My scabies might be bird mites

My scabies might be bird mites

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Itching as a way of life

Sun City, AZ

#1 Jun 18, 2008
Help. I live in Sun City, AZ and there are lots of birds especially quail. I believe my house is infested with bird fleas and mites. They turn into little black specks when I apply grapefruit seed extract to an itch. My poor dog is suffering too. The vet didn't know what it is but recommended frontline. That worked for about a week. I wasn't able to get a dermatoligist appointment until the end of July. I wake up, put my clothes in the washer with vinegar and hot water, spray myself with grapefruit seed extract, vacuum the whole house, clean the floors with vinegar, soak in epson salts and finally put on clean clothes. Most of my clothes are now in vacuum sealed bags. I've bombed my home and my car all to no avail. In the evening, I put the clothes I've worn in the washer with vinegar and do another treatment on myself before getting into my pajama's. I spray and steam clean my mattress and pillows everyday. Today an exterminator came and sprayed the inside of the house with an organic product, and used something stronger on the yard. Yesterday, I found the website birdmites.org and after reading through it, I was ready to shoot myself. My suffering is inconsequential, but to see my little dog itching, tears me up, Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Bill

United States

#2 Jun 19, 2008
Hi The same biting bugis here in Michigan
To get them off me I use sulfur 10 perent in natural type handcreme
Bath for 30-60 minss , normal water temp ,with cole tar shampoo or sulfur creme & head and shoulder in my hair while I bathe or they WILL CRAWL INTO YOUR SCALP FOR REFUGE. in the bath I use oil , baby peanut,or cocnut oil. 1 cup oil to suffocate them, & 4 cups emsom salts
In the house I have saturated it with Dawn 1 cup & 4 cups of water , it stops them dead , I leave it on the ceilings & walls for a cople of days then rinse & wet vac it up..
Epsom salts 1 cup & 2 cups of water mixed & dumped over my head & let it dry to a powder onL
m me stops them also.. I spray the cielings & wall & ceiling with epsom , it dries to a crust with the bug in it. This also stops them dead
I would use the epsom onthe dog
Car gas it , vapors , Windex anything poision I change the 9X12 plastic drop clothe on the car seat weekly, & put a 14.00 seat cover over the plastic in the car.
I boil my clothes.
Sulfur can be bought for the dog under lym dulfur dip.
It is a bug you will kill it. Stay at it.
I have wood floors & I mop with borax.

God bless you
, Bill
please check back and tell us how you are doing.
Birdmites.org has a yahoo group too , maybe join it to read how they kill this bug.
ps excuse the spelling I am typing on a cell phone
Itty Bitty Critters

Deerfield Beach, FL

#3 Jun 19, 2008
Itching as a way of life wrote:
Help. I live in Sun City, AZ and there are lots of birds especially quail. I believe my house is infested with bird fleas and mites. They turn into little black specks when I apply grapefruit seed extract to an itch. My poor dog is suffering too. The vet didn't know what it is but recommended frontline. That worked for about a week. I wasn't able to get a dermatoligist appointment until the end of July. I wake up, put my clothes in the washer with vinegar and hot water, spray myself with grapefruit seed extract, vacuum the whole house, clean the floors with vinegar, soak in epson salts and finally put on clean clothes. Most of my clothes are now in vacuum sealed bags. I've bombed my home and my car all to no avail. In the evening, I put the clothes I've worn in the washer with vinegar and do another treatment on myself before getting into my pajama's. I spray and steam clean my mattress and pillows everyday. Today an exterminator came and sprayed the inside of the house with an organic product, and used something stronger on the yard. Yesterday, I found the website birdmites.org and after reading through it, I was ready to shoot myself. My suffering is inconsequential, but to see my little dog itching, tears me up, Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Your dog can be treated with ivermectin pour on or ivermectin injectible, orally. Also, from your vet, Revolution. There are other meds, too, for the dog, for mites, but I am not familiar with them. The best is ivermectin. It is for internal and external parasites. But, if you have bird mites, you will need to focus on your environment.
Welty

AOL

#4 Jun 21, 2008
Scottsdale, I thought I had bird mites, too. It was the only thing that made sense. No burrows, papular form of scabies, nests right outside window, touching trees, etc. Everything fit. TG that a couple of posters told me to treat myself for sarcoptic mites. And that I did. You are going to a lot of work, but if you don't treat yourself with prescription meds, and you have a sarcoptic mite, then you will never get better. I know that a lot of posters hate Permetherin, or say it doesn't work. But if it is left on for the max time, and during that time, you reapply to the itchiest areas, then it does work well. With a follow-up in 5-7 days. Yep. Gets the eggs. I like the five days. Less chance of a future burrower even if you have a bigger population of "junior" mites. Those anybody can get with practically anything, even scrubs. There are plenty of spot treats you can do after the burrowers are gone. Or you can use Sulfer faithfully from the get-go and keep at it head to toe for a month. Get Revolution for the pets. Okay. If you think you have bird mites, then get Fleabusters powder into your rugs asap.$39. online, or at your vet's. They now use the same thing for dustmites, it's sodim borate.(Hope you have rugs to put the powder in.) It will dry them up, for a year it will work if it doesn't get wet. Bird mites, unlike sarcoptic mites really do crawl a long way from the person during the day. They hide at night mostly in baseboards,headboards etc. When they cross your rugs at night the Fleabusters powder will attach to them with an electrostatic charge. Since you have pets, don't go with homemade Borax/Salt, you want something that will stay in the rugs and not get on their feet. "Broom in" the Fleabusters powder, and clean your hard floors with an orange cleaner like Citra-Solve. Wood just orange oils. Orange peel extract is bad for mites. Fleabusters powder is: salt + borax + an electrostatic charge to keep in your carpet for year, plus a neutral PH to keep mites from avoiding it. A three pound can is enough for almost any house plus some for the car. Keep your dogs out of your car as much as you can. And try treating yourself with something and see if you get better, because sarcoptic mites can affect both you and your dog, and it could be it. P.S. I was so, so, so positive that I had birdmites, myself. I thought the same thing as you. I read the Hemlock website. The birdmite site was scarier, but I am telling you, that at least 75% of those people don't have birdmites either. They say things like that when they bathe, their mites stop at the waterline. Well, that's a burrower. They have sarcoptic mites that they didn't treat. I almost became one of them. I lost a lot of time thinking I had to have bird mites. You still have a lot to do, but your dry climate is in your favor! But please treat yourself first. With real meds. And your dog.
janetinnyc

Mango, FL

#5 Jun 26, 2008
Welty,
You think you had the wild outdoor kind? And you got rid of them? Sounds like you used a different approach than Rita's, although both work. Would it be good to get rugs then (when I do settle down)? I hope I can find this post, so helpful. Wow.
I am still running, but now on so many meds, I also find it hard walking (especially in constant 100% humdity.) Hey, but I'm doing it, and so grateful for meds--it's getting more manageable and chronic-seeming again. Still having intestinal symptoms--but not followed up by same rate of activity, either on me, or in environment. Don't get me wrong, they're still around, just that it's actually better.(I think, I hope...)
Welty wrote:
Scottsdale, I thought I had bird mites, too. It was the only thing that made sense. No burrows, papular form of scabies, nests right outside window, touching trees, etc. Everything fit. TG that a couple of posters told me to treat myself for sarcoptic mites. And that I did. You are going to a lot of work, but if you don't treat yourself with prescription meds, and you have a sarcoptic mite, then you will never get better. I know that a lot of posters hate Permetherin, or say it doesn't work. But if it is left on for the max time, and during that time, you reapply to the itchiest areas, then it does work well. With a follow-up in 5-7 days. Yep. Gets the eggs. I like the five days. Less chance of a future burrower even if you have a bigger population of "junior" mites. Those anybody can get with practically anything, even scrubs. There are plenty of spot treats you can do after the burrowers are gone. Or you can use Sulfer faithfully from the get-go and keep at it head to toe for a month. Get Revolution for the pets. Okay. If you think you have bird mites, then get Fleabusters powder into your rugs asap.$39. online, or at your vet's. They now use the same thing for dustmites, it's sodim borate.(Hope you have rugs to put the powder in.) It will dry them up, for a year it will work if it doesn't get wet. Bird mites, unlike sarcoptic mites really do crawl a long way from the person during the day. They hide at night mostly in baseboards,headboards etc. When they cross your rugs at night the Fleabusters powder will attach to them with an electrostatic charge. Since you have pets, don't go with homemade Borax/Salt, you want something that will stay in the rugs and not get on their feet. "Broom in" the Fleabusters powder, and clean your hard floors with an orange cleaner like Citra-Solve. Wood just orange oils. Orange peel extract is bad for mites. Fleabusters powder is: salt + borax + an electrostatic charge to keep in your carpet for year, plus a neutral PH to keep mites from avoiding it. A three pound can is enough for almost any house plus some for the car. Keep your dogs out of your car as much as you can. And try treating yourself with something and see if you get better, because sarcoptic mites can affect both you and your dog, and it could be it. P.S. I was so, so, so positive that I had birdmites, myself. I thought the same thing as you. I read the Hemlock website. The birdmite site was scarier, but I am telling you, that at least 75% of those people don't have birdmites either. They say things like that when they bathe, their mites stop at the waterline. Well, that's a burrower. They have sarcoptic mites that they didn't treat. I almost became one of them. I lost a lot of time thinking I had to have bird mites. You still have a lot to do, but your dry climate is in your favor! But please treat yourself first. With real meds. And your dog.
janetinnyc

Mango, FL

#6 Jun 26, 2008
Mite Killer used to get right out front and just tout ivermectin to anyone who would listen. I have been taking not only iver, but also mebendazole (broad spectrum), big doses of albendazole, as well as permethrin (occasionally) and sulfur and bb (occasionally).
Also, derm recently perscribed, in addition to killers, ORAP for symptoms. It's for Tourette's syndrome and acts by quieting us all down (I guess), but it sure makes me tired. I'm glad that I have to get up and out if I want to eat--really I am.
Back to infectious disease doctor tomorrow, Dr. Uppal.
Since I got diagnosis with scrapings (positive after about 20 doses of iver), doctors have been willing to prescribe iver and others, and perm also.
Afraican pharmacist gave me prognosis for "the superbug": she said it takes 3 to 6 months of aggressive treatment with iver to get rid of them.
Of course, this is not instead of treatment the environment, but in addition.
Obviously, I am only speaking for myself here. I have been treating aggressively since end of Feb. Jump in improvement since I added mebendazole and now albendazole to the mix.
The inf disease doc's name is Dr. Uppal and the derm's name is Dr. Boote for anyone in the St. Pete area
Sam

United States

#7 Jun 27, 2008
janet or anyone, the iver worked best for me first thing in the morning with a full bottle of water, don't eat anything or drink anything for at least 2 or 3 hours. It didn't work as well if I took it at night, even in higher dosages. If you can still tolerate topicals it's best to have one on when you take the iver. I also didn't drink coffee or shower for 2 days after taking the iver.

Morning is the only time your stomach is empty enough to not get the iver mixed up with food, and takes the medicine right to your bloodstream, and to your skin, is the only thing I figured from that. I could be wrong but that's what worked for me.
Mite Killer

Del Mar, CA

#8 Jun 27, 2008
Stromectol's labeled instructions state to take it on empty stomach with water. However, here are study findings of a 2.5 fold increase in bio-availability when Ivermectin is taken with a high fat meal. Ivermectin is binds to fat. Anyway, we know it's safe to take in higher doses. The poster named Progress was one who took oral Ivermectin cattle drench with fatty meats. And he consumed grapefruit juice which may increase the effectiveness of ivermectin. I have read that some medications that are used to treat intestinal worms, have decreased effectiveness with grapefruit juice. Grapefruit juice has some breakdown effect on fats, not sure how. anyway....

If the ivermectin is used topically or injected it would not matter what was consumed when the dose was administered.

here are the study results for stromectol taken orally.

"A multiple-dose (30 to 120 mg [333 to 2000 mcg/kg]) clinical safety study has been conducted to assess the safety and pharmacokinetic properties of ivermectin in healthy volunteers. Subjects received oral doses of 30 to 120 mg (333 to 2000 mcg/kg) ivermectin in a fasted state or 30 mg (333 to 600 mcg/kg) ivermectin following a standard high-fat (48.6 g of fat) meal. Administration of 30 mg ivermectin following a high-fat meal resulted in an approximate 2.5-fold increase in bioavailability relative to administration of 30 mg ivermectin in the fasted state. However, there were no indications of central nervous system toxicity associated with either regimen."
Itching as a way of life

Sun City, AZ

#9 Jun 30, 2008
Welty and Bill, thanks for replying to my post. I've finally been able to secure an earlier appointment with a dermatologist tommorrow. I've just about given up hope. I tried bombing my house and my car again. Found lots of little black specks everywhere afterwards, but they were back to biting me pretty quickly. I know that grapefruit seed extract when applied to a bite usually reveals a black little speck. It almost looks like pepper. I'm going to take my dog to a new vet since the last one told me it was all in my head. Is it in my dog's head too? I've almost ceased living because of these bugs. My father commited suicide last Sunday(he was dying of asbestos caused cancer) and two days later my mother attempted suicide. Now she's in the looney bin. All I do is clean my house, do laundry and do treatments on myself. I was taking care of my father and handicapped mentally ill mother for the last several months.Át the same time, I was trying to figure out what was biting me. I thought I had picked up body lice or head lice at my gym. The over the counter medication brought no relief. Anyway, now I'm actually hoping that despite all the care I took in not passing this plague onto my mother or father, that my mother might have been infected and the hospital where she has been committed will figure out what it is. I know that sounds horrible, but I'm getting desperate.
Welty

AOL

#10 Jun 30, 2008
Hi Itching. If you passed this on, you did it out of love and you won't get any bad Kharma from it. I know you will get cured. So sorry about your Father, but he is in a good place, I know. And sorry about your Mother's problems, but she might be okay soon. I also saw tons and tons of tiny dark specks. But under microscope 30X, these all turned out to be either what I believe to be mite wastes, or the flesh they burrow through on your epidermis that they have to get through to get to the moist, delicious center of your skin. I saw only one mite during the worst of this, and he was crawling, and was as white as snow. I might have seen more mites if I'd been looking for white mites, but I was looking for bird mites and only examined the dark spots on my sticky lint roller which was off white. My method was to roll the roller over everything, to take samples off everything environmentally, where I thought there could be mites, with a sticky lint roller and then I'd view it. ( A pocket scope you use like a veiwer, no slide or anything neccessary. First I'd stick the sticky end in a clear sandwich bag, like a sleeve, and sweep a 30X pocket scope over the sleeve, which was transluscent. The sandwich bag acted as a slide cover and with the 30X pocket scope, I'd just slide along and I could examine one pretty fast. The 30X is not too strong, so it is actually a better viewer for this I think, but 60X is possibly okay. Anyway, the one mite I saw was crawling. These pocket scopes are reasonably cheap, about l5-20 dollars. I think you might need to ID what you have. Since my pet had had crusts so long, the Revolution did not work for her. But oral Capstar is working and for the first time, I have hope that I won't have to give her up. I am giving Capstar to her every few days and it is a night and day difference. A blessing. In her case, she'd had mites too long without me knowing it, (Cats hide canine mites, pretty well without losing a lot of hair, but they do get crusts and big lymph nodes) and Revolution works fine for a new case. Anyway, Capstar is awesome. It is $4 a pill, but I can give them at home, and I think six pills will do it. It kills everything with an exoskeleton, (Adults only) but like Iver, only kills adults, so it needs to be administered several times, but I thank God my pet is really getting relief. (The Revolution seemed to concentrate her mites in her ears and feet, and they thrived there (I used Revolution for seven months, faithfully first 2X a month and then every 21 days). Capstar helped her almost within hours and it is considered ultra safe. I hope you find out soon what you have, but I am cured first, my pet was still horrible. Now I think I can breathe a little after seven months. Don't give up. You will get through this, no matter what you think now. Bless you and am so sorry for your other problems on top of this.
Itching as a way of life

Sun City, AZ

#11 Jul 1, 2008
The dermatologist told me that I didn't have anything. Gave me a spray for the itching that could if used excessively cause adrenal damage. Needless to say, I'm not going to use it. I feel things crawling on me and my dog is still itching. I'm going to make an appointment with a new vet this week. I saw a faith healer today. I did'n't tell him about the bugs. I do a full treatment on myself before I leave my house, but I'm not going to stop living. He hugged me after the session. I pray I didn't transmit them. Maybe, it is all in my head.
Welty

AOL

#12 Jul 2, 2008
I don't think it's in your head. The kind of itching I think you're feeling is something. Did the dermatologist do a scaping? Maybe since you mentioned black specs and grape seed oil he thought it sounded a little strange, but the black specs are not sarcoptic mites, but I think wastes. You need to just say that you are itching and show them your rashes or papules. That is how they can tell. I know a lot of posters had trouble getting a Doc to believe them. I had a hard time getting a vet to prescribe a good med plan even though they did believe me. Hey Itching, you could possibly have folliculitus. It's a possiblity. The main thing is that it's quite often a complication of scabies, and the scabies has to get treated. Start with sulfer 10% that you make yourself, get the recipe off this website. Don't use MSM sulfer, it's useless. Get Sublimed sulfer. Gardening stores carry it, get organic, or online, get Humco if available. Don't heat the sulfer, just add it to Vasoline, or coconut oil and mix, mix, mix. Sulfer works on Folliculitus and Scabies, a two for one. Try Capstar on your Dog every five days for 30 days. It's easy on pets and kills mites. Good luck.
Itching as a way of life

Sun City, AZ

#13 Jul 11, 2008
Well, I saw a new vet today, and she gave me revolution for my dog. Where do I get medication to treat myself? I want to treat myself for the dog mites and see if there is any improvement.
Welty

AOL

#14 Jul 12, 2008
Actually, a low income clinic is often a good place because they see more scabies, but the worst kind are the kind that have no typical rash, like canine, you just get papules, no webs of hands, etc, no burrows, just spots that look like anything from a misquito bite to quite a bit smaller. Get Permethrin. Tell the Doc that you were around somebody with scabies or babysat for a kid with scabies and then they are more likely to believe you. Only vets or expensive dermatologists know about dog mites infecting humans. Get a prescription for generic Permethrin, and ask for two tubes or ask for one refill if needed. Insist. Don't take no for an answer, you don't want to have to go back. If what you have is scabies, canine included, this works very well if you leave it on, don't apply deoderant, and reapply tiny dabs in your itchiest little spots, and leave on for the max, not the minimum time. These things are getting so resistant to perm, it's best to leave it on the longest possible time, but it does work. But you need to do it again in about five days and launder everything. If you don't notice a huge improvement in your itching, then you don't have mites. But even with improvement, and no matter what you read on that Perm label, one treatment is not usually curative. It's usually not curative. Two treatments are usually curative 5-7 days apart. Oh, yes, if your scalp is involved,(itching as much as if you think you have lice) do that even if the Doc tells you it's not neccessary. Ask anyone here. So many of us made that mistake. That was almost the only mistake I didn't make, my scalp itched so bad that I instintively did my scalp, and it felt better quickly. Unfortunately the ten day "honeymoon" period after the perm treatment makes you think you are cured, so do that extra treatment, if you notice a vast improvement with the first treatment. That's how you know it's mites. Oh, wash your clothes on hot, your bedding on hot with a cup of Borax added to each load, and don't believe these mites only live two days. Canine mites live nine days to l2 days average, and it's harder. Don't rewear clothes or bedding unless you've ironed them or washed them. Good luck. Jump on this right away. It will make a huge difference. Don't wait.
Welty

AOL

#15 Jul 12, 2008
P.S. Send for Humco sulfer powder online and make some sulfer salve with vasoline, coco butter or lotion. Just mix, don't heat. You'll want that on hand after you get rid of the burrowed adults, to keep any new spots from getting started again, and it helps with infection in the bites, too. If you have a swallows's nest attached to an air conditioner, etc. then maybe it's bird mites. Revolution will kill every one of them that bites your dog, as those kind are blood feeders. If you did have a nest, knock it down with something that you don't bring inside your house. I doubt you have bird mites. But it's possible.
Welty

AOL

#16 Jul 12, 2008
Just don't waste valuable time on this rare possibility, even if you have many nests and trees touching your house as I did. It's really, really rare.
janetinnyc

United States

#17 Jul 13, 2008
Welty, I am looking at apartments this afternoon. One may be perfect (ie, washer and dryer in apt), close to supermarket, etc) but may have carpet. I know Sam put Borax down on carpet and vacuumed. I could get power vacuum. Is that a possibility? Or is it an absolute dealbreaker?
Welty wrote:
Actually, a low income clinic is often a good place because they see more scabies, but the worst kind are the kind that have no typical rash, like canine, you just get papules, no webs of hands, etc, no burrows, just spots that look like anything from a misquito bite to quite a bit smaller. Get Permethrin. Tell the Doc that you were around somebody with scabies or babysat for a kid with scabies and then they are more likely to believe you. Only vets or expensive dermatologists know about dog mites infecting humans. Get a prescription for generic Permethrin, and ask for two tubes or ask for one refill if needed. Insist. Don't take no for an answer, you don't want to have to go back. If what you have is scabies, canine included, this works very well if you leave it on, don't apply deoderant, and reapply tiny dabs in your itchiest little spots, and leave on for the max, not the minimum time. These things are getting so resistant to perm, it's best to leave it on the longest possible time, but it does work. But you need to do it again in about five days and launder everything. If you don't notice a huge improvement in your itching, then you don't have mites. But even with improvement, and no matter what you read on that Perm label, one treatment is not usually curative. It's usually not curative. Two treatments are usually curative 5-7 days apart. Oh, yes, if your scalp is involved,(itching as much as if you think you have lice) do that even if the Doc tells you it's not neccessary. Ask anyone here. So many of us made that mistake. That was almost the only mistake I didn't make, my scalp itched so bad that I instintively did my scalp, and it felt better quickly. Unfortunately the ten day "honeymoon" period after the perm treatment makes you think you are cured, so do that extra treatment, if you notice a vast improvement with the first treatment. That's how you know it's mites. Oh, wash your clothes on hot, your bedding on hot with a cup of Borax added to each load, and don't believe these mites only live two days. Canine mites live nine days to l2 days average, and it's harder. Don't rewear clothes or bedding unless you've ironed them or washed them. Good luck. Jump on this right away. It will make a huge difference. Don't wait.
janetinnyc

United States

#18 Jul 13, 2008
Bless you and thanks for posting. You have handled so much, you can beat this, too. Others on this site have. It's a matter of meds. You most likely need permethrin AND for sure ivermectin. At least you can ask the derm, tell him it is #1 CDC treatment. But you usually need more doses than the derms are willing to give. IT is safe medicine--they just don't understand it. Your dogs and cats can get it a lot easier. They should. All pets should be treated as aggressively as possible, along with us. As aggressively as possible. A cured poster on this site once said she never regretted a single dose of ivermectin. Most of us undertreat to begin with, and this can contribute to resistance.
Used to be MagicPharma shipped decent ivermectin. It took hiatus, maybe in response to our own government's crackdown on internet pharmacies shipping unprescribed drugs.
The saddest part of this is that ivermectin is very safe as drugs go, very safe. I take it every 3 days in addition to albendazole and some mebendazole for scabies. I am presently taking a week's worth of praziquantel for a tapeworm recently discovered. I have an underlying, hospital-acquired infection that has supplied all these parasites with a strong welcome. But if you get ivermectin in sufficient doses (I can't say for you what that would be), you will get well, and if you follow everyone's directions on this site for cleaning your environment. Welty is great for that.
Bless you, keep going, there's real help here.
Itching as a way of life wrote:
Welty and Bill, thanks for replying to my post. I've finally been able to secure an earlier appointment with a dermatologist tommorrow. I've just about given up hope. I tried bombing my house and my car again. Found lots of little black specks everywhere afterwards, but they were back to biting me pretty quickly. I know that grapefruit seed extract when applied to a bite usually reveals a black little speck. It almost looks like pepper. I'm going to take my dog to a new vet since the last one told me it was all in my head. Is it in my dog's head too? I've almost ceased living because of these bugs. My father commited suicide last Sunday(he was dying of asbestos caused cancer) and two days later my mother attempted suicide. Now she's in the looney bin. All I do is clean my house, do laundry and do treatments on myself. I was taking care of my father and handicapped mentally ill mother for the last several months.Át the same time, I was trying to figure out what was biting me. I thought I had picked up body lice or head lice at my gym. The over the counter medication brought no relief. Anyway, now I'm actually hoping that despite all the care I took in not passing this plague onto my mother or father, that my mother might have been infected and the hospital where she has been committed will figure out what it is. I know that sounds horrible, but I'm getting desperate.
Jilly

Strathpine, Australia

#19 Jul 14, 2008
janetinnyc wrote:
Bless you and thanks for posting. You have handled so much, you can beat this, too. Others on this site have. It's a matter of meds. You most likely need permethrin AND for sure ivermectin. At least you can ask the derm, tell him it is #1 CDC treatment. But you usually need more doses than the derms are willing to give. IT is safe medicine--they just don't understand it. Your dogs and cats can get it a lot easier. They should. All pets should be treated as aggressively as possible, along with us. As aggressively as possible. A cured poster on this site once said she never regretted a single dose of ivermectin. Most of us undertreat to begin with, and this can contribute to resistance.
Used to be MagicPharma shipped decent ivermectin. It took hiatus, maybe in response to our own government's crackdown on internet pharmacies shipping unprescribed drugs.
The saddest part of this is that ivermectin is very safe as drugs go, very safe. I take it every 3 days in addition to albendazole and some mebendazole for scabies. I am presently taking a week's worth of praziquantel for a tapeworm recently discovered. I have an underlying, hospital-acquired infection that has supplied all these parasites with a strong welcome. But if you get ivermectin in sufficient doses (I can't say for you what that would be), you will get well, and if you follow everyone's directions on this site for cleaning your environment. Welty is great for that.
Bless you, keep going, there's real help here. <quoted text>
to welty & Janet and others suffering with these damn things. My last treatment of permithrin was May 8th and had one or 2 spot treatments but still suffer with post scabies or reaction from overtreating with permithrin and at times i think i got them back but then it goes away quickly for a while getting bigger gaps between bouts now and skin is starting to look better. I feel i had & still have fungal infection and treating that still with anti fungal cream used one tube already will do another and then try something else if it hasnt gone then. Just thought i let you know that the post scabies are still happening after nearly 10.5 weeks but nothing like it was when treating. I also use a product called Oilatum Plus which hydrates your skin as well as a anti bacterial which has stopped any infection from the excema and scratching. Still piling on the moisturizer as the previous excessive showering dries out the skin so much. I had it all head lice also they seem to come hand in hand. All the best to you guys.
Jilly

Strathpine, Australia

#20 Jul 14, 2008
I also had hair problems on my legs the hairs didnt seen to grow and i didnt have to shave much that was strange but they have all grown back now shaving regularly again now so that may be a sign of folliculitus bye again

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