Mary

Hollywood, FL

#81 Jul 7, 2007
SAM: What do you think of this cure? I recall talking to a lady who does dog rescue and she said just buy some jock itch ointment, that works... Do you think October 6th had scabies or a fungus???? Would you try this ointment? Anyone know anything about fungus creams to cure scabies?
October 06 wrote:
I am just about cured, and so is my best friend who also has this invisible bug problem. As you all know, I have been trying everything to get rid of this nightmarish bug, spending thousands of dollars. Last month, I started applying Athletes Foot Cream 2 times a day all over my body including my scalp and we are mostly cured, my friend was given some anti fungal orals and is basically cured of the problem completely.
This is a very weird fungus. I HAD red bites that didnít heal on my chest, around my neck, back, ankles, legs, and a few on my face, BUT mine did not itch. I HAD crawling feelings all over my body, including inside my nose and ears (I swore it was a bug), besides the crawling, they sometimes flutter, or snap or it will be a sharp pinching sensation (I thought it was a springtail mite because of this feeling or a rat mite because it was in my hair). The crawling was worse at night. I also had an involuntary cough. As it turns out all of these symptoms are now gone.
?I shower once in the morning and apply the creams. I recommend any generic brand of athleteís foot cream Clotrimazole 1%. There is a clear liquid on the market I use for my scalp, ears and nose. I also use Tolnaftate liquid spray for my back because I cannot reach it. I got rid of the cough by just using Listerine in the mornings and night. I havenít taken the orals yet, I am trying distilled Vinegar along with and the Anti-fungal creams, liquid and powder first for a while, and I am just about cured.
I am also doing a no sugar diet, no refined flour and no dairy products diet, well basically an anti-candida diet. The "cure" for yeast and fungus is to basically eat a highly alkaline diet and avoid (or at least cut back drastically) key foods such as sugar, dairy products, meat (which is acidic) and refined flour. All of these things "feed" the yeast, fungus and mold and I am using some herbs:
1) Pao d Arco recommended dose on bottle (2,000mgs) this is an anti fungal herb,
2) MSM (it is a purified sulfur found in every drug store), I read the average person of 200 pounds should take an average of 10,000mgs of MSM a day. A person needs to build up over a period of a few days if they are taking more than 2 grams a day, so the digestive tract gets used to it.
3) Garlic (I do like the Kyolic Garlic Pills with MSM in them. I take about 8 pills a day)
4) Vit C ,
5) Fish Oil (this also helps you sleep like a baby at night) use recommended dose on bottle and take at night,
6) multi vitamin.
After 6 weeks of this, I just started spraying myself down with 1/2 water and 1/2 white vinegar before applying the anti-fungals, and I am cutting the cream with a lotion (by half), since I donít have the sensations at all.
Sam

United States

#82 Jul 7, 2007
I don't know Mary, lots of things can cause jock itch, but I guess we're talking about the fungal type here. I don't think fungal meds can cure scabies. I put some on my toes and they didn't itch as bad, but it didn't kill any scabies.

Maybe your dog rescue lady thought it cured the dogs because it stopped them from itching.
Mary

Hollywood, FL

#83 Jul 7, 2007
Well, it's worth a try, anyway.
Sam wrote:
I don't know Mary, lots of things can cause jock itch, but I guess we're talking about the fungal type here. I don't think fungal meds can cure scabies. I put some on my toes and they didn't itch as bad, but it didn't kill any scabies.
Maybe your dog rescue lady thought it cured the dogs because it stopped them from itching.
progress

Brisbane, Australia

#84 Jul 8, 2007
Mary wrote:
What about olive oil or propylene glycol?<quoted text>
i havent tried either. i tried sesame as someone suggested, but as i say i didnt get that tingling feeling from the nerve toxicity. so i assume it wasnt penetrating. i have been reading up on PBO. i think it has a lot to do with it. it accentuates the effects of permethrin. dunno if it causes increased absorption, but prevents the insects from breaking down the permethrin. i can only find it sold as PBO-8 "synergist" pesticide for plants, but i havent sourced any yet.
progress

Brisbane, Australia

#85 Jul 10, 2007
Mary wrote:
SAM: What do you think of this cure? I recall talking to a lady who does dog rescue and she said just buy some jock itch ointment, that works... Do you think October 6th had scabies or a fungus???? Would you try this ointment? Anyone know anything about fungus creams to cure scabies?
<quoted text>
fungal meds won't cure scabies. she must have had a fungal infection. it will soothe it though. she or the dogs may have had scabies. no harm in trying, just dont brake the bank for the experiment.
crazy mite lady

Grants Pass, OR

#86 Jul 14, 2007
progress wrote:
<quoted text>
i havent tried either. i tried sesame as someone suggested, but as i say i didnt get that tingling feeling from the nerve toxicity. so i assume it wasnt penetrating. i have been reading up on PBO. i think it has a lot to do with it. it accentuates the effects of permethrin. dunno if it causes increased absorption, but prevents the insects from breaking down the permethrin. i can only find it sold as PBO-8 "synergist" pesticide for plants, but i havent sourced any yet.
wonder if emu oil would do the same...it is suppose to absorb deep into the skin if added to meds i hear...tried some in my perm. and benz....expensive but isnt everything we try here....my grandsons dr said he had a diaper type rash and prescibes nitasin (for diaper rash, ringworm, jock itch, fungus and athletes foot) worked for a bit but like anything it came back, and his skin has funny bleached color in spots....so not a cure
progress

Brisbane, Australia

#87 Jul 15, 2007
crazy mite lady wrote:
<quoted text>wonder if emu oil would do the same...it is suppose to absorb deep into the skin if added to meds i hear...tried some in my perm. and benz....expensive but isnt everything we try here....my grandsons dr said he had a diaper type rash and prescibes nitasin (for diaper rash, ringworm, jock itch, fungus and athletes foot) worked for a bit but like anything it came back, and his skin has funny bleached color in spots....so not a cure
I dunno. From what people have told me Emu oil is basically just chicken fat. There isnt anything to a fat that would make it penetrate better. I have a feeling PBO is what makes it penetrate further.
mad at mites

United States

#88 Jul 15, 2007
progress wrote:
<quoted text>
I dunno. From what people have told me Emu oil is basically just chicken fat. There isnt anything to a fat that would make it penetrate better. I have a feeling PBO is what makes it penetrate further.
For those who are mixing up their own scabicide, a safe PBO (sesamin) is found in sesame oil. Sca

Doramectin injectable has a sesame oil base and it's lasting action is twice that of ivermectin. The manufacturers decided to use sesame oil for a reason. I posted this info awhile back on a topical forum.

http://acvdresidents.tripod.com/home/review/P... .

"synergist (piperonyl butoxide, sesamin, sesamolin, and MGK264) all inhibit mixed function oxidase and esterase enzymes of insects and may potentiate mammalian toxicity
∑ These synergists bind to cP450 in insect causing dec metabolism of drug
∑ carbamates and OPís which inhibit esterases can also potentiate pyrethroid toxicity"
crazy mite lady

Grants Pass, OR

#89 Jul 18, 2007
mad at mites wrote:
<quoted text>
For those who are mixing up their own scabicide, a safe PBO (sesamin) is found in sesame oil. Sca
Doramectin injectable has a sesame oil base and it's lasting action is twice that of ivermectin. The manufacturers decided to use sesame oil for a reason. I posted this info awhile back on a topical forum.
http://acvdresidents.tripod.com/home/review/P... .
"synergist (piperonyl butoxide, sesamin, sesamolin, and MGK264) all inhibit mixed function oxidase and esterase enzymes of insects and may potentiate mammalian toxicity
∑ These synergists bind to cP450 in insect causing dec metabolism of drug
∑ carbamates and OPís which inhibit esterases can also potentiate pyrethroid toxicity"
where could u get something like that...and would you mix it with bb or perm.....sounds like it coulnt hurt
Sam

United States

#90 Jul 18, 2007
"synergist (piperonyl butoxide, sesamin, sesamolin, and MGK264) all inhibit mixed function oxidase and esterase enzymes of insects and may potentiate mammalian toxicity
∑ These synergists bind to cP450 in insect causing dec metabolism of drug
∑ carbamates and OPís which inhibit esterases can also potentiate pyrethroid toxicity"

Yes it could hurt. I don't think there is a safe PBO. It says "may potentiate mammalian toxicity".
2ScratchOrNot2Sc ratch

Sanford, NC

#91 Jul 18, 2007
Everytime I see a new post in this thread, I get excited thinking someone is cured. lol
tex

United States

#92 Jul 21, 2007
test
rj_molly

United States

#93 Jul 21, 2007
In June I went to the doctor for a "rash" that seemed to itch worse at night. The rash was very bad behind one of my knees. It had spread to my hip and behind my other knee. It was shocking to learn that I had scabies. My husband also had a few scabies spots on his leg but nothing to the extent that I had.

The doctor prescribed 1 tube of Permethrin Cream 5% for both my husband and myself. We both treated with a light coat of cream from the neck down (following all the instructions in the box) and left on over night. I sprayed all our furniture, the inside of my car and our throw rugs with Rid. Three days later I treated with 5% again. Three days following I spot treated. We changed our sheets every night. Any time I used a towel or wore something I laundered it.

I thought I must be cured but I was still itchy. My husband found information from several popular health sites saying it is common to still itch and 1 site even said that it is common to get new bumps for a few weeks after the scabies have died. One night I woke up from a dream that something was crawling in my ear and my inner ears were itchy. The spots, bumps, rash - whatever you want to call it had moved to my other hip and I felt like something was crawling on me. It was obvious that I wasn't cured. I found this forum and learned that unfortunately, this seems like a common story.
The next day, which was a Friday, I called my doctor. He was on vacation. I could not get anyone else to prescribe more medication. I basically pestered the on call nurse with numerous phone calls. It was humiliating to say I have scabies and repeat my story to each new person who answered the phone. The thought of spending the weekend and letting the scabies multiply on my body had me in tears. After calling the doctors office every half hour, the after hours doctor called me back. He said in a very patronizing tone that I must have something else, that scabies is cured with 1 treatment of Permethrin cream. He went into my hygiene. Was I laundering my sheets at least once a week, was I laundering my bed clothes. I just broke down in sobs. I was itchy, I had scabies and I needed him to believe me - not a lecture. The doctor was convinced that I must have something else because if I has scabies it would have been treated with 1 application of Permethrin. I told him I couldn't face another weekend of itchiness. He relented and called in a prescription of 2 tubes of Permethriin for me and my husband. You would have thought I was trying to get Oxycontin or some other highly addictive over the counter drug. It made a bad experience even worse...
rj_molly

United States

#94 Jul 21, 2007
Continued...
By the time I got home from picking up the prescription, I had a scabies rash covering my stomach and a good portion of my leg from my buttock down to my knee. This freaked my husband out enough to say I should go to the hospital. I decided to try the Permethrin cream overnight first. This time we got really serious. I slathered a very thick amount (no light coats this time around) of Permethrin on my body, from the soles of my feet to my hairline. I put it on my face and inside my ears but not on my hair/scalp. I really rubbed the cream in. I slept nude because I had the rash and scabies bumps so badly on my hips. I was afraid that any undergarments would rub the cream off. My husband treated as well.

We also treated our 3 cats and dog with Frontline Plus. I had noticed both animals scratching a few days before my scabies came back in full force. My doctor had assured me that scabies could not be passed on to our animals. I believe that human scabies cannot survive for long on animals, but think that maybe the animals could be hosts for a few days or a few hours - just long enough to transfer the mites back to us? We always apply Frontline Plus at the beginning of the month so I find it odd that all the animals were scratching. We checked them and could find no fleas, etc.

We removed all the throw rugs, thoroughly sprayed all the furniture, mattresses, etc. I refused to sit on any cloth furniture and only sat on a leather chair and sofa. I had felt itchy in the past after laying on my favorite cloth sofa and watching tv.

We laundered all our sheets, bedding and bed clothes every night. I set the washer to soak cycle and filled it with hot water. I also added bleach. I soaked all our bedding for at least 10 minutes but usually an 30-45 minutes before washing on warm wash/warm rinse. I dried everything on the hottest setting. The same goes for any towel (after every use) or article of clothing we wore. I wiped down my shoes with Clorox wipes.

I threw out any hair conditioners or lotions that were in a jar that I dipped my hand in to use. I took a warm bath and washed my hair every morning. I bought disposable razors. I used 1 razor to shave 1 leg and a new razor on the other leg, throwing both razors out after each use. The scabies were so bad on my legs that I didn't want to transfer them from 1 leg to the other. I used a different razor to shave my arm pits. I used a tea tree soap.

I also got pure tea tree oil and applied that to my scabs after bathing. Here is something unconventional that I tried. After the tea tree oil dried, I applied Benzoyl Peroxide 5% made by Jan Marini Skin Research to the scabies infested places. It's an acne medication but I thought it might dry the scabies out.

I did the bathing and laundry routine every day.
rj_molly

United States

#95 Jul 21, 2007
Continued...

The 1st day after the Permethrin treatment was torture. I was so itchy and upset/afriad that it didn't work. I took a prescribed antihistamine to relieve the itching. I was very careful not to itch because I did not want to spread the scabies. After 2 days I could stop using the antihistamine. I also found that applying pure aloe vera lotion greatly reduced the itching.

Three days later I repeated the full body overnight Permethrin Cream treatment. At that time, we resprayed our cloth furniture with Rid. My body had healed and I had no itching but I went ahead and applied a 3rd treatment of Permethrin Cream 3 days after the 2nd treatment. I also resprayed our cloth furniture. 1st treatment, 3 days later/2nd treatment, 3 days later/3rd treatment.

Around the time of my 3rd treatment I noticed our animals scratching again. I gave them all another round of Frontline Plus. I know this is against the manufacturers instructions, but the scabies situation is a war. Our animals are fine. We are scabies free.

Things that didn't work: Lavender oil - it almost seemed to make it worse for some reason. Coconut oil.

I don't believe tea tree soap and oil, benzoyl peroxide or aloe vera would be enough to cure scabies on their own, but they seemed to heal my skin faster and decrease the itching.
We seem to be cured.

I'm no expert, this is just what worked for us. I'm still so paranoid. I am keeping up with the laundry and bathing routine.

Since: Jul 07

United States

#96 Jul 21, 2007
Here is my story: Part 1

In June I went to the doctor for a "rash" that seemed to itch worse at night. The rash was very bad behind one of my knees. It had spread to my hip and behind my other knee. It was shocking to learn that I had scabies. My husband also had a few scabies spots on his leg but nothing to the extent that I had.

The doctor prescribed 1 tube of Permethrin Cream 5% for both my husband and myself. We both treated with a light coat of cream from the neck down (following all the instructions in the box) and left on over night. I sprayed all our furniture, the inside of my car and our throw rugs with Rid. Three days later I treated with 5% again. Three days following I spot treated. We changed our sheets every night. Any time I used a towel or wore something I laundered it.

I thought I must be cured but I was still itchy. My husband found information from several popular health sites saying it is common to still itch and 1 site even said that it is common to get new bumps for a few weeks after the scabies have died. One night I woke up from a dream that something was crawling in my ear and my inner ears were itchy. The spots, bumps, rash - whatever you want to call it had moved to my other hip and I felt like something was crawling on me. It was obvious that I wasn't cured. I found this forum and learned that unfortunately, this seems like a common story.

The next day, which was a Friday, I called my doctor. He was on vacation. I could not get anyone else to prescribe more medication. I basically pestered the on call nurse with numerous phone calls. It was humiliating to say I have scabies and repeat my story to each new person who answered the phone. The thought of spending the weekend and letting the scabies multiply on my body had me in tears. After calling the doctors office every half hour, the after hours doctor called me back. He said in a very patronizing tone that I must have something else, that scabies is cured with 1 treatment of Permethrin cream. He went into my hygiene. Was I laundering my sheets at least once a week, was I laundering my bed clothes. I just broke down in sobs. I was itchy, I had scabies and I needed him to believe me - not a lecture. The doctor was convinced that I must have something else because if I has scabies it would have been treated with 1 application of Permethrin. I told him I couldn't face another weekend of itchiness. He relented and called in a prescription of 2 tubes of Permethriin for me and my husband. You would have thought I was trying to get Oxycontin or some other highly addictive over the counter drug. It made a bad experience even worse...

Since: Jul 07

United States

#97 Jul 21, 2007
Continued...Part 2

By the time I got home from picking up the prescription, I had a scabies rash covering my stomach and a good portion of my leg from my buttock down to my knee. This freaked my husband out enough to say I should go to the hospital. I decided to try the Permethrin cream overnight first. This time we got really serious. I slathered a very thick amount (no light coats this time around) of Permethrin on my body, from the soles of my feet to my hairline. I put it on my face and inside my ears but not on my hair/scalp. I really rubbed the cream in. I slept nude because I had the rash and scabies bumps so badly on my hips. I was afraid that any undergarments would rub the cream off. My husband treated as well.

We also treated our 3 cats and dog with Frontline Plus. I had noticed both animals scratching a few days before my scabies came back in full force. My doctor had assured me that scabies could not be passed on to our animals. I believe that human scabies cannot survive for long on animals, but think that maybe the animals could be hosts for a few days or a few hours - just long enough to transfer the mites back to us? We always apply Frontline Plus at the beginning of the month so I find it odd that all the animals were scratching. We checked them and could find no fleas, etc.

We removed all the throw rugs, thoroughly sprayed all the furniture, mattresses, etc. I refused to sit on any cloth furniture and only sat on a leather chair and sofa. I had felt itchy in the past after laying on my favorite cloth sofa and watching tv.

We laundered all our sheets, bedding and bed clothes every night. I set the washer to soak cycle and filled it with hot water. I also added bleach. I soaked all our bedding for at least 10 minutes but usually an 30-45 minutes before washing on warm wash/warm rinse. I dried everything on the hottest setting. The same goes for any towel (after every use) or article of clothing we wore. I wiped down my shoes with Clorox wipes.

I threw out any hair conditioners or lotions that were in a jar that I dipped my hand in to use. I took a warm bath and washed my hair every morning. I bought disposable razors. I used 1 razor to shave 1 leg and a new razor on the other leg, throwing both razors out after each use. The scabies were so bad on my legs that I didn't want to transfer them from 1 leg to the other. I used a different razor to shave my arm pits. I used a tea tree soap.

I also got pure tea tree oil and applied that to my scabs after bathing. Here is something unconventional that I tried. After the tea tree oil dried, I applied Benzoyl Peroxide 5% made by Jan Marini Skin Research to the scabies infested places. It's an acne medication but I thought it might dry the scabies out.

I did the bathing and laundry routine every day.

Since: Jul 07

United States

#98 Jul 21, 2007
I'm sorry. I'm having trouble with the forum over writing my posts...Here is Part 1...

In June I went to the doctor for a "rash" that seemed to itch worse at night. The rash was very bad behind one of my knees. It had spread to my hip and behind my other knee. It was shocking to learn that I had scabies. My husband also had a few scabies spots on his leg but nothing to the extent that I had.

The doctor prescribed 1 tube of Permethrin Cream 5% for both my husband and myself. We both treated with a light coat of cream from the neck down (following all the instructions in the box) and left on over night. I sprayed all our furniture, the inside of my car and our throw rugs with Rid. Three days later I treated with 5% again. Three days following I spot treated. We changed our sheets every night. Any time I used a towel or wore something I laundered it.

I thought I must be cured but I was still itchy. My husband found information from several popular health sites saying it is common to still itch and 1 site even said that it is common to get new bumps for a few weeks after the scabies have died. One night I woke up from a dream that something was crawling in my ear and my inner ears were itchy. The spots, bumps, rash - whatever you want to call it had moved to my other hip and I felt like something was crawling on me. It was obvious that I wasn't cured. I found this forum and learned that unfortunately, this seems like a common story.

The next day, which was a Friday, I called my doctor. He was on vacation. I could not get anyone else to prescribe more medication. I basically pestered the on call nurse with numerous phone calls. It was humiliating to say I have scabies and repeat my story to each new person who answered the phone. The thought of spending the weekend and letting the scabies multiply on my body had me in tears. After calling the doctors office every half hour, the after hours doctor called me back. He said in a very patronizing tone that I must have something else, that scabies is cured with 1 treatment of Permethrin cream. He went into my hygiene. Was I laundering my sheets at least once a week, was I laundering my bed clothes. I just broke down in sobs. I was itchy, I had scabies and I needed him to believe me - not a lecture. The doctor was convinced that I must have something else because if I has scabies it would have been treated with 1 application of Permethrin. I told him I couldn't face another weekend of itchiness. He relented and called in a prescription of 2 tubes of Permethriin for me and my husband. You would have thought I was trying to get Oxycontin or some other highly addictive over the counter drug. It made a bad experience even worse...

Since: Jul 07

United States

#99 Jul 21, 2007
The other thing I forgot to mention is that I cleaned the tub out with Clorox after I bathed.
Been There

Rancho Santa Fe, CA

#100 Jul 21, 2007
rj_molly wrote:
Continued...

We also treated our 3 cats and dog with Frontline Plus. I had noticed both animals scratching a few days before my scabies came back in full force. My doctor had assured me that scabies could not be passed on to our animals. I believe that human scabies cannot survive for long on animals, but think that maybe the animals could be hosts for a few days or a few hours - just long enough to transfer the mites back to us? We always apply Frontline Plus at the beginning of the month so I find it odd that all the animals were scratching. We checked them and could find no fleas, etc.
.
Thank you for telling your story.

I'm concerned that your pets may be carriers and potentially will pass the mites back to you and your husband because Frontline Plus does not treat sarcoptic mites(scabies)and it's very possibe they are carriers.

Products that treat mites are:

Frontline Spray(fipronil) a different ingredient than the spot-on

Revolution spot-on. vet's or online store. usually less expensive online. some online stores require a Rx.

Advocate spot-on(Advocate is only available from Australia).

Treatment for sarcoptic mites is every two weeks for about 2 months. You may need to take your pets into the vet's for Ivermectin injections if they continue to scratch or display other symptoms. Injections should be every 7 days for 4 treatments.

My information comes from why too much experience and from the veterinary text book. I found an excellent vet who did research and gave me copies of all the info she found.

My pets are on monthly preventative treatments of either Revolution or Advocate. I order from Deadfleaz.com in Australia, I've found they have the best price and are very reliable. about 10 days to delivery.

I'm a longtime poster going back to Oct of 06. My pets and I all were infested with sarcoptic mites last summer. It's been hell for us and I don't want you to suffer for any length of time. It sounds like you are a mite magnet, some of us just attract them more than others. I'm sorry this happened to you.

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