Epsom Salt
Welty

AOL

#42 Jan 30, 2008
Yikes! I'm ready to get enough Revolution for "two large dogs", LOL. MiteKiller, where is that link about Iver with other types of mites? I'd love to read it. Oh, and about my cat and her Revolution, did you say somewhere you think the first month that she should have her first two doses two weeks apart? I think I read that's what you did but don't remember which thread?
MM-M, I tried the Epsom salt on my hair last night and it did not itch in a lesser concentration; as a bonus I like that it gives tons of volume to my staight hair. Who knew?!
Sam

Courtland, CA

#43 Jan 30, 2008
Welty wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi MIS, thanks for asking. I am still frustrated, I guess. I got my cat some Revolution, but still think I have all the signs of bird mites and none of the traditional scabies rash places, and haven't seen a mite for weeks to get a sample. My husband is still not affected, a bad sign, and I haven't wanted to treat us with Iver and Perm if it's bird mites, that won't help and I'd hate to ask my husband to treat when he is unaffected, still after two months. They're definitely not interested in my husband, and if they're bird mites (non-burrowing biters that live and lay eggs off the host and often have a female host preference), they can wait it out forever until you taste better. I'd have to take Iver for a month straight or more for it to work.$$$$ Health risk? I am hoping that since these things also like my female cat that they'll get some of her Revolution and croak. She may be my magic bullet! She's welcome to sleep with me! Mainly, I've not too bad right now, but still puzzled about what to do. Thanks for asking, how are you doing?
Welty, I know you are puzzled but I think you have scabies. You're keeping it at bay with the topicals and baths and cleaning. There have been many posters on here that had scabies and their partner/spouse didn't get infected, or very little. My girlfriend didn't get it at all, so she still says, although we broke up a long time ago, and we were sleeping in the same bed a few times a week. Sorry if this seems blunt, but I just don't want you to go through 2 years of wondering what it is like I did.
Mite Killer

United States

#44 Jan 30, 2008
Welty,

It's Revolution 2x monthly for pets until you think the mites are gone. Then it's 1x a month. My pets are on monthly treatments now.

I'm usually very to the point but I was holding out and hoping you would just use the Ivermectin after I posted that it kills most types of mites. But I've thought all along that it's probably scabies you're up against.

I agree with Sam. I've thought for a while now that the bird mite thing is getting out of hand. 99.9% of the people on these forums have scabies.

I have not read any reports of Ivermectin not being safe. It's been used in Africa, So. America and Australia without problems so far as I've read, used on millions of people. It's like taking an antibiotic but probably much safer.

I love it. I think it's a wonder drug.
Welty

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#45 Jan 31, 2008
Hi Sam and Mite Killer, I'd actually be happier to have scabies at this point, because everything I read about bird mites is heartbreaking. But nothing seems to point to classic scabies including the usual. Nothing fits. I've been married over a decade and hubby is unaffected by this and we do share a bed nightly, while I've been bitten for over three months now. Mostly on scalp and a few on backs of arms, the furred side. Sometimes, other family members are diagnosed before the primary host is, and I have to assume he'd have them too after three months. Nothing there, and my rash is very few scattered bites, I have no bites in groin or webs of hands, or waistline, or backs of knees or inner elbows or feet. None. Also, the first time I felt "bites" I was at my desk by the window when a cherry picker with painters were snapping branches in a recently vaccated nested tree that touches the window next to my computer office in the breeze. Also, two squirrel nests in same. I have to admit though, that I've been unable to see any kind of mite except one, and well, that one looked sarcoptic to me. Kind of pudgy and white. If it's a sarcoptic mite then it would explain the few findings. I've really looked at a ton of lint rollers and that was the only one I ever saw and my 30X saw that one clearly. I'd feel like a dope if you're right, but like I'd been given a reprieve from the governer. Okay, will take Iver tomorrow night. So does unaffected husband need to take it too? Or just a Perm treatment? Oh, and yesterday, no bites at all. but today itchy. My cat is on Revolution now thanks, MK. Okay, you two seem to have more sense than anybody else about this. Will start Protocol, I have nothing to lose. Oh, and MK, I do think Iver is safe as far as sarcoptic mite protocol is, I have no problem with that, husband might since he has nothing, though. So, you know I will thank you if this turns the tide for me. Oh, and Sam, I think when you mentioned that my mite allegy shots could be suppressing my rash, but well, it's a mystery, but maybe I do have that. I really haven't seen a bird mite, just a fat white one. Thanks for the candor, I do look up to you both. Best, Welty
Sam

Courtland, CA

#46 Jan 31, 2008
Welty, there have been reports of people who had scabies and didn't show symptoms. If your husband is willing to treat too all the better for you. I'd say either 2 rounds of perm on him, or 2 of iver would be good, whichever one he wants to use. Maybe iver + sulfur or msm for both of you. Best to you too.
Scabies3

Deerfield Beach, FL

#47 Feb 5, 2008
Here is a post from the bird mite forum, which may help someone here:

Hello, what I have found is that salt baths do not work....no bath works....we had to make up a very strong salt water solution. 1 cup to 2 cups of Epsom salt to one pint of water. Slowly pour that solution on your skin after your shower. Rub the salt water into the skin where you feel the things. Right before you step out of the shower, make sure you have a lot of the salt water on the skin. Jump out of the shower and grab the hair drier. Get the salt water dried onto the skin as fast as possible. If you are having areas where they are really bad, after the salt water is thoroughly dried on the skin take some Vaseline and gently rub that onto where you have been feeling the things. Try not to rub any of the dried on salt off. The Vaseline will make the salt burn but it will kill what ever is there. Put the salt water solution up your nose and in your ears after that is dry follow that with Vaseline. Noting can live in the salt if it is left on all night. It will take about 4 weeks to see an end to the things. Also everything article of fabric that touches your skin must be soak totally submerge in water over night. This is really important when it comes to under wear and bedding. Once the under wear has been soak and submerged over night wash as usual and the bag them. They are free of anything living in them. I don't know how long these things can live in the environment but pouring salt water on our skin may have to be done for some time. I hope this helps.
SleeplessInNY

Irvine, CA

#48 Feb 6, 2008
Whenever I do the Epsom Salt body spray, which is twice a day everyday,- I never feel it "burning" anywhere. I mix 1 cup Epsom to 2 cups water (1 pint of water) like above. Does this mean I don't have any mite boroughs left? There wasnt a burning sensation when I tried applying it with Vaseline either.
MM-M

Shawnee, KS

#49 Feb 6, 2008
Sleepless...

It never burned me as well. Today on the other forum, we received a continuing post from Mike and Rita. It said that when using this method, you may begin to see black specks coming out of your skin. Then you may experience bigger bumps in which will go away. I am at the big bump part and am currently still waiting for these two to go away. She urged us to keep using it faithfully. Are you developing any new bumps, have any itchy areas, or areas in which yoou may feel activity? If I had any of those, I would keep using it. She said they have been using it for 2 months. I'm not sure how long to actually use it, but I do know it takes 3 lifecycles to break a generational overlap of mites of any kind. It is recommended to continue to use it after that break, but again I don't have anything specific that states for how long. Most likely long enough to kill what is left after the break and then by attrition until your done.
SleeplessInNY

Irvine, CA

#50 Feb 7, 2008
Thanks for the info MM.

I get more of a sting feeling or "salt in the wound" feel when salt touches certain areas. But no burning. So maybe that is what she was talking about.

Anyway - I continue. Its been 3 full weeks and bringing me the best results. I went through an itchy period and then I did get a few random bumps but for the most part those are fading now. They don't last more then a couple days now.
MM-M

Shawnee, KS

#51 Feb 7, 2008
I am so glad to hear your results have been positive. Keep cleaning your environment, don't forget.
Scabies3

Deerfield Beach, FL

#52 Feb 7, 2008
More Information from the bird mite group:

We had been using Horse permenthrin 10% plus straight Clorox and garlic oil for several months before we started the salt. We felt very little on us but they were still there. After 3 to 4 weeks we had beat the things using the salt. I wish I knew if regular kitchen salt would work....seems like it would. I got up to using 2 cups of Epsom salt per pint. We don't feel the things on us any more. We ripped out all our carpet in the spring of 2008. Threw out all our furniture. Threw out all our cloths. I wear $5.00 pants from Wal-Mart now. When we vacuum we not only do the floors but the walls also and we dust with the brush attachment on the vacuum. This is done every day....it's like a jail sentence.... but it has worked. What ever we had we could see little things that looked like sesame seeds all over the house. With a black light we could see small tiny things glowing in the house and car and on our skin. We bought a new car in December of last year. Our car was the major hot spot. We are afraid to stop the regime. Seems 4 weeks of steady salt drying of the skin really knocks the things for a loop. The environment must be kept clean....there is no other way that I can see. Never wear any clothing that has not been soaked over night. Purses and wallets carry the things. I use a zip lock bag now inside a small change purse....my large purse was full of the things. It's a nightmare..

MISERABLE IN SA

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#53 Feb 7, 2008
Scabies3 wrote:
More Information from the bird mite group:
We had been using Horse permenthrin 10% plus straight Clorox and garlic oil for several months before we started the salt. We felt very little on us but they were still there. After 3 to 4 weeks we had beat the things using the salt. I wish I knew if regular kitchen salt would work....seems like it would. I got up to using 2 cups of Epsom salt per pint. We don't feel the things on us any more. We ripped out all our carpet in the spring of 2008. Threw out all our furniture. Threw out all our cloths. I wear $5.00 pants from Wal-Mart now. When we vacuum we not only do the floors but the walls also and we dust with the brush attachment on the vacuum. This is done every day....it's like a jail sentence.... but it has worked. What ever we had we could see little things that looked like sesame seeds all over the house. With a black light we could see small tiny things glowing in the house and car and on our skin. We bought a new car in December of last year. Our car was the major hot spot. We are afraid to stop the regime. Seems 4 weeks of steady salt drying of the skin really knocks the things for a loop. The environment must be kept clean....there is no other way that I can see. Never wear any clothing that has not been soaked over night. Purses and wallets carry the things. I use a zip lock bag now inside a small change purse....my large purse was full of the things. It's a nightmare..
Thats terrific. How much longer do you think they will keep this heavy duty cleaning up?
Just interested & thinking about improving my own cleaning. MIS
Scabies3

Deerfield Beach, FL

#54 Feb 21, 2008
I just wanted to share an email from the birdmitesorg yahoo group. It may help some of you.

I can't remember who had suggested the Epsom Salt Spray, but whoever
you are... THANK YOU!! It's working! For us it is anyway.

We have noticed a marked difference in the past 5 days!
The critters are not "dive bombing" us anymore.
We don't go to bed, to have them crawl all over us.(Last night was
the best night's sleep that I have had in almost a year! It was
wonderful!)
We can get dressed without feeling them in our clothes.(Our clothes
were not that bad. But soaking and washing everything in Epsom Salts,
truly does work! This should be a part of
everyone's regimin. Now that I've been doing it, it will continue to
be a part of my laundry detail for the rest of my life.)

I only hope and pray that they don't decide to "explode" in
population. So I have been spraying every day... everything in the
house. Walls, ceilings, furniture... everything.(Our Vet said that
the Epsom salts were safe for the cats too.) But first I had to take
alot of stuff and put it into storage. Such as every single "what-
not", all of the drapes, cornice boards, I threw away all of my silk
plants... I mean everything left the house either in trash bags to go
to the dump, or right into storage except for the larger pieces of
furniture. I can't tell you the difference it made in the ease of
cleaning & spraying everyday.
The attic has also been sprayed as well, as well as our basement.

I'll have to deal with the stuff in storage later. I just hope that I
don't re-infect all of us.

I don't spray the Epsom Salts on my body though. It made me quite
ill, but I'm fairly sensitive to so many things and usually end up
having some kind of reaction.

My cats will continue to get their Iver shots every 10 days for a
while until I can actually say that these things have been
eradicated. Probably for the next couple of months.

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#55 Feb 21, 2008
Scabies3 wrote:
I just wanted to share an email from the birdmitesorg yahoo group. It may help some of you.
I can't remember who had suggested the Epsom Salt Spray, but whoever
you are... THANK YOU!! It's working! For us it is anyway.
We have noticed a marked difference in the past 5 days!
The critters are not "dive bombing" us anymore.
We don't go to bed, to have them crawl all over us.(Last night was
the best night's sleep that I have had in almost a year! It was
wonderful!)
We can get dressed without feeling them in our clothes.(Our clothes
were not that bad. But soaking and washing everything in Epsom Salts,
truly does work! This should be a part of
everyone's regimin. Now that I've been doing it, it will continue to
be a part of my laundry detail for the rest of my life.)
I only hope and pray that they don't decide to "explode" in
population. So I have been spraying every day... everything in the
house. Walls, ceilings, furniture... everything.(Our Vet said that
the Epsom salts were safe for the cats too.) But first I had to take
alot of stuff and put it into storage. Such as every single "what-
not", all of the drapes, cornice boards, I threw away all of my silk
plants... I mean everything left the house either in trash bags to go
to the dump, or right into storage except for the larger pieces of
furniture. I can't tell you the difference it made in the ease of
cleaning & spraying everyday.
The attic has also been sprayed as well, as well as our basement.
I'll have to deal with the stuff in storage later. I just hope that I
don't re-infect all of us.
I don't spray the Epsom Salts on my body though. It made me quite
ill, but I'm fairly sensitive to so many things and usually end up
having some kind of reaction.
My cats will continue to get their Iver shots every 10 days for a
while until I can actually say that these things have been
eradicated. Probably for the next couple of months.
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Hey there S3-
Quick question regarding the Epsom salts in the laundry- is that in addition to whatever detergent we are using, or is this a seperate soak? I may need to stock up on quarters if it's seperate. I don't know how I missed the whole E salts in the laundry part cuz I have read this thread, but, this is a new one for me. I did have good results with the Epsom salt 'douse', can't remember why I stopped it. I think I jump around in my treatments a bit too much. But, the pomada is starting to irritate my skin too much. I am not a huge fan of the stickiness, either. Ready to go back to salting. If it can help birdmites, it can help anything, right?? Thanks, S3 for all your good information.
Scabies3

Deerfield Beach, FL

#56 Feb 21, 2008
I cant take this wrote:
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Hey there S3-
Quick question regarding the Epsom salts in the laundry- is that in addition to whatever detergent we are using, or is this a seperate soak? I may need to stock up on quarters if it's seperate. I don't know how I missed the whole E salts in the laundry part cuz I have read this thread, but, this is a new one for me. I did have good results with the Epsom salt 'douse', can't remember why I stopped it. I think I jump around in my treatments a bit too much. But, the pomada is starting to irritate my skin too much. I am not a huge fan of the stickiness, either. Ready to go back to salting. If it can help birdmites, it can help anything, right?? Thanks, S3 for all your good information.
Hi I Can't Take this: You know, I haven't used epsom salt in my laundry. I'm doing good with my laundry = steaming hot water, gain, bleach, borax, hot dry. I guess you could try it. have you ever put some Epsom salt and hot water in a spray bottle? I tasted that stuff, and it is really foul tasting; it seems like it would kill any bug from the taste of it. I am just using it as a spray for my legs and arms and face (my active areas) and also a spray for my environment. it works pretty good. I like it. and, you cannot beat the PRICE!!
feduptothemax

Philadelphia, PA

#57 Feb 21, 2008
Scabies3 wrote:
I just wanted to share an email from the birdmitesorg yahoo group. It may help some of you.
I can't remember who had suggested the Epsom Salt Spray, but whoever
you are... THANK YOU!! It's working! For us it is anyway.
We have noticed a marked difference in the past 5 days!
The critters are not "dive bombing" us anymore.
We don't go to bed, to have them crawl all over us.(Last night was
the best night's sleep that I have had in almost a year! It was
wonderful!)
We can get dressed without feeling them in our clothes.(Our clothes
were not that bad. But soaking and washing everything in Epsom Salts,
truly does work! This should be a part of
everyone's regimin. Now that I've been doing it, it will continue to
be a part of my laundry detail for the rest of my life.)
I only hope and pray that they don't decide to "explode" in
population. So I have been spraying every day... everything in the
house. Walls, ceilings, furniture... everything.(Our Vet said that
the Epsom salts were safe for the cats too.) But first I had to take
alot of stuff and put it into storage. Such as every single "what-
not", all of the drapes, cornice boards, I threw away all of my silk
plants... I mean everything left the house either in trash bags to go
to the dump, or right into storage except for the larger pieces of
furniture. I can't tell you the difference it made in the ease of
cleaning & spraying everyday.
The attic has also been sprayed as well, as well as our basement.
I'll have to deal with the stuff in storage later. I just hope that I
don't re-infect all of us.
I don't spray the Epsom Salts on my body though. It made me quite
ill, but I'm fairly sensitive to so many things and usually end up
having some kind of reaction.
My cats will continue to get their Iver shots every 10 days for a
while until I can actually say that these things have been
eradicated. Probably for the next couple of months.
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So this is something that you is being made at bome or can it be bought over the counter, I already do tons of baths with the epsom salt, but if it works in clothes as a spray, anyone have the recipe?
feduptothemax

Philadelphia, PA

#58 Feb 21, 2008
Actually I was reading somewhere that epsom salts had sulfur in it as well, I wonder how spraying non-washable clothes will fair with this, and what are the guidelines or using it in the the wash during the wash or in rinse cycle does it leave a film on things just sprayed with it? Can it be used in combination in the hair and on the body with the sulfur treatment, which I'm getting ready to try the sublimed sulfur and get some new iver 3mg. this time, I know as usual a lot of questions.
janetinnyc

United States

#59 Feb 21, 2008
Do you think epsom salts would help on coats? I have 2 parkas, 1 wool coat, and a ridiculous (mite-wise) shearling, and a fake fur that's already sitting in plastic forever maybe. Just knowing how to treat the parkas would be something. Please understand, I cannot wash them every night. The machines in my basement are fairly hopeless anyway, unless you don't mind lukewarm dryers. So I keep parkas in freezer, but I know mites can stay alive in my parka even in freezing temps just like I can. Maybe the epsom salts would help if they don't show up too much...Thank you, fedup, great post.
feduptothemax

Philadelphia, PA

#60 Feb 21, 2008
I'm thinking of trying this in my wool coats, if it leaves a film maybe I'll try vacumming it off, then having them dry-cleaned again, I really have my fingers crossed here.
Scabies3

Deerfield Beach, FL

#61 Feb 21, 2008
everything we are doing is hit and miss. some of the best things that worked for me, I thought of myself. can you buy some cheap washable coats for now and rotate them?

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