer to and I'm pretty sure a good amount of the other posters have too. A short recap of an article is fine and then post the link so readers can see exactly how the medical professionals and scientist wrote it. No matter, links to most of the studies you found have been posted on the forums.
More helpfull would be telling us what questions you asked the authors of the articles and what were their answers?
Do you have a medical degree? are you an MD? chiropractor?
Only the moderator of this forum can delete posts. You've used the F word and gotten away with it so I don't think there is much worry a post will be removed that complys with the forums guidelines.
Sorry if this is review for you. I hope that someone finds it helpful. There was a lot of stuff in those articles that i never read on other posts. I think everything else you asked is answered in the bulk of my text. Anything i asked researchers was clarification of study info and is included in my summary.

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Been There wrote:
Why don't you tell us the name of the alcohol based Ivermectin you keep talking about? Is it Ivomec injectable? And did you take it orally?
Also did you use 100% TTO full body? Ouch if you did.
I was hoping you had tapped into some of the studies that can only be read by subscription. I've read just about every study online you refer to and I'm pretty sure a good amount of the other posters have too. A short recap of an article is fine and then post the link so readers can see exactly how the medical professionals and scientist wrote it. No matter, links to most of the studies you found have been posted on the forums.
More helpfull would be telling us what questions you asked the authors of the articles and what were their answers?
Do you have a medical degree? are you an MD? chiropractor?
Only the moderator of this forum can delete posts. You've used the F word and gotten away with it so I don't think there is much worry a post will be removed that complys with the forums guidelines.
Ivermectin -- valumec, for horses. It shouldnt matter what source you have as long as you have enough and know how to maximize its effectiveness.
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I have to say, you are the first poster I've seen who has tried the drench. Your as crazy as the rest of us. The oral drench has no activity against sarcoptic mites, nor does the horse paste.

I wonder why you don't just order some Stromectol tablets? are you out of mite money like many of us?
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feed store Ivermectin drench and paste taken orally, no activity against sarcoptic mites.
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#35
Aug 12, 2007
 
Ok got a question since Tea tree oil is it actual effective against scabies? Since it's mostly grown in Austrailia and New Zealand??

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I have to say, you are the first poster I've seen who has tried the drench. Your as crazy as the rest of us. The oral drench has no activity against sarcoptic mites, nor does the horse paste.
I wonder why you don't just order some Stromectol tablets? are you out of mite money like many of us?
where did you get that info? the ivermectin in the drench is the exact same molecule as in the tablet only in alcohol solution. As long as that ivermectin makes it to the skin your good.

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#37
Aug 12, 2007
 
alhatesitchin:

Are you actually accusing me of product promotion??

First documentation of in vivo and in vitro ivermectin resistance..." CID 2004 (39) Currie et al.

"the rationale for this was that benzyl benzoate and 5% tea tree oil were consistantly the topical scabacides that killed mites the quickest in our earlier in vitro studies."

"The rapid in vitro scabacidal action of 5% tea tree oil and its successful use in combuination with benzyl benzoate..."

See also...
sarcoptes scabiei var hominis
trans r soc ttrop med hyg 200 (94)

treatment of hiv related scabies with emphasis on the efficacy of ivermectin
semin cutan med surg 1997 (16)

acaricidal activity of melaleuca alternifolia (tea tree) oil...
arch dermatology 2004 (140)

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#38
Aug 12, 2007
 
Been There wrote:
feed store Ivermectin drench and paste taken orally, no activity against sarcoptic mites.
High doses of iver in adults
pharmacodynamics and pharmacokin 2002 (42)

when [ivermectin] was administered in a hydroalcoholic solution, a similar increase in bioavailability was observed(compared to adnministration as a tablet)...the poor solubility in water of the lipophilic ivermectin molecule limits it absorption."

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#39
Aug 12, 2007
 
why am i getting animosity here? i spent at least 3 hours typing this stuff up because i thought it would help people. I found a lot of info i didn't find anywhere on these threads. i shared my story with you.

if you are not interested don't read it. if no one wants my input i can leave, no problem. if you have some productive input or questions then lets discuss.
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#40
Aug 12, 2007
 
Will you please provide me with source concerning bathing. Do you have anywhere I can start to find relevent info regarding pharmacodynamics and pharmacokinetics of Ivermectin in Crusted Scabies? I can't find any that say anything but generals already given in umpteen sources. How bad was your case if I may ask? Any lesions, crusts? Thanks.

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