Sam? Do scabies crawl OUTSIDE the skin when people bathe?

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Welty

AOL

#1 Dec 6, 2007
Sam & others, as a serious, dedicated bather, I'm highly interested to know this ... I thought that the mites made their way to your scalp UNDER your skin when you bathed ... to parts of you above the water line, you know, burrowing.
It makes sense that if they crawl OUTSIDE, that if you use a bath oil with the borax, and soak for a good half hour in hot, hot water, that they can't crawl up past the bath oil floating on the water and the dumb ones will drown trying to climb??? If they can't burrow fast enough? Maybe you could mix a small amount of MSM sulfer in your conditioner and have that on your head, too, waiting for them if they get there!(Rinse that under the shower). I started out with scalp involvement, am a bather, but I like the idea of frying them in a hot tub of water and having sulfer around your neck and sulfer conditioner in your hair in case, maybe add the sulfer later to your already conditioner-coated hair at the end and leave it for the last l0 minutes or so.(I don't know if Sulfer is okay for hair or not, will try myself and report on this, but it seems like the conditioner would protect your hair, not sure about colored hair), but I'm willing to try this when I get my MSM powder in a few days. Anyway, any answers to my original question?(Do they move outside the body when you bathe?)
zooks

Orlando, FL

#2 Dec 6, 2007
Welty
Putting sulfur in your hair appeared to give me dandruf (never had it before) BUT I dont know how thats possible because anti dandruf shampoo like head and shoulders contains sulfur. I did get good results though, I developed itching and bumps in my hair (yes due to bathing with no vaseline or like you suggest, sulfur protecting my hair) and the sulfur cleared it up and no more itch.

The young mites DO walk over the skin, Possibly the adult males too. They walk about an inch in a minute or two, which if you ask me is pretty darn quick. So yes the oil in your bath will catch some. But what happened with me is that I didnt know that they could even get in your hair (you know the old story, because of my doctor.)And when I started taking tones of baths with all sorts in them (borax, dumb enzymes that didnt work, Tea tree oil etc) the problem areas I had also included my chest and neck - so the neck area just drove them right up into my hair.

BUt as you are wise to this possibility I think a deterant like sulfur will still allow for your steamy baths :) perhaps you could still put vaseline around your neck too, its a real nightmare having them in your hair, especially long hair.
Welty

AOL

#3 Dec 8, 2007
zooks wrote:
Welty
Putting sulfur in your hair appeared to give me dandruf (never had it before) BUT I dont know how thats possible because anti dandruf shampoo like head and shoulders contains sulfur. I did get good results though, I developed itching and bumps in my hair (yes due to bathing with no vaseline or like you suggest, sulfur protecting my hair) and the sulfur cleared it up and no more itch.
The young mites DO walk over the skin, Possibly the adult males too. They walk about an inch in a minute or two, which if you ask me is pretty darn quick. So yes the oil in your bath will catch some. But what happened with me is that I didnt know that they could even get in your hair (you know the old story, because of my doctor.)And when I started taking tones of baths with all sorts in them (borax, dumb enzymes that didnt work, Tea tree oil etc) the problem areas I had also included my chest and neck - so the neck area just drove them right up into my hair.
BUt as you are wise to this possibility I think a deterant like sulfur will still allow for your steamy baths :) perhaps you could still put vaseline around your neck too, its a real nightmare having them in your hair, especially long hair.
Thanks for the info, Zooks! Love fun facts about scabies. An inch a minute? I'm going to be amazing if they ever have a Trivial Pursuit parasite edition. Hey, that's the first laugh I've had about this and I sure needed a little comic relief. Can't help wanting to learn as much as I can and I appreciate finding out this stuff, because it's not in the usual tiny abstracts which are pretty useless.
Anyway, I guess that's quite fast for their size, but I think putting conditioner around your neck and shampoo or conditioner on your hair might make things a little too slippery for them above the waterline. I start out with my hair underwater too, for five full hot minutes and a total l5 or 20 minute bath and rinse hair at the end.(Hair is shoulder length bob) I haven't had any involvement of hands or feet, I think the hot bath water might be killing some of them. After my nightly bath, I swab with a gel alchohol hand sanitizer on the itchy spots, leave for l5 - 20 seonds, and this is key, before it dries, I wipe hard and toss the kleenex into the trash and use a new one again as suggested by a fellow poster. I thought what the heckm because they had some at the store, but it really seems to work. Then I flouride the individual spots with ACT mouthwash, an off label use if there ever was one. I know that Roach powder is quite often laden with Flouride, and I don't really like Flouride in my drinking water, but I dab the freshest spots with a drop of ACT after the gel alchohol. I think the alchohol hand gel sanitizer does stop the itch and might get a free mite or two, especially if done right after a hot bath. I think that a judicious drop of ACT flouride mouthwash might even kill them. It's been helping while I wait for my meds to come by mail. I must thank a fellow poster about the gel hand sanitizer because it really seems to help me a lot, just use it on the itchy areas and I am giving everything a try that I can. She said she can see mites with a white kleenex. I sure appreciate you posting and answering my question, it makes me feel more powerful to know more about this pest, you are so helpful and I appreciate you more than you'll ever know. My best, Welty
zooks

Orlando, FL

#4 Dec 8, 2007
welty
I did the alcohol hand sanatizer idea too, and I know it did something, I think I did it 3 times a day for a couple of weeks. Then I just started doing every other thing I could get my hands on. Its really hard to stick it out with just one good idea when you are frantic!!! I also bath in mouth wash, with vaseline around my neck. I got the idea from another poster. It does seem to help, as I get crawling sensations. It appears to loosen them off the skin as I dont feel anything until the next morning when i do that. So both those ideas I second as very helpful to use in conjunction with the meds. I have not tried the flouride idea. hmmmmm. Right now I am doing MSM lotion and want to do it for a week, so I will resist the urge to try something else.
I still have them in my hair, I feel them some times. And the awful thing is I have long mid way down the back hair and can't go to a hair dresser, I am having a hard time getting lotions and potions in it, I also think the length of hair is a fomite in itself.
I appreciate your ideas, and what is helping you out. This forum is a blessing isnt it, I thought I was the only one who couldnt get rid of these things the conventional way. My kids and husband would have been just fine with the 2 applications of perm, but not me, so 3 months later its still in our house. So all these ideas and options really help. especially when the doctors wont, or just dont understand what we are up against.
You have a great day Welty. Its the christmas season, so do something that makes you happy today!
It snowed last night so I am going to play with my kids in the snow. I have been depressed for too long, its time to Party!!! mites and all!!!
Scabies 3

Hollywood, FL

#5 Dec 8, 2007
zooks wrote:
welty
I did the alcohol hand sanatizer idea too, and I know it did something, I think I did it 3 times a day for a couple of weeks. Then I just started doing every other thing I could get my hands on. Its really hard to stick it out with just one good idea when you are frantic!!! I also bath in mouth wash, with vaseline around my neck. I got the idea from another poster. It does seem to help, as I get crawling sensations. It appears to loosen them off the skin as I dont feel anything until the next morning when i do that. So both those ideas I second as very helpful to use in conjunction with the meds. I have not tried the flouride idea. hmmmmm. Right now I am doing MSM lotion and want to do it for a week, so I will resist the urge to try something else.
I still have them in my hair, I feel them some times. And the awful thing is I have long mid way down the back hair and can't go to a hair dresser, I am having a hard time getting lotions and potions in it, I also think the length of hair is a fomite in itself.
I appreciate your ideas, and what is helping you out. This forum is a blessing isnt it, I thought I was the only one who couldnt get rid of these things the conventional way. My kids and husband would have been just fine with the 2 applications of perm, but not me, so 3 months later its still in our house. So all these ideas and options really help. especially when the doctors wont, or just dont understand what we are up against.
You have a great day Welty. Its the christmas season, so do something that makes you happy today!
It snowed last night so I am going to play with my kids in the snow. I have been depressed for too long, its time to Party!!! mites and all!!!
Zooks. Why don't you get a nice short cut? something different and pretty. you won't infest the hairdresser, if you are using meds and MSM, etc. It would help in your fight against the monster mites.
Mite Killer

Rancho Santa Fe, CA

#6 Dec 8, 2007
Mary, how can possibly predict that a person who has scabies would not be contagious? Unless a person is cured there is always a chance they could infect another host. Letting someone spend time touching an infested person puts that other person at risk. Scabies could shut down a hair salon and put alot of people out of work. It's not fair to take that risk.

I don't think Zooks would knowingly put anyone at risk of catching sarcoptic mites.
Miserable in SA

AOL

#7 Dec 9, 2007
zooks wrote:
welty
I did the alcohol hand sanatizer idea too, and I know it did something, I think I did it 3 times a day for a couple of weeks. Then I just started doing every other thing I could get my hands on. Its really hard to stick it out with just one good idea when you are frantic!!! I also bath in mouth wash, with vaseline around my neck. I got the idea from another poster. It does seem to help, as I get crawling sensations. It appears to loosen them off the skin as I dont feel anything until the next morning when i do that. So both those ideas I second as very helpful to use in conjunction with the meds. I have not tried the flouride idea. hmmmmm. Right now I am doing MSM lotion and want to do it for a week, so I will resist the urge to try something else.
I still have them in my hair, I feel them some times. And the awful thing is I have long mid way down the back hair and can't go to a hair dresser, I am having a hard time getting lotions and potions in it, I also think the length of hair is a fomite in itself.
I appreciate your ideas, and what is helping you out. This forum is a blessing isnt it, I thought I was the only one who couldnt get rid of these things the conventional way. My kids and husband would have been just fine with the 2 applications of perm, but not me, so 3 months later its still in our house. So all these ideas and options really help. especially when the doctors wont, or just dont understand what we are up against.
You have a great day Welty. Its the christmas season, so do something that makes you happy today!
It snowed last night so I am going to play with my kids in the snow. I have been depressed for too long, its time to Party!!! mites and all!!!
Good Idea - Vaseline around neck. Moisturing and mite busting. Thanks for tip. MIS
zooks

Orlando, FL

#8 Dec 9, 2007
Scabies 3 and Mite killer
You know your both right. The hair needs to go, I have to get a short cut. I have had long hair my entire life so it might be nice for a change...
I think the possibility of spreading this while on treatment isnt that high. I would do iver and perm for a few days first. But I think the best option for me is to go to a friend of mine who cuts hair, and have her wear latex gloves. Those gloves keep anything out right? Even mites?
By the way we had such a fun day yesterday!! Just attempting to forget about all this for one entire day really helped! the snow was pretty too. So I suggest that to anyone who gets that desperate feeling, just drop it all!!! and do something to take your mind off it!!! just for a day, then resume the fight tomorrow!(but I still couldnt resist the usual sheet changing clothes changing, I think thats a must but minus cleaning it was a fun relaxing day)
thanks for all your advice!!!!!!
Scabies3

Hollywood, FL

#9 Dec 9, 2007
Mite Killer wrote:
Mary, how can possibly predict that a person who has scabies would not be contagious? Unless a person is cured there is always a chance they could infect another host. Letting someone spend time touching an infested person puts that other person at risk. Scabies could shut down a hair salon and put alot of people out of work. It's not fair to take that risk.
I don't think Zooks would knowingly put anyone at risk of catching sarcoptic mites.
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah... blah, blah.
Scabies3

Hollywood, FL

#10 Dec 9, 2007
zooks wrote:
Scabies 3 and Mite killer
You know your both right. The hair needs to go, I have to get a short cut. I have had long hair my entire life so it might be nice for a change...
I think the possibility of spreading this while on treatment isnt that high. I would do iver and perm for a few days first. But I think the best option for me is to go to a friend of mine who cuts hair, and have her wear latex gloves. Those gloves keep anything out right? Even mites?
By the way we had such a fun day yesterday!! Just attempting to forget about all this for one entire day really helped! the snow was pretty too. So I suggest that to anyone who gets that desperate feeling, just drop it all!!! and do something to take your mind off it!!! just for a day, then resume the fight tomorrow!(but I still couldnt resist the usual sheet changing clothes changing, I think thats a must but minus cleaning it was a fun relaxing day)
thanks for all your advice!!!!!!
zooks, i'm glad you had fun. make a snowball for me please and throw it at....
don't worry, you don't have to overdose on ivermectin just because been there is scolding me. just do your regular things and be done with it. just think how many people on this forum did their own thing and never said a word to the forum what they did. I can just imagine. It's a good thing they didn't say anything; otherwise, the wicked witch of the west would come flying down on them.
Scabies3

Hollywood, FL

#11 Dec 9, 2007
Mite Killer wrote:
Mary, how can possibly predict that a person who has scabies would not be contagious? Unless a person is cured there is always a chance they could infect another host. Letting someone spend time touching an infested person puts that other person at risk. Scabies could shut down a hair salon and put alot of people out of work. It's not fair to take that risk.
I don't think Zooks would knowingly put anyone at risk of catching sarcoptic mites.
....shut down a hair salon.... hey, don't you have a shut-down button, been there?
itched out

Oreland, PA

#12 Aug 22, 2008
been lurking here. thanks for all the info. yesterday i did the full body with perm... left it on 24 hours. I took a bath and within 20 minutes could feel them all over me again.

when i went to bed they were bothering me so I remembered reading that they crawled along on the skin and burrowed to lay the eggs. I began thinking they have to mate before having eggs to lay so I went to my laundry room and grabbed my lint roller, it has tape on it that picks up lint.
Every time I felt a crawly, I ran the roller over that area, the itch would stop immediately. This might work. I think it might only be a day or so before I get them.
also, I have some cream from when my husband was burnt. Silvadene... it helps the healing, calms down the irritation quick.
Mite Killer

San Diego, CA

#13 Aug 22, 2008
itched out wrote:
been lurking here. thanks for all the info. yesterday i did the full body with perm... left it on 24 hours. I took a bath and within 20 minutes could feel them all over me again.
when i went to bed they were bothering me so I remembered reading that they crawled along on the skin and burrowed to lay the eggs. I began thinking they have to mate before having eggs to lay so I went to my laundry room and grabbed my lint roller, it has tape on it that picks up lint.
Every time I felt a crawly, I ran the roller over that area, the itch would stop immediately. This might work. I think it might only be a day or so before I get them.
also, I have some cream from when my husband was burnt. Silvadene... it helps the healing, calms down the irritation quick.
Excellent advice!

A few other posters have tried this too. duck tape should work as well but probably painfull to rip off. Silvadene is great stuff.
Mite Killer

San Diego, CA

#14 Aug 22, 2008
Scabies3 wrote:
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....shut down a hair salon.... hey, don't you have a shut-down button, been there?
NO
Been there

Puyallup, WA

#16 Jan 5, 2009
Tea Tree Oil...that's the secret Tree oil...don't waste your money buying a book...what works for one person. won't necessarily work for another!!

I ended up going to the store and purchasing Lice treatment creams...put it on my body...once a night, showered in the mornings, after a few nights of this....yes it COULD be dangerous, but it could also be dangerous for a person lacking sleep to drive and kill someone. I didn't get sick from it...most people are smart enough not to put it in their mouths.

just thought I would put that out there, as I have been there, and felt the itch and would NEVER want to go through that again.
kathy

Thunder Bay, Canada

#17 Jan 16, 2009
When I had scabies it was the most horrible thing , I felt uncomfortable around everyone and thought it would never end,there is a quick way to end your breakout safely. Permethrin does not work folks if you have had scabies for a couple weeks and it is dangerous.

"STOP Scabies Pain And Itching From Home, In 24 Hours Or Less With No Doctors, No Wasted Money, And No Drugs..."

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no one u know

Spokane, WA

#18 Nov 18, 2010
omg do u have to get all of ur hair off????!!! i dont want tht because at my school they will make fun of me!!!! and i am just 9 :,( and i have been itching on my head so yeah :,(
Aaron

Hollywood, FL

#19 Nov 19, 2010
no one u know wrote:
omg do u have to get all of ur hair off????!!! i dont want tht because at my school they will make fun of me!!!! and i am just 9 :,( and i have been itching on my head so yeah :,(
No, you do not have to cut all your hair off. What you can do is put your hair up in a pony tail, getting it off your face. Use the head and shoulders in the blue bottle with selinium sulfide 1% and use it almost daily. This will help control the mites in your scalp. If you are 9 years old, you consult with your parents, and make sure they take you to the family doctor for a diagnosis and treatment schedule. Don't do anything, including the Head and Shoulders without talking to your parents, first. They have to get you the proper help that you need.
Also, if you are nine years old, how is it that you are on a scabies forum without your mom and dad knowing what forum that you are on. Where are your parents? And why are they not monitoring your internet usage? You may have head lice, who knows....
itchn in AK

Eagle River, AK

#20 Apr 1, 2011
Aaron wrote:
<quoted text>
No, you do not have to cut all your hair off. What you can do is put your hair up in a pony tail, getting it off your face. Use the head and shoulders in the blue bottle with selinium sulfide 1% and use it almost daily. This will help control the mites in your scalp. If you are 9 years old, you consult with your parents, and make sure they take you to the family doctor for a diagnosis and treatment schedule. Don't do anything, including the Head and Shoulders without talking to your parents, first. They have to get you the proper help that you need.
Also, if you are nine years old, how is it that you are on a scabies forum without your mom and dad knowing what forum that you are on. Where are your parents? And why are they not monitoring your internet usage? You may have head lice, who knows....
...or cooties!!!
itchn in AK

Eagle River, AK

#21 Apr 1, 2011
Alot of those techniques I have do work...you have to be persistant. Scabies are just as persistant, dont give up. Hydrogen peroxide works effectively, it will fade any skin discoloration. Pretty neat!! Good luck to you all!

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