needhelp

Surrey, Canada

#108 Jan 19, 2011
thanx so much. is it okay to use it over advantix?
Q-tip

Hollywood, FL

#109 Jan 20, 2011
needhelp wrote:
i have been doing very well with advantix, but this evening i have developed a very itchy rash (tiny little bumps in huge patches) on the underside of both my thighs. could it be that i am reacting to advantix, or is this part of scabies? it is just lots of tiny little bumps that i could barely see even with a magnifying mirror, but that i could feel with my fingers.
my skin is feeling so unbearably dry. i have been using full strength advantix every 3 to 4 days for the past week, and the last time (tuesday) i used it mixed with baby oil 50:50.
can i use anything to sotthe my skin between applications? i am trying to avoid showering between applications, but if i could use something to soothe my skin, i think it would help with a lot of the itch. any ideas please? angel? rk in the house? anyone?
the permethrin strength in these advantix pipettes is extremely high. this could be causing your rash. the percentage of permethrin is like 45% or higher in these pipettes.

the percentage of the permethrin that the docs give us is only 5% and even this, sometimes causes rashes on sensitive skin.

You can try any good hydrating lotion and also benadryl comes in a liquid form that you can put on your rash, to keep it from itching so badly.

I truly believe that ivermectin is the way to go with these mites. I don't think the advantix/imidracloprid is the way to go with scabies mites.

Since: Nov 10

Dalian, China

#110 Jan 20, 2011
Need help,

About the itchy rash, it is possible that it is part of the scabies (live mites or dead mite or the leftovers), because scabies present wide range symptoms, also maybe some kind of infection (germ or fungus) because of the bite wounds, which is the by-product of scabies and happens sometimes, also maybe it is the allergy reaction to the medicine, the underside of the thigh is somewhere the skin is soft and sensitive. Anyway, if the overall symptoms have been improved greatly, this means the treatment works well for you, although you can also get some new symptoms during the treatment period, it is normal. Compared with the scabies, the infection and alergic reaction is not a big deal, if it is not severe and bearable for you.

About the baby oil, baby oil is mineral oil or liquid petroleum based, which has a large molecule in size, so it is poor in penetration. This is why it is used for baby oil, because the main purpose of the baby oil is for protection, not absorption. So I think baby oil is not a good option as the solvent for diluting the Advantix for scabies treatment, it may prevent the penetration of the medicine. Vegetable oil is better, the molecule is small in size which is good at penetration. Also, RX has a medical article which says vegetabel oil help the Advantix being kept on the skin level for more time.

About how to deal with the dry skin, I have 2 advices:

1. Using the the vegetable oil diluted Advantix instead of the full strength. The good vegetarian oil is good at moisturizing and soothing the skin, it can act as skin sebum, also, the molecule of the vegetable oil is small and good at penetration. So it is a good option for being the solvent for Advantix at the points for boh better moisturizing the skin and better penetration. The baby oil moisturzing the skin in the way that preventing water losing, it does not moist the skin by it self. I recommend the sweet almond oil, which is good for dry skin, olive oil is OK. There may be other good oil I don't know.

2. Wearing the medicine for limited time length (24 hours or other at you own discretion ) instead of wearing it all the time. At the time off, doing the skin care thing for moisturizing and soothing like aqueous cream or other body lotion.

It is sure that the full strength Advantix is more effective than the diluted, also wearing it all the time is more effective than limited time length. But the treatment regime you have done is rather intensive, so I think it is OK to just decrease the intensity of the treatment to some extent to relieve the dry skin for some time, then consider about if you will need to adjust the intensity again according to the progress and situation of the dry skin status and Scabies status.
needhelp

Surrey, Canada

#111 Jan 20, 2011
thank you.
Q-tip

Hollywood, FL

#112 Jan 20, 2011
needhelp wrote:
thank you.
some other oils that people have used on this forum are:

coconut oil
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/birdmite...

jojoba oil
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jojoba_oil

castor oil
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castor_oil
Canuckette

Binbrook, Canada

#113 Jan 20, 2011
needhelp wrote:
i have been doing very well with advantix, but this evening i have developed a very itchy rash (tiny little bumps in huge patches) on the underside of both my thighs. could it be that i am reacting to advantix, or is this part of scabies? it is just lots of tiny little bumps that i could barely see even with a magnifying mirror, but that i could feel with my fingers.
my skin is feeling so unbearably dry. i have been using full strength advantix every 3 to 4 days for the past week, and the last time (tuesday) i used it mixed with baby oil 50:50.
can i use anything to sotthe my skin between applications? i am trying to avoid showering between applications, but if i could use something to soothe my skin, i think it would help with a lot of the itch. any ideas please? angel? rk in the house? anyone?
Hi needhelp,
If you have new bites on the undersides of your thighs, you are sitting on chair or seat or carseat that is still infested. So maybe you think of where you sat, and use a vacuum and flea spray with insect growth regulator. I only sit on garbage bags on one or two chairs and have garbage bags on my car seat. I change the garbage bags every few days.
umothra

Baltimore, MD

#114 Jan 20, 2011
TSD wrote:
I don't want to be prematurely optimistic, but WOW! I might have beat these little bastards.
My story is that I have harbored a couple of nodules which would get itchy for years, perhaps decades. I had no idea it was mites. I have been to dermatologists over the years, and all they gave me was steroids/antibiotics which relieved itching but never cured anything.
My symptoms did not present as typical scabies. My housmate (not a sexual relationship) came down with scabies. I treated my body with Perm, and all the itchy nodes acted up. Then I tried Iver, and one of them opened up into a large sore, oozed about a week, and then started to heal. The others shrank quickly. But I found that after three days, as the serum level dropped, the spots would start growing and itching again. As they are years old, I think the mite population was huge, though generally confined to these nodes. In addition, small burrows opened up and healed at various places.
I have been battling this for months. I tried Iver every other day for a couple of weeks. It came close, but did not wipe it out.
I tried Iver at higher doses. I had good results, but not full success using deodorant topically. I have been bathing daily with 10% sulfer soap daily, soaking in Arm and Hammer, etc... this all reduced itchiness but no cure.
I read that in Europe, they have switched from Perm to Malathion. That was effective at reducing the nodes, but not a complete remission, and it seemed highly toxic.
I was on a business trip and sleep deprived. Then I had to handle an family emergency. I went with little sleep for a week. All hell broke loose. Suddenly I had hundreds, or thousands of bites near the major node sites. I think the sites were shedding mites, and my immune system was compromised from fatigue.
I dosed up on Iver at .37 mcg/kg and then took 12 mcg/kg for three days to keep the blood serum level up. Then I applied veterinary Imidacloprid topically. DAMN! The area around the most stubborn node turned black and blue for a several inch radius. Other sites reacted strongly, and in a large radius around the sites. Right now, for the first time, I have no pain or itching, and all the sites appear to be healing. I have large bruised areas where the worst infestations were. I think the mite count under the skin was huge. There is still just a bit of pain and thickened skin in the very center of the worst site. Since Imidacloprid is systemic when absorbed through the skin, as wall as a contact killer, and I am nowhere near dangerous dose levels, I will probably apply some just to this spot for good measure.
If you try Imid - be careful. It is very persistent. You should wait a month between doses. I see this as a good thing to help prevent recurrence of this infection.
I'll keep the list posted as to my progress with this. I am optimistic for the first time. I hope my optimism is well founded. My dermatologist has been useless.
you mentioned that you were bathing with sulfur soap, I dont think bathing with sulfur soap is enough, it is very effective to use sulfur ointment, thats what I have been doing and it seems to work great.
needhelp

Surrey, Canada

#115 Jan 20, 2011
canuckette, i too use only 2 chairs in the house, cover them with industrial strength plastic and spray them every night. but like you said, perhaps there were some mites left. actually that rash disappeared, but this eveing i noticed 3 burrows on my arm! how is that possible, with all the advantix i am using? i have had the stuff on me for 10 days straight. new applications every 3 days. any advice?

Since: Nov 10

Dalian, China

#116 Jan 21, 2011
needhelp wrote:
canuckette, i too use only 2 chairs in the house, cover them with industrial strength plastic and spray them every night. but like you said, perhaps there were some mites left. actually that rash disappeared, but this eveing i noticed 3 burrows on my arm! how is that possible, with all the advantix i am using? i have had the stuff on me for 10 days straight. new applications every 3 days. any advice?
The burrows on the arm you saw is possile: it is possible that the burrows were made before the treatment, it was invisible before because they were in the deeper layer of the skin, now with the growth of the skin, the burrows become shallower , so it is visible for you, Also it is possible that these burrows are newly made, this means you still have live mites on you. But it seems the treatment works well for you, I heard from RK that your symptoms have improved greatly, this means a lot of mites have died, so dont worry about that you still have some live mites left, it is normal for just doing the treatment for 10 days, keep the treatment, it is sure all mite will die off in the end.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#117 Jan 21, 2011
Needhelp,

So you are saying burrows ( brown colored) or are you referring to pustules ( small like pimples ) or nodules ( bigger bites, some have been around for a awhile without going away)?

Are did you mean pustules like red pimples that suddenly popped up?

RK
needhelp

Surrey, Canada

#118 Jan 21, 2011
i mean like new bites with squigly red lines around them. plus last night i had a full blown attack. all over. i just could not sleep. i am trying a new doctor today. wish me luck.
Q-tip

Hollywood, FL

#119 Jan 21, 2011
needhelp wrote:
i mean like new bites with squigly red lines around them. plus last night i had a full blown attack. all over. i just could not sleep. i am trying a new doctor today. wish me luck.
Hi Needhelp:

This is the link to the I am Cured Thread. When you have a chance, read pages 27-38. There is alot of good information on these pages on what people did to cure themselves. I hope this helps you.
Q-tip

Hollywood, FL

#120 Jan 21, 2011
needhelp

Surrey, Canada

#121 Jan 22, 2011
thank you so much. i went to another doctor yesterday, who told me i was experiencing a severe allergic reaction to all the meds i was using. she told me to stop everything. that i was in post scabies (hopefully), and that i had developed contact dermatitis as a result of all the chemicals. meds, bleach, pesticides, etc.(canuckette, you were right. i was getting the rash from my chair. but not because it was infected, but because i used to spray it with pesticides and bleach all the time. my body just reacted very violently to all that stuff.)
i am feeling much better this morning. most of the marks have cleared up, so i guess they were from the allergy. the doc is going to monitor me during this month, and is willing to prescribe ivermectin, etc. should i need it.
everybody, i cannot begin to tell you hpow wonderful and supportive everybody here has been. but please, do check with a different doctor if yours is not able to give you the results you should get. i pray we all beat this horrible scabies thing.
Q-tip

Hollywood, FL

#122 Jan 22, 2011
needhelp wrote:
thank you so much. i went to another doctor yesterday, who told me i was experiencing a severe allergic reaction to all the meds i was using. she told me to stop everything. that i was in post scabies (hopefully), and that i had developed contact dermatitis as a result of all the chemicals. meds, bleach, pesticides, etc.(canuckette, you were right. i was getting the rash from my chair. but not because it was infected, but because i used to spray it with pesticides and bleach all the time. my body just reacted very violently to all that stuff.)
i am feeling much better this morning. most of the marks have cleared up, so i guess they were from the allergy. the doc is going to monitor me during this month, and is willing to prescribe ivermectin, etc. should i need it.
everybody, i cannot begin to tell you hpow wonderful and supportive everybody here has been. but please, do check with a different doctor if yours is not able to give you the results you should get. i pray we all beat this horrible scabies thing.
glad you went to the doctor and had this looked at. and that you are getting the help you need with this. I hope you are in post scabies!!
Canuckette

Binbrook, Canada

#123 Jan 22, 2011
needhelp wrote:
thank you so much. i went to another doctor yesterday, who told me i was experiencing a severe allergic reaction to all the meds i was using. she told me to stop everything. that i was in post scabies (hopefully), and that i had developed contact dermatitis as a result of all the chemicals. meds, bleach, pesticides, etc.(canuckette, you were right. i was getting the rash from my chair. but not because it was infected, but because i used to spray it with pesticides and bleach all the time. my body just reacted very violently to all that stuff.)
i am feeling much better this morning. most of the marks have cleared up, so i guess they were from the allergy. the doc is going to monitor me during this month, and is willing to prescribe ivermectin, etc. should i need it.
everybody, i cannot begin to tell you hpow wonderful and supportive everybody here has been. but please, do check with a different doctor if yours is not able to give you the results you should get. i pray we all beat this horrible scabies thing.
That is wonderful news!!! Keep us posted to know how you are doing. Now you'll have to tell us how you did it.
needhelp

Surrey, Canada

#124 Jan 22, 2011
thanks all. i will keep you posted. good luck to everybody.
umothra

Baltimore, MD

#125 Jan 23, 2011
I have tried almost everything like DMSO, coconut oil, perm, borax, baking soda, enzymes, different kinds of oils, salt, super washing soda, the list goes on and on. In all my time fighting scabies there is one thing that does work and that is sulfur ointment, you can make your own very cheaply. I had rashes from scabies on my legs, calfs and thighs, on my chest and back, and on my arms, it was not good and I was getting worried, when I first tried sulfur ointment it just blew those scabies away. It is by far the most effective way of killing scabies. It was instant relief, no more itching, no more rash. I still have the little buggers, but with time and patience I will prevail. With sulfur, and I think that sulfur is the only thing that really works, you should have a standard operating procedure and than follow the sop that you have set up for yourself. But please look into sulfur. If you buy 4 pounds of food grade sulfur the cost less than 10 dollars. That will make 40 pounds of 10% ointment. Of-course there will be a cost for the ointment, but that cost can be cheap also. Please look into using the very kind and gentle sulfur, and get away from all the harsh chemicals and poisons, they are not necessary. Good luck to all.
Canuckette

Binbrook, Canada

#126 Jan 23, 2011
umothra wrote:
I have tried almost everything like DMSO, coconut oil, perm, borax, baking soda, enzymes, different kinds of oils, salt, super washing soda, the list goes on and on. In all my time fighting scabies there is one thing that does work and that is sulfur ointment, you can make your own very cheaply. I had rashes from scabies on my legs, calfs and thighs, on my chest and back, and on my arms, it was not good and I was getting worried, when I first tried sulfur ointment it just blew those scabies away. It is by far the most effective way of killing scabies. It was instant relief, no more itching, no more rash. I still have the little buggers, but with time and patience I will prevail. With sulfur, and I think that sulfur is the only thing that really works, you should have a standard operating procedure and than follow the sop that you have set up for yourself. But please look into sulfur. If you buy 4 pounds of food grade sulfur the cost less than 10 dollars. That will make 40 pounds of 10% ointment. Of-course there will be a cost for the ointment, but that cost can be cheap also. Please look into using the very kind and gentle sulfur, and get away from all the harsh chemicals and poisons, they are not necessary. Good luck to all.
Hi umothra,
Lately I've been using Nustock, 73% sulfur with 25% mineral oil and 2% pine oil. What kind of ointment do you use? I have Garden Sulfur - a 90+% sulfur powder that is sold in garden centres as a miticide for roses.(even the roses are tormented). Also where do you get food-grade sulfur? The good thing about the Nustock is that it is thick and sticky enough to stay on the skin so the ointment would do the same thing. Thanks for the help.
seb

Thomasville, NC

#129 Jan 25, 2011
Does the article about Brittish children say how often they applied imidacloprid and fipronil? Once a week, once a day? Thank you for your help.

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