Poor Man's Protocol for Morgellons (a...

Poor Man's Protocol for Morgellons (and biting mites)

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Joe

Hollywood, FL

#1 Jul 7, 2010
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/birdmite...

What do you think about this protocol?
merry beth

Ashburn, VA

#2 Jul 8, 2010
Joe wrote:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com /group/birdmitesorg/message/25 284
What do you think about this protocol?
There have been several over there that is cured or getting there.
and all have been working on their health. When the immune system is down for some reason these bugs seem to be more attracted to us. I cant say it is always this way of course but
I have been asking questions and this seems to be what is said most of the time. It may start out with some kind of mite but along with them comes spraying and using on our bodies things that were never meant to be used on us. This is not good for our health, it breaks down the immune system.
It seems that when the health gets better from one good protocol or other, the bugs are not so attracted to us any more. Just my
thoughts, what do you say?
Joe

Hollywood, FL

#3 Jul 8, 2010
I don't know, merry beth. I printed out his protocol and I read it at my leisure. I've been through this before, many years ago, learning about supplements and such, when I continously caught colds from working too many hours and raising two children on my own, etc. He mentions that he takes no multiple vitamins and I am an avid multiple vitamin taker. His amino acids, the proteins that he is taking, sounds good, the coconut oil, both internally and externally... all good stuff. I am thinking that maybe he was like all the rest of us and abused his body before he caught his mites and just got wise and started into the healthy stuff, because nothing else would work for him. Exercise is essential, too. There are things that all of us here are doing that is just not good for us. It's just that we have to make up our minds when we will get serious and get on it...
But, at some point, you just want to relax and not be on this 24/7, so it's a catch 22...
The fish oil that he speaks of sounds really good, so I'm going to buy some...
Vizio

Sweetwater, TN

#4 Jul 17, 2010
Joe,

Thanks for posting this link. I was reading on his blog today and he does have some good information in there.
Armed and Fabulous

San Rafael, CA

#5 Jul 17, 2010
Hi Joe,
Thanks for posting this. I put off really looking at it for a while because it goes so in depth..but it was a really good thing for me to take stock of what I'm taking and why as well as entertaining the thought of trying a few new things. I do like that Mr. Common Sense rotates in these various products as he feels the need. That makes a lot of 'sense' and is more realistic.

I'm somewhat familiar with various supplements. Ten years ago a good friend rescued me when I was 'circling the drain' after several years of poorly diagnosed autoimmune conditions. He was, and has been my vitamin/supplement guru. My current doctor is part of a practice with a lot of nutritional medicine practitioners, so I've also found some good products through them.

Like you, I like to take a multi-vitamin supplement. I find that the liquid ones work better for me, and my current favorite is 'Source of Life' by Natural Organics Laboratories. It doesn't have the amino acids component of the last liquid I was taking, but has a lot of 'green stuff' in it, that seems to help me right now.

Going down the list of the Poor Man's Protocol, here's how it shakes out for me personally (following comments are specific to me and my condition, but could help-??):

Fish Oil -
I pretty much take this all the time..and lots of it. His product looks pretty good. The one I take is Nordic Naturals Ultimate Omega, it has 225mg DHA per cap (compared to his 280).

Coconut Oil-
I know this is supposed to be good internally, and have tried it many times, great in small amounts for sauteing etc....BUT, my stomach is a little to wrecked for this still. So, every once in a while I try it again to see how it goes..nope, still no-can-do.
Great for hair though, in small amounts.

MSM-
I take this in another supplement (InflaMed) about 1000mg per day when I can remember. Not sure how much he is recommending here.

Magnesium-
I do know that this is good, but haven't supplemented with it beyond the 25 mg in my daily multi-vitamin.

Amino Acids-
N-A-C-
This sounds like a good one..might consider adding this. A pre-curser to glutathione (but can only function with adequate levels of selenium -see below).

L-Carnitine, Glutamine etc.-
I'm not a vegetarian, so probably won't add these right now.(But am considering adding Alpha Lipoic Acid..see below).

Co Q 10-
Have tried before..didn't do much for me.

Iodoral Iodine-
I just use sea salt in food, and take thyroid meds for Hashimoto's thyroiditis..so probably would skip this myself.

B Complex-
My mom was big on this..so I take it when I remember, but use the sublingual liquid (also some B vitamins in my multi and adrenal supp. below)

True Protein-
geccchkkk...

Probiotic-
Yes..(plus GLA below)

Sulphur Soap-
Yes...lot's of it, but rotate some liquid soap with tea tree every once in a while when my skin is getting wrecked.

Peppermint Soap-
smile..hippie soap from back in the day.
sure, I'd use this, but am a little scared of experimenting much with the laundry.
Armed and Fabulous

San Rafael, CA

#6 Jul 17, 2010
And, as if that wasn't long enough.... A FEW ADDS :

GLA (gamma linoleic acid)-
In addition to the fish oil, I like to take a supplement that has GLA (gamma linoleic acid). This can be from black currant oil, evening primrose oil, borage/starflower oil, or spirulina.
It's am omega 6, but without the inflammmatory properties, helpful for skin conditions, as well as being a food that helps good bacteria thrive, and the bad bacteria, like candida, don't like it at all.

Selenium-
The way it has been explained to me, Selenium fights off germ infections by feeding the atacking viruses and stopping them from attacking healthy cells, and it helps in the production of white blood cells and T cells. This is how it is good for your immune system. A lower reserve of selenium reduces the amount of glutathione peroxidase produced in the body and greatly reduces the body's defenses. Glutathione peroxidase is used for detoxification and breakdown of environmental toxins in our system (mostly in the liver).
I take up to 300 mcg of selenium per day total.

ALA (Alpha Lipoic Acid)-
I haven't tried this yet, but am thinking of starting.
It's an antioxidant, which among other things cleans up behind white blood cells when bacteria and viruses are killed, and also raises the levels of glutathione.

Adrenal Support-
Those of us who have been through the mite experience have probably experience some adrenal fatigue. This is a supplement from my doctor that has felt great to me:
Xymogen "Adrenal Essence".
It contains B vitamins and PABA among other things. PABA was one of the key supplements that my friend suggested 10 years ago. I don't know what it does, but it works for me.

MSM, tumeric, bromelain & etc-
Another good one from my doctor -all purpose goodness:-)
Allergy Research Group "InflaMed"

that's it!
Armed and Fabulous

San Rafael, CA

#7 Jul 17, 2010
This was supposed to post first..not sure what happened there:

Hi Joe,
Thanks for posting this. I put off really looking at it for a while because it goes so in depth..but it was a really good thing for me to take stock of what I'm taking and why as well as entertaining the thought of trying a few new things. I do like that Mr. Common Sense rotates in these various products as he feels the need. That makes a lot of 'sense' and is more realistic.

I'm somewhat familiar with various supplements. Ten years ago a good friend rescued me when I was 'circling the drain' after several years of poorly diagnosed autoimmune conditions. He was, and has been my vitamin/supplement guru. My current doctor is part of a practice with a lot of nutritional medicine practitioners, so I've also found some good products through them.

Like you, I like to take a multi-vitamin supplement. I find that the liquid ones work better for me, and my current favorite is 'Source of Life' by Natural Organics Laboratories. It doesn't have the amino acids component of the last liquid I was taking, but has a lot of 'green stuff' in it, that seems to help me right now.

Going down the list of the Poor Man's Protocol, here's how it shakes out for me personally (following comments are specific to me and my condition, but could help-??):

Fish Oil -
I pretty much take this all the time..and lots of it. His product looks pretty good. The one I take is Nordic Naturals Ultimate Omega, it has 225mg DHA per cap (compared to his 280).

Coconut Oil-
I know this is supposed to be good internally, and have tried it many times, great in small amounts for sauteing etc....BUT, my stomach is a little to wrecked for this still. So, every once in a while I try it again to see how it goes..nope, still no-can-do.
Great for hair though, in small amounts.

MSM-
I take this in another supplement (InflaMed) about 1000mg per day when I can remember. Not sure how much he is recommending here.

Magnesium-
I do know that this is good, but haven't supplemented with it beyond the 25 mg in my daily multi-vitamin.

Amino Acids-
N-A-C-
This sounds like a good one..might consider adding this. A pre-curser to glutathione (but can only function with adequate levels of selenium -see below).

L-Carnitine, Glutamine etc.-
I'm not a vegetarian, so probably won't add these right now.(But am considering adding Alpha Lipoic Acid..see below).

Co Q 10-
Have tried before..didn't do much for me.

Iodoral Iodine-
I just use sea salt in food, and take thyroid meds for Hashimoto's thyroiditis..so probably would skip this myself.

B Complex-
My mom was big on this..so I take it when I remember, but use the sublingual liquid (also some B vitamins in my multi and adrenal supp. below)

True Protein-
geccchkkk...

Probiotic-
Yes..(plus GLA below)

Sulphur Soap-
Yes...lot's of it, but rotate some liquid soap with tea tree every once in a while when my skin is getting wrecked.

Peppermint Soap-
smile..hippie soap from back in the day.
sure, I'd use this, but am a little scared of experimenting much with the laundry.
Armed and Fabulous

San Rafael, CA

#8 Jul 17, 2010
ok, so it appeared..go figure.
Joe

Hollywood, FL

#9 Jul 17, 2010
oomputers.... i think my computer needs some vitamins. yeah, i added a few to my regime since i read his stuff. like the fish oil and i added flaxseed oil, and mikey told me about selinium. i should do an amino acid mix, though. i will have to read yours more indepth. i lost my audio on my computer, so i'm all bummed about that right now. i really am trying to stay on top of all the supplements. i am wondering if they are all putting a load on my liver, though. that worries me.
Armed and Fabulous

San Rafael, CA

#10 Jul 17, 2010
Hi Joe,
Just so you know, I didn't tag your post as 'nuts', and am not sure what the person that did could be referring to (well maybe the computer taking vitamins..but jeez :-))).
You probably don't need to worry about these supplements putting a load your liver, actually they are meant to do the opposite and in correct dosages actually protect the liver.
The ALA I mentioned would be the only one that requires a degree of caution. From what I've read, if you are deficient in B vitamins it's not so great to take it.
Gotta run, have about 12 pills to take :-)
-armed
Joe

Hollywood, FL

#11 Jul 17, 2010
they don't know me or care to know me. it's cool. they are jealous.
Vizio

Bellevue, MI

#13 Jul 18, 2010
Hi A & F,

Thanks for your breakdown too. What would you recommend for a good B complex to take in liquid form?
Armed and Fabulous

San Rafael, CA

#14 Jul 18, 2010
Vizio wrote:
Hi A & F,
Thanks for your breakdown too. What would you recommend for a good B complex to take in liquid form?
Right now I'm just using Nature's Bounty Sublingual Liquid B complex with B12
Vizio

Statesville, NC

#15 Jul 20, 2010
Thanks A & F for all the info. I've recently added Selenium to my supplement intake and it seems to be making a difference already. The NAC he suggests is something that looks good too.
Joe

Hollywood, FL

#16 Jul 21, 2010
http://www.cellscience.com/Reviews1/Importanc...

Promoting bacterial culture : the importance of Probiotics and Prebiotics to Good Health
Joe

Hollywood, FL

#18 Jul 21, 2010
EMM

Tulsa, OK

#19 Jul 21, 2010
Joe wrote:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com /group/birdmitesorg/message/25 284
What do you think about this protocol?
I think it is a placed advertisement and wonder if you are as well.
merry beth

Ashburn, VA

#20 Jul 21, 2010
Joe wrote:
http://www.cellscience.com/Rev iews1/Importance_of_Probiotics _and_Prebiotics_to_Health.html
Promoting bacterial culture : the importance of Probiotics and Prebiotics to Good Health
All of these are very good and it sure can't hurt? Right? I think that we are all stressed out and that depletes us pretty bad. I personally am doing a detox. I feel that all that I went through with 2 surgeries in November and December is why my immune system got so low. I feel taht I need stuff out of my body and the only way is a good detox. I was told by someone today that we all need to detox our liver. So we need to take out the bad and put in good. What do you guys think?
Joe

Hollywood, FL

#21 Jul 21, 2010
EMM, I started this thread for those who want to supplement and provide nutrition to help with their cure. This is not so much a scabies thread, because some of us here do not have the regular scabies mite, or don't have the immunity to fight their mite. It's not so much an advertisement. You can read what you want of it, or not. It's all up to you, EMM. If you knew me, you would know that I always promote the golden standard of taking ivermectin orally, in addition to a good topical like permethrin or benzyl benzoate. This thread is just going a bit further. Furthermore, all my stuff costs a buck three eighty. And you can find them in ten buck two down on the docks.
Joe

Hollywood, FL

#22 Jul 21, 2010
Ooops, I forgot something, Emm. If you have anything at all to add to this thread, like lotions, supplements, something which has worked FOR YOU, then feel free add something here. We won't mention costs or anyone trying to make a fast buck. Deal?

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