MISERABLE IN SA

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#22 Jan 24, 2008
Welty wrote:
Miserable In SA and Sleepless, same to you two, too, I am just really happy for MM-M, and know exactly how much she has suffered, but I'll be excited for you both too when you get this licked. Thank you all, all of you, for the support and commeraderie. It's crucial to keep our spirits up and to celebrate our wins! Best, Welty
Welty,
How are you feeling? Hope you are doing better & better. Sleeping well? Eating Well? Mite fight well? MIS
MM-M

Kansas City, MO

#23 Jan 24, 2008
Hi you guys....

Thanks S3....just got home so I was unable to post.

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You should be able to get 5# for around 20 to 25 dollars. It will last you a long time.

Here is my own recipe....

1 C Epsom Salts

16oz. Vaseline Intrensive Care Aloe scented Lotion
(green bottle)

16000mg MSM or 4 T of 4000mg/tsp

1/4 Extra virgin coconut oil

In my hair I have just been using the Epsom and water. 1 cup Epsom to 1 pint of water. Put conditioner on the ends with salt added as well. Not on scalp. Wrap for the night. In am, wash, condition, and oil. My hair is so much better and my scalp is improving lots.

The skin and hair salts are seeming to dry up the eggs so they cannot hatch. It kills the surface one on contact. Actually it immobilizes them and suffocates them. It draws the mites in the skin outward or dries the skin in such a way as to immobilize them as well and suffocate some of them. You really quite end up with a large kill in a fair amount of time all the way around. This is not a quick cure. I just don't know amything that will kill it all at once. We had a phone conference with a physician (TOXICOLOGIST) on the other forum. She said all mites have an average lifespan of 21 days. My treatment goal is for 63 days and evaluate, whether you have scabies or suspect another mite, may I suggest something similar.

I am also still following the Iver protocol only I am now treating every 10 days. I am going to try a different brand of topical perm now that I seem to have the numbers down again. Is everybody aware that " MP.com " is now selling topical elimite in 30g tubes? Way better prices than Bluesky. 60 vs. 140

All take care and let us know how it goes. Don't give it up to quickly. Yes, they will get active. Keep slathering and salting. Oh, by the way, this stuff will flake off. Vacum more, but don't be afraid of it. Be back in the weekend. Am moving soon.
MM-M

Kansas City, MO

#24 Jan 24, 2008
I just reread this post, use epsom and salt on the scalp and conditioner and salt on the hair. Thats better.
Scabies3

Hollywood, FL

#25 Jan 24, 2008
MISERABLE IN SA wrote:
<quoted text>
Mary,
you crack me up. Are ya hiding from the mites?
Be careful. MIS
MISERABLE IN SA wrote:
<quoted text>
Mary,
you crack me up. Are ya hiding from the mites?
Be careful. MIS
Yes, I am hiding from the monster mites. Outside, it is usually sunny and I can sit at a table out there, but it got dark very quickly. two of my computer areas are infested, and I don't always feel like doing a mega clean, which sometimes doesn't even help.
Scabies3

Hollywood, FL

#26 Jan 24, 2008
MM-M wrote:
Hi you guys....
Thanks S3....just got home so I was unable to post.
coastalscents.com
soapcrafters.com
fromnaturewithlove.com
You should be able to get 5# for around 20 to 25 dollars. It will last you a long time.
Here is my own recipe....
1 C Epsom Salts
16oz. Vaseline Intrensive Care Aloe scented Lotion
(green bottle)
16000mg MSM or 4 T of 4000mg/tsp
1/4 Extra virgin coconut oil
In my hair I have just been using the Epsom and water. 1 cup Epsom to 1 pint of water. Put conditioner on the ends with salt added as well. Not on scalp. Wrap for the night. In am, wash, condition, and oil. My hair is so much better and my scalp is improving lots.
The skin and hair salts are seeming to dry up the eggs so they cannot hatch. It kills the surface one on contact. Actually it immobilizes them and suffocates them. It draws the mites in the skin outward or dries the skin in such a way as to immobilize them as well and suffocate some of them. You really quite end up with a large kill in a fair amount of time all the way around. This is not a quick cure. I just don't know amything that will kill it all at once. We had a phone conference with a physician (TOXICOLOGIST) on the other forum. She said all mites have an average lifespan of 21 days. My treatment goal is for 63 days and evaluate, whether you have scabies or suspect another mite, may I suggest something similar.
I am also still following the Iver protocol only I am now treating every 10 days. I am going to try a different brand of topical perm now that I seem to have the numbers down again. Is everybody aware that " MP.com " is now selling topical elimite in 30g tubes? Way better prices than Bluesky. 60 vs. 140
All take care and let us know how it goes. Don't give it up to quickly. Yes, they will get active. Keep slathering and salting. Oh, by the way, this stuff will flake off. Vacum more, but don't be afraid of it. Be back in the weekend. Am moving soon.
you are right about the epsom salt flaking. i was looking at my laptop, seeing all this white stuff; and of course, i am thinking, MITES!! lol not... it's epsom salt falling of me. My son looks at me and says, "Take the stuff off your face." What do you say to that?
Scabies3

Hollywood, FL

#27 Jan 24, 2008
MM-M wrote:
Hi you guys....
Thanks S3....just got home so I was unable to post.
coastalscents.com
soapcrafters.com
fromnaturewithlove.com
You should be able to get 5# for around 20 to 25 dollars. It will last you a long time.
Here is my own recipe....
1 C Epsom Salts
16oz. Vaseline Intrensive Care Aloe scented Lotion
(green bottle)
16000mg MSM or 4 T of 4000mg/tsp
1/4 Extra virgin coconut oil
In my hair I have just been using the Epsom and water. 1 cup Epsom to 1 pint of water. Put conditioner on the ends with salt added as well. Not on scalp. Wrap for the night. In am, wash, condition, and oil. My hair is so much better and my scalp is improving lots.
The skin and hair salts are seeming to dry up the eggs so they cannot hatch. It kills the surface one on contact. Actually it immobilizes them and suffocates them. It draws the mites in the skin outward or dries the skin in such a way as to immobilize them as well and suffocate some of them. You really quite end up with a large kill in a fair amount of time all the way around. This is not a quick cure. I just don't know amything that will kill it all at once. We had a phone conference with a physician (TOXICOLOGIST) on the other forum. She said all mites have an average lifespan of 21 days. My treatment goal is for 63 days and evaluate, whether you have scabies or suspect another mite, may I suggest something similar.
I am also still following the Iver protocol only I am now treating every 10 days. I am going to try a different brand of topical perm now that I seem to have the numbers down again. Is everybody aware that " MP.com " is now selling topical elimite in 30g tubes? Way better prices than Bluesky. 60 vs. 140
All take care and let us know how it goes. Don't give it up to quickly. Yes, they will get active. Keep slathering and salting. Oh, by the way, this stuff will flake off. Vacum more, but don't be afraid of it. Be back in the weekend. Am moving soon.
did you say how much clay to put in the mixture?
MM-M

Kansas City, MO

#28 Jan 24, 2008
Eish....I didn't, thank you. I am wiped from all the recent stress. You are a good friend. You want your consistency like fine mud. Get the hand mixer out, and whip it good....lol I start with a cup and mix it in and smooth some on. It should give you good cover. Similar to pancake batter.:) Thanks S3. I got through today but there was more drama. I am an early girl tomorrow, so I am off earlier in the day. Get back with you tomorrow. Miss Kitty you too.

MIS...still in my prayers. Wishing everyone well.
SleeplessInNY

Pleasanton, CA

#29 Jan 28, 2008
Hello~
I've been "salting" everyday for 6 days now.

For those who have been trying this method- did you notice increased activity the first 2 days? I thought I was getting worse but after the 2nd or 3rd day i have been noticing amazing improvement overall. Ive been able to sleep through the night - and no crawly/pin prick feelings.

Just curious what anyone else's thoughts or feelings were?

Do you think when we stop salting - everything will come back full force? I'm just wondering if this is actually killing the mites - or internalizing them.....?
Welty

AOL

#30 Jan 29, 2008
MISERABLE IN SA wrote:
<quoted text>
Welty,
How are you feeling? Hope you are doing better & better. Sleeping well? Eating Well? Mite fight well? MIS
Hi MIS, thanks for asking. I am still frustrated, I guess. I got my cat some Revolution, but still think I have all the signs of bird mites and none of the traditional scabies rash places, and haven't seen a mite for weeks to get a sample. My husband is still not affected, a bad sign, and I haven't wanted to treat us with Iver and Perm if it's bird mites, that won't help and I'd hate to ask my husband to treat when he is unaffected, still after two months. They're definitely not interested in my husband, and if they're bird mites (non-burrowing biters that live and lay eggs off the host and often have a female host preference), they can wait it out forever until you taste better. I'd have to take Iver for a month straight or more for it to work.$$$$ Health risk? I am hoping that since these things also like my female cat that they'll get some of her Revolution and croak. She may be my magic bullet! She's welcome to sleep with me! Mainly, I've not too bad right now, but still puzzled about what to do. Thanks for asking, how are you doing?
Welty

AOL

#31 Jan 29, 2008
Sleepless, internalizing? Oh, yeah, I'd love to have them internalized!!! Then Iver can get them. Keep it up and see what you think in a week or so and get back to us. I don't know anybody who has done this longer than a week, so I don't know for sure; I think for biting mites, that it is more of a barrier, and the mites are waiting it out until you don't have it on you. Which can be a long time. For sarcoptic burrowing mites, this could be a real breakthrough.
Welty

AOL

#32 Jan 29, 2008
Mean to say, that as a barrier to biting mites the Epsom salts could still be a Godsend for a heavy infestation. I'm still able to keep them off me to a comfortable level with MSM and vinegar/water spritzes in my hair. I may need to join the "Geisha" club in the future, but for now it seemed like I was so much itchier with the Emposom salts, I decided to wait until the bites are itchier than the Empsom.
MM-M

Saint Joseph, MO

#33 Jan 29, 2008
Sleepless...If you are worried about internalizing, then you are then worried about birdmites? Scabies or sarcoptics don't internalize but bird and rat mites do. If you suspect you have a birdmite infection, while you are salting it is paramount to treat your environment. Salt your home as well as treat it. I mix with cleaner. Do not use on expensive fabrics or glass. I have nothing fabric anymore except leather. It is also paramount for one suffering this type of infestation to deparasitize and detoxify your internal environment. I am on H2O2 therapy for toxins for 30 days. After leveling that off I am to go through a colon cleansing. For my throat and nasopharynx (nose and upper throat) we are gargling with listerine and H2O2 and have to succumb to lavage weekly. Ears with carbolic acid wax remover weekly. If you suspect you have bird or rat mites, please consider a multi-faceted approach.

So you got itchy? Normal but I am glad you stuck with it. That itchiness was actually them crawling and dying. It is quite similar to this example: Have you ever sprayed a bug with hairspray, pesticide, soapy water, etc. The bug stops for a few seconds and then starts struggling madly. After quite a struggle it will stop and then twitch and eventually die. It may continue to twitch for a while. Same pricipal happening here only its inside your skin. The same thing happens over a few days after taking Iver. After you take Iver, within three days one experiences an increase in activity but few new lesions. You will see some amazing results in the next few weeks. I have now been using for about two weeks as with many posters on the birdmite forum and Mike and Rita have been using for a month. As far as a total cure, if bird or rat mites, one cannot achieve a total cure without environmental and internal defeat. Good luck NY, my e-mail is fritolay66@yahoo.com if I can be of any help. A mite is a mite but birdmites are their mother. You must beat them on multilevels.
MM-M

Saint Joseph, MO

#34 Jan 29, 2008
Recently I switched up my hair routine. I have been buying cheap conditioner and I add that to a pan. Add 3/4 c. water, 1c. E. Salt, and 20mg MSM, and a T. or two of EV Coconut Oil. On very low heat, melt and stir SLOWLY but do not overheat, just enough to melt the MSM and salt. If it coagulates, get your handmixer and mix, but would indicate to high heat for the future. You will have almost double the amount of conditioner than when you first started so have a plastic tub handy or an ex bottle. Funnel back into bottle and use every night with your normal salting routine. It will work to kill the ones on your scalp as well and your hair will soft and shiny. My hair was getting fried but now it looks pretty darn good considering what I am putting on it.
Mite Killer

Rancho Santa Fe, CA

#35 Jan 29, 2008
Welty wrote:
Sleepless, internalizing? Oh, yeah, I'd love to have them internalized!!! Then Iver can get them. Keep it up and see what you think in a week or so and get back to us. I don't know anybody who has done this longer than a week, so I don't know for sure; I think for biting mites, that it is more of a barrier, and the mites are waiting it out until you don't have it on you. Which can be a long time. For sarcoptic burrowing mites, this could be a real breakthrough.
In addition to mites burrowed in the stratum corneum, Ivermectin kills surface mites. It's used to treat Lice and blood feeding mites. According to all the studiess I've read about Ivermectin, it's very safe. I've posted links to articles about Ivermectin's use on different types of mites.

Using a salt scrub should help to remove surface mites and some of the mite debris that is close to the skins surface but it is not a cure.
Scabies3

United States

#36 Jan 29, 2008
MM-M wrote:
Recently I switched up my hair routine. I have been buying cheap conditioner and I add that to a pan. Add 3/4 c. water, 1c. E. Salt, and 20mg MSM, and a T. or two of EV Coconut Oil. On very low heat, melt and stir SLOWLY but do not overheat, just enough to melt the MSM and salt. If it coagulates, get your handmixer and mix, but would indicate to high heat for the future. You will have almost double the amount of conditioner than when you first started so have a plastic tub handy or an ex bottle. Funnel back into bottle and use every night with your normal salting routine. It will work to kill the ones on your scalp as well and your hair will soft and shiny. My hair was getting fried but now it looks pretty darn good considering what I am putting on it.
MMM: are you leaving this in your hair or are you rinsing it out of your hair?
Scabies3

United States

#37 Jan 29, 2008
MM-M wrote:
Sleepless...If you are worried about internalizing, then you are then worried about birdmites? Scabies or sarcoptics don't internalize but bird and rat mites do. If you suspect you have a birdmite infection, while you are salting it is paramount to treat your environment. Salt your home as well as treat it. I mix with cleaner. Do not use on expensive fabrics or glass. I have nothing fabric anymore except leather. It is also paramount for one suffering this type of infestation to deparasitize and detoxify your internal environment. I am on H2O2 therapy for toxins for 30 days. After leveling that off I am to go through a colon cleansing. For my throat and nasopharynx (nose and upper throat) we are gargling with listerine and H2O2 and have to succumb to lavage weekly. Ears with carbolic acid wax remover weekly. If you suspect you have bird or rat mites, please consider a multi-faceted approach.
So you got itchy? Normal but I am glad you stuck with it. That itchiness was actually them crawling and dying. It is quite similar to this example: Have you ever sprayed a bug with hairspray, pesticide, soapy water, etc. The bug stops for a few seconds and then starts struggling madly. After quite a struggle it will stop and then twitch and eventually die. It may continue to twitch for a while. Same pricipal happening here only its inside your skin. The same thing happens over a few days after taking Iver. After you take Iver, within three days one experiences an increase in activity but few new lesions. You will see some amazing results in the next few weeks. I have now been using for about two weeks as with many posters on the birdmite forum and Mike and Rita have been using for a month. As far as a total cure, if bird or rat mites, one cannot achieve a total cure without environmental and internal defeat. Good luck NY, my e-mail is fritolay66@yahoo.com if I can be of any help. A mite is a mite but birdmites are their mother. You must beat them on multilevels.
MMM; When you say the bird mites internalize, can you explain that? How far do they internalize? Are you talking about internalizing under the top layer of skin? or internalizing to your muscles, bloodstream, organs, throat?
MM-M

Saint Joseph, MO

#38 Jan 29, 2008
From the Birdmite Forum:

TITLE: Acaroid mite, intestinal and urinary acariasis

JOURNAL/DATE: World J Gastroenterol 2003;9(4):874-877

AUTHOR(S): Chao-Pin Li, Yu-Bao Cui, Jian Wang, Qing-Gui Yang, Ye Tian

ABSTRACT/SUMMARY: Various species of mites often infest stored foodstuffs and various drugs, and cause losses in food and drug products, especially in humid and warm area[1-9]. They are small creatures of about half a millimeter in body size and creamy white in color, proving difficult to be detected from drugs and food products. Therefore, the incidence of various forms of human acariasis presumably caused by the ingestion of mite-infested food is unusually high in China[10]. In this study we investigates the epidemiological characteristics and pathogenic mite species of intestinal and urinary acariasis in individuals with different occupations in Anhui Province. Twenty-two species, from 9 families of mites were separated and identified.

TEXT EXTRACT: "Acaroid mite can survive in many environments including the storehouse, human and animal bodies. Its infestion in human can cause acariasis in several organs including the lung, intestine and urinary tract[17-26]. Apparently the pathogenic mites come from environment. Regarding the transmission path, the following possibilities have been proposed. First, the insects may enter the urinary tract by crawling from vulva. Second, they may enter the body through skin and reach urinary tract in some way. Third, mites in respiratory or alimentary system may enter the blood circulation, and reach kidney and urinary tract[46-50]. Acaroid in human urinary system may damage urethral epithelia, for the mites are good at digging. Furthermore, they can also invade loose connective tissue and small blood vessel in urinary tract, and caused an ulcer."

IMPLICATIONS: Significant research that demonstrates the viability of acaroid mites to thrive in humans. These ectoparasites (environmental mites) were not previously known to infest humans; but thorough medical diagnostic tests showed the survivability of mites inside humans. Acariasis should always be a consideration for a longstanding infestation from parasites that need blood to survive; such as with bird mites.

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MM-M

Saint Joseph, MO

#39 Jan 29, 2008
I leave in my hair overnight.
MM-M

Saint Joseph, MO

#40 Jan 29, 2008
TITLE: Diarrhea and acaroid mites: a clinical study.

JOURNAL/DATE: World J Gastroenterol. 2003 Jul;9(7):1621-4.

AUTHOR(S): Li CP, Cui YB, Wang J, Yang QG, Tian Y. Department of Etiology and Immunology, School of Medicine, Anhui University of Science Technology, Huainan 232001, Anhui Province, China.

ABSTRACT/SUMMARY: To explore the characteristics of diarrhea caused by acaroid mites. METHODS: Acaroid mites in fresh stools of 241 patients with diarrhea were separated by flotation in saturated saline. Meanwhile, skin prick test, total IgE and mite-specific IgE were detected in all patients. RESULTS: The total positive rate of mites in stool samples of the patients was 17.01 %(41/241), the positive rates of mites in male and female patients were 15.86 %(23/145) and 18.75 %(18/96), respectively, without significant difference (P>0.05). The percentage of skin prick test as "+++", "++", "+", "+/-" and "-" was 9.13 %(22/241), 7.47 %(18/241), 5.81 %(14/241), 4.98 %(12/241) and 72.61 %(175/241), respectively. The serum levels of total IgE, mite-specific IgE in patients with and without mites in stool samples were (165.72+/-78.55) IU/ml,(132.44+/-26.80) IU/ml and (145.22+/-82.47) IU/ml,(67.35+/-45.28) IU/ml, respectively, with significant difference (P<0.01). The positive rate of mites in stool samples in staffs working in traditional Chinese medicine storehouses or rice storehouses (experimental group) was 26.74 %(23/86), which was significantly higher than that (11.61 %, 18/155) in people engaged in other professions (chi(2)=8.97, P<0.01). CONCLUSION: Acaroid mites cause diarrhea and increase serum levels of total IgE and mite-specific IgE of patients, and the prevalence of diarrhea caused by acaroid mites is associated with occupations rather than the gender of patients.

IMPLICATIONS: Further research documenting human acariasis from mites previously classified as 'ectoparasites' in the textbooks. It is important for clinical researchers to 'think outside the box' when it comes to the variability of mites in order to survive in a changing environment. People with acariasis will often show increased levels of mite-specific IgE and this can be used by the physician to verify the person's claim of parasitosis and acariasis.(Other tests can include IgG levels for parasites.)

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MM-M

Saint Joseph, MO

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