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Mary

Pompano Beach, FL

#1 Nov 30, 2006
Slomo. I thought you said that Lysol kills the mite. Does it? Or doesn't it? Because, before, I was spraying the permethrin on and in my shoes. Then I started using Lysol. I am not sure what to use now. And I am thinking that if YOU don't know for sure, if it kills the mites, then why am I using it?
Slomo

Fall River, MA

#2 Dec 1, 2006
Mary wrote:
Slomo. I thought you said that Lysol kills the mite. Does it? Or doesn't it?
Mary,
I believe it does. Only on contact, and only while it is wet. Lysol has a fairly high amount of alcohol in it, and phenolic compounds which unfold proteins and destroy cell membranes.
That said, I do not have any scientific evidence to back this up. I can not catch enough live mites to try it out on them. ;-) Perhaps we should ask the Australian guys who wrote the article on Ivermectin resistant scabies. They tested the various scabicides in a petri dish. Maybe they could do an experiment.
I think I made it clear, the use of lysol was strictly based on my opinion, not hard facts. Sorry if I gave you the wrong impression. BTW the manufaturer recommends not to use i on clothing (ie. something that is in prolonged contact with your bare skin). So if you wear your slipers w/o socks I would not use it on it.
slomo

Fall River, MA

#3 Dec 6, 2006
I have completed a mini survey on lysol.

I do not see it as a scabicide listed anywhere per see, but it is clearly a potent destroyer or living cells.
Lsol contains alcohol and phenolic compounds, with 2 different mode of action. If it is prayed on mites, I am convinced it kills them. The alcohol adds to the effect.

Quote from a medical textbook:
The most effective of chemical control agents is Phenol. It is not used anymore in the US and most European countries. Mode of action:

is altering the normal selective permeability of the cytoplasmic membrane, causing leakage of vital intracellular substances. These chemicals also denature and inactivate enzymes.

Lysol still uses phenol-derived compounds. O-phenyl-phenol, o-benzyl-phenol, p-chlorophenol, xylenol all found in Lysol and are where Lysol name comes from.
slomo

Fall River, MA

#4 Dec 6, 2006
PS. one way to convince yourself, it spraying it on an insect you especially hate, and see what happens.
Larry

Jal, NM

#5 Dec 12, 2006
Talked to my doctor yesterday who said lysol does not kill scabies. Apparantly..nothing does. :(
Mary

United States

#6 Dec 12, 2006
Well, thanks for that info, Larry. I think slomo has another question that he has been asking, and it is this. Will the mite drown if you are immersed in water? Can you please ask this question to your doctor, when you see her again. Thanks Larry. Mary.
Larry wrote:
Talked to my doctor yesterday who said lysol does not kill scabies. Apparantly..nothing does.:(
Larry

Seminole, TX

#7 Dec 12, 2006
http://www.safe2use.com/scabiesboard/2005_06/...

This is an excellent article that states surface mites do drown...BUT they can swim to a surface area to not drown...BUT if you use some type of bath oil in the bath, the oil creates a canopy they cannot swim through. Just relaying the info from the article, not saying I know for sure.
Mary

United States

#8 Dec 13, 2006
Hey Larry. This was a GREAT read. I printed out the 30 pages and have learned SO MUCH, just from your one link!! Thank you!! I highly recommend everyone on here read it and learn. I am going out and buying the lysterine and witch hazel and making up a spray, like they mentioned there.
Larry wrote:
http://www.safe2use.com/scabie sboard/2005_06/2999.html
This is an excellent article that states surface mites do drown...BUT they can swim to a surface area to not drown...BUT if you use some type of bath oil in the bath, the oil creates a canopy they cannot swim through. Just relaying the info from the article, not saying I know for sure.
Larry

United States

#9 Dec 13, 2006
Mary wrote:
Hey Larry. This was a GREAT read. I printed out the 30 pages and have learned SO MUCH, just from your one link!! Thank you!! I highly recommend everyone on here read it and learn. I am going out and buying the lysterine and witch hazel and making up a spray, like they mentioned there.
<quoted text>
Great Mary! Glad I can help. I have used it tonight and smells great. You can buy the store brand and save money since they both have the same ingrediants. God speed on your recovery. Larry
this sucks

United States

#10 Dec 13, 2006
Although there is a lot of good advice on the safe2use site, Mel is not one I take seriously for scabies because Mel did not have scabies. She had environmental mites from rats. Listerine mixed with witch hazel - phhthhh. does nothing for scabies.

Jenny on this same board did have a confirmed case of scabies, and cured it with 7 days of sulfur - she has good advice.
Been There

San Diego, CA

#11 Dec 13, 2006
this sucks wrote:
Although there is a lot of good advice on the safe2use site, Mel is not one I take seriously for scabies because Mel did not have scabies. She had environmental mites from rats. Listerine mixed with witch hazel - phhthhh. does nothing for scabies.
Jenny on this same board did have a confirmed case of scabies, and cured it with 7 days of sulfur - she has good advice.
Agree, interesting read but why repeat same information again and again and again.
Lots of jabber about rats.
There are 3 types of mites that infest rats. Fur mites, burrowing mites and blood sucking mites. Site never mentioned this and did not target the burrowing scabies mites. "Feel good" preperations may kill a few surface mites but won't rid you of mite infestations.
BTW some articles state that fur mites in rats are becoming resistant to Ivermectin.

What is the purpose of mites? What are they good for, huh, absolutely nothin.
this sucks

United States

#12 Dec 14, 2006
Anyone have suggestions on the difference between the Kwellada-P lotion 5% perm and the cream? I've always used the cream but am thinking the lotion might be easier to apply to the scalp. I'm ordering from blueskyhealthshop.com - thanks for the link.

Unless itchy and sratchy - can you guys send me some from New Zealand??? not kidding
Larry

United States

#13 Dec 14, 2006
this sucks wrote:
Although there is a lot of good advice on the safe2use site, Mel is not one I take seriously for scabies because Mel did not have scabies. She had environmental mites from rats. Listerine mixed with witch hazel - phhthhh. does nothing for scabies.
Jenny on this same board did have a confirmed case of scabies, and cured it with 7 days of sulfur - she has good advice.
Is Mel the same as critterlady? Because the actual poster is critterlady and it is under Mels saved articles.
Larry

United States

#14 Dec 14, 2006
BTW...do you have the link for jenny's scabie cure with sulfur?(apeaking to the poster "this sucks"
Mary

United States

#15 Dec 14, 2006
You guys always complain about things that I think will help someone. I still say it's a good read. bitch, bitch, bitch!!! Quit the bitchin and learn something.
http://www.safe2use.com/scabiesboard/2005_06/...
Been There wrote:
<quoted text>
Agree, interesting read but why repeat same information again and again and again.
Lots of jabber about rats.
There are 3 types of mites that infest rats. Fur mites, burrowing mites and blood sucking mites. Site never mentioned this and did not target the burrowing scabies mites. "Feel good" preperations may kill a few surface mites but won't rid you of mite infestations.
BTW some articles state that fur mites in rats are becoming resistant to Ivermectin.
What is the purpose of mites? What are they good for, huh, absolutely nothin.
this sucks

United States

#16 Dec 14, 2006
Larry - Jenny's scabies cure with sulfur.

http://www.safe2use.com/scabiesboard/messages...

It stinks but several people have used it successfully. She used it for 7 days straight and cut her hair short for full coverage of the scalp. If your pharmacy doesn't have it in stock they can order the straight sulfur for you.$10 for 12 oz will treat your whole family. I feel bad for your kids having this horrible infection.

I think the safe2use site is closed because nobody ever posts that their enzyme and licergone products work. They didn't work for me.
slomo

Fall River, MA

#17 Dec 15, 2006
this sucks wrote:
Larry - Jenny's scabies cure with sulfur.
Hello guys,

I do not mean to sound alarmist, but I must mention
a not so good personal experience with suplhur.

I have made sulphur ointment last year exactly as the recipe posted by Jenny.(Precipitated suplphur mixed in a mixer, 1:10 with petroleum jelly, and also did another batch with cold cream).

In a few days, it caused major skin irritation for everybody in the family.(say, 3 days) Our skin dried out and turned red, and started cracking. Sort of like the symptoms of a bad sunburn. It is possible that we are all allergic to suplhur, tho unlikely.

I did not think that the mixer did a good job mixing the powder. Even after mixing, the potion had an occasional grit of suplhur grain in it. I think this stuff was just too thick for the mixer.

If you are hell bent on trying this, you may be better of hand mixing mixing it in a mortar, first crushing any aggregated powder grits.

Please be mindful of early signs of sking irritation, because dealing with that on top of the mite problem is no picnic. Oh btw.. did not kill the mites. Ivermectin did.
slomo

Fall River, MA

#18 Dec 15, 2006
Mary wrote:
You guys always complain about things that I think will help someone. I still say it's a good read. bitch, bitch, bitch!!! Quit the bitchin and learn something.
http://www.safe2use.com/scabiesboard/2005_06/...
<quoted text>
Ok it is a good read. Sort of like Tom Clancy. But I would not thrust either as a blueprint for doing anything important in my life.

Mary, we all have many good reasons to be critical.

People of varying background post all kinds of stuff ranging from downright dangerous/ridiculous all the way to "perhaps useful".

I think we should encourage any reasoned criticism of any proposed cure. The power of our combined backgrounds are the only safeguard we have here to protect against dangerous, or useless practices.

If I tell you I I believe something is a bad idea, I usually give you my reasons why I think that, so that you can think it through for yourself.
I recall somebody posting on using "burnt motor oil" which is the "preferred cure" in mexico. Admittedly a good read, I laughed my head off, but did you think that was a good idea?

So all in all, your urging people to just accept what they read as gospel is really not helping. Sorry I do not mean to give you a hard time, but due to the sheer volume of your posts, your voice carries on this board, so you have a responsibility.

So here is my admonition to you all: If you think something that is posted here is dangerous or stupid, please do speak up.
Mary

United States

#19 Dec 15, 2006
are you bitchin' at me. Enough already.
slomo wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok it is a good read. Sort of like Tom Clancy. But I would not thrust either as a blueprint for doing anything important in my life.
Mary, we all have many good reasons to be critical.
People of varying background post all kinds of stuff ranging from downright dangerous/ridiculous all the way to "perhaps useful".
I think we should encourage any reasoned criticism of any proposed cure. The power of our combined backgrounds are the only safeguard we have here to protect against dangerous, or useless practices.
If I tell you I I believe something is a bad idea, I usually give you my reasons why I think that, so that you can think it through for yourself.
I recall somebody posting on using "burnt motor oil" which is the "preferred cure" in mexico. Admittedly a good read, I laughed my head off, but did you think that was a good idea?
So all in all, your urging people to just accept what they read as gospel is really not helping. Sorry I do not mean to give you a hard time, but due to the sheer volume of your posts, your voice carries on this board, so you have a responsibility.
So here is my admonition to you all: If you think something that is posted here is dangerous or stupid, please do speak up.
Mary

United States

#20 Dec 15, 2006
I think you are being too critical. i didn't say to use the info as a blueprint on your fight with scabies. I just said it was a good read and maybe someone could learn something from it. That's it. And I don't think a lot of the stuff they wrote in there was ridiculous, either. You are being too critical, slow motion, slayer, antimite, scabicide, or whatever you are as of today. later. lol.
slomo wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok it is a good read. Sort of like Tom Clancy. But I would not thrust either as a blueprint for doing anything important in my life.
Mary, we all have many good reasons to be critical.
People of varying background post all kinds of stuff ranging from downright dangerous/ridiculous all the way to "perhaps useful".
I think we should encourage any reasoned criticism of any proposed cure. The power of our combined backgrounds are the only safeguard we have here to protect against dangerous, or useless practices.
If I tell you I I believe something is a bad idea, I usually give you my reasons why I think that, so that you can think it through for yourself.
I recall somebody posting on using "burnt motor oil" which is the "preferred cure" in mexico. Admittedly a good read, I laughed my head off, but did you think that was a good idea?
So all in all, your urging people to just accept what they read as gospel is really not helping. Sorry I do not mean to give you a hard time, but due to the sheer volume of your posts, your voice carries on this board, so you have a responsibility.
So here is my admonition to you all: If you think something that is posted here is dangerous or stupid, please do speak up.

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