I am Cured
Jamie

Grand Rapids, MI

#651 Dec 4, 2010
I believe many people might actually have "Tunga Penetrans". It is a sand flea which burrows into the skin. I caught it from Norwegian Cruise Lines private Island (as did my daughter). I've tried all the remedies of sulfur, permethrin, BB,ivermectin etc. Now I know that these only partially work and aren't the treatment protocol for these burrowing arthropods.

Some people use fingernail polish, topical vaseline, liquid nitrogen to kill them. Apparently some islanders know to dig them out----which is the first line treatment but I'm not about to do that yet. You must also bomb the tar out of your house like regular fleas.

I truly believe this is what many people are suffering and why there are so many treatment failures. Treatments for scabies doesn't work on this flea, but maybe it does kill some of the males that might be crawling and biting on the skin.

Cruise site areas may be more susceptible in my opinion because there are so many travellers to the carribean who are bring them back on planes, hotels, then workers can contract them, etc.

http://www.healthinplainenglish.com/health/in...

http://dermatology.cdlib.org/1412/case_report...

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#652 Dec 4, 2010
Thanks Jamie--good info. Many many years ago, I lived in San Diego--where sand fleas were a problem in our building for a while. Our next door neighbors had trouble, but we were lucky and didn't. I encountered them in another apartment in another building and they bit me like crazy, but didn't "contract" them.
mee too

Fayetteville, WV

#653 Dec 5, 2010
I was woundering if we have treated with perm cream twice within a week and we still have new bumps that itch what does this mean?
Aaron

Hollywood, FL

#654 Dec 5, 2010
Regarding using precipated sulfur rather than sublimed sulfur. The Germa Sulfur 10% ointment contains 2 ounces of 10% precipated sulfur and 90% Petrolatum. The petro vaseline, within time, can be toxic to your body. So, here is a post from a poster who used another combination of precipated sufur and "Nature's Jelly" (castor oil base).

From the thread called
Ivermectin, Permethrin, sulfur powder. need intsructions
posts number 2 and 3.

I am not sure about everything else, but my sis and I have tried sublimed compared to precipitated sulfur. The precipitated sulfur is extremely effective. The sublime-not so much. Also, petroleum jelly somehow make us exhausted over time. Try nature's jelly (Castor Oil base). This is a little bit thicker solution that is healthier for your skin and energy level. Hope this helps...

Precipitated sulfur should come with an MSDS. Mix with plastic spoons and bowls. Cover eyes and mouth. Store is cool, dry place etc. Read it up.

Oh....never never heat sulfur up. It turns into Sulfur Dioxide which is extremely toxic!!! Mix 10% by volume. I called my pharmacist on that one. It's about 2 Tablespoons to 1 Cup Natures's Jelly. I found it helpful to increase the dose to about 15% though.
Aaron

Hollywood, FL

#655 Dec 5, 2010
mee too wrote:
<quoted text>
No Im gonna take them to the shelter today but we fixed the dog and 2 cats a place outside. They dont have any signs so I have high hopes for them. I just wish I knew what type it is we have but I am really going to the extrreme. Do you think maybe why people dont get rid of them is they dont do their envoronment too? Or maybe not good enough. Its something that cant just be done once. Ive been walking around with a mixture of bleach and water mostly bleach spraying and wiping with a paper toweleverything we touch . Their is so much that I do their is no way to set and type it all. My family is getting irritated with me but when you feel your contaminating everything I think its necessary.
Yes, you can get reinfested from your environment, but from reading your posts, it appears that you have gone over and above, by getting rid of beds and everything else and all the work you are doing, you should be good. You have done 2 rounds of permethrin within one week. That is not time to give the eggs a change to hatch out and then you hit them again. When you are in post scabies, you will feel itching, but who knows if you are still infested? I am still concerned about your pets having this, but it could be that your son is the main carrier. I have no idea, though. I only know what you have told us. Stay diligent. I have heard that you still need to be diligent with a resistant strain of scabies for a month or more. With regular human scabies, that may be overkill. It all depends on the type of mite you have. Young kids get over this easily, unless they have an immunity issue going on with them. Keep us posted.
Aaron

Hollywood, FL

#656 Dec 5, 2010
From the thread called Scabies on Face??? Please read my symptoms...

post number 7

I was almost ready to give up too after several months of doing the Permethrin creme overnight treatment. I would be symptom free for a few days then I would start itching and show signs of infection. It is very discouraging. I finally got rid of mine by doing research and being persistent with getting medical attention from a supportive doctor.

My thoughts are that the Permethrin Creme treatment alone probably is effective but I somehow kept managing to reinfect myself after a few days. I did a lot of research and spoke with a few medical professionals and here is what worked for me.

1) I treated my animals with Frontline flea and tick monthly treatment (my vet told me there is an Insect Growth Regulator in the medication that will kill ALL insects--including the Scabies Mite).

2) I washed and dried all of my clothes and threw away most of my bedding and athletic shoes that could not be laundered such as pillows. In the unlikely event there were scabies living in my mattress I covered my bed with a dust mite/bed bug protective cover, made by Allergen Co. and available at Walmart.

3) I sprayed my car and home upholstery with Lice Spray from RiteAid. The active ingredient is the same quantity (.05% Permethrin) as that of the prescription topical cremes. As a follow-up to the upholstery surface treatment I also diluted Ivermectin Horse Paste (available at most horse and tackle supply stores) in a spray-bottle with hot water as a previous poster to this forum suggested, and treated all surfaces that could not be wiped with diluted bleach in my home and car.

4) My doctor gave me ORAL IVERMECTIN TABLETS (yes, they are LEGAL and easily available at most pharmacies in the US) AND Permethrin creme to use at the SAME time on the SAME day of treatment. I also used pure 100% Tea Tree Oil purchased from Walgreens as a topical aid. I bathed regularly with Dr. Bronner's Tea Tree Oil liquid soap.

For a few weeks after the treatment I still showed signs of infection and itching. My doctor assured me that this was common since my body was now sloughing off the dead mites and their eggs as well as regenerating new skin to heal the damaged skin.

It was only through a double-pronged approach of topical and oral medication was I able to be rid of this. I had a young doctor who believed me when I told her that I had scabies in my scalp and forehead as well as most of my body.

I no longer have any symptoms and believe myself to be cured. I would not wish this
Aaron

Hollywood, FL

#657 Dec 5, 2010
From the thread called Scabies is Highly Contagious, page 5

posts number 94 and 95

Ivermectin or "Stromectol" the prescription name), but doesnt explain it. It is a dewormer for animals(heartgard), BUT also is used for two diseases of humans. The two diseases are:river blindness (onchocerciasis) and a certain type of diarrhea (strongyloidiasis. IT IS NOW used "off label" for scabies, meaning it is still not approved for the use of scabies but doctors prescribe ivermectin for it anyways if the poison creams arent working for the patient or in immune system challenged people(HIV). NOW let me explain how easy it is to get! If your doctor wont prescribe it at first, then what you do is go to your local feed store(horses, cattle, etc) and buy ivermectin paste for horses. It comes in tubes for 1500 lb or 2500 lb. horse. DO NOT BUY ANY OTHER VERSION like injectable or topical. ONLY BUY PASTE. The tube has marks on it for every 250 lbs. of animal and the proper amount of medicine. the amount of ivermectin in it is already the same as stromectol...200 micrograms (mcg) per kilogram (kg)(91 mcg per pound) of body weight. This amount can be used on children above 35 lbs according to the medlineplus website. Google "oral ivermectin" and click on the second item which says "medlineplus drug information". Like i said it talks about stromectol not ivermectin horse paste BUT THE DOSE is the same. I weigh 230 lbs so i took the paste and filled a pill capsule i emptied of its previous contents. Of course i used the amount up to the first mark(250 lbs) on the ivermectin tube because thats close to what i weigh. You need to take less if you weigh less. Take it on an empty stomach with only one glass of water. You dont want to dilute it. I didnt put the capsule back together but swallowed the pieces separate...the only reason i even used the capsule is because it tastes bad. Obviously pregnant or lactating women should not use ivermectin, but I CANNOT FIND ANY NEWS on toxic side effects from ivermectin. ITS A LOT BETTER FOR you than all those poisons you are using on your body! Now my other reccommendation is to use the permethrin cream also. Than 7 days later use both again. and than 7 days later use both again. Dont listen to these doctors that say 1 or 2 coats kills all the scabies! IT JUST ISNT TRUE!! If you want cheap permethrin you can also buy a product at the same feed store call permethrin 10. It is just concentrated permethrin and thats it...no petroleum products. DO NOT BUY "High-Yield" permethrin concentrate though because it DOES have petroleum products. I'm going to continue in another comment the rest of my story.
Aaron

Hollywood, FL

#658 Dec 5, 2010
continued from last post.

i will now keep going. When you buy the permethrin-10(Martin's or durvet are good), You should dilute it in half of course which turns it into Permethrin 5 %.
You may need to buy some PBO concentrate on the internet to counteract the enzyme in the scabies bug which neutralizes Pyrethroids. They are a SURVIVOR! It isnt roaches that will some day rule the world...it is scabies! If you dont know what a pbo is than look it up on the internet. In "elimite 5% permethrin cream" or generic brand, which you are all using, the pbo is: butylated hydroxy-toluene. Thats right, Toluene, and we all know how dangerous that is. It is added to the permethrin to counter act the scabies enzyme which neutralizes pyrethroids, In other words straight permethrin WONT always kill them! If you use my over the counter feed store brand, you should add a pbo at 5%-10% to your homemade permethrin 5%. REMEMBER, its the pbo in these poisons that are bad for you...not the permethrin so BE CAREFUL! Just like its the pbo's and petroleum products in over the counter poisons like "Raid" that are bad for you as well. Permethrin(Pyrethroids is actually the name of all these poisons) itself is a synthetic(man-made) molecule that is exactly like the molecule that is naturally in the chrysanthemum plant. Thats what these pyrethroids are based on...a natural bug killer in chrysanthemums! The before mentioned permethrin 10 made into 5% by addding half water at the feed store should also be sprayed on your bedding and such or spray your clothes before washing as well.(The army already uses Permethrin 5% to coat clothing of military personnel) What the army does is soak the permetrhin 5 into the clothing and then let it dry. Then you can wash the coated clothing or anything and the permethrin 5 stays in the clothing for quite a while as a tick repellant. HUNTERS WILL BE USING THIS SOON as well because the outdoors magazines are saying permethrin 5%"clothes soak" will be okayed by the FDA soon or by whatever government body okays those things. There are other pyrethroids out there that ARE NOT GOOD for you so please stick with Permethrin only! Isnt it wierd that you cant buy permethrin 5 or 10 % OR Ivermectin(Stromectol) legally in a human form yet OTC(Over the counter), but you can go to your local feed store and get it ALL DAY LONG!! and its cheaper!(Same thing with some antibiotics by the way)

One more thing. Please DONT use these over the counter poisons like raid to spray your carpeting and bedding or bring in the local bug man to do the same. BELIEVE me, it is not the pyrethroids in those products that will take years off your life, but it is the pbo's and petroleum products in them that will.
in other words...the "inert" ingredients. Look at those products anyways and you will see most have less than 1% pyrethroid in them anyways, so they are only killing you, not the scabies mite! Get that permethrin-10(martins or durvet) at your local feed store and make your own SAFE bedding and carpet spray by diluting it in half with water(If you must than add a pbo at 5%-10% but try it without the pbo first)...Remember the ARMY does it that way already, and soon hunters will also. Any hunters out there? Dont wait for that "soak" product to be okayed. Make your own now!
mee too

Fayetteville, WV

#659 Dec 5, 2010
Aaron I just wrote a huge post of stuff that i have been doing and things before that may have caused this and dangit it didnt post but i have to go now it took me longer than i wanted to be on here to type it. I will type it later though. I am worried about lifelost.
FROMLA

United States

#660 Dec 6, 2010
Aaron wrote:
continued from last post.
i will now keep going. When you buy the permethrin-10(Martin's or durvet are good), You should dilute it in half of course which turns it into Permethrin 5 %.
You may need to buy some PBO concentrate on the internet to counteract the enzyme in the scabies bug which neutralizes Pyrethroids. They are a SURVIVOR! It isnt roaches that will some day rule the world...it is scabies! If you dont know what a pbo is than look it up on the internet. In "elimite 5% permethrin cream" or generic brand, which you are all using, the pbo is: butylated hydroxy-toluene. Thats right, Toluene, and we all know how dangerous that is. It is added to the permethrin to counter act the scabies enzyme which neutralizes pyrethroids, In other words straight permethrin WONT always kill them! If you use my over the counter feed store brand, you should add a pbo at 5%-10% to your homemade permethrin 5%. REMEMBER, its the pbo in these poisons that are bad for you...not the permethrin so BE CAREFUL! Just like its the pbo's and petroleum products in over the counter poisons like "Raid" that are bad for you as well. Permethrin(Pyrethroids is actually the name of all these poisons) itself is a synthetic(man-made) molecule that is exactly like the molecule that is naturally in the chrysanthemum plant. Thats what these pyrethroids are based on...a natural bug killer in chrysanthemums! The before mentioned permethrin 10 made into 5% by addding half water at the feed store should also be sprayed on your bedding and such or spray your clothes before washing as well.(The army already uses Permethrin 5% to coat clothing of military personnel) What the army does is soak the permetrhin 5 into the clothing and then let it dry. Then you can wash the coated clothing or anything and the permethrin 5 stays in the clothing for quite a while as a tick repellant. HUNTERS WILL BE USING THIS SOON as well because the outdoors magazines are saying permethrin 5%"clothes soak" will be okayed by the FDA soon or by whatever government body okays those things. There are other pyrethroids out there that ARE NOT GOOD for you so please stick with Permethrin only! Isnt it wierd that you cant buy permethrin 5 or 10 % OR Ivermectin(Stromectol) legally in a human form yet OTC(Over the counter), but you can go to your local feed store and get it ALL DAY LONG!! and its cheaper!(Same thing with some antibiotics by the way)
One more thing. Please DONT use these over the counter poisons like raid to spray your carpeting and bedding or bring in the local bug man to do the same. BELIEVE me, it is not the pyrethroids in those products that will take years off your life, but it is the pbo's and petroleum products in them that will.
in other words...the "inert" ingredients. Look at those products anyways and you will see most have less than 1% pyrethroid in them anyways, so they are only killing you, not the scabies mite! Get that permethrin-10(martins or durvet) at your local feed store and make your own SAFE bedding and carpet spray by diluting it in half with water(If you must than add a pbo at 5%-10% but try it without the pbo first)...Remember the ARMY does it that way already, and soon hunters will also. Any hunters out there? Dont wait for that "soak" product to be okayed. Make your own now!
An advice worth GOLD..thank you Aaron
mee too

Fayetteville, WV

#661 Dec 6, 2010
God please give me strenghth. I am killing myself with all i have to do. Is their a topic of different people who has over came this. Sometimes it gets discourageing reading stuff on here. Im in my depressed mood. Its like their is so much to do with all the extra cleaning plus the things you have to do everyday.
FROMLA

United States

#662 Dec 6, 2010
Aaron wrote:
continued from last post.
the pbo is: butylated hydroxy-toluene. Thats right, Toluene, and we all know how dangerous that is. It is added to the permethrin to counter act the scabies enzyme which neutralizes pyrethroids, In other words straight permethrin WONT always kill them! If you use my over the counter feed store brand, you should add a pbo at 5%-10% to your homemade permethrin 5%. REMEMBER, its the pbo in these poisons that are bad for you...not the permethrin so BE CAREFUL! Just like its the pbo's and petroleum products in over the counter poisons like "Raid" that are bad for you as well.
I have found a difference between butylated hydroxy-toluene ( which is BHT) and Toluene ( Methylbenzene or Phenylmethane. I tried many ways to seek it under PBO to no avail. Can you help me by identifying it. It will great man.

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#663 Dec 6, 2010
mee too wrote:
God please give me strenghth. I am killing myself with all i have to do. Is their a topic of different people who has over came this. Sometimes it gets discourageing reading stuff on here. Im in my depressed mood. Its like their is so much to do with all the extra cleaning plus the things you have to do everyday.
mee too---PLEASE give yourself a break. I decided for myself a while back, that my environment will have to get better as I get better. If I wear myself out cleaning everything at 100%, I won't get better because my body will be so stressed; not to mention that if I'm still "infected", my environment will also only continue to be "infected". You still get to enjoy life, your husband, your kids, and all things. Your living space will improve with less effort, so long as you and your family are improving. Keep yourselves as health as possible, and eventually you'll beat the buggers!
Please do take care!!!
Aaron

Hollywood, FL

#664 Dec 6, 2010
FROMLA wrote:
<quoted text>
I have found a difference between butylated hydroxy-toluene ( which is BHT) and Toluene ( Methylbenzene or Phenylmethane. I tried many ways to seek it under PBO to no avail. Can you help me by identifying it. It will great man.
I just use the Happy Jack Kennel Dip II (8 ounces container)
It contains Permethrin 17%
Piperonyl Butoxide Technical 4.25
dilute with 8 ounces of a good lotion to get it down to 8% permethrin, or 9 ounces of lotion to get it down to about 7% permethrin.
Aaron

Hollywood, FL

#665 Dec 6, 2010
mee too wrote:
Aaron I just wrote a huge post of stuff that i have been doing and things before that may have caused this and dangit it didnt post but i have to go now it took me longer than i wanted to be on here to type it. I will type it later though. I am worried about lifelost.
I agree with Sig. Take a BREAK. relax. have a drink.
watch a show. go out with the kids somewhere. PLAY. you have to take some breaks. seriously.
you may want to go to a doctor and get yourself a med to relax, and to help you SLEEP.
Yes, these mites will thrive on a stressed body. Rey Rey on here used to come home from work every night and clean his home until 2 a.m. in the morning. He stressed himself out so much that he got sick. You just can't do everything.
TAKE A BREAK!!!
The kids feel your stress. It's not good.
Aaron

Hollywood, FL

#666 Dec 6, 2010
This forum sucks sometimes when you want to post.

If you think you are going to type a really long post, do it in a WORD DOCUMENT. and copy and paste it onto the forum box. this will help you to not lose information.
mee too

Fayetteville, WV

#667 Dec 6, 2010
I know I need a break but I just want this gone. I cant imagine dealing with this for a long time which I feel I will always be changed and do things diffferent but I feel for my kids to have to deal with me. They dont understand. My 4 yr old is the hardest my 2 boys have done well with wearing gloves and all the extra stuff.

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#668 Dec 6, 2010
We all want it gone.
I think the biggest part of not being able to clear this crap up in any way easily, is that so many bugs and bacteria have become resistant to the usual treatments that used to work.

We get smarter...so do the critters of ALL kinds.
I can't imagine the kids would understand. Keep it together for them AND yourself.

I agree about a med to help you relax. I use Valerian (also available as Herbal (Valerian) Calming Blend) for sleep sometimes. Available in the herbs and supplement aisle. If I'm expecting a tedious or "trying" day, I'll use 1 or 2. I say it makes everything s m o o t h e.
Doc would likely help you with something.
MEE TOO

Fayetteville, WV

#669 Dec 6, 2010
I know we all want it gone bless all of us. Noone understands but people that has gone through it. I am 30 and I have learned to never judge people. So far in my life all of my strugles has made me a stronger person. Im trying really hard to keep it together thanks to you and Aaron its my highlight and the only break to get on here. Im so glad I stumbled up on this forum. Im getting better with my sleeping. I was waking up and instantly it was on my mind.
MEE TOO

Fayetteville, WV

#670 Dec 7, 2010
How long should we wait to touch the stuff outside? Its been really cold but scared for my husband to touch the beds, couch ect. we all are doing better. My little girl itches more now but where we have been cleaning scared shes got em on her. She hates cloths its been hard to get her to keep cloths on. I havent been that successful with that, thats why i want to clean everything everyday. My yard looks like a dump site and thats no joke.

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